“Serbia wants agreement, but not humiliation”

Thaci and Ivica were on same plane to NY. They had the opportunity to chat all way from Brussels to NY.

Serbia wants dialogue and the situation cleared which is exactly what the Albanians do not want. It is very difficult to have negotiations while one side is doing everything in order not to reach the solution.

“Serbia wants agreement, but not humiliation”

Let me list shortly what Serbs want:

-They want a RS on Kosovo's soil with executive power which overrules Prishtina decision, giving more power to Serbs than they had during SFRY times and practically obstructing Kosovo in political life.
-They want to exclude those territories and make them de facto independent, and decreasing Kosovo's territories below the level before the war
-They want the smaller Kosovo with less power and decreased in size to remain a Serbian province.

Leave alone what Serbs have done 1989-99. This comes on top.

This is the Serbian version of "compromise". ... *lol*...

No further comment.

Humiliation? Like murdering our loved ones, burning and raping everything in sight? How do you think we felt when your boss left us homeless in 1999?

Did you hear what PM Thaci said, he explicitly stated that we will seek to redress our grievances ("reparations"). YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO FEEL HUMILIATED YOU FREAKIN COMMUNIST!


Tung,

to 'john'

Do you even live in Kosmet tough guy? Kosovo je Srbija get it through your thick skull!

Its is quite obvious that the two sides are far a part from any agreement. Serbia is not truly looking for a compromise with Kosovo. Anyone familiar with Kosovo's past could see that Serbia wants a division of Kosovo. There is no state in the world that would agree to executive powers for a set of municipalities. Such an agreement would mean that Serbia is planting the seeds of separatism.

I can not see how Europeans are coming out saying that we are close to an agreement when the PM of Serbia defiantly says in front of the entire UN that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo. If you deny someone the chance to exist (in this case Kosovo) then Serbia is naturally preparing the field for a future conflict. Of course when the moment is ripe.

I personally do not see a solution in sight. I am afraid that at the end when these talks are declared a failure; Thaqi with the blessing of the NATO would have to move his army and take over the north by force just as Croatia did. With Nato troops guarding Kosovos borders Serbia is no threat to Kosovo. Furthermore Nato's patience is wearing thin with Serbs causing trouble every single day. History unfortunately has proven many times that Serbs are stuborn, defiant and incapable of striking a deal. This type of manuvering has caused Serbs a great deal of loss in Croatia, Bosnia and it will cost them dearly in Kosovo as well. All or nothing is always a dangerous proposition.

"To seek war reparation Kosovo must be an entity in the International law, and since it is not, Mr. Tachi coud kiss the money goodbye.
(Nina R., 22 March 2013 21:16) "

Reparations can be claimed by individuals - in fact, they receive priority over payments to states under international law.

The alabanians will never renege because they are being supported by the evil empire, and quite frankly, I do not blame them. Why give up something when you do not have to. My only issue is the way the albanians on this forum ramble on as if they were the conquerers, when in realty, they are nothing. The question is what are they going to do when satan eventually leaves? God bless North Korea and Iran.

In the middle of negotiations we hear a statement that Hashim Thaci will seek war reparations from Serbia. Is this a new way to show his good will for reconciliation?

Thaci:“Serbia’s role is destructive”

Here you can see what Dacic& Nikolic are speaking about with their "historical" dreams. Prishtina with clear words which are showing that the Albanian side will settle some points in favour of Prishtina, but that all. Belgrade will leave the place with empty hands.

Even UNSC President, when he took the floor as Russian Rep, he spoke mainly about the will of Serbs in northern Mitro and not entire Kosova. Look like, Russia will go along with signed agreement on April 2,2013. Just like Russian Ambassador to Belgrade said once: "I cannot be more of Serb than Serbs themselves", end of quote.

Other's people right to freedom and dignity represents humiliation for Serbia.

