Just to appreciate the expression of Gerhard Schroeder's opinion is a breath of good air.So tired of ultimatums and sanctions that make it's own victims as the time goes along. Also irresponsible to judge at a time of a world financial deflation crisis, a time of weakness in the world where leaders can all, except a few, have not made or are not still making violations that are almost the norm.Some less coqueted pot top from the top should set down and have real arguments with real people.I am honoured that such a man can speak for what he thinks of as human and ideal in context with "worth".
The fighting in Serbia as well as Ukraine is between the stubbornness of all parties. If America had that kind of myopic view of life we would still be fighting our civil wars. In America we get along although we have ten times the diversity of Europe. Grow up.
at the height of WW2 certain ships in teh Atlantic were never attacked becasue they carried gold shipments for loan repayments from Nazi germany to US banks.
(sj, 12 March 2014 10:34)
Your country is BROKE and living on the fumes of what was once a huge reserve and it gets worse, even with all these cut backs the US will have to borrow another Trillion in December.
(sj, 11 March 2014 23:02)
But apparently it has taken over your life as you seem to spend every waking moment thinking about something you say has no influence in the world.
You must have been reading the wrong papers, I am sure the National Enquirer did not print anything. However, it was all over the press here about the Russian war games and buildup at the Ukraine border and that it was thought it was a pre invasion ploy, sorry if you get the news late, most of the time you don't get it at all and have to create it.
(icj1, 12 March 2014 04:19)
„That's great outcome for the West (not for Ukraine of course)... That will ensure that Ukraine will never be a Russia's ally as long as Crimea is occupied by Russia.“
I’m sure the Russians are going to lose sleep over this.
„No problem... that has been approved already. China should be ashamed for giving money at very cheap rates to the American evil vs the more expensive rates they charge to their Serbian friends. „
China makes a lot of money and they dont give it cheaply either. The US pays a nice heafy price for those loans.
„Oh, dear... Thanks for letting me know. I was planning to go to Cyprus for vacations and did not know that was war zone between Russia, China and US. That's why I so much admire you because you have info that nobody else has „
It always hard to talk to stupid people becasue they lead such a sheltered life and think that all the news and information is in the western media. Hate to dissapoint you but its all true.
„I totally agree here. Washington knew that Putin was dumb, but they were surprised for Putin to be so dumb beyond any predictions“
And what are they going to dop about it? SFA, mate. Yes, Putin is my kind of dumby while you have Sarah Palin and Joe Biden LOL.
Lets look at your side’s success –Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Ukraine, all total failures. Iraq is reverting to the stone age with now passing a law where girls age 9 can be married – did you hear that one? its fact.
icj1, 12 March 2014 04:18)
The Albanian Einstein has found the flaws again and as usual made 2+2 = 10.
Apart from money kept at home the Russians like most couintries keep money alll over the world not just in one place. They have accounts in Switzerland, Japan, Asia and even Australia.
Here is some news for you lad, that kind of money is withdraw and redeposited with 10 seconds. However, since London does not want to hear their economy go crash, they have given guarantees that they will not freeze accounts, but even if they did the Russians will freeze all assests held by western coroprations in Russia and that is a sizable amount too.
While they rant and rave business is business and continues without a hick up. People like you dont beleive this happens, but it does, ask the US – at the height of WW2 certain ships in teh Atlantic were never attacked becasue they carried gold shipments for loan repayments from Nazi germany to US banks.
Crimea is taken and now its the carve up of the rest of Ukraine.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
That's great outcome for the West (not for Ukraine of course)... That will ensure that Ukraine will never be a Russia's ally as long as Crimea is occupied by Russia.
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Perhaps if the US and their allies want to put on a show they first have to get a loan application approved from China approved LOL, LOL.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
No problem... that has been approved already. China should be ashamed for giving money at very cheap rates to the American evil vs the more expensive rates they charge to their Serbian friends.
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Chinese navy ships are in teh Mediteranean off Syria with the Russians against the US.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Oh, dear... Thanks for letting me know. I was planning to go to Cyprus for vacations and did not know that was war zone between Russia, China and US. That's why I so much admire you because you have info that nobody else has :)
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The constant bleeting about superior US weapons, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
I totally agree here. Washington knew that Putin was dumb, but they were surprised for Putin to be so dumb beyond any predictions.
For starter there is China, and most of Asia, but perhaps the free press has forgotten to mention that as they always do.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Well, I don't rely on the press (whether free or not free)... I usually go to the original source. So, when you say that for a starter there is China, I guess you mean that China, as everybody else, is not supporting Russia, because China said http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/xwfw/s2510/t1133558.shtml that it "respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine"
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Putin has outsmarted your entire west, firstly with Georgia and now with Crimea and the west can do NOTHING except play to their home audience of being tough.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Well, not sure I understand why the West should do anything to stop Russia's humiliation; i.e. Russia exposing that it has no support in the world, whatsoever.
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Only the strong don’t need bootlicks hanging around. I watch the UK;s David Cameron and Willaim Hague making bold statments of there will be consequences over the Crimea. Meanwhile back at the ranch they don’t tell people that Russia has huge reserves in UK’s banks and if the Russians get p*** o*** and they withdraw their money the UK’s economy would get a huge jolt and not for the better.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
assuming they can withdraw their money :) Btw, I wonder, why the rich Russians keep their money in the evil UK banks and not in Russia!
(pss, 11 March 2014 15:33)
You should try and pay attention to your leaders’ reactions and they reacted with total surprise much like in Georgia where there superior satellites did not detect Russians building up troops or hardware – now perhaps you see what I mean by bleating superior only to have a public humiliation of not being that superior.
I have access to US papers and I did not see anything about that prior to Russia sending in troops with no insignia. Yes, a few talked wrote about UIkraine being led by a “despotic” President and where the people would take back their country, but nothing like what is happening now.
If you are not going to intervene then shut the f*** up! It’s easy to intervene when someone is unarmed, but try it now and see how far you go – United States of Piss and Wind!!!!!!
Your country is BROKE and living on the fumes of what was once a huge reserve and it gets worse, even with all these cut backs the US will have to borrow another Trillion in December.
, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Maybe news is slow to reach you, but we were reading about Russia's possible actions days and weeks before it happened. Even how Russia will not react until the Olympics were over. I believe the US was not really surprised. However, reaction has to be careful as a military intervention involving any 2 of the 3 or all 3 will cost millions of lives. Serbs do not seem to get that point. Must be some type of genetic block or something.
(icj1, 11 March 2014 05:06)
For an Albanian Einstein you surely come up with some silly statments. For starter there is China, and most of Asia, but perhaps the free press has forgotten to mention that as they always do. Putin has outsmarted your entire west, firstly with Georgia and now with Crimea and the west can do NOTHING except play to their home audience of being tough.
Only the strong don’t need bootlicks hanging around. I watch the UK;s David Cameron and Willaim Hague making bold statments of there will be consequences over the Crimea. Meanwhile back at the ranch they don’t tell people that Russia has huge reserves in UK’s banks and if the Russians get p*** o*** and they withdraw their money the UK’s economy would get a huge jolt and not for the better.
Crimea is taken and now its the carve up of the rest of Ukraine. Perhaps if the US and their allies want to put on a show they first have to get a loan application approved from China approved LOL, LOL. Chinese navy ships are in teh Mediteranean off Syria with the Russians against the US.
The constant bleeting about superior US weapons, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
you're seriously bad at put downs. let me expand it for you, you're an anti-imperialist in the same way i am a vegetarian. that is to say, i eat meat, but i feel bad for the animal after.
as for that conspiracy theory that made the news before, i have already shared my opinions. if you couldn't be bothered to read them, i can't be bothered to repeat them now
OK then, I guess that's settled then, you are a "pro imperialist" and I am an "ironic anti imperialist".... gulp, what is that? I think ever since you tripped up on the word "regular" a while back you have been over using your thesaurus to compensate.... let's just call finding a label for me a work in progress for now.
Sorry Nikolle, I still didn't quite catch what your take was on the Estonian FM's revelations re the paid snipers? Shining example of western and/or Albanian values I assume?
(pss, 10 March 2014 18:52)
I have neither the time nor inclination to expalin to you what Crimea means in this instance so I suggest to talk to someone who does. But if you see me as deluded then lets leave it at that and you will see what happens.
As far as articles you have read, wake me up when they start hurting Russia as this is a double edged sword, but your free press never mentions that one eh? Here is tip for you – if they could have done that they would have already.
On the contrary after Ossetia,Syria and Iran Putin has outsmarted the West again. He has achieved his objective of effectively annexing the Crimea –
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Well, annexing Crimea and outsmarting anybody has no logical connection. Some people here make some shortcuts that make no sense. Putin is annexing Crimea by just using crude force. That actually shows how dumb Putin is; somebody who is smart achieves objectives without resorting to crude force as the first choice.
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allowing Russia unbridled access to its southern ports.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Sorry, but what was bridling Russia’s access to its southern ports?! The above makes no sense, at all…
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Putin recognises this as well the decline of the US to police the so called freeworld.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Well, Putin being so dumb, also fully exposed Russia's total lack of influence in the world. No country, not a single one, not even Russia’s strongest “allies” (if Russia has any), supported Russia. Somebody has to be a bit smart and privately get some support beforehand to avoid such humiliation.
And what about americans involvment in Irak, Afghanistan, south America etc? I guess all of that is ok because its America.
(MikeC, 10 March 2014 20:39)
You got it right, dear... "Involvment" and not annexing somebody's territories to America. We are not in the 19th century... pardon, the world is not in the 19th century, except for Russia :)
You little Crownuts better grow some eyes behind your heads, get yourselves some Kleenex, and start saying your Hail Marys, cuz the first, real opportunity them Serbs get they'll be storming you from behind. "Operation Storm Auspuh."
(New Dawn, 10 March 2014 19:21)
Your views on the NATO led intervention is just a lame excuse because you refuse to admit the horrors your people caused. The big US base, I laugh everytime you guys say that as a reason for the mission like the US has actually done anything with the base.
As far as you getting a leader like Putin I am all for it if you want it, you deserve it.
