The situation is calm on Friday afternoon in the vicinity of the monastery of Visoki Dečani in Kosovo, after "local extremists" were prevented to approach it.
...and I still don't know what you're on about. i guess nothing more left to write apart from thanking you twice, one for Macedonia's recognition and two for Bulgaria's.
Few mounts ago I'm static reader of B92 news and comments in English version. My attention from news was shifted to the comments with priority of the Kosovo land. Flooded with to many similar sentences like one of them ("we are here Before Serb com, this is our old land , we are Illyrian or oldest people in the Balkan etc.") This type of the expression in the public is reader choice it's not my and i give to them credit for own opinion. But post from them must be realistic and truthful otherwise miss balance must be balanced like in my post digging old books from old Greeks & Roman time to found truth and nothing more. I’m Not on any side Serbian or Albanian I'm totally neutral reader.
Example : If Serbian post say we are in the Kosovo from that and that time past history match and I don't oppose that, but if Albanian post is in hiding expression, they deserve to be informed to tell truth. Last example: I learn something new from post here that Maniakes Castle in Syracuse is well preserved. Albanian must be proud of own ancient old architectures, Castle is there, please be realistic and objective.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 10 February 2013 06:12)
Ok, so say Albanians were never in Kosovo; say Serbs were there since 2000 years ago; say that X was there since 10000 years ago; say Y was there since 100000 years ago and so on.... so what's your point (beside the academic discussion about history that I love) ?
I'd like to comment, but there's so much hate, so much hate, that it will make no difference.
Most of serbians I've met here in Toronto, Canada are non believers, they don't really care about the faith. And of course, they are all specialists about the serbian orthodox church.
This is disgusting. People, how can you live so much hate day after day, after day, after day.....
(kris, 10 February 2013 02:24)
kris, I could not agree more with you. I'm an ethnic Albanian living here in Novi Sad (hence my username) and while I have not received any negative comments about my nationality in Serbia, the vitriolic hatred on this website between posters often gives me facepalm moments.
Back to the news item in question. I think the actions of Vetevendosje are a disgrace. People like Albin Kurti should know better than to harass elderly monks. Respect the court's decision and leave the monks in peace. Shame on you all.
"changed your name again have you?"
(Nikolle, 9 February 2013 11:26)
Few mounts ago I'm static reader of B92 news and comments in English version. My attention from news was shifted to the comments with priority of the Kosovo land. Flooded with to many similar sentences like one of them ("we are here Before Serb com, this is our old land , we are Illyrian or oldest people in the Balkan etc.") This type of the expression in the public is reader choice it's not my and i give to them credit for own opinion. But post from them must be realistic and truthful otherwise miss balance must be balanced like in my post digging old books from old Greeks & Roman time to found truth and nothing more. I’m Not on any side Serbian or Albanian I'm totally neutral reader.
Example : If Serbian post say we are in the Kosovo from that and that time past history match and I don't oppose that, but if Albanian post is in hiding expression, they deserve to be informed to tell truth. Last example: I learn something new from post here that Maniakes Castle in Syracuse is well preserved. Albanian must be proud of own ancient old architectures, Castle is there, please be realistic and objective.
I'd like to comment, but there's so much hate, so much hate, that it will make no difference.
Most of serbians I've met here in Toronto, Canada are non believers, they don't really care about the faith. And of course, they are all specialists about the serbian orthodox church.
This is disgusting. People, how can you live so much hate day after day, after day, after day.....
"in every copuntry in the world you have people who don't respect a courts decision and who hold protests."
(Nikolle, 9 February 2013 11:26)
I'm agree with you for peaceful protest in every country.
If during protest com to the destruction that's not protest any more.
Any government will use excessive force to stop street law or anarchy.
After war in the KiM street protest is finish with church to be down.
Please inspect spelling before post ( copuntry = country). Thanks.
Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them."
(Radoslav, 8 February 2013 22:05)
So how can Albanians claim Kosovo land, an land that never world history had knowledge of they were living here...
Go to the other side of the sea, there are so many land for them, Saara Desert
(cesk, 9 February 2013 00:13)
I will take fresh story: Go to Visoki Decani and see what is happen.
(No Serbs any more in that area + Stealing monastery land today).
Arnaurt place is not Sahara.
