What Hague Tribunal said about "exonerating Milosevic"

"The Trial Chamber of the Karadzic case found, at paragraph 3460, page 1303, of the Trial Judgement, that 'there was no sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milosevic agreed with the common plan'. The Trial Chamber found earlier in the same paragraph that 'Milosevic provided assistance in the form of personnel, provisions and arms to Bosnian Serbs during the conflict'."

Right, which is not a criminal act. I hope all those who murdered civilians are facing justice (even though we know that those who murdered Serbian civilians are not). But the cause for Serbs in Bosnia to fight against the creation of an Islamic State, which was Alija Izetbegovic's intention, was completely justified. The Serbs west of the Drina river remember very well the Croatian Nazi state NDH and what happened to them when they didn't have institutions to protect themselves from becoming persecuted minorities.

And so Serbs formed the Serb Republic (RS) to protect their survival. They ensured their existence from Jihadi lunatics https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OtfDi6nb4H8/hqdefault.jpg and while I would have never voted for Milosevic, he did nothing wrong by helping make that happen.

Now that the trials are over let the Hague try Germany and the Vatican for initiating recognition of Croatia and Slovenia which led to the outbreak of civil war.

Were it not for the self-serving recognitions (80 years in the making), hostilities would not have begun, and a peaceful dissolution could have been brokered.

Let us then try those who criminally provided arms to the combatants against UN Resolutions. And who brought and armed foreign fighters (also against UN Resolutions).

"insufficient evidence provided" means "insufficient evidence provided".
Nobody was asked to provide proof of Milosevic guilt or innocence during Karadzic's trial.

I am sometimes glad that these articles some up, it becomes quite clear who has a brain and who does not.
During Karadzic's trial there was also insufficient evidence provided that you have a brain, so you would agree that you are brainless?

Anyway, I am also glad that you have such a high opinion of the ICTY. I had always thought that you disagreed with the court
(Dwight, 15 August 2016 11:59)

Only when using an Albo legal text book mate. I still have little regard for the ICTY. Lad, you don't know what you are talking about so let it go.

Although it happens on rare occasions it is possible to exonerate an another individual at a different trail. Yes its rare but it happens.

Go to your local police station and ask them if they would arrest someone with insufficient evidence.I suggest that you grow a brain and stop giving your amateurish versions of being a trial lawyer.

Milosevic screwed up big time and was no hero.
Yet he searched for peace far more than either tudjman or izerbegovic.

(Dwight, 15 August 2016 13:13)

Let’s say you have been convicted for crime X and are in prison. During another person’s trial it comes out that the authorities really had no evidence to implicate you so according to your logic you should continue in prison and finish your sentence despite this evidence.
The trials of Milosevic and Karadizic are very similar because the charges would be nearly identical. So the same ground would be covered.
A trial judge in any normal country that would make such a statement where there is no evidence Milosevic agreed to a common plan then a page or two later claim that he provided arms etc would be removed from the bench for incompetence. This is mistrial heaven given on a silver platter to the defence. Its called kukuland stuff.
This is a fine example of the ICTY not shooting itself in the foot but completely blowing the leg off.

(Dwight, 15 August 2016 10:39)

Look you have no idea what you are talking about. The only time you would have been in a courtroom is when you cleaning it or were wearing the colour orange with handcuffs and shackles.
Of course you can be exonerated at another trial. Its not that common but it does happen.
Insufficient evidence means there is no PROOF. Where do you people live? Under a rock?

@BA
The question here is not what each group does in trying to "exonerate" or justify its own actors but rather the question is about how Western media has had this fanatical, anti-Serbian, propaganda machine painting all others in the Balkans as “good” and Serbs as “bad” for 25 years. We now see with this paragraph buried in the Karadzic verdict that Milosevic (the president of Serbia and Yugoslavia; btw no other head of state of any former yugo republic was indicted like he was so your comparison to them makes no sense) could not be convicted of the harshest accusation which was that he conspired to commit genocide and to ethnically cleanse Bosnia of its non-Serb residents. Yes he helped the Serbs of Bosnia with money and arms but so did the Islamic world by helping the Bosnian Muslims and so did Germany, Hungary, Vatican etc. by helping the Croats with arms and money. Turns out Milosevic was right all along when he said to the West; “We are not angels but we are neither the devils you are making us out to be.”

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….

"To the same extent that we are willing to recognize the evil brought on by pro-Ustasha rapmages in Croatia, extremism in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, we are ready to turn away from the tragic mistakes of our past and give legitimacy to people who wrote the blackest pages of our history," said he (Jovanovic).

One of the few politicians who are not afraid of the truth, unlike Dacic, who again talks again aout 'genocide lies' and forgets to mention that it was an UN court that ruled the Srebrenica massacre was a genocide.

Usually, Serbian politicians try to deny or downplay it.

There seems to be a recurring trend among Balkan countries and territories in which a vague ruling by the Hague due to "lack of evidence" is somehow translated into "full exoneration" by the group cheering on the defendant. Croats did this with Gotovina and Glavas. Albanians did (and will continue to do) this with Haradinaj, and apparently Serbs will do this with Milosevic. Is he guilty of orchestrating a joint-criminal enterprise as some suggest? No more or no less than Tudjman but sadly/thankfully both have gone to the grave.

Regardless, "no evidence" does not automatically translate into "innocent".

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC and other Corporate media,they spent years Hitlerizing this Man,that Court in the Hague is a disgrace to humanity.

finally justice for milosevic. no evidence he could be tied to the harshest accusations...where is the obnoxious prosecutor "May" now to comment on things? what a joke and farce....

The only 'news' here is that the ICTY has finally accepted some basic facts that were known at the time by everybody, but that is not what the ICTY is for. It is for handing out indictments on hearsay, second, third and other hand 'evidence' to get the suspect in to its jail while it takes its own sweet time in looking for actual evidence to support the indictment.

The ICTY has used this technique over and over again, even changing its own rules and legal procedures always to the detriment of the indictee.

Keeping someone in jail for years before coming to trial is simply not acceptable in the West unless you are poor, black, from the wrong background or all of the above (the USA being the Olympic Gold medallist for banging up non-whites by quite some margin).

As usual, the kangaroo court seeks to sweep up its perversion of basic jurisprudence and on-the-fly 'humanitarian law' under the carpet.

The only good news is the mass of documents produced and made public, though in the case of the secret investigation of Alija Izetbegovic by the ICTY, those have been sealed and kept secret. And this from a court that claims such public trials and transparency are key to 'reconciling the warring parties in the region'.

"... has caused complete chaos among idiots." Neil Clark is a moron , full stop. He copied this article from Andy Wilcoxson and it is full of inaccuracies, just like his other articles. If this does not convince you that RT is a propaganda outfit then nothing will.


The prosecution and defense of Karadzic was under no obligation to produce evidence that Milosevic is guilty or innocent
You cannot be exonerated (found not guilty) during someone else's trial. That should be the end of discussion.
If the judgement had said that there was evidence that Milosevic was innocent, maybe the article would be justified, but "insufficient evidence that he agreed with the common plan" is not the same as "did not agree with the plan", "stopped the plan", "innocent", "not guilty"

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC
(Englishman, 15 August 2016 23:25)

BBC reported this more than 4 months ago mate lol

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35893804

Sure guilty or not depends on the judges only but Milosevic was guilty even if he committed no crimes. Just because he was on the wrong side of the history.

"Go to your local police station and ask them if they would arrest someone with insufficient evidence."
(sj, 15 August 2016 12:27)

Of course they would not arrest someone with insufficient evidence. What are you talking about?
The article is not about arresting Milosevic, it is about a trial where nobody was asked to produce evidence of Milosevic's guilt.

Evidence of Milosevic's guilt for a particular crime would be deliberated on during a trial of Milosevic for that crime.
Do you think that any trial of Milosevic would only present evidence from Karadzic trial?

(sj, 15 August 2016 14:10)
Your example is not relevant because it has not come out that the authorities "had no evidence to implicate" Milosevic, it has come out that ICTY "is not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milosevic agreed with the common plan". This means that nothing in the trial of Karadzic would be sufficient to prove that Milosevic is guilty. This is a long way from exoneration.

If me and you rob a house together, you go in the front window and I go in the back window. I can then be put on trial and convicted for robbery without any evidence shown that proves that you helped him. This does not exonerate you.
For instance, there may be a video of you breaking the window that was not shown at my trial, but it will be shown at your trial.