""Pro imperialism".... the most ridiculous ideology ever."
you're a pro-imperialist sunshine. you cheer Russian incursion into another state, without UN approval.
Nikolle
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NATO bombed Serbia WITHOUT UN approval. You celebrated that one.
(MikeC, 10 March 2014 20:39)The United states signed a lease for the land in Cuba with the govt there in 1903 with a treaty. So the occupation of Guantanamo is legal is not similar to the others.
Again Serbia brought the NATO invasion on itself, if it had complied with any of the 4 UN resolutions there would not have been an invasion. The UNSC is the one that stripped Kosovo from Serbia and would Serbia have given one ounce of effort it could have saved it. But today the same as 1999 and before, Serbia wants the land without the residents and that is not going to happen.
I will not talk of Iraq or Afghanistan as I do not agree that America should have involved itself in either with the exception of the first invasion of Iraq when Saddam invaded Kuwait and that was with the request of the Kuwaiti govt. But on the subject of Afghanistan remember Russia also invaded it a few years before the US.
Haha Nikolle, if we are both "pro imperialists" then why are we arguing? :)
No, you are a self described imperialist, I am a reader of B92, this can be my label.
Good to see the Albo trolls are getting a little annoyed now.
So as you were saying about the Estonian FM being a liar?
""Pro imperialism".... the most ridiculous ideology ever."
you're a pro-imperialist sunshine. you cheer Russian incursion into another state, without UN approval.
Nikolle
That didn't seem to be a problem to you when Nato entered Serbia and took away 12% of its internationally recognized borders and gave it to albanians. Kosovo has never been independent but throughout its history Serbian territory. I don't hear you complain to why America is occupying a part of Cuba. And what about americans involvment in Irak, Afghanistan, south America etc? I guess all of that is ok because its America.
A New Day but an all too familiar set of old fabrications from our distinguished colleague. The NATO staged exodus of Kosovan Albanians was nothing to do with the Serbian Army and you know it. It just gave those idiots in Whitehall and the Pentagon an excuse to destroy Serbia's infrastructure so that it would never recover from the debt the IMF and "World Bank" would subsequently put it under. Also allowing a large US military base to arise from the ashes of Kosovo....now wasn't that a coincidence? Quite frankly I like Putin because he's got some balls and not because he's Russian and look forward to one day having a leader like him in Serbia. If I lived in Crimea he'd get my vote and I'm not Russian!!! Let's see how the poll goes at least they are being given a vote which is more than can be said for the rest of the Ukraine the percentage of whom were out on the streets in Kiev was minuscule and does represent any widespread desire to join the EU. When most British people want to leave the EU why would Ukraine or in fact Serbia want to join???
My dear lad, you have no idea how important Crimea is. It’s extremely important. Who controls it can control Europe.
(sj, 10 March 2014 13:52)
And you call me delusional. I guess that is why Ukraine became the powerhouse it was and controlled all of Europe was it had Crimea all this time.
Just because some journalist somewhere wrote something does not make it any truer than you saying it. I read articles journalist write all the time and give them their due.
I do agree that Russia has Crimea and it will inevitably keep it as it is doubtful anyone is going to wage a war over it. It is too early to tell what will happen if it advances into Ukraine itself.
But still as I said none of that has anything to do with Kosovo and Serbia no matter how much your group want to link them (Of course people need to be careful about linking it as it would irritate Russia for Serbia to claim it is an illegal act)
And there will probably be reparations to Serbia the day you actually know as much as you think you do. So don't think anyone is holding their breath on that one.
By the way read a bunch of articles on how much this is going to hurt Russia, if I were like you I would take them for gospel, but unlike you I can distinguish between creative or sensational journalism and those that are based on facts.
How exactly is this 'news', let alone a revelation? It was a flagrant breach of international law where those planning to do the bombing did their best to feed the flames (literally too). Create a crisis by funding, arming and training terrorists, and then come to the rescue and 'solve' the crisis by bombing.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself. Even Russian allies such as Belarus and Armenia recognize the interim government in Kiev. Actually, I did not expect Putin to be that stupid, but as Merkel already stated: He is delusional.
(Commentator, 10 March 2014 16:46) Of course he is just like the Serbs "leaders" a judgment from God on the wicked leading to their own inspired doom. 2Th 2:9
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 2Th 2:10
and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Th 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 2Th 2:12
and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. What is coming WW 2 will look like a little incident in commparisen. God's word says if he did not cut the day's of madnees short no flesh would survive on earth. You better belive it the idiots are taking the world of unparalel time of destruction in every fanthomal way. As their incompetence rises greed moraly dead "leaders" will lead the world to disaster like never seen or experienced in history first will be economical.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself.
B92
On the contrary after Ossetia,Syria and Iran Putin has outsmarted the West again. He has achieved his objective of effectively annexing the Crimea - allowing Russia unbridled access to its southern ports. He has played his main bargaining chip - the supply of gas to Western Europe - admirably. Meanwhile the Western leaders have blustered impotently. The EC, as always, has proved totally ineffective. I would say 3 points to Putin.The "Putin' factor also exposes the inherent weakness of the EU. The unelected Ashton and Rumpey proclaim the EU stance bolstered by the touching naivety of Kerry who constantly refers to the EU as if it were a 'nation' state with a commom foreign policy. In reality Germany, the Uk ,France and uncle tom cobbly et all pursue their own national interests whilst in the EU but often in opposition to the meanderings of Ashton and co. The sooner this political contradiction of the EU to reasoned and coherent policy implodes the better. Putin recognises this as well the decline of the US to police the so called freeworld. Frankly the US manoeuvres has been to show them as weak and duplicitous with the truth. 'Putin is mad','the opposition are freedom fighters' and so on. The US gets punier by the day.
cheap words, that's all that reply of yours is. Russians and Ukrainians get on fine? don't care about that in the least. This is what I do know, Russia has sent its forces to Crimea, a territory that belongs to a country that is not Russia. the gov. of that country has asked the Russians to leave. they are not doing so, hence they're behaving as the imperialists would. you do not condemn Russian incursion on another state. you hide behind words like regrettable. you support it in fact, hence you support imperialism, hence you're a pro-imperialist.
I can agree with many here, that his opinion does not matter and is irrelevant. I would add that it never mattered and it was always irrelevant. Just one of the clones West is using as "politicians". Worthless people, worthless opinions. Yesterday. Today. Tomorrow. Always.
If the Crimeans hold a plebiscite on 16th March and get a majority to join Russia, I hardly see how the West can argue this has no weight.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 15:16)
Did it have relevant weight in Georgia (provinces Abkhazia and South-Ossetia)? Your so-called "plebiscite" is nothing more than a charade. People are intimidated, gunmen everywhere, TV stations closed, reporters harassed and attacked, and we know why, since the majority for secession was never sure. Many Crimeans have a cordially stance towards Russia, but that does not equalize secession as the Razumkov Centre poll in 2011 stated and where 73% of Crimean citizens called Ukraine their home.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself. Even Russian allies such as Belarus and Armenia recognize the interim government in Kiev. Actually, I did not expect Putin to be that stupid, but as Merkel already stated: He is delusional.
Incorrect Nikolle, unlike you, who explicitly labels yourself as a "pro imperialist" (and still do), I have never mentioned any such term to describe myself.... are you kidding? That is so embarrassing that even George W Bush would blush describing himself like that!
"sunshine" does sound nice... maybe I'll run with that for a while. The "sunshine policy"... actually that is already taken... if I think of an appropriate label I'll get back to you.
Nor do I "cheer" the need for Russia to intervene like this, this a regrettable matter, yes, even for Putin... Funny thing is Russians and Ukrainians get on just fine (they are all "slavs" as you Albanians would derogatorily say).... Russians and "pro imperialism" - currently headed by the USA - however do not get on, hence the current mess. If the USA didn't launch this violet coup attempt during the winter games, we absolutely would not have this situation.
Sorry, Nikolle, I didn't quite catch your response to revelations by the Estonian FM that the "opposition" hired snipers to shoot protestors and police to escalate the situation? Just another day at the office for "pro imperialism" I assume?
Schroeder, however, said that as Germany's chancellor during the Yugoslav conflict he was violating international law.
B92
What Schroeder cleverly avoids to mention is the reasons behind the decision to send his planes to bomb Serbia and the reason is he's not the one who made the decision.The people who really run the West,are not the politicians,it's the central bankers, The Goldmans Sachs, the General Electrics, Lockheed Martins etctetera, they see economic stagnation, they see massive youth unemployment, they see the rise of China and Russia on their coat tails. In Ukraine Russia didn't foment the chaos and topple the government and place Yatseniuk in power.It was Victoria Nuland who was recorded saying that Yatseniuk was going to be Prime Minister two weeks ago.If the Crimeans hold a plebiscite on 16th March and get a majority to join Russia, I hardly see how the West can argue this has no weight.
Military intervention? Was a single shot fired by Russian marines in Crimea? Never heard about that. Not any single shot. Does that mean anything? What about Kyev? More than hundred killed by snipers hired by so-called "Maidan" ultra-right extremists. Russians are just protecting Russians. Everybody else just back-off and shut up. Best regards. :)
Schroeder works for Putin, hence not wanting to criticize him. As a result, his opinion is completely irrelevant and has no value.
(BalkanUpdate, 10 March 2014 11:21)
Ah yes. If someone works for someone you don't like, he/she's completely irrelevant. If someone works for someone you do like, he/she's the voice of reason in a room of idiots.
Schroeder's opinion is just as meaningfully worthless as the next person's, and in regards to Kosovo, comes 15 years too late.
OBVIOUSLY attacking the civilian infrastructure of a country is against the law and Schroeder said it as it is. Now the West cannot have pretenses towards Russia after violating the sovereignty of more countries than most Americans even know exist on this planet, can they?
(Peter Sudyka, 10 March 2014 13:20)
You all keep forgetting history, Serbia was given not one but 4 resolutions by the UNSC to alter course and stop the killing. The bombing saved lives, and stopped a 2nd mass murder on European soil.
