"British draft resolution mentions word 'genocide' 35 times"

Good job Tony Blair, keep it up, you know what I mean, The Final Solution, Demonization, Isolation and Extermination of all Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavic people! So Serbia is the bad guy and Roman Catholic Empire and islam the good guy's, RIGHT? You see my Serbian Brothers and Sisters how Satan likes to take every thing that is upright and turn it upside down! So only the tears and blood fell from the Croatians and Muslums, not even one Christian Eastern Orthodox Serbian was murdered, raped, tortured and displaced, is that accurate and correct Satan? And Serbian cival leaders continue to entertain Satan, Tony Blair invited to a tea party in Beograd!

We acknowledge that the British should mind their own business for once and condemn their own ravenous past.

Sorry, peace and reconciliation cannot be built on these terms. Let's hope Russia and China veto this monstrosity.

While there is no denying mass murder took place at Srebrenica as part of a larger civil war that witnessed the destruction of Yugoslavia, perhaps the need for the Brits to sound like they give a damn about human rights would be put to better use if they, oh I don't know, recognized the Armenian Genocide, which is far more applicable to the definition of "genocide" than this one episode of a civil war the West loves to politically latch on to.

Why dont the Americans develop a draft resolution condeming the genocide of the native American indians before pointing fingers at others?

I am an American.
The imposition of a viewpoint is totalitarianism.
Freedom allows for diverse viewpoints.
This is fascism plain and simple
Return to Sender and return the Elgin marbles to Greece.

PS: you can say it until you are blue in theface, Serbs do not agree that this was genocide and dispute the amount killed (just like your once inflated counts of war dead). They also dispute the definition that many of these were soldiers and were killed in an ambush in the firest where they tried to flee to Tuzla (fearing retribution for Oric's rampage against civilains).

Of course, the resolution does not go far enough, since Serbia under Milosevic committed genocide in Croatia, throughout Bosnia (Srebrenica horror massacre was a climax) and then Kosovo. But at least it says something, and does offer some basic respect to the many thousands of victims.

The resolution also stresses sexual violence (rape) which was systematic and widespread against Bosniak women and later Kosovar Albanian women, and also men from both groups. Most of the rape was designed by Serbian forces to humiliate the victims and try to destroy their futures, both as individuals and as a group. It was sick and evil and widespread, but they've 'forgotten' about it in your Serbian mainstream press... (See "The War against Women in Bosnia" among many other strong sources.)

As for the Belgrade press counting the number of times "genocide" is mentioned - ever get the feeling they miss the forest for the trees...

In general, it's a positive development, and I don't give a sh-t what some fascist piece like Put-in says or does, not to mention Do-dik!

Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s (unlike the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims) but we are denying it was genocide. Nikolic never said that Serbs are innocent so don't put words in his mouth.
(Peggy, 17 June 2015 01:15)
I Have to quit eating or drinking when reading B92, I get so choked on some to the things people have the nerve to write that I fear someday I may actually choke to death!

there is no mention at all of Serb victims - "only sympathy for all the victims in general."

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".

UK should think to its past. And present.
I can imagine Blair with his idiotic smile now feeling proud of himself. Half man. Coward man.

Hey Bam Bam,

What do you call thousands of dead Croatian Ustashe and Home Guard collaborators at Bleiburg?

A good start.

Death to Fascists.
Death to Fascism.

The British should have a look at their history for example the kills of all the naitive people of Tasmania in the island of Australia ,as well as killing people by mass in China,India,South Africa ,and Canada. Their failed in New Zealand ,Samoa and Tomga against warrior fighting countries.America as well should look at their mass killings in Vietnam, Korea,Panama,etc.

I wonder is the British are going to condemn themselves for committing genocide against indigenous peoples of America and Australia? not to mention how they expelled the entire population of the Chagos Islands so the US could turn it into a military base?

If being self righteous was a sport the UK would excel.

Roberto probably is the classical albanian who moved to Italy on a boat years ago and was once caught and expelled from the country. He's the classical albanian that moves abroad and decides "this land is my land" and keeps on behaving in the illegal way he was used too: stealing retirement to old women, robberies in stores, selling hashish and marijuana. Always wearing the same leather jacket and the same pair of blue-jeans that became gray-jeans. Normally you can see them at train stations in little group, or at the public gardens in some hidden areas, or living - all of them - in districts where you cannot see anymore Italians since they are tired to share life with those uncivilized people. Unfortunately Kater i Rades happened only once...

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".
(Mark, 16 June 2015 16:04)

I never knew Hitler's soldiers included ordinary people including children whose villages were burned to the ground and some of whom were nailed to crosses in mockery of their Christian faith by Muslim extremists while others had their heads cut off and used as footballs.

No one ever talks about what Nasir Oric's people did prior to Srebrenica.

The victim mentality of the heavenly crowd on show again. They kill innocnent civilians and then blame others for it.

@Peggy.

......and what would you call the massacre of 8,000 males aged 14-65 in a 24 hour period ? Of course it's Genocide. Are you so un-educated that you don't know that. How do you point a AK 47 at a group of young boys and cut them down like a pack of dogs...and you people supposedly believe in Christ... What a joke !

The Srebrenica genocide is the worst massacre of innocent victims since the Serb lead Partizans massacred Anti Communists at Blieburg field. 8,000 identified victims at Srebrenica. There is possibly another 8,000 bodies still unfound in the forest around Srebrenica due to minefields making it difficult for search teams to recover the rest of the bodies. Up to 20,000 people were likely killed in one day by Chetnik forces who were blessed by a toothless priest before the bloodshed. The next generation in every country around the world need to be taught about the Srebrenica massacre. May the innocent Bosniaks have revenge on war criminals in the after life !

The Srebrenica genocide is the worst massacre of innocent victims since the Serb lead Partizans massacred Anti Communists at Blieburg field. 8,000 identified victims at Srebrenica.
(Bam Bam, 16 June 2015 15:57)

Oh look at Bam Bam pathetically think a pile of dead Ustasha at the Croat-Nazi memorial in Bleiburg represents innocent victims. Who are you trying to kid here buddy boy?