“Serbia wants dialogue and the situation cleared…” (Milli, 22 March)

What??! Serbia wants void deals for obtain EU date and nothing more, Serbia are dealing with not a country but a rebel province according its constitution are reserving its “right” of at any time in future attack the “foreign people” for retake its possession. How can Kosovars accept this “asymmetrical” talks for only put Serbia in condition of resolve its economic problems and prepare the future war? Kosovo don t need Serbia recognition of this independence and must voice that Kosovo and presevo valley etc. are Albanian lands and draft with Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary and perhaps Bulgaria the real map of the Balkans, a defense agreement with these countries is the only real guarantee aside USA involvement that no other war can be launched.
Kosovo needs only accept real recognition like basis for a real dialogue, Serbia mustdemonstrate that are not cooking another war for future on behalf of its territorial aspirations, if no deal Kosovo and the other balkanic countries should make regional aliances and markets without Serbia and Kosovo not more buy any Serbian product, the commercial war avoid the blood war ahead. Irinej, Kostunica and Jeremic must be stopped with their fantasies (Serbian elite fantasies that the trio try execute on their respective fields) of a creation of a Serbian empire.

Thaci was asking for compensation in the UN, is this the new understanding between Serbs and Albanians? Thaci is clever and shows that there is no room for illusions what he want.

To seek war reparation Kosovo must be an entity in the International law, and since it is not, Mr. Tachi coud kiss the money goodbye.

"Jermany" You should learn the correct spelling like your mother's name. Your economic survival depends on their goodwill.

Do you even live in Kosmet tough guy? Kosovo je Srbija get it through your thick skull!
(Ratko, 22 March 2013 20:18)

Repeating it doesn't make it true. Joseph Goebbels once said "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Is this what you're trying to do here?

Come and visit Kosova and you will see that Kosova really isn't Serbia. I'm not lying, come and see with your own eyes!

Jeremic is humiliation for all serbs.
He is most successful clown from whole Balkan...

After many years of conflicts, the region should start a new phase of the dialogue. Serbia is committed to the dialogue. But political will and courage to make a compromise are necessary for the progress in the Belgrade-Priština relations. Serbia is ready to make the dialogue work but it is not ready for humiliation and double standards. I hope the dialogue will lead to a fair and permanent solution and that all of us will turn to the future,” he said.

Humiliation? Double standards? Dacic, are you forgetting the humiliation & double standards your Serbia forcefully inflicted upon the citizens of Kosova during the 1980s-1990s? Dacic, are you forgetting ethnic cleansing of non Serbs within Kosova, that your government of Serbia ordered to be enforced upon the majority citizens of Kosova? This dialog currently underway, between Kosova & Serbia is not about humiliating Serbia, rather this dialog & process is about respecting the will of the people of Kosova, the will that now, nearly 100 nations have made the choice to support & respect! This process, should be looked at by Serbia and her people, as a chance to "de-humiliate" Serbia, of the humiliation she has cast upon herself, for the last 20-30 years! Kosova's majority Albanians population, has forever lost, between 7,500-10,000 of her sons & daughters, due to Serbia's humiliating policy's of the last 30 years! So Dacic, don't try and force upon us, Serbia's interpretation of the meaning of humiliation!

“After many years of conflicts, the region should start a new phase of the dialogue. Serbia is committed to the dialogue. "

Dacic lost any contact with the reality and the real interests of the Albanina side. He is producing only hot air and is ready to cross every red line, it seems he has sold his sould.

Jermany wants humiliation & agreement. 1914. 1940. 2013? Two failures by Jermany so far.

"Kosovo je srbija" according to ratko. This is a good one. It is truly funny. Even a year ago I could read this in every second serbian comment. For the last few months serbs didn't want to look ridicule and didn't write it anymore. Even Dacic acknowledged that it is a lie. Well ratko reminds me of that Japanese soldier who was hiding in Guam for some 50 years and taught that WWII is still not over.

sandy, asking for reparations is more than justifiable in light of all the destruction and suffering the K-Albanians went through.