The UNSC with Russia followed up the bombing by removing Kosovo from Serbian control. None of this is the case in either Ukraine nor Georgia. While Russia did not "agree" with the bombing it did agree to UNSC 1244 forcing Serb forces out of Kosovo
I don't think the west will have any problems condemning the Russian acts, I know I sure don't. My only problem with the NATO intervention they should be ashamed to allow this to drag out for 15 years, it should have been finished in 3 as envisioned by the Rambouillet Accords.
Only when there is separation of State and Corporations like with Church and State, then we have peace. Until then we will abuse the words, democracy, genocide, patriotism, international law and abuse the earth for profit.
Kosovo back to Serbia if you want to have legitimacy.
Schroeder, former SOCIAL DEMOCRAT Chancellor of Germany, employee of GAZPROM and long-term friend of Putin has only one interest - his own pocket. It was the same when he was German Chancellor; it is the same now. He will not dare condemn Putin because if he did so, he would lose millions of Euros when the Russians sack him.
For Schroeder, just as for Obama, Bush, Bush's lapdog Blair and for Putin, international law and justice mean nothing if against their own interests. It is a sorry state of affairs that people such as this have so much power.
The Serbian Government would be well placed to place its allegiances carefully with regard to the Crimea crisis - just because Russia is a traditional ally of Serbia does not mean that Serbia can ignore international law and support the annexation of the Crimea by the Russians. If it chose to do this, this would be one further step to alienation in Europe (and I mean the whole of Europe, not just the German-dominated EU). Russia is large and poweerful enough to survive without close ties to Europe - Serbia is not.
(pss, 10 March 2014 12:50)
Many things are illogical to you and your ilk. The fact that Schroeder, a former leader of Germany, admits to what they did in Kosovo was illegal is a revelation; simply put these things are never mentioned because they leave you open to paying out money. It’s generally called payment on moral grounds.
Lad, there was no retrro approval in the UNSC. Your just dreaming. Each action calls for a new resolution and the bombing is not covered by occupation resolution. You defintely need to get out and about.
You fascinate me at your lack of awareness. Robert gates was interviewed yesterday on your media and he said that Crimea was gone and the US cannot do a thing. The US is so far out of touch of reality that it squawkes sactions automatically at anything without realising that should Russia retailate with trade bans your economy would fall on its back. This is not 1990s, you have to get it through your head; your being brainwashed into believing the US is invincable – its extremely vulnerable.
An Aussie journalist wrote an article about 12 months on America’s situation and said that the US leadership has kept many things from its people espeically how weak the US has become and when the people finally discover this fact there will be a revolution.
My dear lad, you have no idea how important Crimea is. It’s extremely important. Who controls it can control Europe.
It's a pity that politicians can speak candidly and truthfully only once they are no longer in positions of power. I guess political correctness is a weapon of censorship against the European elite as well.
OBVIOUSLY attacking the civilian infrastructure of a country is against the law and Schroeder said it as it is. Now the West cannot have pretenses towards Russia after violating the sovereignty of more countries than most Americans even know exist on this planet, can they?
Amazing how many *former* leaders, military people fess up once they are out of power re the injustice of what happened in Yugoslavia. I can understand living with the shame can't be easy.
I look forward to *current* leaders doing the same one day and trying to make it right.
I'm not holding my breath though, the "pro imperialists" have a stranglehold on power for now. They and their blind followers like Nikolle will stumble forward causing havoc globally until they hit an immovable object....... come to think of it, Russia is a large, immovable oject.
Let's hope they learn some lessons over the next few months.
not really, Russia is moving onto other people territory and hence being imperialist. blind followers like yourself have nothing to say about that. Where is Russia's UN green light? why does that not bother you?
Kansler Merkel think it all right to rise from the Street with Violance,
and oust the Democratically elected Ukranian President,
but for The Majority of Krims Population to hold and Democratic referendum about what Nation to belong to is Unconstitutional.
And now this confession by the former German Kansler that Attacking Serbia was Wrong.
Will Germany this time also manage to drag The US and Nato by the Nose,
to interviene in the Ukrainian conflict.
Cant the World see Germanys last Houndreds of Years of Political History,
that She always try to swallow up the Eastern/Central Europes Slavic Peoples.
When will the Usefull Idiot Obama get it Right ?.
Will He be a Bigger Fool than Clinton ?.
(sj, 10 March 2014 11:02)
Was worried you were on the missing Malaysian aircraft, but here you are still spilling the same illogical swill as ever.
Wow an earth shattering revelation that the bombing of Serbia was without UNSC resolution. However, the west still feels justified in its actions and remember post bombing the UNSC authorized the same forces that bombed Serbia to oversee the protection of Kosovo, kind of a retro approval. But there will never be so called reparations or even serious talks of such except from virtual dreamers such as you.
As far as there being changes that is true, but not so sure all the way you want.
Russia is operating under the belief that no one will go to WW3 over Ukraine and they are more than likely right, or are they?
But the bottom line it in no way affects what has/is happening in the world of Serbia-Kosovo.
"Amazing how many *former* leaders, military people fess up once they are out of power re the injustice of what happened in Yugoslavia. I can understand living with the shame can't be easy. "
(commentator, 10 March 2014 12:04)
Schroeder didn't say it was injustice, only that a humanitary intervention is not covered by international law. Thus, the west violated these international laws when bombing Serbia, just like Russia violates it now by sending troops to a foreign country without an UN resolution and without declaring state of war against Ukraine. The reason to protect a national minority against national extremists who want to discriminate or expel them is not a reason for an intervention.
If everything is about obtain international law, you must both criticize the west for recognizing the self-declared state of Kosovo and Russia for violating Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, issuing Russian passports to Ukraine citizens, and allow a potential join of Crimea to Russia. In case of Kosovo, the west didn't allow the territory of Kosovo joining Albania, to be remembered.
"Now that ex german leader has opened can of worms..."
(Ned k, 10 March 2014 10:32)
Can of worms? He only stated the obvious, that there was no UN resolution for bombing Serbia to stop the killing and expulsion in Kosovo.
But unlike in Kosovo, where the KFOR troops were sent later under resolution UNSC1244, Russia sent their troops to the Crimea without an UN resolution - nobody is so stupid to believes Putin when he says that 'these are not Russian soldiers' only because they removed their insignia from the Russian uniforms (but stupidly, they are still using military vehicles with Russian number plates).
And the conclusion of Schroeder is correct, the west can criticize Putin, but not from a higher level, because they did similar things.
The return of Crimea to Russia will sweep in new changes that will greatly benefit Serbia. Most on the opposing side that post on B92 have no idea just how profound these changes will be - no clues what so ever.
Crimea means control of the EU. Gerhard Schroeder’s has only told the world what we already know and as those winds of change blow stronger so will there be talk of reparations to Serbia.
Now that ex german leader has opened can of worms, Serbia should be suing Eu and its allies us for masive destruction of small country, they should put their heads in sand, kaima is a bitch.
Now that ex german leader has opened can of worms, Serbia should be suing Eu and its allies us for masive destruction of small country, they should put their heads in sand, kaima is a bitch.
Military intervention? Was a single shot fired by Russian marines in Crimea? Never heard about that. Not any single shot. Does that mean anything? What about Kyev? More than hundred killed by snipers hired by so-called "Maidan" ultra-right extremists. Russians are just protecting Russians. Everybody else just back-off and shut up. Best regards. :)
Schroeder, however, said that as Germany's chancellor during the Yugoslav conflict he was violating international law.
B92
What Schroeder cleverly avoids to mention is the reasons behind the decision to send his planes to bomb Serbia and the reason is he's not the one who made the decision.The people who really run the West,are not the politicians,it's the central bankers, The Goldmans Sachs, the General Electrics, Lockheed Martins etctetera, they see economic stagnation, they see massive youth unemployment, they see the rise of China and Russia on their coat tails. In Ukraine Russia didn't foment the chaos and topple the government and place Yatseniuk in power.It was Victoria Nuland who was recorded saying that Yatseniuk was going to be Prime Minister two weeks ago.If the Crimeans hold a plebiscite on 16th March and get a majority to join Russia, I hardly see how the West can argue this has no weight.
The return of Crimea to Russia will sweep in new changes that will greatly benefit Serbia. Most on the opposing side that post on B92 have no idea just how profound these changes will be - no clues what so ever.
Crimea means control of the EU. Gerhard Schroeder’s has only told the world what we already know and as those winds of change blow stronger so will there be talk of reparations to Serbia.
Only when there is separation of State and Corporations like with Church and State, then we have peace. Until then we will abuse the words, democracy, genocide, patriotism, international law and abuse the earth for profit.
Kosovo back to Serbia if you want to have legitimacy.
It's a pity that politicians can speak candidly and truthfully only once they are no longer in positions of power. I guess political correctness is a weapon of censorship against the European elite as well.
OBVIOUSLY attacking the civilian infrastructure of a country is against the law and Schroeder said it as it is. Now the West cannot have pretenses towards Russia after violating the sovereignty of more countries than most Americans even know exist on this planet, can they?
(pss, 10 March 2014 12:50)
Many things are illogical to you and your ilk. The fact that Schroeder, a former leader of Germany, admits to what they did in Kosovo was illegal is a revelation; simply put these things are never mentioned because they leave you open to paying out money. It’s generally called payment on moral grounds.
Lad, there was no retrro approval in the UNSC. Your just dreaming. Each action calls for a new resolution and the bombing is not covered by occupation resolution. You defintely need to get out and about.
You fascinate me at your lack of awareness. Robert gates was interviewed yesterday on your media and he said that Crimea was gone and the US cannot do a thing. The US is so far out of touch of reality that it squawkes sactions automatically at anything without realising that should Russia retailate with trade bans your economy would fall on its back. This is not 1990s, you have to get it through your head; your being brainwashed into believing the US is invincable – its extremely vulnerable.
An Aussie journalist wrote an article about 12 months on America’s situation and said that the US leadership has kept many things from its people espeically how weak the US has become and when the people finally discover this fact there will be a revolution.
My dear lad, you have no idea how important Crimea is. It’s extremely important. Who controls it can control Europe.
Amazing how many *former* leaders, military people fess up once they are out of power re the injustice of what happened in Yugoslavia. I can understand living with the shame can't be easy.
I look forward to *current* leaders doing the same one day and trying to make it right.