Stupid Croat wannabe.

(Italian Serbophile, 17 June 2015 08:23)

Typical serb.
You must blame the poor Albanian as much as you want... HAPPY YOU!
But, this must not justify your CIVILIZED actions.
Do you know at least what civilization mean ?
You call yourself civilized? Look at you?
Albanians - those uncivilized people, no? Are fighting for a better future for himself and their children...
While you that call yourself CIVILIZATION PEOPLE are still fighting for LANDS even in this century, against all your neighbors.
I want to remind to you that you the CIVILIZED people, have caused at least 2 big wars to this civilization world.
So, who is more civilized, please ?
Grow up! And learn how to take responsibilities, not to find always justifications.

Belgrade newspapers Politika and Vecernje Novosti have published the draft British resolution that "condemns any denial of genocide in Srebrenica."

Seems it's specially made for Serbia, where even president Nicolic is in denial and prefers to downplay the worst massacre (with some 1000 people brutally executed) in Europe after WW2 as a 'crime' (like some burglary, or theft)

(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 16 June 2015 14:04)
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Are you a priest???
(Joni, 16 June 2015 17:10) No he is a Serb trained fascist chetnik http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=parot&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=E6DF1A775A1A332B22A5E6DF1A775A1A332B22A5 Parrot.

The two faced reality of British diplomacy! Serbs from diaspora return from these so called "friends" - Serbia needs you and the likes of the UK/US/West abuse and insult you! As a British born Serb who sees the truth of UK elites "Friendship" to Serbia I know its not that of the common Brit as the common Brit is equally downtrodden!

This is political, to put pressure on Serbia. Russia and China should veto it regardless of Serbia's position, which will undoubtedly be pressured as part of the opening of EU chapters.

The US and UK sopported something very similar to Srebrenica with about 8000 prisoners also but it was covered up and the mass graves removed in Afghanistan. The control of the media, however, made sure it was not covered in the US.

You can read more here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Massacre:_The_Convoy_of_Death

I think it's time Russia and China created a resolution in the UN to condemn this crime also.

“fascist piece like Put-in says or does, not to mention Do-dik!”
(roberto, 16 )

God save Italy from putting the Russian “it” in you ! I guess nostalgia makes you talk about fascism each time your body is filled with new poison. Because fascism is your Italian tribute to our history. As you must know Italy was the only European state that joined Hitler on his way to Stalingrad absolutely voluntarily. Idiots ! All others came here under the German pressure. But Benito was seeking for trophies so sure he was of the possible outcome. That’s how you thanked us for granting you independence after Napoleon. Yet things run bad when the Russians attacked the two weakest parts of the front in Stalingrad where 2-nd Italian and 4-th Romanian armies. When in a few days your defense minister came to Berlin to ask of the losses in the 2-nd army a German general told him : “No losses. The Russian simply cannot overtake (catch) them up”. You know why ? Because Italians always had tongues longer than their penises. They wrote fairy tales of the never existed Roman Empire on Apennines. You are good only when 5 armed Mafioso come and press one unarmed pizza cooker. Face to face you have no balls. And you never had them loosing every single battle in the past. Same as today when you bark from your safe place calling the two noble man fascists. I pity you …

Peggy,
Act like it was a big mystery!

Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s
(Peggy, 17 June 2015 01:15
Now to prove my point go through the posts published over the last week and multiply it by a million.
On just the subject of Srebrenica you get everything from denying it was genocide to there were only 300 executed. And all these 14 year olds were soldiers. They deserve what they got, etc, etc.
Then you deny everything you did in Kosovo but yet equate vandalism to abandoned grave yards and throwing stones at buses with Serbs raping, burying victims in mass graves, burning homes, the slaughter of husbands and fathers and brothers.
You have spent the few years that I have read the posts constantly DENYING that what Serbs have done are crimes.
You speak of hatred that others post, yet none equals the vile you type.

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".
(Mark, 16 June 2015 16:04)

No, it's like Germany demanding, when commemorating the holocaust, to honor the 100,000s of killed German civilians (by bombing or during the expulsion from their ancestral homes in regions that are now Russian, Polish or Baltic, and even from now Serbia), too. And the German president refusing to attend the commemoration otherwise.

The lie has to keep going or it will die. The lie that Muslims or Croats were the only victims. It has become an orgiastic wallowing in perpetual victimhood that handicaps any kind of future for the region. Look at the former Yugoslavia today and the victims are on all sides, but some are more politically expedient/important than others. It is a sad state of affairs when a country priding itself on fair play, puts up this kind of biased nonsense, when the truth is well known if hidden by the powers that be. But the truth will out, however hard western governments try and surpress it. The facts are clear. Not to mention the Uk army participated in the murder of Serb refugees fleeing the fighting in Kosovo.

Personally I do not see the need for this resolution put forward by 'my' Government but I do not agree with Dodik that criminalising genocide denial, either in BiH or elsewhere, places a burden on future generations to keep apologising; one sincere, heartfelt and unequivocal apology ought to be enough.
(ned taylor, 16 June 2015 17:43)
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Not sure what you mean here. Do you belive that genocide is the right word to use for what happened in Srebrenica? Are Serbs the only ones expected to apologise or do you think that others need to do the same?
I believe that crimes were committed by all sides and all sides need to apologise for that and blaming Serbs alone is not only inaccurate but counter productive. Putting lies in history books for future generations to learn is criminal becaue it victimises the Serbs all over again. Let's tell the whole truth not just the parts which suit western governments for if we don't we are lying.
So should Serbs go to Srebrenica and make their apologises without anyone else apologising for exact same crimes committed against the Serbs? Should they go to Srebrenica when it'll show that Serbia agrees that genocide took place there when that word was used for political reasons? If we measure genocide by what took place in Srebrenica then we must also put the same label on what happened to Serbs there too. We must identify Medak Pocket as genocide also. You can't create special rules for the Muslims only.