I am not saying that Milosevic is guilty, all I am saying is that this does not prove that he is innocent or "exonerated".
In general, each member of the "Joint Criminal Enterprise" that the ICTY has accused people of has their own trial which would decide on what level of responsibility they have, if any.

"Niel Clark's column for RT earlier this month, asserting that the Hague Tribunal "exonerated" Slobodan Milosevic, has caused complete chaos."

Has caused complete chaos for whom?! Ivica?! lol

Btw, this is a few months old... is nobody's fault that information is slow to reach Ivica!
(icj1, 15 August 2016 15:46)

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icj1, the CB of B92, is falsely associating Ivica with chaos. The news, as written, was slow to reach Radio Free Europe.
icj1's Mengele polluted thinking prevents him/her from comprehending the text of news articles. Warped inferences and fictitious associations, most of which are bigoted, are the bases of rubbish emanating from the CB of B92's keyboard.

P.S. CB= Chief Bigot.

Chances of this being a main news item on the BBC is slim
(sj, 16 August 2016 11:57)

A neighbors dog took a shit in my yard this morning. You did not read about this incident on the front page of the BBC because is it not newsworthy , just like this ICTY article. It does not mean that there is no "free" press.

I would expect a few words in the Serbian papers because it seems Dacic got an erection when he read the story.
I'm not surprised that RT would write about it, they will print anything that they think makes the "decadent West" look bad. If my neighbor was American, they would probably print a story about the dog-shitting incident being done by America to make Serbs look bad.

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.

"Insufficient evidence means there is no PROOF. Where do you people live? Under a rock?"
(sj)

"insufficient evidence provided" means "insufficient evidence provided".
Nobody was asked to provide proof of Milosevic guilt or innocence during Karadzic's trial.

I am sometimes glad that these articles some up, it becomes quite clear who has a brain and who does not.
During Karadzic's trial there was also insufficient evidence provided that you have a brain, so you would agree that you are brainless?

Anyway, I am also glad that you have such a high opinion of the ICTY. I had always thought that you disagreed with the court

Milosevic was sick for have the power and use the power

He used the nationalist tactic for manipulate ordinary people

Good luck was that Serbis isn`t Usa or Russia

The trials of Milosevic and Karadizic are very similar because the charges would be nearly identical.
(sj, 15 August 2016 14:10)

Actually they were not nearly identical, at all. Milosevic had a long list of charges concerning events in Croatia and Kosovo that Karadzic did not have.

But, as always, I agree with the CE of B92 forums sj that ICTY should follow the command of the CE of B92 forums sj and charge Karadzic now for the same charges as Milosevic so that the reality can match the analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj, as it should!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

This is the problems with lying. The constant struggle to sustain a narrative without the use of memory or evidence inevitably fails as it runs into contradictory or absurd claims.

Nobody who has been honest about the recent history of the Balkans is shocked by this little discovery. The only difference here is that the very center of the promotion of Serbian guilt couldn't avoid documenting the innocence of a Serb propped up as the center of Serbian evil.

But for those who have been lying all this time, we know this will not even slow them down. Their passions were never born of any kind of truth.

And so Serbs formed the Serb Republic (RS) to protect their survival. They ensured their existence from Jihadi lunatics [link] and while I would have never voted for Milosevic, he did nothing wrong by helping make that happen.
(Ari Gold, 15 August 2016 10:32)

The biggest lunatic in the Balkans (the writer above aside) is the nationalist chauvinist mass murderer Milosevic who deserved his fate. Too bad his guilt wasn't confirmed in the Hague but that aside, only in Russia, North Korea, Angola, Cuba and Serbia are there crazies professing his innocence.

@Dwight

"The prosecution and defense of Karadzic was under no obligation to produce evidence that Milosevic is guilty or innocent."

The indictment against Karadzic lists Slobodan Milosevic as his co-conspirator, and so the prosecution was obliged to present evidence against him. The way the prosecution wrote the indictment, the judges had to make findings regarding Milosevic's culpability.

Claim: "If the judgement had said that there was evidence that Milosevic was innocent, maybe the article would be justified"

Rebuttal: The judgment does cite exculpatory evidence showing that Milosevic was opposed to ethnic cleansing. The evidence wasn't just "insufficient," the judges went beyond that and cited evidence contradicting the Prosecution's allegation that Slobodan Milosevic was part of the joint criminal enterprise.

Slobodan Milosevic and Radovan Karadzic were accused of undertaking the same joint criminal enterprise together. If Milosevic wasn't part of the joint criminal enterprise, then he couldn't have been guilty of the charges against him at his own trial because it was the joint criminal enterprise itself that linked him to the crimes committed in Bosnia. So yes, it's an exoneration of sorts.

I suppose Milosevic can't technically be exonerated because he was never convicted. If we want to talk about legal technicalities, then he's still got a presumption of innocence because he was never convicted, and he never will be convicted because he's dead.

The Serbs should be sending these articles on Milosevic out to the world as The Hague killed a man who was a lot less responsible for the wars in Yugoslavia than the Croatian Ustasa diaspora terrorists and Albanian drug/human trafficking mafia who financed the terrorist Muslim radical group called the Kosovo Liberation Army.

"Niel Clark's column for RT earlier this month, asserting that the Hague Tribunal "exonerated" Slobodan Milosevic, has caused complete chaos."

Has caused complete chaos for whom?! Ivica?! lol

Btw, this is a few months old... is nobody's fault that information is slow to reach Ivica!

Milosevic is dead, that's good enough for me. As for the obvious guilt of the Butcher, why stir up the garbage, it only makes it stink. Let's face it, Slobo did us all a favor by killing himself.

Milosevic was a disaster for Serbia. Inflation, corruption, on a grand scale - and that was in Serbia against Serbs.

Politically he was an opportunist. He did not seek to negotiate peace.

He was also a smoker. If he'd given up, he might have lived long enough to get a verdict!

(Different Bob)

@Alex R
Your comments about co-conspiracy are valid however all co-conspirators have had their own trial. If the Karadzic judgement had said Milosevic did all in his power to stop Karadzic, that might have been considered an exoneration.
The judgement says that he did not agree with the JCE, it does not say that he was not part of the JCE.

Andy Wilcoxson, Neil Clark et al are seeing what they want to see. The two important pieces in the paragraph about Milosevic are these:
"provided assistance in the form of personnel, provisions, and arms "
"(did not agree) with the common plan"
This would imply that Milosevic knew about the plans of the JCE, and he did not agree, but still helped. To me this would mean that he would be found guilty if there was a trial.

Also this line
"not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case" - again a separate investigation would be needed, Did Milosevic really disagree or was he using plausible deniability? If Milosevic knew what was happening, surely he could have stopped them. If you are going to shoot an innocent person and I hand you a gun while saying don't do it, am I an accomplice or not? I think most juries would say you are an accomplice.
Can anything here be used to defend Milosevic? I guess it is good that he disagreed with Karadzic, it is also an indication that he did not give any direct orders for war crimes in Bosnia

It is really, really great to see how the albanians, croats & bosnian muslims on this forum are just so disturbed to see this story gain more and more traction in the West.

The lies and CIA paid propaganda machine is falling apart;
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/sibley-shedding-new-light-on-slobodan-milosevic

The Milosevic ruling also vindicates those who didn’t think he was the villain that Western powers, especially the United States, made him out to be.

“The idea that he started (the war) is completely false,” says James Bissett, who served as Canada’s ambassador to Yugoslavia in the early 1990s and testified on Milosevic’s behalf. “I don’t think he was guilty of wanting a ‘Greater Serbia’ or genocide.”

Will those who vilified Milosevic admit they were wrong? Not likely.

As Bissett puts it: “Even in the early days, it was apparent that most of the media reporting about the cause and course of the Yugoslav fighting was biased. In effect, the Serbs were branded as the bad guys, and any news developments were interpreted on that basis.”

It seems that when governments need a bad guy to justify questionable actions, propaganda supersedes the truth.

"Niel Clark's column for RT earlier this month, asserting that the Hague Tribunal "exonerated" Slobodan Milosevic, has caused complete chaos."

