Majority see marriage as union between man and woman

lol @ croatia.

They now have a constitution that prohibits discrimination based on gender and a referendum passed that wants to change the constitution that adds a clause that discriminates based on gender.

Sorry, weirdo catholic activists. You're in the EU now and this isn't going to go over as you would like.

This is probably something that I truly hate most about the EU. A marriage can only be a man and a woman. Anything else is a perverted deviation from the norm. I cannot understand how it can even be questioned! I am absolutely against gay rights to marry and to adopt children. It is simply disgusting and unnatural!

I understand that people can be gay and it is their right to be so, but to parade it in public and demand equal rights with the straight norm in terms of legislature should be banned without quesiton!

It is this kind of social degeneration and boundless tolerance (and even promotion of anything deviant) that is leading to the total destruction of society's moral fibre in the West and weakening the concept of a healthy community. What the hell next? Leglize man-animal marriages? Perhaps adult-children marriages? Or what about corpses next?

I think this is one on which the majority of Serbs would agree with their Croatian "brethren". Shame we can't agree on much else!!

(Peter Sudyka, 27 November 2013 11:55)

What is wrong gay people adopting? If they're going to give a child a proper home, care, affection and a proper future then I see nothing wrong with this. What gays get upto on a nighttime in their own bed room behind closed doors is nothing to do with parenting. It is not as if gay parents are automatically going to be sodomising one another in front of their adopted children. Any kind of sexual activity in front of children is wrong, regardless if it is heterosexual or homosexual.

There should be no such thing as gay-rights or straight-rights, there should be human rights which apply to all humans regardless of their gender, ethnicity, race or sexuality.

Your last paragraph is laughable therefore I won't bother responding to it.

Absolutely sickening that there are people out there that believe that a male-male partnership can be allowed a marriage and for that marriage to be equal to a male-female marriage! A male-female marriage can give birth to another human being. Homosexuals can never give birth. An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father.
(MG, 28 November 2013 04:53)

A male-female marriage can give birth to another human being, but not always. Should we ban infertile heterosexuals from getting married? Or women over the age of 40 who can no longer conceive a child?

The issue is, is that fetile heterosexual couples don't want to adopt if they can have their own children. There are more orphan children than there are heterosexual couples wanting to adopt.

"An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father." Wouldn't it be better to have two dads or two mums rather than having no parents what so ever? And what about the children of single parents? Why should adopted children have the right to a mother and a father but not children of single parents? And should single people be allowed to adopt as well?

F.Y.I. Gays {QUEERS}are very biased against normal{straight} people. Gay {QUEER} pride{?} parades are disgusting and obscene. Remember,there was a Sodom and Gomorrah.

(Peter Sudyka, 27 November 2013 11:55)

So, you would have children be kept under the authority of their respective state rather than them grow up in a loving, caring home?

"I understand that there are black people and it is their right to be so, but to parade it in public and demand equal rights with the white norm in terms of legislature should be banned without question!"

Spin it any way...

Your final paragraph caused me to fall out of my chair. Ouch. Nothing to say.

Absolutely sickening that there are people out there that believe that a male-male partnership can be allowed a marriage and for that marriage to be equal to a male-female marriage! A male-female marriage can give birth to another human being. Homosexuals can never give birth. An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father.

Exactly!! But Gays are also human beings having a life they are comfortable with. But also to parade in public seems degrading to me.

Perhaps adult-children marriages? Or what about corpses next?
(Peter Sudyka, 27 November 2013 11:55)
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Adult/child marriages already happen in Islamic societies and it's so very sick, sick sick.
The last one is also sick but I see where you are going with your argument.
Once the law stops defining a marriage as between a man and a woman you worry that it will snowball from there.
Perhaps if safeguards were put in place against that I believe more people would warm up to the idea.

"An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father." Wouldn't it be better to have two dads or two mums rather than having no parents what so ever? And what about the children of single parents? Why should adopted children have the right to a mother and a father but not children of single parents? And should single people be allowed to adopt as well?
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2013 11:39)
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I am all for same sex marriage and have always defended the rights of gays but what you wrote here is ridiculous.
Bringing single parents into the argument is a really bad idea.
For a start those children do have a mother and a father but they just don't live together. Both parents are usually in their lives.
If you want a strong argument don't throw ridiculous examples in there.

I am all for same sex marriage and have always defended the rights of gays but what you wrote here is ridiculous.
Bringing single parents into the argument is a really bad idea.
For a start those children do have a mother and a father but they just don't live together. Both parents are usually in their lives.
If you want a strong argument don't throw ridiculous examples in there.
(Peggy, 1 December 2013 21:13)

You've completed overlooked what I was saying.

His argument was that adopted children should have the right to a mother and a father. My argument was that isn't always going to be possible and it is better to have either one parent or two of the same gender instead of having no parents at all.

I also stated why should adopted children have the right to a mother and a father, but non-adopted children don't? Yes in many (and probably most cases) in Europe children of single parents do have a mother and a father in their lives, however this is not always the case. Sometimes one is deceased or the other has left before they were even born. Why should these children not have the right to both a mother and a father, but adopted do? What about children who live with their grandparents or aunts/ uncles?

My final point was, should single adults who live on their own be allowed to adopt? Considering his argument that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt because they should have the right to both a mother and father.

lol @ croatia.