A couple of things, Does Serbia think there can be more humiliation than the UNSC adopting a resolution expelling you from part of your country and keeping international forces there for 14 years with the task of keeping your forces from moving across the border. Can there possibly be more humiliation than publicly declaring that this land is yours and your highest leaders must ask permission to visit and then if it is denied there is nothing you can do about it?
A negotiated end which has a voluntary agreement to let that land go is not even in the ball park of humiliation that the leaders are condemning Serbia to.
If anyone listened to the UNSC it was almost laughable when it came around to Russia. He read his statement so fast that I expected him to jump up and run to the bathroom as soon as he finished. A gastrointestinal disorder is the only thing I have seen that could cause someone to be in that big a hurry to finish.
And at last a new term to float for the next few months---"ethnic cleansing by peaceful means" as opposed to the Milosevic method of ethnic cleansing by force and violence.

Thanks John for saving my time!

To Rocky :(what a name) you seem to be paid to repeat the same things all over again (is it your mission?)...30 years of humiliation??? and is that why so many Albanians came to live in Kosovo within Yougoslavia ?since the population grew so dramatically during that same period of time?..is it because life was so hard having your own schools,a system of education and health services...and basically you all had the same right (use of your language and your news-papers etc... as anyone else in then yougoslavia...can you give some example of what kind of humiliation you are talking about? many people suffered and disappeared on ALL sides and your numbers are bogus...Now if we do not want to go as far back as when America was calling the KLA a terror organization or the SS voluntary corps of Albanians, than let's stick to the present and you,you Albanians of the "new" born conutry)show respect and real justice,let refugees return and live in peace and then and only then you should require recognition....that might be the hardest impossible thing for you to do...be BETTER than the people you are accusing of mistreating you back then....

Thaqi with the blessing of the NATO would have to move his army and take over the north by force just as Croatia did. With Nato troops guarding Kosovos borders Serbia is no threat to Kosovo
=========================

I see, ten attack one guy while twenty of their mates are holding the guy's brother back.
Can you people get any more cowardly?
Let's see you do your own fighting for once.
Don't involve anyone else. You do it yourself if you have the guts.
OK, take Albania with you so you can't say I am not being fair.

I'm sorry I will not be making friends with this comment.

The reality is that the world has settled the kosova issue. Not because they like Albanians or Serbs more than the other it is because they want to be done with jugoslavia. Serbia was left in charge and it didn't turn out too nice. Now they will Prishtina a chance.

The money is no big deal to these greater powers. They will keep sending money to Belgrade and Prishtina they just want u guys to shut up, sit down, and be good.

Serbia has recognized kosova and now all that's left if for Serbia to get a date to eu, so the great powers have Serbia and Bosnia play nice. The powers don't hate or love anyone in the Balkans. They just want everyone to be good and do ripple their backyard.

This lot has been taking the same course as its predecessors and have led Serbia to humiliation and self-capitulation time and again. You are the case of it PM.

In the middle of negotiations we hear a statement that Hashim Thaci will seek war reparations from Serbia. Is this a new way to show his good will for reconciliation?
(SANDY, 22 March 2013 20:41)
I would say it would be the perfect statement to counter, "we will never explicitly or implicitly recognize an independent Kosovo" As recognitions continue and Kosovo is over the 50% mark it is evident that there is no turning back.
Now Serbia has something to negotiate with and be a winner, they can agree to recognition of Kosovo with the understanding that there will be no such lawsuits filed. It would actually be a win for both sides as any such lawsuit would actually take decades in an international court setting.

Thaci was asking for compensation in the UN"

Thaci is with this initiative blocking the possible Serbian property claims, so the Alabnians can keep the often stolen property.

To seek war reparation Kosovo must be an entity in the International law, and since it is not, Mr. Tachi coud kiss the money goodbye.
(Nina R., 22 March 2013 21:16)

Actually the observer status in the UNGA which require only majority of member states no consent from UNSC suffices.