Has caused complete chaos for whom?! Ivica?! lol

Btw, this is a few months old... is nobody's fault that information is slow to reach Ivica!
(icj1, 15 August 2016 15:46)

icj1, the CB of B92, is falsely associating Ivica with chaos. The news, as written, was slow to reach Radio Free Europe.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 15 August 2016 17:27)

I did not associate Ivica with chaos. B92 mentioned that some chaos was caused and then the majority of the B92 news story is about Ivica's reaction. So I asked the question. Feel free to consult a dictionary in any language about the meaning of "?" since English comprehension is challenging for you lol

In addition, since B92 has not replied, yet, unless you are B92 staff, you can't tell whether the association of the chaos with Ivica is true or false. Only the B92 staff knows that :)

As for being uninformed, the only person that B92 mentioned complaining is Ivica again. But it's nobody's fault that news from March 2016 reaches Ivica now, either because he does not read or because he relies on slow sources of information like RT which reports now information that has been out for more than 4 months lol

@icj
“ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.”

So convicting a few Croat generals and letting all the Albanian and Bosnian Muslim butchers like Naser Oric walk free while the Serbs get 1,000 year convictions and have it entire leadership sent to trial is the same? The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then? How do you explain the overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years? You have it the other way around; I have known this for 25 years and the Western media (and you) can finally shut up when it comes to comparing Milosevic to Hitler. Such bull…

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:54)

The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Mate, don't embarrass yourself by showing even more ignorance. Of course it is represented in the judgements. By 1998 ICTY had already determined, IN JUDGEMENTS, that individuals from all sides in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs) had committed crimes. So you are only about 18 years late realising that lol

Again, just because you are ignorant does not mean that the Serb people are ignorant like you so don't involve the Serb people in your ignorance.

How do you explain the overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

I can't because I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
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You have it the other way around; I have known this for 25 years
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

But you just said that "it took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides" when the international community had already shiwn that since 1998. So you either (i) lied or (ii) are ignorant of the facts. Feel free to choose one the two options :)
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and the Western media (and you) can finally shut up when it comes to comparing Milosevic to Hitler. Such bull…
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Just because you might think that Milosevic is like Hitler, that doesn't mean I think the same. I did not compare Milosevic to Hitler in any of my posts, mate!

I did not associate Ivica with chaos. B92 mentioned that some chaos was caused and then the majority of the B92 news story is about Ivica's reaction.

As for being uninformed, the only person that B92 mentioned complaining is Ivica again.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:43)

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Ask a reader who comprehends the English language about the first half of the article and the actions taken by Radio Free Europe. If icj1, the CB of B92, could read and understand, they would realize that the article first referred to recent actions and queries by Radio Free Europe. Why the CB of B92 chose to ignore this content and focus his/her fetish on "Ivica" is a reflection of icj1's dementia and does not represent the entire content of the article.

PS CB=Chief Bigot

I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:14)

If icj1 is not a psychiatrist, the we can safely conclude that the CB of B92's diagnosis of "hallucinations" or any other neurological disorder is a fictitious figment of icj1's warped mind and not supported by any factual medical evidence. Otherwise, the CB of B92 should support his/her claims and provide us a link to EEG or MRI scans consistent with a diagnosis of "hallucinations".

PS CB=Chief Bigot

I suppose Milosevic can't technically be exonerated because he was never convicted. If we want to talk about legal technicalities, then he's still got a presumption of innocence because he was never convicted, and he never will be convicted because he's dead.
(Alex R., 15 August 2016 21:29)

Alex R,
Hitler was never convicted because he died, yet, we all know he was guilty. Should we presume him innocent because he was never convicted.

Any riot in the U.S. is limited to only one small part of a city. If this had happened in Russia, Putin would have the rioters all killed. Just look at what he did to Pussy Riot. Vlad is far more ruthless than even Erdogen.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 August 2016 12:29)

What does this have to do with Russia? I’m talking about riots in Milwaukee and the fact that the Governor has ordered the National Guard out to stem the violence and your blabbering on about Putin and Erdogan? I can gather that ordering the National Guard is a common activity in the US and if they do kill it will be a gentle killing unlike in Russia where killings are done cruelly? You do not call out the army for nothing mate.
These riots have been going on for a while now in various parts of the US not just one small part.
I am making a comment about a lack of “free” press coverage and your waffling about Vlad.

(gg, 16 August 2016 16:10)
What are you talking about, what Milosevic ruling?

I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:14)

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No medical data for hallucinations or any other neurological disorder has been offered by icj1, the CB of B92. The CB of B92 is having only mild mental impairment today as the rubbish usually emenating from his/her Mengele-admiring mind associates a neurological disorder with entire an entire ethnic group.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

aren't there two and only two states a person can be in? can they not either be guilty or not-guilty. that's is it. one or the other. slobo was never fully found to be guilty. there was/is nothing (short of politics) preventing the court to posthumously determine guilt, or non-guilt (innocence). as it stands, he died while on trial. the trial ended without a guilty verdict. as western courts go, you're innocent until proven guilty -- thus a non-verdict directly implies non-guilt which further implies innocence. like it or not.
without the ability to determine guilt within his own trial, tertiary evidence from other trials that involve Slobo have some impact on the lack of decision of his trial. in his he could not be found guilty, and he was also not found to be associated in guilt with karadzic.
no guilty verdict in own trial,
no ability to associate with a criminal enterprise in another trial.
innocence by default may be the official case, but practically speaking the inability to nail guilt down suggest a high degree of lack of evidence to do so, which would further suggest a large semblance of innocence than guilt.
oh and even the court found slobo to be a staunch federalist, a defender of the commie jugoslavia, not a nationalist, like karadzic, and that ilk.

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:54)

The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Mate, don't embarrass yourself by showing even more ignorance. Of course it is represented in the judgements. By 1998 ICTY had already determined, IN JUDGEMENTS, that individuals from all sides in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs) had committed crimes. So you are only about 18 years late realising that lol

Again, just because you are ignorant does not mean that the Serb people are ignorant like you so don't involve the Serb people in your ignorance.

@icj
What actual points are you trying to make? You sound insane. It is a fact that western media hardly EVER showed Serb victims in the media. Prove me wrong. “The ICTY determined long ago that all sides committed crimes”, really? Give me a list of the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians convicted for crimes against Serbs. Do it…
You cannot debate me and that is why you are ranting like a child…maybe you should try calling NATO to help you in this debate…

That is an hallucination...
(icj1, 18 August 2016 15:33)

icj1, the CB of B92, should provide us with evidence substantiating his/her medical diagnoses before prematurely labelling a person or an entire ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Such unscientific, Mengele-inspired claims particularly when associated with an ethnic group, are common rubbiish spewed by icj1, the CB of B92.

PS CB=Chief Bigot

Why limit the range to Karadzic's trial? There are many more trials that did not prove Milosevic's guilt in former Yugoslavia. E.g., the Nuremberg trials, the Sacco and Vanzetti trials, the Salem witches trials, Socrates' trial. RT and Clark can be more thorough.

Dwight : I am not saying that Milosevic is guilty, all I am saying is that this does not prove that he is innocent or "exonerated".

He was hiding his crimes good enough to slip away formally innocent. Milosevic was the enemy of all the sides involved. That’s why he is loved Russia more than in his damned Serbia. With or without him Serbia is put on the knees for good I think.

(Different Bob)

(Dwight, 9 August 2016 15:53)

I suggest you read (Alex R., 15 August 2016 21:29) comment as he has done a very skilful job in explaining it.

Serbs are disturbing people. No one of their neighbors in Yugoslavia thought that they will arrive to do such a disturbing crimes. I’m sure that there was not a single Croat, Bosnian or Albanian man in Jugoslavia, who even passed on his mind that the disturbing Serbian neighbors will kill and massacres women, children and elderly, like unleashed dogs just to harm them. You overpass any imagination.
The disturbing dogs, the psychopathic minds did not fight with men in battle, they went in villages and massacres women, children and elderly people, just to harm these men the mostly.
Of course Milosevic is not guilty, he did not kill nobody with his own hands. I’m sure that even Hitler will be a free man, because even him like Milosevic was not responsible for what his army did.

Mr. Milosovic thought he was being poisned. An antibiotic was found in blood tests. This antibiotic could reduce the effect of medications Mr.Milosovic was taking for High Blood pressure ( a side effect of this antibiotic). Mr. Milosovic did not need an antibiotic. Mr Milosovic was therefore poisoned and killed in custody, by the Hague.

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC and other Corporate media,they spent years Hitlerizing this Man,that Court in the Hague is a disgrace to humanity.
(Englishman, 15 August 2016 23:25)

Sadly, you will be waiting for a very long time. We don't have a so called free press despite being often told so. Chances of this being a main news item on the BBC is slim much like what is going on in the US and the riots. Yes they have mentioned it now and again but now its not even on the main page of the BBC. However, if that was in Moscow then there would be 24/7 coverage with minute by minute reports.