Serbia is losing a its battle for diplomacy. If Serbia had good Diplomatic Relations with the UK (or the WEST), there would be no talk of this resolution. It's just another part of the 'global control' game which has been ongoing since the 90's. Unfortunately Vucic is drawn into this and has to play the game. This is why Serbian solidarity needs to support Vucic at this time.

I spend a lot of time in Serbia and see the 'silly' politics within Serbia. A strong Politician with strong national political support does not agree with the West's plans so this is absolutely the right time for Serbia to show unity in the International Arena.

The West will do everything in its power to discredit Vucic and he and his people need to stand in unity.

@the actual truth

Whatever crime the eu is seeking to investigate in Kosovo, none of them are on the same scale as Srebrenica, something ONLY the heavenly band are responsible for, fact. You don't worry however, you have conspiracy theories to cling to

@ Peggy.
And what do you call allowing women and children to go? Genocide?
By allowing women and children to leave it clearly shows that wiping the Muslim out was not intended.
If the intention was not to kill off a certain group then how do you think genocide was committed? This is a political stunt and the west is making these absurd accusations.

You wiped out 8,000 men so they could never return to their loved ones. The only reason you never killed off the females was because you Chetniks tortured and raped hundreds if not thousands of women after the fall of Srebrenica / Foca / Zepa. For those women being dragged into the forest and repeatly raped by the half breed Vlachs is like a recieving a bullet in the head. So to answer your question, a form of genocide was committed on Muslim women of Bosnia. Are you aware that committing rape is against the Geneva Convention. Why can't you Serb 'Bastards' just say you sorry for what you have done '. If the Germans can apologise for what they did in WW2, I'm sure you Peggy and your un-shaven brothers can do the same.

Srebrenica is always in focus - and understandably so - but people often forget about all the other crimes committed against Muslims in eastern BiH dating back to the very beginning of the war: Bijeljina, Zvornik, Bratunac, Vlasenica, Visegrad, Foca, etc.

And that was just eastern Bosnia. To the north and west: Banja Luka, Prijedor, and many others. By a fairly early point in the war, Serbs controlled two-thirds of BiH, despite being a nation that only made up about a third of the pre-war population. And remember, they were fighting both Muslims and Croats. Having accomplished that, it would be difficult to see how they were victimized anywhere near as badly as Muslims.

This is the typical scenario of the one side creating a false equivalency. Yes Oric killed many around Srebrenica, but one should view the war in larger context. It wasn't fought solely around Srebrenica.

In any case, I would expect to see the usual adversarial vetoes coming from Serbia's friends to the east. And while Serbia clearly takes offense at the draft resolution, she can still be thankful for the fact that she got off lightly in the genocide suit brought by BiH, for I rather doubt that many who followed the Balkans wars of the 90s believed for one second that Serbia played no material role in the Srebrenica massacre in 1995.

Seems it's specially made for Serbia, where even president Nicolic is in denial and prefers to downplay the worst massacre (with some 1000 people brutally executed) in Europe after WW2 as a 'crime' (like some burglary, or theft)
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 June 2015 15:19
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Nobody is denying that crimes took place but genocide did NOT take place there. There is a difference which you obviously are not capable of seeing here. Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s (unlike the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims) but we are denying it was genocide. Nikolic never said that Serbs are innocent so don't put words in his mouth.

Personally I do not see the need for this resolution put forward by 'my' Government but I do not agree with Dodik that criminalising genocide denial, either in BiH or elsewhere, places a burden on future generations to keep apologising; one sincere, heartfelt and unequivocal apology ought to be enough. It would be best if we focussed on improving citizens every day lives once this anniversary has been marked.

Serbian president Nikolic went to Armenia during 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. Lets see what he will do about 20th Srebrenica anniversary knowing he was involved in committing that heinous crime. During the war he was involved together with Seselj and Vucic in crimes against Bosnians.

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".
(Mark, 16 June 2015 16:04)

I never knew Hitler's soldiers included ordinary people including children whose villages were burned to the ground and some of whom were nailed to crosses in mockery of their Christian faith by Muslim extremists while others had their heads cut off and used as footballs.

No one ever talks about what Nasir Oric's people did prior to Srebrenica.
(the actual truth, 16 June 2015 17:45)
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That's because some victims are worth more than others.The west has control of western media all around the world so their friends are never guilty of anything and if you live inthe west you are not likely to ever know the truth.

Roberto,

The imposition of any viewpoint is fascism. Period.
The only fascists here are viewpoints like yours.
Serbs from Serbia and the Diaspora reject this blunt little political tool
Return to Sender. Serbs will never agree no matter how hard you push.
And the harder you push, the more belligerant we become. Look back on our history and you will see this for yourself.
Let us know when you want to have a rael discussion about it.

(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 16 June 2015 14:04)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLRqzTp6Rk&index=40&list=PLDXjIyFRkL3JPm-vm3vcS-E_7zs-K50SD

Are you a priest???

They kill innocnent civilians and then blame others for it.
(nikolle, 16 June 2015 19:35)

So that then puts them on par with Croats, Bosnians, and of course Albanians? Good to know Serbs are just as good as everyone else, or everyone is just as depraved as the heavenly people.

Good luck with those demonstrations in Pristina trying to block the war crimes tribunal the EU is going to establish regardless of what you do.

I have just returned to the posts on this subject from yesterday and it is very sad that this subject has been hijacked by 'relationships between Kosovo / Serbia'.

It shows that 'Srebrenica' is a pawn in a much larger game.

I was here in Yugoslavia in 1993/95 with International observers and every normal thinking person foresaw this.....nationalists taking over in every corner of Yugoslavia and years of suffering for ordinary honest citizens.

And guess what, the game goes on.....and on....and on, and every time things appear to be normalising bring out the national flags and their bearers.