Albo 2-nd place is in the Sicily. Just Take small trip to the Syracuse and you will founded very nice castle from famous Albo General George Maniakes. Also at west is city with name Maniakes.That's your 2-nd land.
In the Kosovo your people is under 200yr.
In common word:
What Serb build is there in the Kosovo - Arnaut did not build nothing.
What Albo build in the Sicily stay till today. Serb did not build nothing in the Syracuse. Please have respect to the old Balkan people.
Re comment 'the US is abandoning them', i.e. more important, will US abandon Camp Bondsteel to 'them'? In 1999 USA-NATO were desperate to have a huge military base in southern Balkans. That is what it was all about back then. Therefore, it was important to bed down with 'them' in order to get that all-important military footprint.
"The situation is calm on Friday afternoon in the vicinity of the monastery of Visoki Dečani in Kosovo, after "local extremists" were prevented to approach it."
Interesting... I thought they were "local businessmen" (per B92 voculabory)
Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
I have to ask what you base the first statement on. I am sure it is from a top secret meeting you attended with Obama and the joint chiefs of staff which you are not at liberty to reveal, but pleasure us with your answer anyway.
The second statement is not yours, it is almost a direct quote from Milosevic during post Rambouillet talks and as was challenging the US to go ahead and bomb Serbia. It was captured on film and played around the world. But that would explain a lot, is your next claim to actually be His reincarnation?
"...who even don't respect decisions of the highest courts."
in every copuntry in the world you have people who don't respect a courts decision and who hold protests. seriously, you write a lot of rubbish now and again.
Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
Not sure why the above is important... As the CE of the B92 forums sj has ruled, the US has collapsed and it's nearing its end so having or not having the support of the US is irrelevant.
Just because holds a diametrically opposed opinion from yours, it doesnt make the other person an extremist for as long as they do not resort to violent means to enforce their ideas on to you. From this article itself we can see that the protest was peaceful and ended without incidents. So on what bases are these people referred to as extremists?
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
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Well they didn't get a chance to show you on what basis.
But this is what they do when they come across a Serbian church on pumped up to "protest".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0eaObJVpA
You want to see some more "protesting" by your lot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gopoV69HXl8
Yep, we can all see how you exercise your democratic right to protest.
"Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them."
(Radoslav, 8 February 2013 22:05)
So how can Albanians claim Kosovo land, an land that never world history had knowledge of they were living here...
Go to the other side of the sea, there are so many land for them, Saara Desert
Blocking roads in protest of agreements in North Kosovo by Serbs is considered peaceful exercise of their freedoms. Protests without violence in South Kosovo by Albanians is considered ethnic cleansing.
strange, KFOR today denied the Serbian media reports regarding the nature of the protest. not to worry, we're used to Serbs wanting to portray themselves as victims
"Where were the Albanians in this time?"
This land is land of Sérb.
(cesk, 8 February 2013 16:47)
At that time albo is in Serb city Durrer(Drach) with Maniakes(1042yr.)
Before that (2nd place) is in the Sicily (Syracuse)also city Maniakes.
Please Open any web you will see nice "Maniakes Castle" for tourist attraction today. Poor albo is busted no more to be Illirian..
Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them.
Stop the BS! Look at the You Tube video of the albanians attacking a cake at 100 year independance of albania in tirana and tell me that EU membership is right around the corner.
"According to Kfor, there was about 20 to 25 people exercising their right to protest (a hard to grasp concept for our Serbian friends) in response to a court ruling. "
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
Oh yes, 20-25. Only on the photo I can count some more. Other articles report about 2000 people protesting against returning stolen land to the rightful owners (the concept of ownership is hard to grasp for Albanians, obviously)
"so in essense, yes, Kfor/KPS did stop those 20 ppl from staging their protest where they wanted to, but to describe this as some sort of seige is beyond hyperbolic.
Furthermore, the word extremist is used so loosely to describe these protesters that one can see right through it. "
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
Well, unlike you, KFOR learned its lessons when the 'peaceful Albanian protesters' looted and vandalized dozens of Serbian churches and monasteries some years ago, encouraged by lies and false information spread by Pristina media. Thy know well what to expect from those people who you don't wanna call 'extremists' and who even don't respect decisions of the highest courts.