Humiliation? Like murdering our loved ones, burning and raping everything in sight? How do you think we felt when your boss left us homeless in 1999?

Did you hear what PM Thaci said, he explicitly stated that we will seek to redress our grievances ("reparations"). YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO FEEL HUMILIATED YOU FREAKIN COMMUNIST!


Tung,

to 'john'

Do you even live in Kosmet tough guy? Kosovo je Srbija get it through your thick skull!

The alabanians will never renege because they are being supported by the evil empire, and quite frankly, I do not blame them. Why give up something when you do not have to. My only issue is the way the albanians on this forum ramble on as if they were the conquerers, when in realty, they are nothing. The question is what are they going to do when satan eventually leaves? God bless North Korea and Iran.

Its is quite obvious that the two sides are far a part from any agreement. Serbia is not truly looking for a compromise with Kosovo. Anyone familiar with Kosovo's past could see that Serbia wants a division of Kosovo. There is no state in the world that would agree to executive powers for a set of municipalities. Such an agreement would mean that Serbia is planting the seeds of separatism.

I can not see how Europeans are coming out saying that we are close to an agreement when the PM of Serbia defiantly says in front of the entire UN that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo. If you deny someone the chance to exist (in this case Kosovo) then Serbia is naturally preparing the field for a future conflict. Of course when the moment is ripe.

I personally do not see a solution in sight. I am afraid that at the end when these talks are declared a failure; Thaqi with the blessing of the NATO would have to move his army and take over the north by force just as Croatia did. With Nato troops guarding Kosovos borders Serbia is no threat to Kosovo. Furthermore Nato's patience is wearing thin with Serbs causing trouble every single day. History unfortunately has proven many times that Serbs are stuborn, defiant and incapable of striking a deal. This type of manuvering has caused Serbs a great deal of loss in Croatia, Bosnia and it will cost them dearly in Kosovo as well. All or nothing is always a dangerous proposition.

Serbia wants dialogue and the situation cleared which is exactly what the Albanians do not want. It is very difficult to have negotiations while one side is doing everything in order not to reach the solution.

“Serbia wants agreement, but not humiliation”

Let me list shortly what Serbs want:

-They want a RS on Kosovo's soil with executive power which overrules Prishtina decision, giving more power to Serbs than they had during SFRY times and practically obstructing Kosovo in political life.
-They want to exclude those territories and make them de facto independent, and decreasing Kosovo's territories below the level before the war
-They want the smaller Kosovo with less power and decreased in size to remain a Serbian province.

Leave alone what Serbs have done 1989-99. This comes on top.

This is the Serbian version of "compromise". ... *lol*...

No further comment.

“Serbia wants dialogue and the situation cleared…” (Milli, 22 March)

What??! Serbia wants void deals for obtain EU date and nothing more, Serbia are dealing with not a country but a rebel province according its constitution are reserving its “right” of at any time in future attack the “foreign people” for retake its possession. How can Kosovars accept this “asymmetrical” talks for only put Serbia in condition of resolve its economic problems and prepare the future war? Kosovo don t need Serbia recognition of this independence and must voice that Kosovo and presevo valley etc. are Albanian lands and draft with Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary and perhaps Bulgaria the real map of the Balkans, a defense agreement with these countries is the only real guarantee aside USA involvement that no other war can be launched.
Kosovo needs only accept real recognition like basis for a real dialogue, Serbia mustdemonstrate that are not cooking another war for future on behalf of its territorial aspirations, if no deal Kosovo and the other balkanic countries should make regional aliances and markets without Serbia and Kosovo not more buy any Serbian product, the commercial war avoid the blood war ahead. Irinej, Kostunica and Jeremic must be stopped with their fantasies (Serbian elite fantasies that the trio try execute on their respective fields) of a creation of a Serbian empire.

Thaci and Ivica were on same plane to NY. They had the opportunity to chat all way from Brussels to NY.