That is what happens when the mask of so called freedom and democracy is ripped off and the facts are made bare. Its ugly but what hurts the most is the out right lies.

Chances of this being a main news item on the BBC is slim much like what is going on in the US and the riots. Yes they have mentioned it now and again but now its not even on the main page of the BBC. However, if that was in Moscow then there would be 24/7 coverage with minute by minute reports.
(sj, 16 August 2016 11:57)

sj,
Any riot in the U.S. is limited to only one small part of a city. If this had happened in Russia, Putin would have the rioters all killed. Just look at what he did to Pussy Riot. Vlad is far more ruthless than even Erdogen.

(Dwight, 16 August 2016 13:38)

Yeah there is a free press. How gullible are you? There is no such animal alive and never has been except in Hollywood movies. Journalists write what the owners tell them to write otherwise they start looking for a new job.
What does RT have to do with my earlier comment? I never mentioned RT. What are you smoking? I’m talking about major rioting in the US and you’re on about your dog shitting.
Really are you on something?

icj: I see you've shown up on yet another B92 thread to spread your anti-Serb vitriol. Why are you dodging the questions that I have repeatedly asked you to answer? Why do you engage in debates with others when you run away when asked questions? Are you that much of a coward icj? Again, I will say that you are lucky that you can hide behind a computer. If you ever get the courage to re-engage in our earlier debate(s), please start by answering the countless questions that you ran away from. My guess is that you'll remain a coward and avoid answering.

How do you explain the overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

I can't because I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:14)

It is a fact that western media hardly EVER showed Serb victims in the media. Prove me wrong.
(gg, 16 August 2016 21:40)

Why should I prove you wrong on that?! I wrote nothing about how often Western media showed Serb victims!

Whether "western media hardly EVER showed Serb victims in the media" is irrelevant to prove your unsubstantiated "fact" about the "overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years"!

icj - You're getting roasted on this thread!! Even I'm starting to feel sorry for you. Without question, you win the B92 award for typing the most and saying the least! You have mastered the art of talking in circles. Each post from you is more meaningless than the previous one. You've been called out as a liar, a coward, a bigot and a fraud. I see why you ran away from the questions I asked you; you simply dig your self into a deeper hole everytime you do answer someone! Too funny. Hard to believe you can press the send button on some of the things you come up with. Please do keep entertaining us.

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).

Paragraph 9 of the indictment against Karadzic says: "Radovan KARADZIC participated in an overarching joint criminal enterprise to permanently remove Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat inhabitants from the territories of BiH claimed as Bosnian Serb territory by means which included the commission of [crimes]." And in Paragraph 11 the indictment asserts that "Radovan KARADZIC acted in concert with other members of this criminal enterprise including [...] Slobodan MILOSEVIC".

Conversely, paragraph 6 of the indictment against Milosevic says: "Slobodan MILOSEVIC participated in the joint criminal enterprise [...] The purpose of this joint criminal enterprise was the forcible and permanent removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, through the commission of crimes." And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".

The charges against Milosevic and Karadzic have been linked for the Hague for all these years an still are...funny how they are now "separate" for the anti serb bashers...

To the contrary, I'm always happy to help a fellow forum contributor like you cure hallucinations that exist in your head :)
(icj1, 18 August 2016 21:25)

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Wow. icj1, the CB of B92, is now curing people of fictitious diagnoses. icj1's devotion to the medical practices of Mengele is steadfast.

Fact-based medecine requires data such as EEGs and MRI scans to support a diagnosis of a neurological disorder, such as "hallucinations". We can ask icj1 to provide such evidence, but he/she has (miserably) failed to do so on every request.

Dear readers, icj1 is not only a devoted practioner of Mengele medecine, icj1 is also devoted to the warped ICTY standards of evidence. In the warped world of icj1 and ICTY "evidence", fictitious figments and unsubstantiated inferences, in the hollow mind of an accuser, are considered "evidence".

icj1, the CB of B92, repetitively labels people, and even entire ethnic groups, with unsubstantiated claims of neurological disorders. icj1, the CB of B92, unfortunately can not engage in civil discourse without repetitively resorting to bigoted branding of people and ethnic groups.

talking about the truth just like this documentary is; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8YabztKZw

BBC reported this more than 4 months ago mate lol


That link is about Karadic not Milosovic,the BBC spent years day in day out Hitlerizing Milosovic,its clear its worked on you.

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:54)

The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Mate, don't embarrass yourself by showing even more ignorance. Of course it is represented in the judgements. By 1998 ICTY had already determined, IN JUDGEMENTS, that individuals from all sides in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs) had committed crimes.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:07)

What actual points are you trying to make? You sound insane
(gg, 16 August 2016 21:40)

Well, let me list them for you:

1. Your writing that "it took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia" is (i) a lie or (ii) ignorance since ICTY has already determined that, IN JUDGEMENTS, since 1998. Feel free to choose option (i) or (ii).

2. Just because you are ignorant or liar, does not make the Serb nation ignorant or liar because ignorant people or liars like you do not represent the Serb nation.

And yes, I'm sure that facts sound insane to people brainwashed with myths. You just proved that :)

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC
(Englishman, 15 August 2016 23:25)

BBC reported this more than 4 months ago mate lol

[link]
(icj1, 16 August 2016 16:08)

That link is about Karadic not Milosovic
(Englishman, 16 August 2016 22:18)

Yes that BBC link from more than 4 months ago is about the ICTY judgement in Karadzic's case, the same ICTY judgement that Niel Clark's RT column referenced in this B92 story was about :)

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).

Paragraph 9 of the indictment against Karadzic says: "Radovan KARADZIC participated in an overarching joint criminal enterprise to permanently remove Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat inhabitants from the territories of BiH claimed as Bosnian Serb territory by means which included the commission of [crimes]." And in Paragraph 11 the indictment asserts that "Radovan KARADZIC acted in concert with other members of this criminal enterprise including [...] Slobodan MILOSEVIC".

Conversely, paragraph 6 of the indictment against Milosevic says: "Slobodan MILOSEVIC participated in the joint criminal enterprise [...] The purpose of this joint criminal enterprise was the forcible and permanent removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, through the commission of crimes." And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".

The charges against Milosevic and Karadzic have been linked for the Hague for all these years an still are...funny how they are now "separate" for the anti serb bashers...

@icj
i love how this bothers you...:)...i would be upset as well if my albaniac muslim lies were facing collapse...

P.S. CB=Chief Bigot

a story about international crimes of mass murder, whatever stage of the tale it is in is not newsworthy, while the current bbc site has a tale about how some addict was able to kick the monkey off their back without having to go to rehab and have rehabilitation experts help them ween off their personal poison. it is highly charged story of personal triumph, a tale worth noting for ages to come. the butcher of the balkans, and the court's decisions are not the same sweet sweet spun sugar of the sticky story of one person's struggle and the obviously needed made for tv inspirational daytime movie.
newworthy... interesting word...

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).
(gg, 17 August 2016 18:19)

There is not any ICTY case against "Milosevic and Karadzic", mate. That is an hallucination that exists in your head :)
(icj1, 18 August 2016 15:33)

i love how this bothers you...:)
(gg, 18 August 2016 20:16)

To the contrary, I'm always happy to help a fellow forum contributor like you cure hallucinations that exist in your head :)

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).
(gg, 17 August 2016 18:19)

There is not any ICTY case against "Milosevic and Karadzic", mate. That is an hallucination that exists in your head :)
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And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".
(gg, 17 August 2016 18:19)

Yes, and you did not provide any evidence that ICTY said anything about Milosevic being not guilty of participating in a joint criminal enterprise with the "[etc...]"!

"To the same extent that we are willing to recognize the evil brought on by pro-Ustasha rapmages in Croatia, extremism in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, we are ready to turn away from the tragic mistakes of our past and give legitimacy to people who wrote the blackest pages of our history," said he (Jovanovic).

One of the few politicians who are not afraid of the truth, unlike Dacic, who again talks again aout 'genocide lies' and forgets to mention that it was an UN court that ruled the Srebrenica massacre was a genocide.

Usually, Serbian politicians try to deny or downplay it.