25 YEARS OF MISERY

Peggy,
"I do deny that Srebrenica was genocide but where did I ever claim that 300 were executed? Either produce the proof or shut up."

Sometimes I forget who I am speaking to, if we were in a conversation I could speak slowly so you could understand what I say. As this is written and my typing slower means nothing maybe you could read it a little slower.
I said to read the posts over the last week, I did not say your posts and in one of those posts someone claimed the actual number was 300.
Shut up is not a phrase you should ever say to someone else, but maybe one that should sound in your head as you speak!

Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s (unlike the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims) but we are denying it was genocide. Nikolic never said that Serbs are innocent so don't put words in his mouth.
(Peggy, 17 June 2015 01:15)
I Have to quit eating or drinking when reading B92, I get so choked on some to the things people have the nerve to write that I fear someday I may actually choke to death!
(All choked up, 17 June 2015 14:47
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So what exactly is inaccurate in what I said and why? If you are going to cut/paste part of my comment then please address what you find wrong with it rather than make a silly statement which doesn't say anything. As far as eating and drinking, please don't stop on my account.

@Peggy.

......and what would you call the massacre of 8,000 males aged 14-65 in a 24 hour period ? Of course it's Genocide. Are you so un-educated that you don't know that
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And what do you call allowing women and children to go? Genocide?
By allowing women and children to leave it clearly shows that wiping the Muslim out was not intended.
If the intention was not to kill off a certain group then how do you think genocide was committed? This is a political stunt and the west is making these absurd accusations.
Not everyone will agree with the US and their mates.

Soldiers, not 'men and boys'. It's all there in the Bosnian missing persons and the war dead project based in Sarajevo in black and white. 8,000 'executed' is also bs.
(Yet Again, 19 June 2015 22:20)
Exactly WHY the resolution must be passed, as Serbs deny what really happened. Then only those who deny will be shamed by the world not those who feel remorse.

ever get the feeling they miss the forest for the trees...
(roberto, 16 June 2015 23:18)

your name is pretty much synonymous with it, frisco.

While busy counting the number of times the word "genocide" appeared, they did not seem to find it worthy to mention that neither "Serbia" nor "Serbs" are mentioned in the draft resolution.

Serbs not being mentioned is the problem! But Serbia needs to just build a monument to victims of naser oric and let the resolution pass.

You have spent the few years that I have read the posts constantly DENYING that what Serbs have done are crimes.
You speak of hatred that others post, yet none equals the vile you type.
(all choked up, 18 June 2015 14:22
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I do deny that Srebrenica was genocide but where did I ever claim that 300 were executed? Either produce the proof or shut up. Again, when did I deny that Serbs killed people in Kosovo? As far as destroying cemeteries and attacks on civilians after the war, that is the truth. Show me where Serbs are doing the same to Albanians in Kosovo, even in Northern Kosovo where Serbs are a majority thiese things don't happen.
I have always stated that all sides committed crimes and all sides have victims but it seems that you didn't bother reading those bits. By saying that all sides are guilty and all sides have victims is NOT denying anything but only stating that you should admit your crimes. So before you start preaching to me about admitting guilt maybe it is YOU who should make some admissions.
You didn't even bother to address the points in my post and yet you are accusing me of not accepting any responsibility.
So either show me where I stated that Serbs didn't commit any crimes or stop writing garbage. If I ask that your lot and others take responsibility for their crimes it doesn't mean that I am denying Serbian crimes. What is vile about that?

What's wrong with denial when the truth of the matter is at question? A lot of the numbers, including 8,000 dead, are ridiculously higher than the actual ones (even higher than in some Bosnian government military records, and those are EXTREMELY biased).

Also, you can't just continue to assault Serbs without giving evidence and without thinking it through. Serbs CERTAINLY weren't the only perpetrators, if you've heard of what happened at Bratunac and at surrounding villages around Srebrenica. These cases are countless throughout the war, as are cases of Croats killing Bosniaks, Bosniaks killing Croats, and Serbs killing Bosniaks (I'm not denying that).

Stop attacking solely Serbs because your mind has to justify the world and to make it all look black and white. Truly, the world isn't black and white, and a whole lot of Serbs and other former Yugoslavs have learned this. Life is gray, and it's time for the citizens of the "civilized and intellectual" Western world to learn this. Westerners, you really DON'T know what you're talking about. Don't pick a side, please. Stop meddling in and leave the Balkans and all its inhabitants to themselves. You aren't helping.

Peggy: What I meant was this. Dodik believes that having a law that prevented genocide denial was equivalent to saying that Serbs had to continually apologise for Srebrenica. My point, as I made very clear, relates to all genocide denial laws not specifically Srebrenica. If the first apology is unequivocal and heartfelt then there is no reasonable expectation that further such apologies will follow. All that genocide denial laws do is to criminalise denial of genocide, they do not make it compulsory to DO anything, simply not to deny genocide. Personally I would not make an offence of this, the person concerned brings opprobrium upon themselves and society could do without the expense of prosecuting such people. I have already made my views clear about the bringing forward of this resolution. Whilst I do not disagree with the majority of the content I believe it to be unnecessary and potentially counterproductive. Furthermore it simply repeats what many NGOs and others having been saying for the past 2 decades and adds little or nothing to the process of healing.

Soldiers, not 'men and boys'. It's all there in the Bosnian missing persons and the war dead project based in Sarajevo in black and white. 8,000 'executed' is also bs.

Why bother to tell the truth about anything when "Big Brother" admits before the fact that you will be censored. Forget about it! This is just another publication by the evil forces occupying Serbia today.

The moderator "BIG BROTHER" will decide if my comments "deserve" posting - you just proved my point - don't post comments with this fascist publication - they will only post what is POLITICALLY CORRECT. Fuck em'!