In the middle of negotiations we hear a statement that Hashim Thaci will seek war reparations from Serbia. Is this a new way to show his good will for reconciliation?

To seek war reparation Kosovo must be an entity in the International law, and since it is not, Mr. Tachi coud kiss the money goodbye.

Thaci:“Serbia’s role is destructive”

Here you can see what Dacic& Nikolic are speaking about with their "historical" dreams. Prishtina with clear words which are showing that the Albanian side will settle some points in favour of Prishtina, but that all. Belgrade will leave the place with empty hands.

“After many years of conflicts, the region should start a new phase of the dialogue. Serbia is committed to the dialogue. "

Dacic lost any contact with the reality and the real interests of the Albanina side. He is producing only hot air and is ready to cross every red line, it seems he has sold his sould.

Other's people right to freedom and dignity represents humiliation for Serbia.

Jermany wants humiliation & agreement. 1914. 1940. 2013? Two failures by Jermany so far.

Thaci was asking for compensation in the UN"

Thaci is with this initiative blocking the possible Serbian property claims, so the Alabnians can keep the often stolen property.

After many years of conflicts, the region should start a new phase of the dialogue. Serbia is committed to the dialogue. But political will and courage to make a compromise are necessary for the progress in the Belgrade-Priština relations. Serbia is ready to make the dialogue work but it is not ready for humiliation and double standards. I hope the dialogue will lead to a fair and permanent solution and that all of us will turn to the future,” he said.

Humiliation? Double standards? Dacic, are you forgetting the humiliation & double standards your Serbia forcefully inflicted upon the citizens of Kosova during the 1980s-1990s? Dacic, are you forgetting ethnic cleansing of non Serbs within Kosova, that your government of Serbia ordered to be enforced upon the majority citizens of Kosova? This dialog currently underway, between Kosova & Serbia is not about humiliating Serbia, rather this dialog & process is about respecting the will of the people of Kosova, the will that now, nearly 100 nations have made the choice to support & respect! This process, should be looked at by Serbia and her people, as a chance to "de-humiliate" Serbia, of the humiliation she has cast upon herself, for the last 20-30 years! Kosova's majority Albanians population, has forever lost, between 7,500-10,000 of her sons & daughters, due to Serbia's humiliating policy's of the last 30 years! So Dacic, don't try and force upon us, Serbia's interpretation of the meaning of humiliation!

Even UNSC President, when he took the floor as Russian Rep, he spoke mainly about the will of Serbs in northern Mitro and not entire Kosova. Look like, Russia will go along with signed agreement on April 2,2013. Just like Russian Ambassador to Belgrade said once: "I cannot be more of Serb than Serbs themselves", end of quote.

Thaqi with the blessing of the NATO would have to move his army and take over the north by force just as Croatia did. With Nato troops guarding Kosovos borders Serbia is no threat to Kosovo
=========================

I see, ten attack one guy while twenty of their mates are holding the guy's brother back.
Can you people get any more cowardly?
Let's see you do your own fighting for once.
Don't involve anyone else. You do it yourself if you have the guts.
OK, take Albania with you so you can't say I am not being fair.

Thaci was asking for compensation in the UN, is this the new understanding between Serbs and Albanians? Thaci is clever and shows that there is no room for illusions what he want.

sandy, asking for reparations is more than justifiable in light of all the destruction and suffering the K-Albanians went through.

This lot has been taking the same course as its predecessors and have led Serbia to humiliation and self-capitulation time and again. You are the case of it PM.

To Rocky :(what a name) you seem to be paid to repeat the same things all over again (is it your mission?)...30 years of humiliation??? and is that why so many Albanians came to live in Kosovo within Yougoslavia ?since the population grew so dramatically during that same period of time?..is it because life was so hard having your own schools,a system of education and health services...and basically you all had the same right (use of your language and your news-papers etc... as anyone else in then yougoslavia...can you give some example of what kind of humiliation you are talking about? many people suffered and disappeared on ALL sides and your numbers are bogus...Now if we do not want to go as far back as when America was calling the KLA a terror organization or the SS voluntary corps of Albanians, than let's stick to the present and you,you Albanians of the "new" born conutry)show respect and real justice,let refugees return and live in peace and then and only then you should require recognition....that might be the hardest impossible thing for you to do...be BETTER than the people you are accusing of mistreating you back then....