Milosevic was sick for have the power and use the power

He used the nationalist tactic for manipulate ordinary people

Good luck was that Serbis isn`t Usa or Russia

"... has caused complete chaos among idiots." Neil Clark is a moron , full stop. He copied this article from Andy Wilcoxson and it is full of inaccuracies, just like his other articles. If this does not convince you that RT is a propaganda outfit then nothing will.


The prosecution and defense of Karadzic was under no obligation to produce evidence that Milosevic is guilty or innocent
You cannot be exonerated (found not guilty) during someone else's trial. That should be the end of discussion.
If the judgement had said that there was evidence that Milosevic was innocent, maybe the article would be justified, but "insufficient evidence that he agreed with the common plan" is not the same as "did not agree with the plan", "stopped the plan", "innocent", "not guilty"

"Insufficient evidence means there is no PROOF. Where do you people live? Under a rock?"
(sj)

"insufficient evidence provided" means "insufficient evidence provided".
Nobody was asked to provide proof of Milosevic guilt or innocence during Karadzic's trial.

I am sometimes glad that these articles some up, it becomes quite clear who has a brain and who does not.
During Karadzic's trial there was also insufficient evidence provided that you have a brain, so you would agree that you are brainless?

Anyway, I am also glad that you have such a high opinion of the ICTY. I had always thought that you disagreed with the court

Milosevic is dead, that's good enough for me. As for the obvious guilt of the Butcher, why stir up the garbage, it only makes it stink. Let's face it, Slobo did us all a favor by killing himself.

Milosevic was a disaster for Serbia. Inflation, corruption, on a grand scale - and that was in Serbia against Serbs.

Politically he was an opportunist. He did not seek to negotiate peace.

He was also a smoker. If he'd given up, he might have lived long enough to get a verdict!

(Different Bob)

"insufficient evidence provided" means "insufficient evidence provided".
Nobody was asked to provide proof of Milosevic guilt or innocence during Karadzic's trial.

I am sometimes glad that these articles some up, it becomes quite clear who has a brain and who does not.
During Karadzic's trial there was also insufficient evidence provided that you have a brain, so you would agree that you are brainless?

Anyway, I am also glad that you have such a high opinion of the ICTY. I had always thought that you disagreed with the court
(Dwight, 15 August 2016 11:59)

Only when using an Albo legal text book mate. I still have little regard for the ICTY. Lad, you don't know what you are talking about so let it go.

Although it happens on rare occasions it is possible to exonerate an another individual at a different trail. Yes its rare but it happens.

Go to your local police station and ask them if they would arrest someone with insufficient evidence.I suggest that you grow a brain and stop giving your amateurish versions of being a trial lawyer.

(sj, 15 August 2016 14:10)
Your example is not relevant because it has not come out that the authorities "had no evidence to implicate" Milosevic, it has come out that ICTY "is not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milosevic agreed with the common plan". This means that nothing in the trial of Karadzic would be sufficient to prove that Milosevic is guilty. This is a long way from exoneration.

If me and you rob a house together, you go in the front window and I go in the back window. I can then be put on trial and convicted for robbery without any evidence shown that proves that you helped him. This does not exonerate you.
For instance, there may be a video of you breaking the window that was not shown at my trial, but it will be shown at your trial.

I am not saying that Milosevic is guilty, all I am saying is that this does not prove that he is innocent or "exonerated".
In general, each member of the "Joint Criminal Enterprise" that the ICTY has accused people of has their own trial which would decide on what level of responsibility they have, if any.

"Go to your local police station and ask them if they would arrest someone with insufficient evidence."
(sj, 15 August 2016 12:27)

Of course they would not arrest someone with insufficient evidence. What are you talking about?
The article is not about arresting Milosevic, it is about a trial where nobody was asked to produce evidence of Milosevic's guilt.

Evidence of Milosevic's guilt for a particular crime would be deliberated on during a trial of Milosevic for that crime.
Do you think that any trial of Milosevic would only present evidence from Karadzic trial?

And so Serbs formed the Serb Republic (RS) to protect their survival. They ensured their existence from Jihadi lunatics [link] and while I would have never voted for Milosevic, he did nothing wrong by helping make that happen.
(Ari Gold, 15 August 2016 10:32)

The biggest lunatic in the Balkans (the writer above aside) is the nationalist chauvinist mass murderer Milosevic who deserved his fate. Too bad his guilt wasn't confirmed in the Hague but that aside, only in Russia, North Korea, Angola, Cuba and Serbia are there crazies professing his innocence.

"Niel Clark's column for RT earlier this month, asserting that the Hague Tribunal "exonerated" Slobodan Milosevic, has caused complete chaos."

Has caused complete chaos for whom?! Ivica?! lol

Btw, this is a few months old... is nobody's fault that information is slow to reach Ivica!

The trials of Milosevic and Karadizic are very similar because the charges would be nearly identical.
(sj, 15 August 2016 14:10)

Actually they were not nearly identical, at all. Milosevic had a long list of charges concerning events in Croatia and Kosovo that Karadzic did not have.

But, as always, I agree with the CE of B92 forums sj that ICTY should follow the command of the CE of B92 forums sj and charge Karadzic now for the same charges as Milosevic so that the reality can match the analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj, as it should!

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

"The Trial Chamber of the Karadzic case found, at paragraph 3460, page 1303, of the Trial Judgement, that 'there was no sufficient evidence presented in this case to find that Slobodan Milosevic agreed with the common plan'. The Trial Chamber found earlier in the same paragraph that 'Milosevic provided assistance in the form of personnel, provisions and arms to Bosnian Serbs during the conflict'."

Right, which is not a criminal act. I hope all those who murdered civilians are facing justice (even though we know that those who murdered Serbian civilians are not). But the cause for Serbs in Bosnia to fight against the creation of an Islamic State, which was Alija Izetbegovic's intention, was completely justified. The Serbs west of the Drina river remember very well the Croatian Nazi state NDH and what happened to them when they didn't have institutions to protect themselves from becoming persecuted minorities.

And so Serbs formed the Serb Republic (RS) to protect their survival. They ensured their existence from Jihadi lunatics https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OtfDi6nb4H8/hqdefault.jpg and while I would have never voted for Milosevic, he did nothing wrong by helping make that happen.

Sure guilty or not depends on the judges only but Milosevic was guilty even if he committed no crimes. Just because he was on the wrong side of the history.

(Dwight, 15 August 2016 10:39)

Look you have no idea what you are talking about. The only time you would have been in a courtroom is when you cleaning it or were wearing the colour orange with handcuffs and shackles.
Of course you can be exonerated at another trial. Its not that common but it does happen.
Insufficient evidence means there is no PROOF. Where do you people live? Under a rock?

(Dwight, 15 August 2016 13:13)

Let’s say you have been convicted for crime X and are in prison. During another person’s trial it comes out that the authorities really had no evidence to implicate you so according to your logic you should continue in prison and finish your sentence despite this evidence.
The trials of Milosevic and Karadizic are very similar because the charges would be nearly identical. So the same ground would be covered.
A trial judge in any normal country that would make such a statement where there is no evidence Milosevic agreed to a common plan then a page or two later claim that he provided arms etc would be removed from the bench for incompetence. This is mistrial heaven given on a silver platter to the defence. Its called kukuland stuff.
This is a fine example of the ICTY not shooting itself in the foot but completely blowing the leg off.

finally justice for milosevic. no evidence he could be tied to the harshest accusations...where is the obnoxious prosecutor "May" now to comment on things? what a joke and farce....

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC and other Corporate media,they spent years Hitlerizing this Man,that Court in the Hague is a disgrace to humanity.
(Englishman, 15 August 2016 23:25)

Sadly, you will be waiting for a very long time. We don't have a so called free press despite being often told so. Chances of this being a main news item on the BBC is slim much like what is going on in the US and the riots. Yes they have mentioned it now and again but now its not even on the main page of the BBC. However, if that was in Moscow then there would be 24/7 coverage with minute by minute reports.

That is what happens when the mask of so called freedom and democracy is ripped off and the facts are made bare. Its ugly but what hurts the most is the out right lies.

Dwight : I am not saying that Milosevic is guilty, all I am saying is that this does not prove that he is innocent or "exonerated".

He was hiding his crimes good enough to slip away formally innocent. Milosevic was the enemy of all the sides involved. That’s why he is loved Russia more than in his damned Serbia. With or without him Serbia is put on the knees for good I think.