They now have a constitution that prohibits discrimination based on gender and a referendum passed that wants to change the constitution that adds a clause that discriminates based on gender.

Sorry, weirdo catholic activists. You're in the EU now and this isn't going to go over as you would like.

This is probably something that I truly hate most about the EU. A marriage can only be a man and a woman. Anything else is a perverted deviation from the norm. I cannot understand how it can even be questioned! I am absolutely against gay rights to marry and to adopt children. It is simply disgusting and unnatural!

I understand that people can be gay and it is their right to be so, but to parade it in public and demand equal rights with the straight norm in terms of legislature should be banned without quesiton!

It is this kind of social degeneration and boundless tolerance (and even promotion of anything deviant) that is leading to the total destruction of society's moral fibre in the West and weakening the concept of a healthy community. What the hell next? Leglize man-animal marriages? Perhaps adult-children marriages? Or what about corpses next?

(Peter Sudyka, 27 November 2013 11:55)

What is wrong gay people adopting? If they're going to give a child a proper home, care, affection and a proper future then I see nothing wrong with this. What gays get upto on a nighttime in their own bed room behind closed doors is nothing to do with parenting. It is not as if gay parents are automatically going to be sodomising one another in front of their adopted children. Any kind of sexual activity in front of children is wrong, regardless if it is heterosexual or homosexual.

There should be no such thing as gay-rights or straight-rights, there should be human rights which apply to all humans regardless of their gender, ethnicity, race or sexuality.

Your last paragraph is laughable therefore I won't bother responding to it.

F.Y.I. Gays {QUEERS}are very biased against normal{straight} people. Gay {QUEER} pride{?} parades are disgusting and obscene. Remember,there was a Sodom and Gomorrah.

Absolutely sickening that there are people out there that believe that a male-male partnership can be allowed a marriage and for that marriage to be equal to a male-female marriage! A male-female marriage can give birth to another human being. Homosexuals can never give birth. An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father.
(MG, 28 November 2013 04:53)

A male-female marriage can give birth to another human being, but not always. Should we ban infertile heterosexuals from getting married? Or women over the age of 40 who can no longer conceive a child?

The issue is, is that fetile heterosexual couples don't want to adopt if they can have their own children. There are more orphan children than there are heterosexual couples wanting to adopt.

"An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father." Wouldn't it be better to have two dads or two mums rather than having no parents what so ever? And what about the children of single parents? Why should adopted children have the right to a mother and a father but not children of single parents? And should single people be allowed to adopt as well?

I think this is one on which the majority of Serbs would agree with their Croatian "brethren". Shame we can't agree on much else!!

Exactly!! But Gays are also human beings having a life they are comfortable with. But also to parade in public seems degrading to me.

Absolutely sickening that there are people out there that believe that a male-male partnership can be allowed a marriage and for that marriage to be equal to a male-female marriage! A male-female marriage can give birth to another human being. Homosexuals can never give birth. An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father.

"An adopted child should have the human right to a mother and a father." Wouldn't it be better to have two dads or two mums rather than having no parents what so ever? And what about the children of single parents? Why should adopted children have the right to a mother and a father but not children of single parents? And should single people be allowed to adopt as well?
(Ian, UK, 28 November 2013 11:39)
=============================
I am all for same sex marriage and have always defended the rights of gays but what you wrote here is ridiculous.
Bringing single parents into the argument is a really bad idea.
For a start those children do have a mother and a father but they just don't live together. Both parents are usually in their lives.
If you want a strong argument don't throw ridiculous examples in there.

Perhaps adult-children marriages? Or what about corpses next?
(Peter Sudyka, 27 November 2013 11:55)
=====================================
Adult/child marriages already happen in Islamic societies and it's so very sick, sick sick.
The last one is also sick but I see where you are going with your argument.
Once the law stops defining a marriage as between a man and a woman you worry that it will snowball from there.
Perhaps if safeguards were put in place against that I believe more people would warm up to the idea.

(Peter Sudyka, 27 November 2013 11:55)

So, you would have children be kept under the authority of their respective state rather than them grow up in a loving, caring home?

"I understand that there are black people and it is their right to be so, but to parade it in public and demand equal rights with the white norm in terms of legislature should be banned without question!"

Spin it any way...

Your final paragraph caused me to fall out of my chair. Ouch. Nothing to say.

I am all for same sex marriage and have always defended the rights of gays but what you wrote here is ridiculous.
Bringing single parents into the argument is a really bad idea.
For a start those children do have a mother and a father but they just don't live together. Both parents are usually in their lives.
If you want a strong argument don't throw ridiculous examples in there.
(Peggy, 1 December 2013 21:13)

You've completed overlooked what I was saying.

His argument was that adopted children should have the right to a mother and a father. My argument was that isn't always going to be possible and it is better to have either one parent or two of the same gender instead of having no parents at all.

I also stated why should adopted children have the right to a mother and a father, but non-adopted children don't? Yes in many (and probably most cases) in Europe children of single parents do have a mother and a father in their lives, however this is not always the case. Sometimes one is deceased or the other has left before they were even born. Why should these children not have the right to both a mother and a father, but adopted do? What about children who live with their grandparents or aunts/ uncles?

My final point was, should single adults who live on their own be allowed to adopt? Considering his argument that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt because they should have the right to both a mother and father.