I'm not holding my breath though, the "pro imperialists" have a stranglehold on power for now. They and their blind followers like Nikolle will stumble forward causing havoc globally until they hit an immovable object....... come to think of it, Russia is a large, immovable oject.
Let's hope they learn some lessons over the next few months.
""Pro imperialism".... the most ridiculous ideology ever."
you're a pro-imperialist sunshine. you cheer Russian incursion into another state, without UN approval.
Nikolle
That didn't seem to be a problem to you when Nato entered Serbia and took away 12% of its internationally recognized borders and gave it to albanians. Kosovo has never been independent but throughout its history Serbian territory. I don't hear you complain to why America is occupying a part of Cuba. And what about americans involvment in Irak, Afghanistan, south America etc? I guess all of that is ok because its America.
Kansler Merkel think it all right to rise from the Street with Violance,
and oust the Democratically elected Ukranian President,
but for The Majority of Krims Population to hold and Democratic referendum about what Nation to belong to is Unconstitutional.
And now this confession by the former German Kansler that Attacking Serbia was Wrong.
Will Germany this time also manage to drag The US and Nato by the Nose,
to interviene in the Ukrainian conflict.
Cant the World see Germanys last Houndreds of Years of Political History,
that She always try to swallow up the Eastern/Central Europes Slavic Peoples.
When will the Usefull Idiot Obama get it Right ?.
Will He be a Bigger Fool than Clinton ?.
Schroeder works for Putin, hence not wanting to criticize him. As a result, his opinion is completely irrelevant and has no value.
(BalkanUpdate, 10 March 2014 11:21)
Ah yes. If someone works for someone you don't like, he/she's completely irrelevant. If someone works for someone you do like, he/she's the voice of reason in a room of idiots.
Schroeder's opinion is just as meaningfully worthless as the next person's, and in regards to Kosovo, comes 15 years too late.
A New Day but an all too familiar set of old fabrications from our distinguished colleague. The NATO staged exodus of Kosovan Albanians was nothing to do with the Serbian Army and you know it. It just gave those idiots in Whitehall and the Pentagon an excuse to destroy Serbia's infrastructure so that it would never recover from the debt the IMF and "World Bank" would subsequently put it under. Also allowing a large US military base to arise from the ashes of Kosovo....now wasn't that a coincidence? Quite frankly I like Putin because he's got some balls and not because he's Russian and look forward to one day having a leader like him in Serbia. If I lived in Crimea he'd get my vote and I'm not Russian!!! Let's see how the poll goes at least they are being given a vote which is more than can be said for the rest of the Ukraine the percentage of whom were out on the streets in Kiev was minuscule and does represent any widespread desire to join the EU. When most British people want to leave the EU why would Ukraine or in fact Serbia want to join???
"Now that ex german leader has opened can of worms..."
(Ned k, 10 March 2014 10:32)
Can of worms? He only stated the obvious, that there was no UN resolution for bombing Serbia to stop the killing and expulsion in Kosovo.
But unlike in Kosovo, where the KFOR troops were sent later under resolution UNSC1244, Russia sent their troops to the Crimea without an UN resolution - nobody is so stupid to believes Putin when he says that 'these are not Russian soldiers' only because they removed their insignia from the Russian uniforms (but stupidly, they are still using military vehicles with Russian number plates).
And the conclusion of Schroeder is correct, the west can criticize Putin, but not from a higher level, because they did similar things.
"Amazing how many *former* leaders, military people fess up once they are out of power re the injustice of what happened in Yugoslavia. I can understand living with the shame can't be easy. "
(commentator, 10 March 2014 12:04)
Schroeder didn't say it was injustice, only that a humanitary intervention is not covered by international law. Thus, the west violated these international laws when bombing Serbia, just like Russia violates it now by sending troops to a foreign country without an UN resolution and without declaring state of war against Ukraine. The reason to protect a national minority against national extremists who want to discriminate or expel them is not a reason for an intervention.
If everything is about obtain international law, you must both criticize the west for recognizing the self-declared state of Kosovo and Russia for violating Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, issuing Russian passports to Ukraine citizens, and allow a potential join of Crimea to Russia. In case of Kosovo, the west didn't allow the territory of Kosovo joining Albania, to be remembered.
OBVIOUSLY attacking the civilian infrastructure of a country is against the law and Schroeder said it as it is. Now the West cannot have pretenses towards Russia after violating the sovereignty of more countries than most Americans even know exist on this planet, can they?
(Peter Sudyka, 10 March 2014 13:20)
You all keep forgetting history, Serbia was given not one but 4 resolutions by the UNSC to alter course and stop the killing. The bombing saved lives, and stopped a 2nd mass murder on European soil.
The UNSC with Russia followed up the bombing by removing Kosovo from Serbian control. None of this is the case in either Ukraine nor Georgia. While Russia did not "agree" with the bombing it did agree to UNSC 1244 forcing Serb forces out of Kosovo
I don't think the west will have any problems condemning the Russian acts, I know I sure don't. My only problem with the NATO intervention they should be ashamed to allow this to drag out for 15 years, it should have been finished in 3 as envisioned by the Rambouillet Accords.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself.
B92
On the contrary after Ossetia,Syria and Iran Putin has outsmarted the West again. He has achieved his objective of effectively annexing the Crimea - allowing Russia unbridled access to its southern ports. He has played his main bargaining chip - the supply of gas to Western Europe - admirably. Meanwhile the Western leaders have blustered impotently. The EC, as always, has proved totally ineffective. I would say 3 points to Putin.The "Putin' factor also exposes the inherent weakness of the EU. The unelected Ashton and Rumpey proclaim the EU stance bolstered by the touching naivety of Kerry who constantly refers to the EU as if it were a 'nation' state with a commom foreign policy. In reality Germany, the Uk ,France and uncle tom cobbly et all pursue their own national interests whilst in the EU but often in opposition to the meanderings of Ashton and co. The sooner this political contradiction of the EU to reasoned and coherent policy implodes the better. Putin recognises this as well the decline of the US to police the so called freeworld. Frankly the US manoeuvres has been to show them as weak and duplicitous with the truth. 'Putin is mad','the opposition are freedom fighters' and so on. The US gets punier by the day.
How exactly is this 'news', let alone a revelation? It was a flagrant breach of international law where those planning to do the bombing did their best to feed the flames (literally too). Create a crisis by funding, arming and training terrorists, and then come to the rescue and 'solve' the crisis by bombing.
Incorrect Nikolle, unlike you, who explicitly labels yourself as a "pro imperialist" (and still do), I have never mentioned any such term to describe myself.... are you kidding? That is so embarrassing that even George W Bush would blush describing himself like that!
"sunshine" does sound nice... maybe I'll run with that for a while. The "sunshine policy"... actually that is already taken... if I think of an appropriate label I'll get back to you.
Nor do I "cheer" the need for Russia to intervene like this, this a regrettable matter, yes, even for Putin... Funny thing is Russians and Ukrainians get on just fine (they are all "slavs" as you Albanians would derogatorily say).... Russians and "pro imperialism" - currently headed by the USA - however do not get on, hence the current mess. If the USA didn't launch this violet coup attempt during the winter games, we absolutely would not have this situation.
Sorry, Nikolle, I didn't quite catch your response to revelations by the Estonian FM that the "opposition" hired snipers to shoot protestors and police to escalate the situation? Just another day at the office for "pro imperialism" I assume?
not really, Russia is moving onto other people territory and hence being imperialist. blind followers like yourself have nothing to say about that. Where is Russia's UN green light? why does that not bother you?
(sj, 10 March 2014 11:02)
Was worried you were on the missing Malaysian aircraft, but here you are still spilling the same illogical swill as ever.
Wow an earth shattering revelation that the bombing of Serbia was without UNSC resolution. However, the west still feels justified in its actions and remember post bombing the UNSC authorized the same forces that bombed Serbia to oversee the protection of Kosovo, kind of a retro approval. But there will never be so called reparations or even serious talks of such except from virtual dreamers such as you.
As far as there being changes that is true, but not so sure all the way you want.
Russia is operating under the belief that no one will go to WW3 over Ukraine and they are more than likely right, or are they?
But the bottom line it in no way affects what has/is happening in the world of Serbia-Kosovo.
(icj1, 11 March 2014 05:06)
For an Albanian Einstein you surely come up with some silly statments. For starter there is China, and most of Asia, but perhaps the free press has forgotten to mention that as they always do. Putin has outsmarted your entire west, firstly with Georgia and now with Crimea and the west can do NOTHING except play to their home audience of being tough.
Only the strong don’t need bootlicks hanging around. I watch the UK;s David Cameron and Willaim Hague making bold statments of there will be consequences over the Crimea. Meanwhile back at the ranch they don’t tell people that Russia has huge reserves in UK’s banks and if the Russians get p*** o*** and they withdraw their money the UK’s economy would get a huge jolt and not for the better.
Crimea is taken and now its the carve up of the rest of Ukraine. Perhaps if the US and their allies want to put on a show they first have to get a loan application approved from China approved LOL, LOL. Chinese navy ships are in teh Mediteranean off Syria with the Russians against the US.
The constant bleeting about superior US weapons, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
Schroeder, former SOCIAL DEMOCRAT Chancellor of Germany, employee of GAZPROM and long-term friend of Putin has only one interest - his own pocket. It was the same when he was German Chancellor; it is the same now. He will not dare condemn Putin because if he did so, he would lose millions of Euros when the Russians sack him.
For Schroeder, just as for Obama, Bush, Bush's lapdog Blair and for Putin, international law and justice mean nothing if against their own interests. It is a sorry state of affairs that people such as this have so much power.
The Serbian Government would be well placed to place its allegiances carefully with regard to the Crimea crisis - just because Russia is a traditional ally of Serbia does not mean that Serbia can ignore international law and support the annexation of the Crimea by the Russians. If it chose to do this, this would be one further step to alienation in Europe (and I mean the whole of Europe, not just the German-dominated EU). Russia is large and poweerful enough to survive without close ties to Europe - Serbia is not.