The Srebrenica genocide is the worst massacre of innocent victims since the Serb lead Partizans massacred Anti Communists at Blieburg field. 8,000 identified victims at Srebrenica. There is possibly another 8,000 bodies still unfound in the forest around Srebrenica due to minefields making it difficult for search teams to recover the rest of the bodies. Up to 20,000 people were likely killed in one day by Chetnik forces who were blessed by a toothless priest before the bloodshed. The next generation in every country around the world need to be taught about the Srebrenica massacre. May the innocent Bosniaks have revenge on war criminals in the after life !

there is no mention at all of Serb victims - "only sympathy for all the victims in general."

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".

Good job Tony Blair, keep it up, you know what I mean, The Final Solution, Demonization, Isolation and Extermination of all Christian Eastern Orthodox Slavic people! So Serbia is the bad guy and Roman Catholic Empire and islam the good guy's, RIGHT? You see my Serbian Brothers and Sisters how Satan likes to take every thing that is upright and turn it upside down! So only the tears and blood fell from the Croatians and Muslums, not even one Christian Eastern Orthodox Serbian was murdered, raped, tortured and displaced, is that accurate and correct Satan? And Serbian cival leaders continue to entertain Satan, Tony Blair invited to a tea party in Beograd!

Belgrade newspapers Politika and Vecernje Novosti have published the draft British resolution that "condemns any denial of genocide in Srebrenica."

Seems it's specially made for Serbia, where even president Nicolic is in denial and prefers to downplay the worst massacre (with some 1000 people brutally executed) in Europe after WW2 as a 'crime' (like some burglary, or theft)

Sorry, peace and reconciliation cannot be built on these terms. Let's hope Russia and China veto this monstrosity.

Of course, the resolution does not go far enough, since Serbia under Milosevic committed genocide in Croatia, throughout Bosnia (Srebrenica horror massacre was a climax) and then Kosovo. But at least it says something, and does offer some basic respect to the many thousands of victims.

The resolution also stresses sexual violence (rape) which was systematic and widespread against Bosniak women and later Kosovar Albanian women, and also men from both groups. Most of the rape was designed by Serbian forces to humiliate the victims and try to destroy their futures, both as individuals and as a group. It was sick and evil and widespread, but they've 'forgotten' about it in your Serbian mainstream press... (See "The War against Women in Bosnia" among many other strong sources.)

As for the Belgrade press counting the number of times "genocide" is mentioned - ever get the feeling they miss the forest for the trees...

In general, it's a positive development, and I don't give a sh-t what some fascist piece like Put-in says or does, not to mention Do-dik!

We acknowledge that the British should mind their own business for once and condemn their own ravenous past.

“fascist piece like Put-in says or does, not to mention Do-dik!”
(roberto, 16 )

God save Italy from putting the Russian “it” in you ! I guess nostalgia makes you talk about fascism each time your body is filled with new poison. Because fascism is your Italian tribute to our history. As you must know Italy was the only European state that joined Hitler on his way to Stalingrad absolutely voluntarily. Idiots ! All others came here under the German pressure. But Benito was seeking for trophies so sure he was of the possible outcome. That’s how you thanked us for granting you independence after Napoleon. Yet things run bad when the Russians attacked the two weakest parts of the front in Stalingrad where 2-nd Italian and 4-th Romanian armies. When in a few days your defense minister came to Berlin to ask of the losses in the 2-nd army a German general told him : “No losses. The Russian simply cannot overtake (catch) them up”. You know why ? Because Italians always had tongues longer than their penises. They wrote fairy tales of the never existed Roman Empire on Apennines. You are good only when 5 armed Mafioso come and press one unarmed pizza cooker. Face to face you have no balls. And you never had them loosing every single battle in the past. Same as today when you bark from your safe place calling the two noble man fascists. I pity you …

(Italian Serbophile, 17 June 2015 08:23)

Typical serb.
You must blame the poor Albanian as much as you want... HAPPY YOU!
But, this must not justify your CIVILIZED actions.
Do you know at least what civilization mean ?
You call yourself civilized? Look at you?
Albanians - those uncivilized people, no? Are fighting for a better future for himself and their children...
While you that call yourself CIVILIZATION PEOPLE are still fighting for LANDS even in this century, against all your neighbors.
I want to remind to you that you the CIVILIZED people, have caused at least 2 big wars to this civilization world.
So, who is more civilized, please ?
Grow up! And learn how to take responsibilities, not to find always justifications.

@Peggy.

......and what would you call the massacre of 8,000 males aged 14-65 in a 24 hour period ? Of course it's Genocide. Are you so un-educated that you don't know that. How do you point a AK 47 at a group of young boys and cut them down like a pack of dogs...and you people supposedly believe in Christ... What a joke !

(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 16 June 2015 14:04)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLRqzTp6Rk&index=40&list=PLDXjIyFRkL3JPm-vm3vcS-E_7zs-K50SD

Are you a priest???

Srebrenica is always in focus - and understandably so - but people often forget about all the other crimes committed against Muslims in eastern BiH dating back to the very beginning of the war: Bijeljina, Zvornik, Bratunac, Vlasenica, Visegrad, Foca, etc.

And that was just eastern Bosnia. To the north and west: Banja Luka, Prijedor, and many others. By a fairly early point in the war, Serbs controlled two-thirds of BiH, despite being a nation that only made up about a third of the pre-war population. And remember, they were fighting both Muslims and Croats. Having accomplished that, it would be difficult to see how they were victimized anywhere near as badly as Muslims.

This is the typical scenario of the one side creating a false equivalency. Yes Oric killed many around Srebrenica, but one should view the war in larger context. It wasn't fought solely around Srebrenica.

In any case, I would expect to see the usual adversarial vetoes coming from Serbia's friends to the east. And while Serbia clearly takes offense at the draft resolution, she can still be thankful for the fact that she got off lightly in the genocide suit brought by BiH, for I rather doubt that many who followed the Balkans wars of the 90s believed for one second that Serbia played no material role in the Srebrenica massacre in 1995.

