"Recognition of Kosovo condition for Greece" - daily

Greece is no longer a country! Greece is an EU colony; all decisions are made by unelected EU bodies behind the scene. Serbia, this is where you are headed if you join! All the lemmings sing: one by one we all follow the next off the cliff!
(The Driver, 14 August 2015 20:47) # Comment link

Can't you see the EU is the only organization willing to help Serbia. Russia slammed the door on Serbia's face many times, after getting what they wanted from us. We had been manipulated into following following the likes of Milosevic, where did that get us. Serbs cannot afford to waste any further time thinking like backward Balkan villagers. We must think of our children and future generations. We are being looked down on by the West with contempt for being such a self destructive people, yet they are still willing to help us. We must take the responsibility of our past mistakes and be thankful the West is willing to help us. What would happen to Greece if the West left them to their own devices.

You mean Vucic's best friends are going to make Greece do something that its own nation would be staunchly against and hurt Serbia?! Sorry, but I don't believe the "Friends of Serbia" would do something like that!

I can just imagine the conversations between the EU placemen in Greece and the Germans and Americans. Something like: Greeks: How do we sell this to the people? It is so obviously blackmail and they don't want it. We need the money but this is going to look bad.
Germans and Americans: Why not use the Macedonia thing. God knows nobody really cares or understands what it's all about. Anyway, in the long run you and the Albanians can split up Macedonia as you wish, now you'll be best buddies. As we say, the Serbs (and Orthodox) always lose. We'll throw them a bone to keep them quiet. And don't worry about the people. The threat of no food or medicine will soon convince them.

If its true, this recognition seems to be taking place due to blackmail and not a deeper philosophy.

Basically It's taking place for money.

it gets the recognition, but has little functional value. Forced marriage.

And on the Western side, a large amount of "political capital" is being spent to get just one additional recognition.

Interesting.

Soros calls merkel and says put kosovo recognition in there. Perhaps even some debt relief if they go along. How to soften this brazen act of blackmail? Announce opening of chapters around the same time. Voila. Welcome to the not so wonderful world of the eu.
What Serbia needs to decide is do we subjugate ourselves for a little more security, better pensions and healthcare? Or do we go it alone, wait for the inevitable splintering of the EU and seek a better deal then.

Too much coincidence. They will have their pound of flesh, blackmail and diktat is what it mesns to be broke and at the mercy of the ecb and the treasury.
This will be wrapped up in some real politik excuse. If you are desperate, you will do what you are told. I feel for the Greek people who voted no to the bailout. They are the ones who have been truly cheated. It is another example of the loss of sovereignty Serbia can expect when and if it joins the EU. For a few crumbs from the table we have to bend over. A grubby little business.

Helsingborg: I believe that I have now worked it out. Greece recognises Kosovo, Serbia is upset but ameliorated by the opening of chapters. My mistake.

Greece has no reason not to recognize Kosova (other than their little brother Cyprus) and Greece is not opposed to Kosova's independence and never has been. Greece would never recognize Kosova unless they could gain from it, they're using recognition of Kosova as a bargaining chip. As the saying goes, why do something for free?

Greece is no longer a country! Greece is an EU colony; all decisions are made by unelected EU bodies behind the scene. Serbia, this is where you are headed if you join! All the lemmings sing: one by one we all follow the next off the cliff!

oh dear, I like how the media twists this, its not that Greece wants to recognise, its that they have no choice. Much poorer countries than Greece don't recognise Kosovo so this sort of argument doesn't fly. for what its worth, I doubt a recognition is forthcoming so it really doesn't matter

I wouldn't be surprised by the demands put on Greece by the empire, but summing the Greeks will recognise an independent Kosovo is just "pie in the sky"

Ned, apologies if I wasn't clear. Chapters for Serbia will be opened at around the same time as greeces recognition, possibly.

There is not a cat's chance in hell that the EU would jeopardise discussions about the Greek financial crisis by adding an unrelated and unnecessary condition. Whether or not there are separate discussions taking place linked to Macedonia (FYRoM for any Greeks reading this) I don't know.