If the Crimeans hold a plebiscite on 16th March and get a majority to join Russia, I hardly see how the West can argue this has no weight.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 15:16)
Did it have relevant weight in Georgia (provinces Abkhazia and South-Ossetia)? Your so-called "plebiscite" is nothing more than a charade. People are intimidated, gunmen everywhere, TV stations closed, reporters harassed and attacked, and we know why, since the majority for secession was never sure. Many Crimeans have a cordially stance towards Russia, but that does not equalize secession as the Razumkov Centre poll in 2011 stated and where 73% of Crimean citizens called Ukraine their home.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself. Even Russian allies such as Belarus and Armenia recognize the interim government in Kiev. Actually, I did not expect Putin to be that stupid, but as Merkel already stated: He is delusional.
""Pro imperialism".... the most ridiculous ideology ever."
you're a pro-imperialist sunshine. you cheer Russian incursion into another state, without UN approval.
Nikolle
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NATO bombed Serbia WITHOUT UN approval. You celebrated that one.
You little Crownuts better grow some eyes behind your heads, get yourselves some Kleenex, and start saying your Hail Marys, cuz the first, real opportunity them Serbs get they'll be storming you from behind. "Operation Storm Auspuh."
(icj1, 12 March 2014 04:19)
„That's great outcome for the West (not for Ukraine of course)... That will ensure that Ukraine will never be a Russia's ally as long as Crimea is occupied by Russia.“
I’m sure the Russians are going to lose sleep over this.
„No problem... that has been approved already. China should be ashamed for giving money at very cheap rates to the American evil vs the more expensive rates they charge to their Serbian friends. „
China makes a lot of money and they dont give it cheaply either. The US pays a nice heafy price for those loans.
„Oh, dear... Thanks for letting me know. I was planning to go to Cyprus for vacations and did not know that was war zone between Russia, China and US. That's why I so much admire you because you have info that nobody else has „
It always hard to talk to stupid people becasue they lead such a sheltered life and think that all the news and information is in the western media. Hate to dissapoint you but its all true.
„I totally agree here. Washington knew that Putin was dumb, but they were surprised for Putin to be so dumb beyond any predictions“
And what are they going to dop about it? SFA, mate. Yes, Putin is my kind of dumby while you have Sarah Palin and Joe Biden LOL.
Lets look at your side’s success –Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Ukraine, all total failures. Iraq is reverting to the stone age with now passing a law where girls age 9 can be married – did you hear that one? its fact.
cheap words, that's all that reply of yours is. Russians and Ukrainians get on fine? don't care about that in the least. This is what I do know, Russia has sent its forces to Crimea, a territory that belongs to a country that is not Russia. the gov. of that country has asked the Russians to leave. they are not doing so, hence they're behaving as the imperialists would. you do not condemn Russian incursion on another state. you hide behind words like regrettable. you support it in fact, hence you support imperialism, hence you're a pro-imperialist.
I can agree with many here, that his opinion does not matter and is irrelevant. I would add that it never mattered and it was always irrelevant. Just one of the clones West is using as "politicians". Worthless people, worthless opinions. Yesterday. Today. Tomorrow. Always.
And what about americans involvment in Irak, Afghanistan, south America etc? I guess all of that is ok because its America.
(MikeC, 10 March 2014 20:39)
You got it right, dear... "Involvment" and not annexing somebody's territories to America. We are not in the 19th century... pardon, the world is not in the 19th century, except for Russia :)
Just to appreciate the expression of Gerhard Schroeder's opinion is a breath of good air.So tired of ultimatums and sanctions that make it's own victims as the time goes along. Also irresponsible to judge at a time of a world financial deflation crisis, a time of weakness in the world where leaders can all, except a few, have not made or are not still making violations that are almost the norm.Some less coqueted pot top from the top should set down and have real arguments with real people.I am honoured that such a man can speak for what he thinks of as human and ideal in context with "worth".
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself. Even Russian allies such as Belarus and Armenia recognize the interim government in Kiev. Actually, I did not expect Putin to be that stupid, but as Merkel already stated: He is delusional.
(Commentator, 10 March 2014 16:46) Of course he is just like the Serbs "leaders" a judgment from God on the wicked leading to their own inspired doom. 2Th 2:9
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 2Th 2:10
and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Th 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 2Th 2:12
and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. What is coming WW 2 will look like a little incident in commparisen. God's word says if he did not cut the day's of madnees short no flesh would survive on earth. You better belive it the idiots are taking the world of unparalel time of destruction in every fanthomal way. As their incompetence rises greed moraly dead "leaders" will lead the world to disaster like never seen or experienced in history first will be economical.
(New Dawn, 10 March 2014 19:21)
Your views on the NATO led intervention is just a lame excuse because you refuse to admit the horrors your people caused. The big US base, I laugh everytime you guys say that as a reason for the mission like the US has actually done anything with the base.
As far as you getting a leader like Putin I am all for it if you want it, you deserve it.
On the contrary after Ossetia,Syria and Iran Putin has outsmarted the West again. He has achieved his objective of effectively annexing the Crimea –
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Well, annexing Crimea and outsmarting anybody has no logical connection. Some people here make some shortcuts that make no sense. Putin is annexing Crimea by just using crude force. That actually shows how dumb Putin is; somebody who is smart achieves objectives without resorting to crude force as the first choice.
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allowing Russia unbridled access to its southern ports.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Sorry, but what was bridling Russia’s access to its southern ports?! The above makes no sense, at all…
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Putin recognises this as well the decline of the US to police the so called freeworld.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Well, Putin being so dumb, also fully exposed Russia's total lack of influence in the world. No country, not a single one, not even Russia’s strongest “allies” (if Russia has any), supported Russia. Somebody has to be a bit smart and privately get some support beforehand to avoid such humiliation.
(pss, 11 March 2014 15:33)
You should try and pay attention to your leaders’ reactions and they reacted with total surprise much like in Georgia where there superior satellites did not detect Russians building up troops or hardware – now perhaps you see what I mean by bleating superior only to have a public humiliation of not being that superior.
I have access to US papers and I did not see anything about that prior to Russia sending in troops with no insignia. Yes, a few talked wrote about UIkraine being led by a “despotic” President and where the people would take back their country, but nothing like what is happening now.
If you are not going to intervene then shut the f*** up! It’s easy to intervene when someone is unarmed, but try it now and see how far you go – United States of Piss and Wind!!!!!!
Your country is BROKE and living on the fumes of what was once a huge reserve and it gets worse, even with all these cut backs the US will have to borrow another Trillion in December.
icj1, 12 March 2014 04:18)
The Albanian Einstein has found the flaws again and as usual made 2+2 = 10.
Apart from money kept at home the Russians like most couintries keep money alll over the world not just in one place. They have accounts in Switzerland, Japan, Asia and even Australia.
Here is some news for you lad, that kind of money is withdraw and redeposited with 10 seconds. However, since London does not want to hear their economy go crash, they have given guarantees that they will not freeze accounts, but even if they did the Russians will freeze all assests held by western coroprations in Russia and that is a sizable amount too.
While they rant and rave business is business and continues without a hick up. People like you dont beleive this happens, but it does, ask the US – at the height of WW2 certain ships in teh Atlantic were never attacked becasue they carried gold shipments for loan repayments from Nazi germany to US banks.
at the height of WW2 certain ships in teh Atlantic were never attacked becasue they carried gold shipments for loan repayments from Nazi germany to US banks.
(sj, 12 March 2014 10:34)
My dear lad, you have no idea how important Crimea is. It’s extremely important. Who controls it can control Europe.
(sj, 10 March 2014 13:52)
And you call me delusional. I guess that is why Ukraine became the powerhouse it was and controlled all of Europe was it had Crimea all this time.
Just because some journalist somewhere wrote something does not make it any truer than you saying it. I read articles journalist write all the time and give them their due.
I do agree that Russia has Crimea and it will inevitably keep it as it is doubtful anyone is going to wage a war over it. It is too early to tell what will happen if it advances into Ukraine itself.
But still as I said none of that has anything to do with Kosovo and Serbia no matter how much your group want to link them (Of course people need to be careful about linking it as it would irritate Russia for Serbia to claim it is an illegal act)
And there will probably be reparations to Serbia the day you actually know as much as you think you do. So don't think anyone is holding their breath on that one.
By the way read a bunch of articles on how much this is going to hurt Russia, if I were like you I would take them for gospel, but unlike you I can distinguish between creative or sensational journalism and those that are based on facts.
(pss, 10 March 2014 18:52)
I have neither the time nor inclination to expalin to you what Crimea means in this instance so I suggest to talk to someone who does. But if you see me as deluded then lets leave it at that and you will see what happens.
As far as articles you have read, wake me up when they start hurting Russia as this is a double edged sword, but your free press never mentions that one eh? Here is tip for you – if they could have done that they would have already.
, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Maybe news is slow to reach you, but we were reading about Russia's possible actions days and weeks before it happened. Even how Russia will not react until the Olympics were over. I believe the US was not really surprised. However, reaction has to be careful as a military intervention involving any 2 of the 3 or all 3 will cost millions of lives. Serbs do not seem to get that point. Must be some type of genetic block or something.
The fighting in Serbia as well as Ukraine is between the stubbornness of all parties. If America had that kind of myopic view of life we would still be fighting our civil wars. In America we get along although we have ten times the diversity of Europe. Grow up.
(MikeC, 10 March 2014 20:39)The United states signed a lease for the land in Cuba with the govt there in 1903 with a treaty. So the occupation of Guantanamo is legal is not similar to the others.
Again Serbia brought the NATO invasion on itself, if it had complied with any of the 4 UN resolutions there would not have been an invasion. The UNSC is the one that stripped Kosovo from Serbia and would Serbia have given one ounce of effort it could have saved it. But today the same as 1999 and before, Serbia wants the land without the residents and that is not going to happen.
I will not talk of Iraq or Afghanistan as I do not agree that America should have involved itself in either with the exception of the first invasion of Iraq when Saddam invaded Kuwait and that was with the request of the Kuwaiti govt. But on the subject of Afghanistan remember Russia also invaded it a few years before the US.
OK then, I guess that's settled then, you are a "pro imperialist" and I am an "ironic anti imperialist".... gulp, what is that? I think ever since you tripped up on the word "regular" a while back you have been over using your thesaurus to compensate.... let's just call finding a label for me a work in progress for now.