They do their best, do they can, get them ready for Afghanistan.
1st rule the laws of Germany
2nd rule don't talk to commies
3rd rule be nice to mommy
4th rule eat kosher salamies
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission.
(Avni, 8 February 2013 17:31)
So if it was not NATO it would be capable of doing some damage or not?
Leave joke aside, I think you're all VERY scared of Serbian Army which "can't do anything".
I agree with most of your comment, except the part oabout albania getting EU status. It's very hard for me to say EU & albania in the same sentence.
(robert1899, 8 February 2013 17:33)
It is because you hate ALBANIANS so much, but to shade body, since you cannot do squat about it.
"Kosovo is our ancient heartland" you say, well it surely wasn't Bosnia.
very ironic indeed.
(Tony, 8 February 2013 17:38)
Bosnia isn't only Bosniak's land, but also Serbian. Recently about a half of Bosnian population was Serbian, now a third of Bosnian residents are Serbs, they are native people there.
No it's either one place or the other, you can't have 2 ancient historical religious regions that are the cradle of your civilization.... Serbs came to Bosnia later.. Fleeing ottoman expansion from the south
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission
Get your facts straight, the serbian army didnt fight in bosnia nor croatia and we all know how things were going in Kosovo until you ran and cried to NATO so please dont be a fool. Vojska Republike Srpske managed to defend their people and territory in bosnia and create Republika Srpska whereas in Krajina the VRSK was sold out by Milosevic and withdrew into Bosnia more than a week before the croats started their "operation"of invading an empty territory. When the JNA was active in Croatia the croats were getting smashed and within one week 75%of the territory was under the JNA so if the JNA wouldve wanted to take Croatia it would have done it without even using 30%of its force. Hell the Croats barely managed to fight the Teritorijalna Odbrana even though they had both the ARBIH and NATO aviation support. Real warriors I must say, NOT.
The irony here is that the Albanians are doing to the Serbs what Serbs have dobe to bosniaks and Croats in the RS.
The serbs didnt do anything to the Croats to make them pay for the crimes they committed upon the Serb people during ww2. Ever heard of Jasenovac?The muslims got what they deserved, nothing more, nothing less.
"Why does the monastery need the land?
They should be in the business of praying"
@(Common Sense, 8 February 2013 15:03)
Here is ccomparation :
In Sicily Roman don't destroy Sirakuze George Maniakes castle (mint condition), also all city at west is with Maniakes name belong to the albanian leader. Today Castle atraction make money from visitors.
Primitive Balkan Albo going in wrong direction.
According to Kfor, there was about 20 to 25 people exercising their right to protest (a hard to grasp concept for our Serbian friends) in response to a court ruling. The protest was peacful and ended without a single incident. The protesters wanted to sage their protest near the monestaty to underscore their dissatisfaction with the ruling. The protest was against the ruling which gave public land over to the Monastery and there were people who disagreed with that ruling and peacfully staged a protest. I dont see where the problem with that is?
so in essense, yes, Kfor/KPS did stop those 20 ppl from staging their protest where they wanted to, but to describe this as some sort of seige is beyond hyperbolic.
Furthermore, the word extremist is used so loosely to describe these protesters that one can see right through it.
Just because holds a diametrically opposed opinion from yours, it doesnt make the other person an extremist for as long as they do not resort to violent means to enforce their ideas on to you. From this article itself we can see that the protest was peaceful and ended without incidents. So on what bases are these people referred to as extremists?
Oh look. The Albanian mob is angry about something. Again. Of course this comprises Self-Determination and, no doubt, other dregs of the Drenica clans who will look for any and all reasons and excuses to kick up a fuss over something they neither have complete information over, nor have any power to influence. I hear no protests from authorities in Pristina, nor do I see any reasoned objection from normal individuals, so I have to conclude this once again is something extremists are using for political gain and media attention. No rational Albanian is sane enough to come anywhere near the Decani and Pec monasteries. The international community cares far too much about their preservation. I just find it deliciously ironic that everytime some official thinks that life in Kosovo is finally settling down to normal aside from a few "Serbian extremists" in the north, some group from the Albanian camp goes and upsets it all again.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans?