Yes, the EU is still willing to help Serbs become less free, less wealthy and less in number. This mentality of we were bad and now we must be punished, repent and then join our oppressors is the height of ignorance! Russia has always done what it could to help Serbs and never once tried to bomb, oppress or dictate, can this be said of the West and their Balkan terror patsies? What did Russia get from Serbs? The only thing Russia needs from Serbs is a sure ally in Europe and here you are, playing the harlot with nations that want only your destruction. The EU is a supra-national German dominated want to be empire, Serbs will suffer greatly under this un-democratic fascist inspired entity, just look at your neighbors in the EU, are they doing well? Greece would be free and prosperous if it had sovereignty over its economy (control of money supply) but for now it must jump when the unelected EU government bodies dictate, is this what Serbs desire, to be dancing monkeys for Euros? Greece is no more, what about Serbia?

BTW B92, the headline is very easily open to misinterpretation:

"Recognition of Kosovo condition for Greece" - daily

It appears to be a fact but it is opinion/speculation.

Better:

Blić Opinion: "Recognition of Kosovo condition for Greece"

You know the majority of Greek voters were against the bailout, but then the Greece government turned around and folded to Germany's dictates.
The new aid is mostly to bail out the banks. The loan will be given so Greece can pay back those banks with it.
And when Greece took out the loans in the first place, most of it was not even going to the Greek people. The foreign banks were highly profiting off them, and the government was using most for itself and corrupt officials.

Helsingborg: Which country are you writing about? You mention recognition and debt relief and then talk about opening chapters. I thought the article was about Greece and your debt relief comment seem to indicate that you were on the same subject. So which chapters does Greece need to open as a full EU member?

Greece would never recognise, what precedent would that create for Cyprus? You try opening an embassy in Athens and it won't be left standing for 24 hours.

Nothing but speculation.

Which do these idiots think Greece will do first? Recognize Kosovo* or Macedonia?

MONEY TALKS. If that is true that Greece has to recognize Kosovo in order to receive the bailout money, shame on the western powers,but that is how the west works.
Shame on the Germans and the rest and Serbia needs to wake up.

If Serbia doesn't want Greece to recognize Kosovo then Serbia should pay some of Greece's debt.

The average Greek doesn't even know where Serbia or Kosovo are. They could care less about the recognition issue. They will do it if they benefit from it.

It would never become a condition - just a pressure. Greece would show terrible political weakness to go along with it if it was a black-mailing condition. Greece should stand by its long term policy on this matter.

Greece does need to be hard on itself financially. It is bad that it got into a financial mess, but for its own benefit it needs to get out of it.

It would never become a condition - just a pressure. Greece would show terrible political weakness to go along with it if it was a black-mailing condition. Greece should stand by its long term policy on this matter.

Greece does need to be hard on itself financially. It is bad that it got into a financial mess, but for its own benefit it needs to get out of it.

The Driver : “Greece is no longer a country! Greece is an EU colony”

Unfortunately you’re right so we cannot judge them strictly. They are prisoners of war now. But to tell the truth they almost never enjoyed a statehood of their own before 1813 when they became a colony this time of the Oldenburgs. If you remember who is the husband of Queen Elisabeth II then you must know that it wasn’t an accidental marriage. Because Windsor belong to the Hannover branch of the Oldenburgs while all the kings from this dynasty always married only the Oldenburgs or their braches. When we say Anglo-Saxon we mean the Oldenburgs and their Hanseatic League. And of course those were the Oldenburgs who created Greece in 19 century. All Oldenburg states (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Britain, Russia) had similar flags but for Greece they made a small exclusion. Yet the St.George’s Cross is also present here. Russian (for the fleet and the farts) and the British Union Jack were the same in early 19 century. And they contained also two St. Andrew Crosses each. What I mean is that from Oldenburg’s point the Greeks were independent only formally before WW2. Besides greater part of the Greeks remained outside this country and they speak almost different languages. Say in Donbass 30% of people are the Greeks and they have to learn the language when in Athens. Caucasus Greeks speak a language that is close to the Turkish.

As a Greek I was very pro-Serbian until the Serbian government started to call former Yugoslavians "Macedonians" and act like they don't notice their irredentism against Greece. Since state recognition apparently doesn't matter to current Serbian government, Greece should play by same rules and recognize Kosovo. Nothing personal against average Serbs. I would not have supported the recognition of Kosovo had it not been for the behavior of the current Serbian regime towards Greece on Skopje issue.