Roberto probably is the classical albanian who moved to Italy on a boat years ago and was once caught and expelled from the country. He's the classical albanian that moves abroad and decides "this land is my land" and keeps on behaving in the illegal way he was used too: stealing retirement to old women, robberies in stores, selling hashish and marijuana. Always wearing the same leather jacket and the same pair of blue-jeans that became gray-jeans. Normally you can see them at train stations in little group, or at the public gardens in some hidden areas, or living - all of them - in districts where you cannot see anymore Italians since they are tired to share life with those uncivilized people. Unfortunately Kater i Rades happened only once...

I am an American.
The imposition of a viewpoint is totalitarianism.
Freedom allows for diverse viewpoints.
This is fascism plain and simple
Return to Sender and return the Elgin marbles to Greece.

PS: you can say it until you are blue in theface, Serbs do not agree that this was genocide and dispute the amount killed (just like your once inflated counts of war dead). They also dispute the definition that many of these were soldiers and were killed in an ambush in the firest where they tried to flee to Tuzla (fearing retribution for Oric's rampage against civilains).

Why dont the Americans develop a draft resolution condeming the genocide of the native American indians before pointing fingers at others?

While there is no denying mass murder took place at Srebrenica as part of a larger civil war that witnessed the destruction of Yugoslavia, perhaps the need for the Brits to sound like they give a damn about human rights would be put to better use if they, oh I don't know, recognized the Armenian Genocide, which is far more applicable to the definition of "genocide" than this one episode of a civil war the West loves to politically latch on to.

The lie has to keep going or it will die. The lie that Muslims or Croats were the only victims. It has become an orgiastic wallowing in perpetual victimhood that handicaps any kind of future for the region. Look at the former Yugoslavia today and the victims are on all sides, but some are more politically expedient/important than others. It is a sad state of affairs when a country priding itself on fair play, puts up this kind of biased nonsense, when the truth is well known if hidden by the powers that be. But the truth will out, however hard western governments try and surpress it. The facts are clear. Not to mention the Uk army participated in the murder of Serb refugees fleeing the fighting in Kosovo.

The Srebrenica genocide is the worst massacre of innocent victims since the Serb lead Partizans massacred Anti Communists at Blieburg field. 8,000 identified victims at Srebrenica.
(Bam Bam, 16 June 2015 15:57)

Oh look at Bam Bam pathetically think a pile of dead Ustasha at the Croat-Nazi memorial in Bleiburg represents innocent victims. Who are you trying to kid here buddy boy?

Stupid Croat wannabe.

Hey Bam Bam,

What do you call thousands of dead Croatian Ustashe and Home Guard collaborators at Bleiburg?

A good start.

Death to Fascists.
Death to Fascism.

I wonder is the British are going to condemn themselves for committing genocide against indigenous peoples of America and Australia? not to mention how they expelled the entire population of the Chagos Islands so the US could turn it into a military base?

If being self righteous was a sport the UK would excel.

Seems it's specially made for Serbia, where even president Nicolic is in denial and prefers to downplay the worst massacre (with some 1000 people brutally executed) in Europe after WW2 as a 'crime' (like some burglary, or theft)
(Comm. Parrisson, 16 June 2015 15:19
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Nobody is denying that crimes took place but genocide did NOT take place there. There is a difference which you obviously are not capable of seeing here. Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s (unlike the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims) but we are denying it was genocide. Nikolic never said that Serbs are innocent so don't put words in his mouth.

They kill innocnent civilians and then blame others for it.
(nikolle, 16 June 2015 19:35)

So that then puts them on par with Croats, Bosnians, and of course Albanians? Good to know Serbs are just as good as everyone else, or everyone is just as depraved as the heavenly people.

Good luck with those demonstrations in Pristina trying to block the war crimes tribunal the EU is going to establish regardless of what you do.

Serbia is losing a its battle for diplomacy. If Serbia had good Diplomatic Relations with the UK (or the WEST), there would be no talk of this resolution. It's just another part of the 'global control' game which has been ongoing since the 90's. Unfortunately Vucic is drawn into this and has to play the game. This is why Serbian solidarity needs to support Vucic at this time.

I spend a lot of time in Serbia and see the 'silly' politics within Serbia. A strong Politician with strong national political support does not agree with the West's plans so this is absolutely the right time for Serbia to show unity in the International Arena.

The West will do everything in its power to discredit Vucic and he and his people need to stand in unity.

@Peggy.

......and what would you call the massacre of 8,000 males aged 14-65 in a 24 hour period ? Of course it's Genocide. Are you so un-educated that you don't know that
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And what do you call allowing women and children to go? Genocide?
By allowing women and children to leave it clearly shows that wiping the Muslim out was not intended.
If the intention was not to kill off a certain group then how do you think genocide was committed? This is a political stunt and the west is making these absurd accusations.
Not everyone will agree with the US and their mates.

The victim mentality of the heavenly crowd on show again. They kill innocnent civilians and then blame others for it.

UK should think to its past. And present.
I can imagine Blair with his idiotic smile now feeling proud of himself. Half man. Coward man.

@the actual truth

Whatever crime the eu is seeking to investigate in Kosovo, none of them are on the same scale as Srebrenica, something ONLY the heavenly band are responsible for, fact. You don't worry however, you have conspiracy theories to cling to

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".
(Mark, 16 June 2015 16:04)

I never knew Hitler's soldiers included ordinary people including children whose villages were burned to the ground and some of whom were nailed to crosses in mockery of their Christian faith by Muslim extremists while others had their heads cut off and used as footballs.

No one ever talks about what Nasir Oric's people did prior to Srebrenica.

The British should have a look at their history for example the kills of all the naitive people of Tasmania in the island of Australia ,as well as killing people by mass in China,India,South Africa ,and Canada. Their failed in New Zealand ,Samoa and Tomga against warrior fighting countries.America as well should look at their mass killings in Vietnam, Korea,Panama,etc.