(Different Bob)

Serbs are disturbing people. No one of their neighbors in Yugoslavia thought that they will arrive to do such a disturbing crimes. I’m sure that there was not a single Croat, Bosnian or Albanian man in Jugoslavia, who even passed on his mind that the disturbing Serbian neighbors will kill and massacres women, children and elderly, like unleashed dogs just to harm them. You overpass any imagination.
The disturbing dogs, the psychopathic minds did not fight with men in battle, they went in villages and massacres women, children and elderly people, just to harm these men the mostly.
Of course Milosevic is not guilty, he did not kill nobody with his own hands. I’m sure that even Hitler will be a free man, because even him like Milosevic was not responsible for what his army did.

(Dwight, 16 August 2016 13:38)

Yeah there is a free press. How gullible are you? There is no such animal alive and never has been except in Hollywood movies. Journalists write what the owners tell them to write otherwise they start looking for a new job.
What does RT have to do with my earlier comment? I never mentioned RT. What are you smoking? I’m talking about major rioting in the US and you’re on about your dog shitting.
Really are you on something?

It is really, really great to see how the albanians, croats & bosnian muslims on this forum are just so disturbed to see this story gain more and more traction in the West.

The lies and CIA paid propaganda machine is falling apart;
http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/sibley-shedding-new-light-on-slobodan-milosevic

The Milosevic ruling also vindicates those who didn’t think he was the villain that Western powers, especially the United States, made him out to be.

“The idea that he started (the war) is completely false,” says James Bissett, who served as Canada’s ambassador to Yugoslavia in the early 1990s and testified on Milosevic’s behalf. “I don’t think he was guilty of wanting a ‘Greater Serbia’ or genocide.”

Will those who vilified Milosevic admit they were wrong? Not likely.

As Bissett puts it: “Even in the early days, it was apparent that most of the media reporting about the cause and course of the Yugoslav fighting was biased. In effect, the Serbs were branded as the bad guys, and any news developments were interpreted on that basis.”

It seems that when governments need a bad guy to justify questionable actions, propaganda supersedes the truth.

@icj
“ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.”

So convicting a few Croat generals and letting all the Albanian and Bosnian Muslim butchers like Naser Oric walk free while the Serbs get 1,000 year convictions and have it entire leadership sent to trial is the same? The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then? How do you explain the overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years? You have it the other way around; I have known this for 25 years and the Western media (and you) can finally shut up when it comes to comparing Milosevic to Hitler. Such bull…

@BA
The question here is not what each group does in trying to "exonerate" or justify its own actors but rather the question is about how Western media has had this fanatical, anti-Serbian, propaganda machine painting all others in the Balkans as “good” and Serbs as “bad” for 25 years. We now see with this paragraph buried in the Karadzic verdict that Milosevic (the president of Serbia and Yugoslavia; btw no other head of state of any former yugo republic was indicted like he was so your comparison to them makes no sense) could not be convicted of the harshest accusation which was that he conspired to commit genocide and to ethnically cleanse Bosnia of its non-Serb residents. Yes he helped the Serbs of Bosnia with money and arms but so did the Islamic world by helping the Bosnian Muslims and so did Germany, Hungary, Vatican etc. by helping the Croats with arms and money. Turns out Milosevic was right all along when he said to the West; “We are not angels but we are neither the devils you are making us out to be.”

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC and other Corporate media,they spent years Hitlerizing this Man,that Court in the Hague is a disgrace to humanity.

Any riot in the U.S. is limited to only one small part of a city. If this had happened in Russia, Putin would have the rioters all killed. Just look at what he did to Pussy Riot. Vlad is far more ruthless than even Erdogen.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 August 2016 12:29)

What does this have to do with Russia? I’m talking about riots in Milwaukee and the fact that the Governor has ordered the National Guard out to stem the violence and your blabbering on about Putin and Erdogan? I can gather that ordering the National Guard is a common activity in the US and if they do kill it will be a gentle killing unlike in Russia where killings are done cruelly? You do not call out the army for nothing mate.
These riots have been going on for a while now in various parts of the US not just one small part.
I am making a comment about a lack of “free” press coverage and your waffling about Vlad.

(Dwight, 9 August 2016 15:53)

I suggest you read (Alex R., 15 August 2016 21:29) comment as he has done a very skilful job in explaining it.

talking about the truth just like this documentary is; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8YabztKZw

Now that the trials are over let the Hague try Germany and the Vatican for initiating recognition of Croatia and Slovenia which led to the outbreak of civil war.

Were it not for the self-serving recognitions (80 years in the making), hostilities would not have begun, and a peaceful dissolution could have been brokered.

Let us then try those who criminally provided arms to the combatants against UN Resolutions. And who brought and armed foreign fighters (also against UN Resolutions).

Why limit the range to Karadzic's trial? There are many more trials that did not prove Milosevic's guilt in former Yugoslavia. E.g., the Nuremberg trials, the Sacco and Vanzetti trials, the Salem witches trials, Socrates' trial. RT and Clark can be more thorough.

@Dwight

"The prosecution and defense of Karadzic was under no obligation to produce evidence that Milosevic is guilty or innocent."

The indictment against Karadzic lists Slobodan Milosevic as his co-conspirator, and so the prosecution was obliged to present evidence against him. The way the prosecution wrote the indictment, the judges had to make findings regarding Milosevic's culpability.

Claim: "If the judgement had said that there was evidence that Milosevic was innocent, maybe the article would be justified"

Rebuttal: The judgment does cite exculpatory evidence showing that Milosevic was opposed to ethnic cleansing. The evidence wasn't just "insufficient," the judges went beyond that and cited evidence contradicting the Prosecution's allegation that Slobodan Milosevic was part of the joint criminal enterprise.

Slobodan Milosevic and Radovan Karadzic were accused of undertaking the same joint criminal enterprise together. If Milosevic wasn't part of the joint criminal enterprise, then he couldn't have been guilty of the charges against him at his own trial because it was the joint criminal enterprise itself that linked him to the crimes committed in Bosnia. So yes, it's an exoneration of sorts.

I suppose Milosevic can't technically be exonerated because he was never convicted. If we want to talk about legal technicalities, then he's still got a presumption of innocence because he was never convicted, and he never will be convicted because he's dead.

icj: I see you've shown up on yet another B92 thread to spread your anti-Serb vitriol. Why are you dodging the questions that I have repeatedly asked you to answer? Why do you engage in debates with others when you run away when asked questions? Are you that much of a coward icj? Again, I will say that you are lucky that you can hide behind a computer. If you ever get the courage to re-engage in our earlier debate(s), please start by answering the countless questions that you ran away from. My guess is that you'll remain a coward and avoid answering.

@icj
What actual points are you trying to make? You sound insane. It is a fact that western media hardly EVER showed Serb victims in the media. Prove me wrong. “The ICTY determined long ago that all sides committed crimes”, really? Give me a list of the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians convicted for crimes against Serbs. Do it…
You cannot debate me and that is why you are ranting like a child…maybe you should try calling NATO to help you in this debate…

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).
(gg, 17 August 2016 18:19)

There is not any ICTY case against "Milosevic and Karadzic", mate. That is an hallucination that exists in your head :)
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And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".
(gg, 17 August 2016 18:19)

Yes, and you did not provide any evidence that ICTY said anything about Milosevic being not guilty of participating in a joint criminal enterprise with the "[etc...]"!

Milosevic screwed up big time and was no hero.
Yet he searched for peace far more than either tudjman or izerbegovic.

The only 'news' here is that the ICTY has finally accepted some basic facts that were known at the time by everybody, but that is not what the ICTY is for. It is for handing out indictments on hearsay, second, third and other hand 'evidence' to get the suspect in to its jail while it takes its own sweet time in looking for actual evidence to support the indictment.

The ICTY has used this technique over and over again, even changing its own rules and legal procedures always to the detriment of the indictee.

Keeping someone in jail for years before coming to trial is simply not acceptable in the West unless you are poor, black, from the wrong background or all of the above (the USA being the Olympic Gold medallist for banging up non-whites by quite some margin).

As usual, the kangaroo court seeks to sweep up its perversion of basic jurisprudence and on-the-fly 'humanitarian law' under the carpet.

The only good news is the mass of documents produced and made public, though in the case of the secret investigation of Alija Izetbegovic by the ICTY, those have been sealed and kept secret. And this from a court that claims such public trials and transparency are key to 'reconciling the warring parties in the region'.