As a Greek I was very pro-Serbian until the Serbian government started to call former Yugoslavians "Macedonians" and act like they don't notice their irredentism against Greece. Since state recognition apparently doesn't matter to current Serbian government, Greece should play by same rules and recognize Kosovo. Nothing personal against average Serbs. I would not have supported the recognition of Kosovo had it not been for the behavior of the current Serbian regime towards Greece on Skopje issue.
(Greek, 16 August 2015 18:34)
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I understand your position on this. Unfortuantely Serbia is ruled and was rules by self service politicians. However, let's not try to put a wedge between the people because they airm to divide Orthodox people and it seems they are being successful.
Maybe it's time for people of Serbia to rise against their government but it would take something huge to make this happen because people of Serbia are worn out from wars, sanctions, bombings and betrayals. Some are just plain stupid as well.

Serbia should stop thinking it can get Kosovo back and that will help Serbia become a better country. I mean what are the chances that Serbia can have Kosovo back? You have the US base here. NATO and EU is growing decade by decade. Serbs will have only more problem if they see Kosovo as part of their country. Yes, you had this land for many years, yes, you did fight against Turks on this land BUT that does not mean it belongs to you if people who live on this land don't agree with you. Albanians have nothing to do with Serbs. I mean even Montenegro left Serbia because they could not stay with you guys. As for Greece, I think they will recognise Kosovo. I am an Albanian and I did DNA test on myself. I am actually half Albanian half Greek. You have religion that unites the Serbs with Greeks, then you have Blood that unites Albanians with Greeks. I wonder which one is more powerful. Let whole Balkan be in EU and enjoy freedom of movement. That will help us forget nationalism and maybe we don't hate each other anymore.

As a proud Greek I can say that at least Greece will never recognize FYROM, which should give our Serbian brothers some solace. Kosovo has basically been recognized by Greece since we started accepting Kosovo passports. Greek Serbian Orthodox Brotherhood will never die.

Greece is no longer a country! Greece is an EU colony; all decisions are made by unelected EU bodies behind the scene. Serbia, this is where you are headed if you join! All the lemmings sing: one by one we all follow the next off the cliff!
(The Driver, 14 August 2015 20:47) # Comment link

Can't you see the EU is the only organization willing to help Serbia. Russia slammed the door on Serbia's face many times, after getting what they wanted from us. We had been manipulated into following following the likes of Milosevic, where did that get us. Serbs cannot afford to waste any further time thinking like backward Balkan villagers. We must think of our children and future generations. We are being looked down on by the West with contempt for being such a self destructive people, yet they are still willing to help us. We must take the responsibility of our past mistakes and be thankful the West is willing to help us. What would happen to Greece if the West left them to their own devices.

Greece has no reason not to recognize Kosova (other than their little brother Cyprus) and Greece is not opposed to Kosova's independence and never has been. Greece would never recognize Kosova unless they could gain from it, they're using recognition of Kosova as a bargaining chip. As the saying goes, why do something for free?

You mean Vucic's best friends are going to make Greece do something that its own nation would be staunchly against and hurt Serbia?! Sorry, but I don't believe the "Friends of Serbia" would do something like that!

I can just imagine the conversations between the EU placemen in Greece and the Germans and Americans. Something like: Greeks: How do we sell this to the people? It is so obviously blackmail and they don't want it. We need the money but this is going to look bad.
Germans and Americans: Why not use the Macedonia thing. God knows nobody really cares or understands what it's all about. Anyway, in the long run you and the Albanians can split up Macedonia as you wish, now you'll be best buddies. As we say, the Serbs (and Orthodox) always lose. We'll throw them a bone to keep them quiet. And don't worry about the people. The threat of no food or medicine will soon convince them.

oh dear, I like how the media twists this, its not that Greece wants to recognise, its that they have no choice. Much poorer countries than Greece don't recognise Kosovo so this sort of argument doesn't fly. for what its worth, I doubt a recognition is forthcoming so it really doesn't matter

If its true, this recognition seems to be taking place due to blackmail and not a deeper philosophy.