You have spent the few years that I have read the posts constantly DENYING that what Serbs have done are crimes.
You speak of hatred that others post, yet none equals the vile you type.
(all choked up, 18 June 2015 14:22
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I do deny that Srebrenica was genocide but where did I ever claim that 300 were executed? Either produce the proof or shut up. Again, when did I deny that Serbs killed people in Kosovo? As far as destroying cemeteries and attacks on civilians after the war, that is the truth. Show me where Serbs are doing the same to Albanians in Kosovo, even in Northern Kosovo where Serbs are a majority thiese things don't happen.
I have always stated that all sides committed crimes and all sides have victims but it seems that you didn't bother reading those bits. By saying that all sides are guilty and all sides have victims is NOT denying anything but only stating that you should admit your crimes. So before you start preaching to me about admitting guilt maybe it is YOU who should make some admissions.
You didn't even bother to address the points in my post and yet you are accusing me of not accepting any responsibility.
So either show me where I stated that Serbs didn't commit any crimes or stop writing garbage. If I ask that your lot and others take responsibility for their crimes it doesn't mean that I am denying Serbian crimes. What is vile about that?

The two faced reality of British diplomacy! Serbs from diaspora return from these so called "friends" - Serbia needs you and the likes of the UK/US/West abuse and insult you! As a British born Serb who sees the truth of UK elites "Friendship" to Serbia I know its not that of the common Brit as the common Brit is equally downtrodden!

Personally I do not see the need for this resolution put forward by 'my' Government but I do not agree with Dodik that criminalising genocide denial, either in BiH or elsewhere, places a burden on future generations to keep apologising; one sincere, heartfelt and unequivocal apology ought to be enough.
(ned taylor, 16 June 2015 17:43)
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Not sure what you mean here. Do you belive that genocide is the right word to use for what happened in Srebrenica? Are Serbs the only ones expected to apologise or do you think that others need to do the same?
I believe that crimes were committed by all sides and all sides need to apologise for that and blaming Serbs alone is not only inaccurate but counter productive. Putting lies in history books for future generations to learn is criminal becaue it victimises the Serbs all over again. Let's tell the whole truth not just the parts which suit western governments for if we don't we are lying.
So should Serbs go to Srebrenica and make their apologises without anyone else apologising for exact same crimes committed against the Serbs? Should they go to Srebrenica when it'll show that Serbia agrees that genocide took place there when that word was used for political reasons? If we measure genocide by what took place in Srebrenica then we must also put the same label on what happened to Serbs there too. We must identify Medak Pocket as genocide also. You can't create special rules for the Muslims only.

ever get the feeling they miss the forest for the trees...
(roberto, 16 June 2015 23:18)

your name is pretty much synonymous with it, frisco.

Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s (unlike the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims) but we are denying it was genocide. Nikolic never said that Serbs are innocent so don't put words in his mouth.
(Peggy, 17 June 2015 01:15)
I Have to quit eating or drinking when reading B92, I get so choked on some to the things people have the nerve to write that I fear someday I may actually choke to death!

This is political, to put pressure on Serbia. Russia and China should veto it regardless of Serbia's position, which will undoubtedly be pressured as part of the opening of EU chapters.

The US and UK sopported something very similar to Srebrenica with about 8000 prisoners also but it was covered up and the mass graves removed in Afghanistan. The control of the media, however, made sure it was not covered in the US.

You can read more here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_Massacre:_The_Convoy_of_Death

I think it's time Russia and China created a resolution in the UN to condemn this crime also.

Roberto,

The imposition of any viewpoint is fascism. Period.
The only fascists here are viewpoints like yours.
Serbs from Serbia and the Diaspora reject this blunt little political tool
Return to Sender. Serbs will never agree no matter how hard you push.
And the harder you push, the more belligerant we become. Look back on our history and you will see this for yourself.
Let us know when you want to have a rael discussion about it.

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".
(Mark, 16 June 2015 16:04)

I never knew Hitler's soldiers included ordinary people including children whose villages were burned to the ground and some of whom were nailed to crosses in mockery of their Christian faith by Muslim extremists while others had their heads cut off and used as footballs.

No one ever talks about what Nasir Oric's people did prior to Srebrenica.
(the actual truth, 16 June 2015 17:45)
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That's because some victims are worth more than others.The west has control of western media all around the world so their friends are never guilty of anything and if you live inthe west you are not likely to ever know the truth.

Soldiers, not 'men and boys'. It's all there in the Bosnian missing persons and the war dead project based in Sarajevo in black and white. 8,000 'executed' is also bs.

(Dragoljub Djurkovic, 16 June 2015 14:04)
[link]

Are you a priest???
(Joni, 16 June 2015 17:10) No he is a Serb trained fascist chetnik http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=parot&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=E6DF1A775A1A332B22A5E6DF1A775A1A332B22A5 Parrot.

Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s (unlike the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnian Muslims) but we are denying it was genocide. Nikolic never said that Serbs are innocent so don't put words in his mouth.
(Peggy, 17 June 2015 01:15)
I Have to quit eating or drinking when reading B92, I get so choked on some to the things people have the nerve to write that I fear someday I may actually choke to death!
(All choked up, 17 June 2015 14:47
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So what exactly is inaccurate in what I said and why? If you are going to cut/paste part of my comment then please address what you find wrong with it rather than make a silly statement which doesn't say anything. As far as eating and drinking, please don't stop on my account.

Serbian president Nikolic went to Armenia during 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide. Lets see what he will do about 20th Srebrenica anniversary knowing he was involved in committing that heinous crime. During the war he was involved together with Seselj and Vucic in crimes against Bosnians.

Serbs not being mentioned is the problem! But Serbia needs to just build a monument to victims of naser oric and let the resolution pass.

@ Peggy.
And what do you call allowing women and children to go? Genocide?
By allowing women and children to leave it clearly shows that wiping the Muslim out was not intended.
If the intention was not to kill off a certain group then how do you think genocide was committed? This is a political stunt and the west is making these absurd accusations.