Sorry Nikolle, I still didn't quite catch what your take was on the Estonian FM's revelations re the paid snipers? Shining example of western and/or Albanian values I assume?
you're seriously bad at put downs. let me expand it for you, you're an anti-imperialist in the same way i am a vegetarian. that is to say, i eat meat, but i feel bad for the animal after.
as for that conspiracy theory that made the news before, i have already shared my opinions. if you couldn't be bothered to read them, i can't be bothered to repeat them now
For starter there is China, and most of Asia, but perhaps the free press has forgotten to mention that as they always do.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Well, I don't rely on the press (whether free or not free)... I usually go to the original source. So, when you say that for a starter there is China, I guess you mean that China, as everybody else, is not supporting Russia, because China said http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/xwfw/s2510/t1133558.shtml that it "respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine"
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Putin has outsmarted your entire west, firstly with Georgia and now with Crimea and the west can do NOTHING except play to their home audience of being tough.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Well, not sure I understand why the West should do anything to stop Russia's humiliation; i.e. Russia exposing that it has no support in the world, whatsoever.
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Only the strong don’t need bootlicks hanging around. I watch the UK;s David Cameron and Willaim Hague making bold statments of there will be consequences over the Crimea. Meanwhile back at the ranch they don’t tell people that Russia has huge reserves in UK’s banks and if the Russians get p*** o*** and they withdraw their money the UK’s economy would get a huge jolt and not for the better.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
assuming they can withdraw their money :) Btw, I wonder, why the rich Russians keep their money in the evil UK banks and not in Russia!
Your country is BROKE and living on the fumes of what was once a huge reserve and it gets worse, even with all these cut backs the US will have to borrow another Trillion in December.
(sj, 11 March 2014 23:02)
But apparently it has taken over your life as you seem to spend every waking moment thinking about something you say has no influence in the world.
You must have been reading the wrong papers, I am sure the National Enquirer did not print anything. However, it was all over the press here about the Russian war games and buildup at the Ukraine border and that it was thought it was a pre invasion ploy, sorry if you get the news late, most of the time you don't get it at all and have to create it.
Haha Nikolle, if we are both "pro imperialists" then why are we arguing? :)
No, you are a self described imperialist, I am a reader of B92, this can be my label.
Good to see the Albo trolls are getting a little annoyed now.
So as you were saying about the Estonian FM being a liar?
Crimea is taken and now its the carve up of the rest of Ukraine.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
That's great outcome for the West (not for Ukraine of course)... That will ensure that Ukraine will never be a Russia's ally as long as Crimea is occupied by Russia.
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Perhaps if the US and their allies want to put on a show they first have to get a loan application approved from China approved LOL, LOL.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
No problem... that has been approved already. China should be ashamed for giving money at very cheap rates to the American evil vs the more expensive rates they charge to their Serbian friends.
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Chinese navy ships are in teh Mediteranean off Syria with the Russians against the US.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Oh, dear... Thanks for letting me know. I was planning to go to Cyprus for vacations and did not know that was war zone between Russia, China and US. That's why I so much admire you because you have info that nobody else has :)
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The constant bleeting about superior US weapons, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
I totally agree here. Washington knew that Putin was dumb, but they were surprised for Putin to be so dumb beyond any predictions.
not really, Russia is moving onto other people territory and hence being imperialist. blind followers like yourself have nothing to say about that. Where is Russia's UN green light? why does that not bother you?
OBVIOUSLY attacking the civilian infrastructure of a country is against the law and Schroeder said it as it is. Now the West cannot have pretenses towards Russia after violating the sovereignty of more countries than most Americans even know exist on this planet, can they?
(Peter Sudyka, 10 March 2014 13:20)
You all keep forgetting history, Serbia was given not one but 4 resolutions by the UNSC to alter course and stop the killing. The bombing saved lives, and stopped a 2nd mass murder on European soil.
The UNSC with Russia followed up the bombing by removing Kosovo from Serbian control. None of this is the case in either Ukraine nor Georgia. While Russia did not "agree" with the bombing it did agree to UNSC 1244 forcing Serb forces out of Kosovo
I don't think the west will have any problems condemning the Russian acts, I know I sure don't. My only problem with the NATO intervention they should be ashamed to allow this to drag out for 15 years, it should have been finished in 3 as envisioned by the Rambouillet Accords.
If the Crimeans hold a plebiscite on 16th March and get a majority to join Russia, I hardly see how the West can argue this has no weight.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 15:16)
Did it have relevant weight in Georgia (provinces Abkhazia and South-Ossetia)? Your so-called "plebiscite" is nothing more than a charade. People are intimidated, gunmen everywhere, TV stations closed, reporters harassed and attacked, and we know why, since the majority for secession was never sure. Many Crimeans have a cordially stance towards Russia, but that does not equalize secession as the Razumkov Centre poll in 2011 stated and where 73% of Crimean citizens called Ukraine their home.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself. Even Russian allies such as Belarus and Armenia recognize the interim government in Kiev. Actually, I did not expect Putin to be that stupid, but as Merkel already stated: He is delusional.
Schroeder works for Putin, hence not wanting to criticize him. As a result, his opinion is completely irrelevant and has no value.
(BalkanUpdate, 10 March 2014 11:21)
Ah yes. If someone works for someone you don't like, he/she's completely irrelevant. If someone works for someone you do like, he/she's the voice of reason in a room of idiots.
Schroeder's opinion is just as meaningfully worthless as the next person's, and in regards to Kosovo, comes 15 years too late.
Schroeder, former SOCIAL DEMOCRAT Chancellor of Germany, employee of GAZPROM and long-term friend of Putin has only one interest - his own pocket. It was the same when he was German Chancellor; it is the same now. He will not dare condemn Putin because if he did so, he would lose millions of Euros when the Russians sack him.
For Schroeder, just as for Obama, Bush, Bush's lapdog Blair and for Putin, international law and justice mean nothing if against their own interests. It is a sorry state of affairs that people such as this have so much power.
The Serbian Government would be well placed to place its allegiances carefully with regard to the Crimea crisis - just because Russia is a traditional ally of Serbia does not mean that Serbia can ignore international law and support the annexation of the Crimea by the Russians. If it chose to do this, this would be one further step to alienation in Europe (and I mean the whole of Europe, not just the German-dominated EU). Russia is large and poweerful enough to survive without close ties to Europe - Serbia is not.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself. Even Russian allies such as Belarus and Armenia recognize the interim government in Kiev. Actually, I did not expect Putin to be that stupid, but as Merkel already stated: He is delusional.
(Commentator, 10 March 2014 16:46) Of course he is just like the Serbs "leaders" a judgment from God on the wicked leading to their own inspired doom. 2Th 2:9
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 2Th 2:10
and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Th 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 2Th 2:12
and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. What is coming WW 2 will look like a little incident in commparisen. God's word says if he did not cut the day's of madnees short no flesh would survive on earth. You better belive it the idiots are taking the world of unparalel time of destruction in every fanthomal way. As their incompetence rises greed moraly dead "leaders" will lead the world to disaster like never seen or experienced in history first will be economical.
(sj, 10 March 2014 11:02)
Was worried you were on the missing Malaysian aircraft, but here you are still spilling the same illogical swill as ever.
Wow an earth shattering revelation that the bombing of Serbia was without UNSC resolution. However, the west still feels justified in its actions and remember post bombing the UNSC authorized the same forces that bombed Serbia to oversee the protection of Kosovo, kind of a retro approval. But there will never be so called reparations or even serious talks of such except from virtual dreamers such as you.
As far as there being changes that is true, but not so sure all the way you want.
Russia is operating under the belief that no one will go to WW3 over Ukraine and they are more than likely right, or are they?
But the bottom line it in no way affects what has/is happening in the world of Serbia-Kosovo.
"Amazing how many *former* leaders, military people fess up once they are out of power re the injustice of what happened in Yugoslavia. I can understand living with the shame can't be easy. "
(commentator, 10 March 2014 12:04)
Schroeder didn't say it was injustice, only that a humanitary intervention is not covered by international law. Thus, the west violated these international laws when bombing Serbia, just like Russia violates it now by sending troops to a foreign country without an UN resolution and without declaring state of war against Ukraine. The reason to protect a national minority against national extremists who want to discriminate or expel them is not a reason for an intervention.
If everything is about obtain international law, you must both criticize the west for recognizing the self-declared state of Kosovo and Russia for violating Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity, issuing Russian passports to Ukraine citizens, and allow a potential join of Crimea to Russia. In case of Kosovo, the west didn't allow the territory of Kosovo joining Albania, to be remembered.
Military intervention? Was a single shot fired by Russian marines in Crimea? Never heard about that. Not any single shot. Does that mean anything? What about Kyev? More than hundred killed by snipers hired by so-called "Maidan" ultra-right extremists. Russians are just protecting Russians. Everybody else just back-off and shut up. Best regards. :)
Incorrect Nikolle, unlike you, who explicitly labels yourself as a "pro imperialist" (and still do), I have never mentioned any such term to describe myself.... are you kidding? That is so embarrassing that even George W Bush would blush describing himself like that!
"sunshine" does sound nice... maybe I'll run with that for a while. The "sunshine policy"... actually that is already taken... if I think of an appropriate label I'll get back to you.
Nor do I "cheer" the need for Russia to intervene like this, this a regrettable matter, yes, even for Putin... Funny thing is Russians and Ukrainians get on just fine (they are all "slavs" as you Albanians would derogatorily say).... Russians and "pro imperialism" - currently headed by the USA - however do not get on, hence the current mess. If the USA didn't launch this violet coup attempt during the winter games, we absolutely would not have this situation.
Sorry, Nikolle, I didn't quite catch your response to revelations by the Estonian FM that the "opposition" hired snipers to shoot protestors and police to escalate the situation? Just another day at the office for "pro imperialism" I assume?
My dear lad, you have no idea how important Crimea is. It’s extremely important. Who controls it can control Europe.
(sj, 10 March 2014 13:52)
And you call me delusional. I guess that is why Ukraine became the powerhouse it was and controlled all of Europe was it had Crimea all this time.
Just because some journalist somewhere wrote something does not make it any truer than you saying it. I read articles journalist write all the time and give them their due.