There seems to be a recurring trend among Balkan countries and territories in which a vague ruling by the Hague due to "lack of evidence" is somehow translated into "full exoneration" by the group cheering on the defendant. Croats did this with Gotovina and Glavas. Albanians did (and will continue to do) this with Haradinaj, and apparently Serbs will do this with Milosevic. Is he guilty of orchestrating a joint-criminal enterprise as some suggest? No more or no less than Tudjman but sadly/thankfully both have gone to the grave.

Regardless, "no evidence" does not automatically translate into "innocent".

This is the problems with lying. The constant struggle to sustain a narrative without the use of memory or evidence inevitably fails as it runs into contradictory or absurd claims.

Nobody who has been honest about the recent history of the Balkans is shocked by this little discovery. The only difference here is that the very center of the promotion of Serbian guilt couldn't avoid documenting the innocence of a Serb propped up as the center of Serbian evil.

But for those who have been lying all this time, we know this will not even slow them down. Their passions were never born of any kind of truth.

The Serbs should be sending these articles on Milosevic out to the world as The Hague killed a man who was a lot less responsible for the wars in Yugoslavia than the Croatian Ustasa diaspora terrorists and Albanian drug/human trafficking mafia who financed the terrorist Muslim radical group called the Kosovo Liberation Army.

"Niel Clark's column for RT earlier this month, asserting that the Hague Tribunal "exonerated" Slobodan Milosevic, has caused complete chaos."

Has caused complete chaos for whom?! Ivica?! lol

Btw, this is a few months old... is nobody's fault that information is slow to reach Ivica!
(icj1, 15 August 2016 15:46)

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icj1, the CB of B92, is falsely associating Ivica with chaos. The news, as written, was slow to reach Radio Free Europe.
icj1's Mengele polluted thinking prevents him/her from comprehending the text of news articles. Warped inferences and fictitious associations, most of which are bigoted, are the bases of rubbish emanating from the CB of B92's keyboard.

P.S. CB= Chief Bigot.

I suppose Milosevic can't technically be exonerated because he was never convicted. If we want to talk about legal technicalities, then he's still got a presumption of innocence because he was never convicted, and he never will be convicted because he's dead.
(Alex R., 15 August 2016 21:29)

Alex R,
Hitler was never convicted because he died, yet, we all know he was guilty. Should we presume him innocent because he was never convicted.

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:54)

The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Mate, don't embarrass yourself by showing even more ignorance. Of course it is represented in the judgements. By 1998 ICTY had already determined, IN JUDGEMENTS, that individuals from all sides in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs) had committed crimes. So you are only about 18 years late realising that lol

Again, just because you are ignorant does not mean that the Serb people are ignorant like you so don't involve the Serb people in your ignorance.

How do you explain the overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

I can't because I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
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You have it the other way around; I have known this for 25 years
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

But you just said that "it took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides" when the international community had already shiwn that since 1998. So you either (i) lied or (ii) are ignorant of the facts. Feel free to choose one the two options :)
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and the Western media (and you) can finally shut up when it comes to comparing Milosevic to Hitler. Such bull…
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Just because you might think that Milosevic is like Hitler, that doesn't mean I think the same. I did not compare Milosevic to Hitler in any of my posts, mate!

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).

Paragraph 9 of the indictment against Karadzic says: "Radovan KARADZIC participated in an overarching joint criminal enterprise to permanently remove Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat inhabitants from the territories of BiH claimed as Bosnian Serb territory by means which included the commission of [crimes]." And in Paragraph 11 the indictment asserts that "Radovan KARADZIC acted in concert with other members of this criminal enterprise including [...] Slobodan MILOSEVIC".

Conversely, paragraph 6 of the indictment against Milosevic says: "Slobodan MILOSEVIC participated in the joint criminal enterprise [...] The purpose of this joint criminal enterprise was the forcible and permanent removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, through the commission of crimes." And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".

The charges against Milosevic and Karadzic have been linked for the Hague for all these years an still are...funny how they are now "separate" for the anti serb bashers...

@Alex R
Your comments about co-conspiracy are valid however all co-conspirators have had their own trial. If the Karadzic judgement had said Milosevic did all in his power to stop Karadzic, that might have been considered an exoneration.
The judgement says that he did not agree with the JCE, it does not say that he was not part of the JCE.

Andy Wilcoxson, Neil Clark et al are seeing what they want to see. The two important pieces in the paragraph about Milosevic are these:
"provided assistance in the form of personnel, provisions, and arms "
"(did not agree) with the common plan"
This would imply that Milosevic knew about the plans of the JCE, and he did not agree, but still helped. To me this would mean that he would be found guilty if there was a trial.

Also this line
"not satisfied that there was sufficient evidence presented in this case" - again a separate investigation would be needed, Did Milosevic really disagree or was he using plausible deniability? If Milosevic knew what was happening, surely he could have stopped them. If you are going to shoot an innocent person and I hand you a gun while saying don't do it, am I an accomplice or not? I think most juries would say you are an accomplice.
Can anything here be used to defend Milosevic? I guess it is good that he disagreed with Karadzic, it is also an indication that he did not give any direct orders for war crimes in Bosnia

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC
(Englishman, 15 August 2016 23:25)

BBC reported this more than 4 months ago mate lol

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35893804

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. Just because it takes until 2016 for the news to reach you, that is your problem, but don't associate Serbs as a nation with ignorance since you don't represent them.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:54)

The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Mate, don't embarrass yourself by showing even more ignorance. Of course it is represented in the judgements. By 1998 ICTY had already determined, IN JUDGEMENTS, that individuals from all sides in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs) had committed crimes. So you are only about 18 years late realising that lol

Again, just because you are ignorant does not mean that the Serb people are ignorant like you so don't involve the Serb people in your ignorance.

I did not associate Ivica with chaos. B92 mentioned that some chaos was caused and then the majority of the B92 news story is about Ivica's reaction.

As for being uninformed, the only person that B92 mentioned complaining is Ivica again.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:43)

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Ask a reader who comprehends the English language about the first half of the article and the actions taken by Radio Free Europe. If icj1, the CB of B92, could read and understand, they would realize that the article first referred to recent actions and queries by Radio Free Europe. Why the CB of B92 chose to ignore this content and focus his/her fetish on "Ivica" is a reflection of icj1's dementia and does not represent the entire content of the article.

PS CB=Chief Bigot

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).
(gg, 17 August 2016 18:19)

There is not any ICTY case against "Milosevic and Karadzic", mate. That is an hallucination that exists in your head :)
(icj1, 18 August 2016 15:33)

i love how this bothers you...:)
(gg, 18 August 2016 20:16)

To the contrary, I'm always happy to help a fellow forum contributor like you cure hallucinations that exist in your head :)

Chances of this being a main news item on the BBC is slim much like what is going on in the US and the riots. Yes they have mentioned it now and again but now its not even on the main page of the BBC. However, if that was in Moscow then there would be 24/7 coverage with minute by minute reports.
(sj, 16 August 2016 11:57)

sj,
Any riot in the U.S. is limited to only one small part of a city. If this had happened in Russia, Putin would have the rioters all killed. Just look at what he did to Pussy Riot. Vlad is far more ruthless than even Erdogen.

Chances of this being a main news item on the BBC is slim
(sj, 16 August 2016 11:57)

A neighbors dog took a shit in my yard this morning. You did not read about this incident on the front page of the BBC because is it not newsworthy , just like this ICTY article. It does not mean that there is no "free" press.

I would expect a few words in the Serbian papers because it seems Dacic got an erection when he read the story.
I'm not surprised that RT would write about it, they will print anything that they think makes the "decadent West" look bad. If my neighbor was American, they would probably print a story about the dog-shitting incident being done by America to make Serbs look bad.

"Niel Clark's column for RT earlier this month, asserting that the Hague Tribunal "exonerated" Slobodan Milosevic, has caused complete chaos."

Has caused complete chaos for whom?! Ivica?! lol

Btw, this is a few months old... is nobody's fault that information is slow to reach Ivica!
(icj1, 15 August 2016 15:46)

icj1, the CB of B92, is falsely associating Ivica with chaos. The news, as written, was slow to reach Radio Free Europe.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 15 August 2016 17:27)

I did not associate Ivica with chaos. B92 mentioned that some chaos was caused and then the majority of the B92 news story is about Ivica's reaction. So I asked the question. Feel free to consult a dictionary in any language about the meaning of "?" since English comprehension is challenging for you lol

In addition, since B92 has not replied, yet, unless you are B92 staff, you can't tell whether the association of the chaos with Ivica is true or false. Only the B92 staff knows that :)

As for being uninformed, the only person that B92 mentioned complaining is Ivica again. But it's nobody's fault that news from March 2016 reaches Ivica now, either because he does not read or because he relies on slow sources of information like RT which reports now information that has been out for more than 4 months lol

BBC reported this more than 4 months ago mate lol


That link is about Karadic not Milosovic,the BBC spent years day in day out Hitlerizing Milosovic,its clear its worked on you.