"To seek war reparation Kosovo must be an entity in the International law, and since it is not, Mr. Tachi coud kiss the money goodbye.
(Nina R., 22 March 2013 21:16) "

Reparations can be claimed by individuals - in fact, they receive priority over payments to states under international law.

Do you even live in Kosmet tough guy? Kosovo je Srbija get it through your thick skull!
(Ratko, 22 March 2013 20:18)

Repeating it doesn't make it true. Joseph Goebbels once said "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Is this what you're trying to do here?

Come and visit Kosova and you will see that Kosova really isn't Serbia. I'm not lying, come and see with your own eyes!

"Kosovo je srbija" according to ratko. This is a good one. It is truly funny. Even a year ago I could read this in every second serbian comment. For the last few months serbs didn't want to look ridicule and didn't write it anymore. Even Dacic acknowledged that it is a lie. Well ratko reminds me of that Japanese soldier who was hiding in Guam for some 50 years and taught that WWII is still not over.

"Jermany" You should learn the correct spelling like your mother's name. Your economic survival depends on their goodwill.

Jeremic is humiliation for all serbs.
He is most successful clown from whole Balkan...

A couple of things, Does Serbia think there can be more humiliation than the UNSC adopting a resolution expelling you from part of your country and keeping international forces there for 14 years with the task of keeping your forces from moving across the border. Can there possibly be more humiliation than publicly declaring that this land is yours and your highest leaders must ask permission to visit and then if it is denied there is nothing you can do about it?
A negotiated end which has a voluntary agreement to let that land go is not even in the ball park of humiliation that the leaders are condemning Serbia to.
If anyone listened to the UNSC it was almost laughable when it came around to Russia. He read his statement so fast that I expected him to jump up and run to the bathroom as soon as he finished. A gastrointestinal disorder is the only thing I have seen that could cause someone to be in that big a hurry to finish.
And at last a new term to float for the next few months---"ethnic cleansing by peaceful means" as opposed to the Milosevic method of ethnic cleansing by force and violence.

I'm sorry I will not be making friends with this comment.

The reality is that the world has settled the kosova issue. Not because they like Albanians or Serbs more than the other it is because they want to be done with jugoslavia. Serbia was left in charge and it didn't turn out too nice. Now they will Prishtina a chance.

The money is no big deal to these greater powers. They will keep sending money to Belgrade and Prishtina they just want u guys to shut up, sit down, and be good.

Serbia has recognized kosova and now all that's left if for Serbia to get a date to eu, so the great powers have Serbia and Bosnia play nice. The powers don't hate or love anyone in the Balkans. They just want everyone to be good and do ripple their backyard.

In the middle of negotiations we hear a statement that Hashim Thaci will seek war reparations from Serbia. Is this a new way to show his good will for reconciliation?
(SANDY, 22 March 2013 20:41)
I would say it would be the perfect statement to counter, "we will never explicitly or implicitly recognize an independent Kosovo" As recognitions continue and Kosovo is over the 50% mark it is evident that there is no turning back.
Now Serbia has something to negotiate with and be a winner, they can agree to recognition of Kosovo with the understanding that there will be no such lawsuits filed. It would actually be a win for both sides as any such lawsuit would actually take decades in an international court setting.

Thanks John for saving my time!

To seek war reparation Kosovo must be an entity in the International law, and since it is not, Mr. Tachi coud kiss the money goodbye.
(Nina R., 22 March 2013 21:16)

Actually the observer status in the UNGA which require only majority of member states no consent from UNSC suffices.