Basically It's taking place for money.

it gets the recognition, but has little functional value. Forced marriage.

And on the Western side, a large amount of "political capital" is being spent to get just one additional recognition.

Interesting.

Nothing but speculation.

Which do these idiots think Greece will do first? Recognize Kosovo* or Macedonia?

Greece is no longer a country! Greece is an EU colony; all decisions are made by unelected EU bodies behind the scene. Serbia, this is where you are headed if you join! All the lemmings sing: one by one we all follow the next off the cliff!

Soros calls merkel and says put kosovo recognition in there. Perhaps even some debt relief if they go along. How to soften this brazen act of blackmail? Announce opening of chapters around the same time. Voila. Welcome to the not so wonderful world of the eu.
What Serbia needs to decide is do we subjugate ourselves for a little more security, better pensions and healthcare? Or do we go it alone, wait for the inevitable splintering of the EU and seek a better deal then.

Too much coincidence. They will have their pound of flesh, blackmail and diktat is what it mesns to be broke and at the mercy of the ecb and the treasury.
This will be wrapped up in some real politik excuse. If you are desperate, you will do what you are told. I feel for the Greek people who voted no to the bailout. They are the ones who have been truly cheated. It is another example of the loss of sovereignty Serbia can expect when and if it joins the EU. For a few crumbs from the table we have to bend over. A grubby little business.

I wouldn't be surprised by the demands put on Greece by the empire, but summing the Greeks will recognise an independent Kosovo is just "pie in the sky"

It would never become a condition - just a pressure. Greece would show terrible political weakness to go along with it if it was a black-mailing condition. Greece should stand by its long term policy on this matter.

Greece does need to be hard on itself financially. It is bad that it got into a financial mess, but for its own benefit it needs to get out of it.

It would never become a condition - just a pressure. Greece would show terrible political weakness to go along with it if it was a black-mailing condition. Greece should stand by its long term policy on this matter.

Greece does need to be hard on itself financially. It is bad that it got into a financial mess, but for its own benefit it needs to get out of it.

Greece would never recognise, what precedent would that create for Cyprus? You try opening an embassy in Athens and it won't be left standing for 24 hours.

MONEY TALKS. If that is true that Greece has to recognize Kosovo in order to receive the bailout money, shame on the western powers,but that is how the west works.
Shame on the Germans and the rest and Serbia needs to wake up.

You know the majority of Greek voters were against the bailout, but then the Greece government turned around and folded to Germany's dictates.
The new aid is mostly to bail out the banks. The loan will be given so Greece can pay back those banks with it.
And when Greece took out the loans in the first place, most of it was not even going to the Greek people. The foreign banks were highly profiting off them, and the government was using most for itself and corrupt officials.

If Serbia doesn't want Greece to recognize Kosovo then Serbia should pay some of Greece's debt.

BTW B92, the headline is very easily open to misinterpretation:

"Recognition of Kosovo condition for Greece" - daily

It appears to be a fact but it is opinion/speculation.

Better:

Blić Opinion: "Recognition of Kosovo condition for Greece"

There is not a cat's chance in hell that the EU would jeopardise discussions about the Greek financial crisis by adding an unrelated and unnecessary condition. Whether or not there are separate discussions taking place linked to Macedonia (FYRoM for any Greeks reading this) I don't know.

Yes, the EU is still willing to help Serbs become less free, less wealthy and less in number. This mentality of we were bad and now we must be punished, repent and then join our oppressors is the height of ignorance! Russia has always done what it could to help Serbs and never once tried to bomb, oppress or dictate, can this be said of the West and their Balkan terror patsies? What did Russia get from Serbs? The only thing Russia needs from Serbs is a sure ally in Europe and here you are, playing the harlot with nations that want only your destruction. The EU is a supra-national German dominated want to be empire, Serbs will suffer greatly under this un-democratic fascist inspired entity, just look at your neighbors in the EU, are they doing well? Greece would be free and prosperous if it had sovereignty over its economy (control of money supply) but for now it must jump when the unelected EU government bodies dictate, is this what Serbs desire, to be dancing monkeys for Euros? Greece is no more, what about Serbia?