You wiped out 8,000 men so they could never return to their loved ones. The only reason you never killed off the females was because you Chetniks tortured and raped hundreds if not thousands of women after the fall of Srebrenica / Foca / Zepa. For those women being dragged into the forest and repeatly raped by the half breed Vlachs is like a recieving a bullet in the head. So to answer your question, a form of genocide was committed on Muslim women of Bosnia. Are you aware that committing rape is against the Geneva Convention. Why can't you Serb 'Bastards' just say you sorry for what you have done '. If the Germans can apologise for what they did in WW2, I'm sure you Peggy and your un-shaven brothers can do the same.

Idiotic. This is the same as saying " There should be sympathy for Hitler's soldiers and supporters not only for Hitler's victims".
(Mark, 16 June 2015 16:04)

No, it's like Germany demanding, when commemorating the holocaust, to honor the 100,000s of killed German civilians (by bombing or during the expulsion from their ancestral homes in regions that are now Russian, Polish or Baltic, and even from now Serbia), too. And the German president refusing to attend the commemoration otherwise.

While busy counting the number of times the word "genocide" appeared, they did not seem to find it worthy to mention that neither "Serbia" nor "Serbs" are mentioned in the draft resolution.

Peggy,
Act like it was a big mystery!

Serbs have never denied their part in crimes during the 90s
(Peggy, 17 June 2015 01:15
Now to prove my point go through the posts published over the last week and multiply it by a million.
On just the subject of Srebrenica you get everything from denying it was genocide to there were only 300 executed. And all these 14 year olds were soldiers. They deserve what they got, etc, etc.
Then you deny everything you did in Kosovo but yet equate vandalism to abandoned grave yards and throwing stones at buses with Serbs raping, burying victims in mass graves, burning homes, the slaughter of husbands and fathers and brothers.
You have spent the few years that I have read the posts constantly DENYING that what Serbs have done are crimes.
You speak of hatred that others post, yet none equals the vile you type.

Personally I do not see the need for this resolution put forward by 'my' Government but I do not agree with Dodik that criminalising genocide denial, either in BiH or elsewhere, places a burden on future generations to keep apologising; one sincere, heartfelt and unequivocal apology ought to be enough. It would be best if we focussed on improving citizens every day lives once this anniversary has been marked.

I have just returned to the posts on this subject from yesterday and it is very sad that this subject has been hijacked by 'relationships between Kosovo / Serbia'.

It shows that 'Srebrenica' is a pawn in a much larger game.

I was here in Yugoslavia in 1993/95 with International observers and every normal thinking person foresaw this.....nationalists taking over in every corner of Yugoslavia and years of suffering for ordinary honest citizens.

And guess what, the game goes on.....and on....and on, and every time things appear to be normalising bring out the national flags and their bearers.

25 YEARS OF MISERY

Soldiers, not 'men and boys'. It's all there in the Bosnian missing persons and the war dead project based in Sarajevo in black and white. 8,000 'executed' is also bs.
(Yet Again, 19 June 2015 22:20)
Exactly WHY the resolution must be passed, as Serbs deny what really happened. Then only those who deny will be shamed by the world not those who feel remorse.

Peggy: What I meant was this. Dodik believes that having a law that prevented genocide denial was equivalent to saying that Serbs had to continually apologise for Srebrenica. My point, as I made very clear, relates to all genocide denial laws not specifically Srebrenica. If the first apology is unequivocal and heartfelt then there is no reasonable expectation that further such apologies will follow. All that genocide denial laws do is to criminalise denial of genocide, they do not make it compulsory to DO anything, simply not to deny genocide. Personally I would not make an offence of this, the person concerned brings opprobrium upon themselves and society could do without the expense of prosecuting such people. I have already made my views clear about the bringing forward of this resolution. Whilst I do not disagree with the majority of the content I believe it to be unnecessary and potentially counterproductive. Furthermore it simply repeats what many NGOs and others having been saying for the past 2 decades and adds little or nothing to the process of healing.

Peggy,
"I do deny that Srebrenica was genocide but where did I ever claim that 300 were executed? Either produce the proof or shut up."

Sometimes I forget who I am speaking to, if we were in a conversation I could speak slowly so you could understand what I say. As this is written and my typing slower means nothing maybe you could read it a little slower.
I said to read the posts over the last week, I did not say your posts and in one of those posts someone claimed the actual number was 300.
Shut up is not a phrase you should ever say to someone else, but maybe one that should sound in your head as you speak!

What's wrong with denial when the truth of the matter is at question? A lot of the numbers, including 8,000 dead, are ridiculously higher than the actual ones (even higher than in some Bosnian government military records, and those are EXTREMELY biased).

Also, you can't just continue to assault Serbs without giving evidence and without thinking it through. Serbs CERTAINLY weren't the only perpetrators, if you've heard of what happened at Bratunac and at surrounding villages around Srebrenica. These cases are countless throughout the war, as are cases of Croats killing Bosniaks, Bosniaks killing Croats, and Serbs killing Bosniaks (I'm not denying that).

Stop attacking solely Serbs because your mind has to justify the world and to make it all look black and white. Truly, the world isn't black and white, and a whole lot of Serbs and other former Yugoslavs have learned this. Life is gray, and it's time for the citizens of the "civilized and intellectual" Western world to learn this. Westerners, you really DON'T know what you're talking about. Don't pick a side, please. Stop meddling in and leave the Balkans and all its inhabitants to themselves. You aren't helping.

Why bother to tell the truth about anything when "Big Brother" admits before the fact that you will be censored. Forget about it! This is just another publication by the evil forces occupying Serbia today.

The moderator "BIG BROTHER" will decide if my comments "deserve" posting - you just proved my point - don't post comments with this fascist publication - they will only post what is POLITICALLY CORRECT. Fuck em'!