I do agree that Russia has Crimea and it will inevitably keep it as it is doubtful anyone is going to wage a war over it. It is too early to tell what will happen if it advances into Ukraine itself.
But still as I said none of that has anything to do with Kosovo and Serbia no matter how much your group want to link them (Of course people need to be careful about linking it as it would irritate Russia for Serbia to claim it is an illegal act)
And there will probably be reparations to Serbia the day you actually know as much as you think you do. So don't think anyone is holding their breath on that one.
By the way read a bunch of articles on how much this is going to hurt Russia, if I were like you I would take them for gospel, but unlike you I can distinguish between creative or sensational journalism and those that are based on facts.
"Now that ex german leader has opened can of worms..."
(Ned k, 10 March 2014 10:32)
Can of worms? He only stated the obvious, that there was no UN resolution for bombing Serbia to stop the killing and expulsion in Kosovo.
But unlike in Kosovo, where the KFOR troops were sent later under resolution UNSC1244, Russia sent their troops to the Crimea without an UN resolution - nobody is so stupid to believes Putin when he says that 'these are not Russian soldiers' only because they removed their insignia from the Russian uniforms (but stupidly, they are still using military vehicles with Russian number plates).
And the conclusion of Schroeder is correct, the west can criticize Putin, but not from a higher level, because they did similar things.
cheap words, that's all that reply of yours is. Russians and Ukrainians get on fine? don't care about that in the least. This is what I do know, Russia has sent its forces to Crimea, a territory that belongs to a country that is not Russia. the gov. of that country has asked the Russians to leave. they are not doing so, hence they're behaving as the imperialists would. you do not condemn Russian incursion on another state. you hide behind words like regrettable. you support it in fact, hence you support imperialism, hence you're a pro-imperialist.
The return of Crimea to Russia will sweep in new changes that will greatly benefit Serbia. Most on the opposing side that post on B92 have no idea just how profound these changes will be - no clues what so ever.
Crimea means control of the EU. Gerhard Schroeder’s has only told the world what we already know and as those winds of change blow stronger so will there be talk of reparations to Serbia.
Kansler Merkel think it all right to rise from the Street with Violance,
and oust the Democratically elected Ukranian President,
but for The Majority of Krims Population to hold and Democratic referendum about what Nation to belong to is Unconstitutional.
And now this confession by the former German Kansler that Attacking Serbia was Wrong.
Will Germany this time also manage to drag The US and Nato by the Nose,
to interviene in the Ukrainian conflict.
Cant the World see Germanys last Houndreds of Years of Political History,
that She always try to swallow up the Eastern/Central Europes Slavic Peoples.
When will the Usefull Idiot Obama get it Right ?.
Will He be a Bigger Fool than Clinton ?.
Only when there is separation of State and Corporations like with Church and State, then we have peace. Until then we will abuse the words, democracy, genocide, patriotism, international law and abuse the earth for profit.
Kosovo back to Serbia if you want to have legitimacy.
Schroeder, however, said that as Germany's chancellor during the Yugoslav conflict he was violating international law.
B92
What Schroeder cleverly avoids to mention is the reasons behind the decision to send his planes to bomb Serbia and the reason is he's not the one who made the decision.The people who really run the West,are not the politicians,it's the central bankers, The Goldmans Sachs, the General Electrics, Lockheed Martins etctetera, they see economic stagnation, they see massive youth unemployment, they see the rise of China and Russia on their coat tails. In Ukraine Russia didn't foment the chaos and topple the government and place Yatseniuk in power.It was Victoria Nuland who was recorded saying that Yatseniuk was going to be Prime Minister two weeks ago.If the Crimeans hold a plebiscite on 16th March and get a majority to join Russia, I hardly see how the West can argue this has no weight.
Amazing how many *former* leaders, military people fess up once they are out of power re the injustice of what happened in Yugoslavia. I can understand living with the shame can't be easy.
I look forward to *current* leaders doing the same one day and trying to make it right.
I'm not holding my breath though, the "pro imperialists" have a stranglehold on power for now. They and their blind followers like Nikolle will stumble forward causing havoc globally until they hit an immovable object....... come to think of it, Russia is a large, immovable oject.
Let's hope they learn some lessons over the next few months.
It's a pity that politicians can speak candidly and truthfully only once they are no longer in positions of power. I guess political correctness is a weapon of censorship against the European elite as well.
OBVIOUSLY attacking the civilian infrastructure of a country is against the law and Schroeder said it as it is. Now the West cannot have pretenses towards Russia after violating the sovereignty of more countries than most Americans even know exist on this planet, can they?
(pss, 10 March 2014 12:50)
Many things are illogical to you and your ilk. The fact that Schroeder, a former leader of Germany, admits to what they did in Kosovo was illegal is a revelation; simply put these things are never mentioned because they leave you open to paying out money. It’s generally called payment on moral grounds.
Lad, there was no retrro approval in the UNSC. Your just dreaming. Each action calls for a new resolution and the bombing is not covered by occupation resolution. You defintely need to get out and about.
You fascinate me at your lack of awareness. Robert gates was interviewed yesterday on your media and he said that Crimea was gone and the US cannot do a thing. The US is so far out of touch of reality that it squawkes sactions automatically at anything without realising that should Russia retailate with trade bans your economy would fall on its back. This is not 1990s, you have to get it through your head; your being brainwashed into believing the US is invincable – its extremely vulnerable.
An Aussie journalist wrote an article about 12 months on America’s situation and said that the US leadership has kept many things from its people espeically how weak the US has become and when the people finally discover this fact there will be a revolution.
My dear lad, you have no idea how important Crimea is. It’s extremely important. Who controls it can control Europe.
, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Maybe news is slow to reach you, but we were reading about Russia's possible actions days and weeks before it happened. Even how Russia will not react until the Olympics were over. I believe the US was not really surprised. However, reaction has to be careful as a military intervention involving any 2 of the 3 or all 3 will cost millions of lives. Serbs do not seem to get that point. Must be some type of genetic block or something.
On the contrary after Ossetia,Syria and Iran Putin has outsmarted the West again. He has achieved his objective of effectively annexing the Crimea –
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Well, annexing Crimea and outsmarting anybody has no logical connection. Some people here make some shortcuts that make no sense. Putin is annexing Crimea by just using crude force. That actually shows how dumb Putin is; somebody who is smart achieves objectives without resorting to crude force as the first choice.
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allowing Russia unbridled access to its southern ports.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Sorry, but what was bridling Russia’s access to its southern ports?! The above makes no sense, at all…
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Putin recognises this as well the decline of the US to police the so called freeworld.
(Leonidas, 10 March 2014 18:06)
Well, Putin being so dumb, also fully exposed Russia's total lack of influence in the world. No country, not a single one, not even Russia’s strongest “allies” (if Russia has any), supported Russia. Somebody has to be a bit smart and privately get some support beforehand to avoid such humiliation.
Putin just managed to bring the peoples of Georgia and soon Ukraine against him, and unlike in Georgia this time it will backfire to Russia, by the international community and Ukraine itself.
B92
On the contrary after Ossetia,Syria and Iran Putin has outsmarted the West again. He has achieved his objective of effectively annexing the Crimea - allowing Russia unbridled access to its southern ports. He has played his main bargaining chip - the supply of gas to Western Europe - admirably. Meanwhile the Western leaders have blustered impotently. The EC, as always, has proved totally ineffective. I would say 3 points to Putin.The "Putin' factor also exposes the inherent weakness of the EU. The unelected Ashton and Rumpey proclaim the EU stance bolstered by the touching naivety of Kerry who constantly refers to the EU as if it were a 'nation' state with a commom foreign policy. In reality Germany, the Uk ,France and uncle tom cobbly et all pursue their own national interests whilst in the EU but often in opposition to the meanderings of Ashton and co. The sooner this political contradiction of the EU to reasoned and coherent policy implodes the better. Putin recognises this as well the decline of the US to police the so called freeworld. Frankly the US manoeuvres has been to show them as weak and duplicitous with the truth. 'Putin is mad','the opposition are freedom fighters' and so on. The US gets punier by the day.
The fighting in Serbia as well as Ukraine is between the stubbornness of all parties. If America had that kind of myopic view of life we would still be fighting our civil wars. In America we get along although we have ten times the diversity of Europe. Grow up.
Now that ex german leader has opened can of worms, Serbia should be suing Eu and its allies us for masive destruction of small country, they should put their heads in sand, kaima is a bitch.
""Pro imperialism".... the most ridiculous ideology ever."
you're a pro-imperialist sunshine. you cheer Russian incursion into another state, without UN approval.
Nikolle
That didn't seem to be a problem to you when Nato entered Serbia and took away 12% of its internationally recognized borders and gave it to albanians. Kosovo has never been independent but throughout its history Serbian territory. I don't hear you complain to why America is occupying a part of Cuba. And what about americans involvment in Irak, Afghanistan, south America etc? I guess all of that is ok because its America.
""Pro imperialism".... the most ridiculous ideology ever."
you're a pro-imperialist sunshine. you cheer Russian incursion into another state, without UN approval.
Nikolle
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NATO bombed Serbia WITHOUT UN approval. You celebrated that one.
And what about americans involvment in Irak, Afghanistan, south America etc? I guess all of that is ok because its America.
(MikeC, 10 March 2014 20:39)
You got it right, dear... "Involvment" and not annexing somebody's territories to America. We are not in the 19th century... pardon, the world is not in the 19th century, except for Russia :)
OK then, I guess that's settled then, you are a "pro imperialist" and I am an "ironic anti imperialist".... gulp, what is that? I think ever since you tripped up on the word "regular" a while back you have been over using your thesaurus to compensate.... let's just call finding a label for me a work in progress for now.
Sorry Nikolle, I still didn't quite catch what your take was on the Estonian FM's revelations re the paid snipers? Shining example of western and/or Albanian values I assume?
you're seriously bad at put downs. let me expand it for you, you're an anti-imperialist in the same way i am a vegetarian. that is to say, i eat meat, but i feel bad for the animal after.
as for that conspiracy theory that made the news before, i have already shared my opinions. if you couldn't be bothered to read them, i can't be bothered to repeat them now
(icj1, 11 March 2014 05:06)
For an Albanian Einstein you surely come up with some silly statments. For starter there is China, and most of Asia, but perhaps the free press has forgotten to mention that as they always do. Putin has outsmarted your entire west, firstly with Georgia and now with Crimea and the west can do NOTHING except play to their home audience of being tough.