I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:14)

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No medical data for hallucinations or any other neurological disorder has been offered by icj1, the CB of B92. The CB of B92 is having only mild mental impairment today as the rubbish usually emenating from his/her Mengele-admiring mind associates a neurological disorder with entire an entire ethnic group.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

That is an hallucination...
(icj1, 18 August 2016 15:33)

icj1, the CB of B92, should provide us with evidence substantiating his/her medical diagnoses before prematurely labelling a person or an entire ethnic group with a neurological disorder. Such unscientific, Mengele-inspired claims particularly when associated with an ethnic group, are common rubbiish spewed by icj1, the CB of B92.

PS CB=Chief Bigot

(gg, 16 August 2016 16:10)
What are you talking about, what Milosevic ruling?

Mr. Milosovic thought he was being poisned. An antibiotic was found in blood tests. This antibiotic could reduce the effect of medications Mr.Milosovic was taking for High Blood pressure ( a side effect of this antibiotic). Mr. Milosovic did not need an antibiotic. Mr Milosovic was therefore poisoned and killed in custody, by the Hague.

It took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia. This is something the Serbs were saying all along and that is why this is a “victory” for the dead president….
(gg, 15 August 2016 22:34)

ICTY has determined long ago, mate, that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 15:54)

The ICTY “determined long ago that all sides committed” crimes; How’s it not represented in the judgments then?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

Mate, don't embarrass yourself by showing even more ignorance. Of course it is represented in the judgements. By 1998 ICTY had already determined, IN JUDGEMENTS, that individuals from all sides in Bosnia & Herzegovina (Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs) had committed crimes.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:07)

What actual points are you trying to make? You sound insane
(gg, 16 August 2016 21:40)

Well, let me list them for you:

1. Your writing that "it took 25 years to just show the world that crimes were committed by all sides in Bosnia" is (i) a lie or (ii) ignorance since ICTY has already determined that, IN JUDGEMENTS, since 1998. Feel free to choose option (i) or (ii).

2. Just because you are ignorant or liar, does not make the Serb nation ignorant or liar because ignorant people or liars like you do not represent the Serb nation.

And yes, I'm sure that facts sound insane to people brainwashed with myths. You just proved that :)

How do you explain the overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years?
(gg, 16 August 2016 17:08)

I can't because I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:14)

It is a fact that western media hardly EVER showed Serb victims in the media. Prove me wrong.
(gg, 16 August 2016 21:40)

Why should I prove you wrong on that?! I wrote nothing about how often Western media showed Serb victims!

Whether "western media hardly EVER showed Serb victims in the media" is irrelevant to prove your unsubstantiated "fact" about the "overwhelming demonization of the Serb nation in western media for 25 years"!

icj - You're getting roasted on this thread!! Even I'm starting to feel sorry for you. Without question, you win the B92 award for typing the most and saying the least! You have mastered the art of talking in circles. Each post from you is more meaningless than the previous one. You've been called out as a liar, a coward, a bigot and a fraud. I see why you ran away from the questions I asked you; you simply dig your self into a deeper hole everytime you do answer someone! Too funny. Hard to believe you can press the send button on some of the things you come up with. Please do keep entertaining us.

@icj
i love how this bothers you...:)...i would be upset as well if my albaniac muslim lies were facing collapse...

aren't there two and only two states a person can be in? can they not either be guilty or not-guilty. that's is it. one or the other. slobo was never fully found to be guilty. there was/is nothing (short of politics) preventing the court to posthumously determine guilt, or non-guilt (innocence). as it stands, he died while on trial. the trial ended without a guilty verdict. as western courts go, you're innocent until proven guilty -- thus a non-verdict directly implies non-guilt which further implies innocence. like it or not.
without the ability to determine guilt within his own trial, tertiary evidence from other trials that involve Slobo have some impact on the lack of decision of his trial. in his he could not be found guilty, and he was also not found to be associated in guilt with karadzic.
no guilty verdict in own trial,
no ability to associate with a criminal enterprise in another trial.
innocence by default may be the official case, but practically speaking the inability to nail guilt down suggest a high degree of lack of evidence to do so, which would further suggest a large semblance of innocence than guilt.
oh and even the court found slobo to be a staunch federalist, a defender of the commie jugoslavia, not a nationalist, like karadzic, and that ilk.

I'm not a psychiatrist to be able to explain hallucinations that exist in your head.
(icj1, 16 August 2016 20:14)

If icj1 is not a psychiatrist, the we can safely conclude that the CB of B92's diagnosis of "hallucinations" or any other neurological disorder is a fictitious figment of icj1's warped mind and not supported by any factual medical evidence. Otherwise, the CB of B92 should support his/her claims and provide us a link to EEG or MRI scans consistent with a diagnosis of "hallucinations".

PS CB=Chief Bigot

I am still waiting for this to be reported on the BBC
(Englishman, 15 August 2016 23:25)

BBC reported this more than 4 months ago mate lol

[link]
(icj1, 16 August 2016 16:08)

That link is about Karadic not Milosovic
(Englishman, 16 August 2016 22:18)

Yes that BBC link from more than 4 months ago is about the ICTY judgement in Karadzic's case, the same ICTY judgement that Niel Clark's RT column referenced in this B92 story was about :)

The entire case against Milosevic and Karadzic was built around the premise of a “Joint Criminal Enterprise” (that Karadzic and Milosevic conspired together to cleanse Bosnia and create a “Greater Serbia” – an accusation that was dropped against Milosevic even during his trial).

Paragraph 9 of the indictment against Karadzic says: "Radovan KARADZIC participated in an overarching joint criminal enterprise to permanently remove Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat inhabitants from the territories of BiH claimed as Bosnian Serb territory by means which included the commission of [crimes]." And in Paragraph 11 the indictment asserts that "Radovan KARADZIC acted in concert with other members of this criminal enterprise including [...] Slobodan MILOSEVIC".

Conversely, paragraph 6 of the indictment against Milosevic says: "Slobodan MILOSEVIC participated in the joint criminal enterprise [...] The purpose of this joint criminal enterprise was the forcible and permanent removal of the majority of non-Serbs, principally Bosnian Muslims and Bosnian Croats, from large areas of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, through the commission of crimes." And in Paragraph 7, "The individuals participating in this joint criminal enterprise included Slobodan MILOSEVIC, Radovan KARADZIC, [etc ...]".

The charges against Milosevic and Karadzic have been linked for the Hague for all these years an still are...funny how they are now "separate" for the anti serb bashers...

To the contrary, I'm always happy to help a fellow forum contributor like you cure hallucinations that exist in your head :)
(icj1, 18 August 2016 21:25)

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Wow. icj1, the CB of B92, is now curing people of fictitious diagnoses. icj1's devotion to the medical practices of Mengele is steadfast.

Fact-based medecine requires data such as EEGs and MRI scans to support a diagnosis of a neurological disorder, such as "hallucinations". We can ask icj1 to provide such evidence, but he/she has (miserably) failed to do so on every request.

Dear readers, icj1 is not only a devoted practioner of Mengele medecine, icj1 is also devoted to the warped ICTY standards of evidence. In the warped world of icj1 and ICTY "evidence", fictitious figments and unsubstantiated inferences, in the hollow mind of an accuser, are considered "evidence".

icj1, the CB of B92, repetitively labels people, and even entire ethnic groups, with unsubstantiated claims of neurological disorders. icj1, the CB of B92, unfortunately can not engage in civil discourse without repetitively resorting to bigoted branding of people and ethnic groups.

a story about international crimes of mass murder, whatever stage of the tale it is in is not newsworthy, while the current bbc site has a tale about how some addict was able to kick the monkey off their back without having to go to rehab and have rehabilitation experts help them ween off their personal poison. it is highly charged story of personal triumph, a tale worth noting for ages to come. the butcher of the balkans, and the court's decisions are not the same sweet sweet spun sugar of the sticky story of one person's struggle and the obviously needed made for tv inspirational daytime movie.
newworthy... interesting word...

P.S. CB=Chief Bigot