The Driver : “Greece is no longer a country! Greece is an EU colony”

Unfortunately you’re right so we cannot judge them strictly. They are prisoners of war now. But to tell the truth they almost never enjoyed a statehood of their own before 1813 when they became a colony this time of the Oldenburgs. If you remember who is the husband of Queen Elisabeth II then you must know that it wasn’t an accidental marriage. Because Windsor belong to the Hannover branch of the Oldenburgs while all the kings from this dynasty always married only the Oldenburgs or their braches. When we say Anglo-Saxon we mean the Oldenburgs and their Hanseatic League. And of course those were the Oldenburgs who created Greece in 19 century. All Oldenburg states (Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Norway, Britain, Russia) had similar flags but for Greece they made a small exclusion. Yet the St.George’s Cross is also present here. Russian (for the fleet and the farts) and the British Union Jack were the same in early 19 century. And they contained also two St. Andrew Crosses each. What I mean is that from Oldenburg’s point the Greeks were independent only formally before WW2. Besides greater part of the Greeks remained outside this country and they speak almost different languages. Say in Donbass 30% of people are the Greeks and they have to learn the language when in Athens. Caucasus Greeks speak a language that is close to the Turkish.

As a Greek I was very pro-Serbian until the Serbian government started to call former Yugoslavians "Macedonians" and act like they don't notice their irredentism against Greece. Since state recognition apparently doesn't matter to current Serbian government, Greece should play by same rules and recognize Kosovo. Nothing personal against average Serbs. I would not have supported the recognition of Kosovo had it not been for the behavior of the current Serbian regime towards Greece on Skopje issue.
(Greek, 16 August 2015 18:34)
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I understand your position on this. Unfortuantely Serbia is ruled and was rules by self service politicians. However, let's not try to put a wedge between the people because they airm to divide Orthodox people and it seems they are being successful.
Maybe it's time for people of Serbia to rise against their government but it would take something huge to make this happen because people of Serbia are worn out from wars, sanctions, bombings and betrayals. Some are just plain stupid as well.

Ned, apologies if I wasn't clear. Chapters for Serbia will be opened at around the same time as greeces recognition, possibly.

As a Greek I was very pro-Serbian until the Serbian government started to call former Yugoslavians "Macedonians" and act like they don't notice their irredentism against Greece. Since state recognition apparently doesn't matter to current Serbian government, Greece should play by same rules and recognize Kosovo. Nothing personal against average Serbs. I would not have supported the recognition of Kosovo had it not been for the behavior of the current Serbian regime towards Greece on Skopje issue.

Helsingborg: Which country are you writing about? You mention recognition and debt relief and then talk about opening chapters. I thought the article was about Greece and your debt relief comment seem to indicate that you were on the same subject. So which chapters does Greece need to open as a full EU member?

The average Greek doesn't even know where Serbia or Kosovo are. They could care less about the recognition issue. They will do it if they benefit from it.

Helsingborg: I believe that I have now worked it out. Greece recognises Kosovo, Serbia is upset but ameliorated by the opening of chapters. My mistake.

As a proud Greek I can say that at least Greece will never recognize FYROM, which should give our Serbian brothers some solace. Kosovo has basically been recognized by Greece since we started accepting Kosovo passports. Greek Serbian Orthodox Brotherhood will never die.

Serbia should stop thinking it can get Kosovo back and that will help Serbia become a better country. I mean what are the chances that Serbia can have Kosovo back? You have the US base here. NATO and EU is growing decade by decade. Serbs will have only more problem if they see Kosovo as part of their country. Yes, you had this land for many years, yes, you did fight against Turks on this land BUT that does not mean it belongs to you if people who live on this land don't agree with you. Albanians have nothing to do with Serbs. I mean even Montenegro left Serbia because they could not stay with you guys. As for Greece, I think they will recognise Kosovo. I am an Albanian and I did DNA test on myself. I am actually half Albanian half Greek. You have religion that unites the Serbs with Greeks, then you have Blood that unites Albanians with Greeks. I wonder which one is more powerful. Let whole Balkan be in EU and enjoy freedom of movement. That will help us forget nationalism and maybe we don't hate each other anymore.