Only the strong don’t need bootlicks hanging around. I watch the UK;s David Cameron and Willaim Hague making bold statments of there will be consequences over the Crimea. Meanwhile back at the ranch they don’t tell people that Russia has huge reserves in UK’s banks and if the Russians get p*** o*** and they withdraw their money the UK’s economy would get a huge jolt and not for the better.
Crimea is taken and now its the carve up of the rest of Ukraine. Perhaps if the US and their allies want to put on a show they first have to get a loan application approved from China approved LOL, LOL. Chinese navy ships are in teh Mediteranean off Syria with the Russians against the US.
The constant bleeting about superior US weapons, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
For starter there is China, and most of Asia, but perhaps the free press has forgotten to mention that as they always do.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Well, I don't rely on the press (whether free or not free)... I usually go to the original source. So, when you say that for a starter there is China, I guess you mean that China, as everybody else, is not supporting Russia, because China said http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/xwfw/s2510/t1133558.shtml that it "respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine"
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Putin has outsmarted your entire west, firstly with Georgia and now with Crimea and the west can do NOTHING except play to their home audience of being tough.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Well, not sure I understand why the West should do anything to stop Russia's humiliation; i.e. Russia exposing that it has no support in the world, whatsoever.
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Only the strong don’t need bootlicks hanging around. I watch the UK;s David Cameron and Willaim Hague making bold statments of there will be consequences over the Crimea. Meanwhile back at the ranch they don’t tell people that Russia has huge reserves in UK’s banks and if the Russians get p*** o*** and they withdraw their money the UK’s economy would get a huge jolt and not for the better.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
assuming they can withdraw their money :) Btw, I wonder, why the rich Russians keep their money in the evil UK banks and not in Russia!
Crimea is taken and now its the carve up of the rest of Ukraine.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
That's great outcome for the West (not for Ukraine of course)... That will ensure that Ukraine will never be a Russia's ally as long as Crimea is occupied by Russia.
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Perhaps if the US and their allies want to put on a show they first have to get a loan application approved from China approved LOL, LOL.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
No problem... that has been approved already. China should be ashamed for giving money at very cheap rates to the American evil vs the more expensive rates they charge to their Serbian friends.
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Chinese navy ships are in teh Mediteranean off Syria with the Russians against the US.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
Oh, dear... Thanks for letting me know. I was planning to go to Cyprus for vacations and did not know that was war zone between Russia, China and US. That's why I so much admire you because you have info that nobody else has :)
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The constant bleeting about superior US weapons, Washington was caught out completely by surprise with Russia’s actions.
(sj, 11 March 2014 12:28)
I totally agree here. Washington knew that Putin was dumb, but they were surprised for Putin to be so dumb beyond any predictions.
A New Day but an all too familiar set of old fabrications from our distinguished colleague. The NATO staged exodus of Kosovan Albanians was nothing to do with the Serbian Army and you know it. It just gave those idiots in Whitehall and the Pentagon an excuse to destroy Serbia's infrastructure so that it would never recover from the debt the IMF and "World Bank" would subsequently put it under. Also allowing a large US military base to arise from the ashes of Kosovo....now wasn't that a coincidence? Quite frankly I like Putin because he's got some balls and not because he's Russian and look forward to one day having a leader like him in Serbia. If I lived in Crimea he'd get my vote and I'm not Russian!!! Let's see how the poll goes at least they are being given a vote which is more than can be said for the rest of the Ukraine the percentage of whom were out on the streets in Kiev was minuscule and does represent any widespread desire to join the EU. When most British people want to leave the EU why would Ukraine or in fact Serbia want to join???
(New Dawn, 10 March 2014 19:21)
Your views on the NATO led intervention is just a lame excuse because you refuse to admit the horrors your people caused. The big US base, I laugh everytime you guys say that as a reason for the mission like the US has actually done anything with the base.
As far as you getting a leader like Putin I am all for it if you want it, you deserve it.
(pss, 10 March 2014 18:52)
I have neither the time nor inclination to expalin to you what Crimea means in this instance so I suggest to talk to someone who does. But if you see me as deluded then lets leave it at that and you will see what happens.
As far as articles you have read, wake me up when they start hurting Russia as this is a double edged sword, but your free press never mentions that one eh? Here is tip for you – if they could have done that they would have already.
Your country is BROKE and living on the fumes of what was once a huge reserve and it gets worse, even with all these cut backs the US will have to borrow another Trillion in December.
(sj, 11 March 2014 23:02)
But apparently it has taken over your life as you seem to spend every waking moment thinking about something you say has no influence in the world.
You must have been reading the wrong papers, I am sure the National Enquirer did not print anything. However, it was all over the press here about the Russian war games and buildup at the Ukraine border and that it was thought it was a pre invasion ploy, sorry if you get the news late, most of the time you don't get it at all and have to create it.
How exactly is this 'news', let alone a revelation? It was a flagrant breach of international law where those planning to do the bombing did their best to feed the flames (literally too). Create a crisis by funding, arming and training terrorists, and then come to the rescue and 'solve' the crisis by bombing.
Haha Nikolle, if we are both "pro imperialists" then why are we arguing? :)
No, you are a self described imperialist, I am a reader of B92, this can be my label.
Good to see the Albo trolls are getting a little annoyed now.
So as you were saying about the Estonian FM being a liar?
(MikeC, 10 March 2014 20:39)The United states signed a lease for the land in Cuba with the govt there in 1903 with a treaty. So the occupation of Guantanamo is legal is not similar to the others.
Again Serbia brought the NATO invasion on itself, if it had complied with any of the 4 UN resolutions there would not have been an invasion. The UNSC is the one that stripped Kosovo from Serbia and would Serbia have given one ounce of effort it could have saved it. But today the same as 1999 and before, Serbia wants the land without the residents and that is not going to happen.
I will not talk of Iraq or Afghanistan as I do not agree that America should have involved itself in either with the exception of the first invasion of Iraq when Saddam invaded Kuwait and that was with the request of the Kuwaiti govt. But on the subject of Afghanistan remember Russia also invaded it a few years before the US.
You little Crownuts better grow some eyes behind your heads, get yourselves some Kleenex, and start saying your Hail Marys, cuz the first, real opportunity them Serbs get they'll be storming you from behind. "Operation Storm Auspuh."
I can agree with many here, that his opinion does not matter and is irrelevant. I would add that it never mattered and it was always irrelevant. Just one of the clones West is using as "politicians". Worthless people, worthless opinions. Yesterday. Today. Tomorrow. Always.
(pss, 11 March 2014 15:33)
You should try and pay attention to your leaders’ reactions and they reacted with total surprise much like in Georgia where there superior satellites did not detect Russians building up troops or hardware – now perhaps you see what I mean by bleating superior only to have a public humiliation of not being that superior.
I have access to US papers and I did not see anything about that prior to Russia sending in troops with no insignia. Yes, a few talked wrote about UIkraine being led by a “despotic” President and where the people would take back their country, but nothing like what is happening now.
If you are not going to intervene then shut the f*** up! It’s easy to intervene when someone is unarmed, but try it now and see how far you go – United States of Piss and Wind!!!!!!
Your country is BROKE and living on the fumes of what was once a huge reserve and it gets worse, even with all these cut backs the US will have to borrow another Trillion in December.
icj1, 12 March 2014 04:18)
The Albanian Einstein has found the flaws again and as usual made 2+2 = 10.
Apart from money kept at home the Russians like most couintries keep money alll over the world not just in one place. They have accounts in Switzerland, Japan, Asia and even Australia.
Here is some news for you lad, that kind of money is withdraw and redeposited with 10 seconds. However, since London does not want to hear their economy go crash, they have given guarantees that they will not freeze accounts, but even if they did the Russians will freeze all assests held by western coroprations in Russia and that is a sizable amount too.
While they rant and rave business is business and continues without a hick up. People like you dont beleive this happens, but it does, ask the US – at the height of WW2 certain ships in teh Atlantic were never attacked becasue they carried gold shipments for loan repayments from Nazi germany to US banks.
(icj1, 12 March 2014 04:19)
„That's great outcome for the West (not for Ukraine of course)... That will ensure that Ukraine will never be a Russia's ally as long as Crimea is occupied by Russia.“
I’m sure the Russians are going to lose sleep over this.
„No problem... that has been approved already. China should be ashamed for giving money at very cheap rates to the American evil vs the more expensive rates they charge to their Serbian friends. „
China makes a lot of money and they dont give it cheaply either. The US pays a nice heafy price for those loans.
„Oh, dear... Thanks for letting me know. I was planning to go to Cyprus for vacations and did not know that was war zone between Russia, China and US. That's why I so much admire you because you have info that nobody else has „
It always hard to talk to stupid people becasue they lead such a sheltered life and think that all the news and information is in the western media. Hate to dissapoint you but its all true.
„I totally agree here. Washington knew that Putin was dumb, but they were surprised for Putin to be so dumb beyond any predictions“
And what are they going to dop about it? SFA, mate. Yes, Putin is my kind of dumby while you have Sarah Palin and Joe Biden LOL.
Lets look at your side’s success –Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Ukraine, all total failures. Iraq is reverting to the stone age with now passing a law where girls age 9 can be married – did you hear that one? its fact.
at the height of WW2 certain ships in teh Atlantic were never attacked becasue they carried gold shipments for loan repayments from Nazi germany to US banks.
(sj, 12 March 2014 10:34)
Just to appreciate the expression of Gerhard Schroeder's opinion is a breath of good air.So tired of ultimatums and sanctions that make it's own victims as the time goes along. Also irresponsible to judge at a time of a world financial deflation crisis, a time of weakness in the world where leaders can all, except a few, have not made or are not still making violations that are almost the norm.Some less coqueted pot top from the top should set down and have real arguments with real people.I am honoured that such a man can speak for what he thinks of as human and ideal in context with "worth".
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