(ben, 8 February 2013 13:25)
You tell me ben, they're your alleged compatriots, but if you want more information, have a look here. It would seem EULEX made the decision and pleas to America from Albanians are, again, going unnoticed.
The Serbian army know how to deal with those criminals.
(Spartan, 8 February 2013 13:16)
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission.
ben said "the Serbian army is world's leader in dealing with disarmed people, women, children and earlderly" (*elderly, learn to spell). This is one of the funniest and most hypocritical statements I have ever read on here. When Serb forces came to fight the armed KLA you cowards called NATO in, now after the Serb army withdrew Serbian civilians are terrorised on a day to day basis, including assault, theft, murder, property destruction as well as that of graves. You are the most cowardly and sick people in Europe at least.
The irony here is that the Albanians are doing to the Serbs what Serbs have dobe to bosniaks and Croats in the RS.
"Kosovo is our ancient heartland" you say, well it surely wasn't Bosnia.
You reap what you sow... Look in the mirror and admit that what the Albs are doing here is exactly the same as what Serbs dish out (and defend here on this forum) but now they are crying foul!!!
Kosvo Albanians are beeing ripped off every day, by their criminal corrupt government. Public companies Billions worth are beeing privatized for ridiculous money, but when it comes to six inches farmland for the orthodox church they get furious. Serbian Churches and cemeteries are prefered targets to distract from the feilure of Kosovo independence with growing extremism, alarming rate of illiteracy among young people and acceptability of organized crime like human trafficking.
"Visoki Decani was built in the XIV century by Serbian King Stefan Decanski and his son, Emperor Dusan."
Where were the Albanians in this time?
This land is land of Sérb.
All of you have short term memories of the communist days of FROY. It wasn't long ago that these lands were sold by someone to others and they were legal documents. Now if the communists disregarded the true owner of the property (the church) and let people buy it then it is the states duty to compensate the people who think they are the owners. Belgrade who is also so interested in the churches matters should be helping Kosovo/a pay these landowners their due share.
All of you go to extreme thougthts about each other, which is utterly wrong. There are people that dislike the other group but a lot of the people protesting are landowners that have a claim on the property (even though it is not valid due to prior documents) but the fault remains to the government of the old communists.
Now you have people (nationalists) using this as a tool. People wake up and rememeber what part of the world you are in. Belgrade is only 5 hours away from central Kosovo/a and there isn't much difference between the two groups, unless you are kidding yourself.
Hahahah my dear Albanian's the world is watching you!!! Lets look at some facts Serbia and Russia have a joint major energy project close to Kosovo and a certain Mr Putin has an eye on you lot on Pristina! I mean do you think they KPS can honestly stop the same Russian Bear that smashed Georgia!! Also another factor is public's views has changed dramatically here in the West, I hear a lot these days we bombed the wrong side and people! Also your actions like destroying graves, church's, attacking children and OAP's and other barbaric acts... Like I said Serbia and Serbs have to hold out and watch I'm sure when Albania gets EU status you will all apply for Albanian citizenship and go west!
They have every right to protest. That land that was given to the monastery by the Milosevic regime, were taken from two cooperatives. This land has never belonged to the monastery but to the members of the cooperatives. Ahtisaari, in order to appease the Serbs gave that land back to the monastery and now the Supreme Court too. There will be tens of families that will be rendered unemployed and homeless from this decision. Why does the monastery need the land? They should be in the business of praying
Why does the monastery need the land? They should be in the business of praying
(Common Sense, 8 February 2013 15:03)
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Because it belongs to the church. Go and protest in front of your so-called "Supreme Court", that affirmed the decision made by UNMIK also. The land will be used to grow food and grapes for wine, which will be used to raise funds to upkeep the grounds, buildings and church.
welcome in multiethnic Kosovo. This is the way how terorists are dealing with minorities, unfortunetaly with support of EU and other international organizations.
People have the right to protest, especially in this case, where the church is being GIVEN 23 (!) hectares of land! That land has never belonged to the church so I fully understand the protestors. It's illogical to give that much land to a church that has already enough of it ...
I can imagine that all of these protests and threats by Albanians, today the monastery, yesterday some Albanian group asked the US to take Presevo away from Serbia, are probably starting to get under the West's skin a bit. They certainly had it coming, for so blindly backing one faction in a conflict so blindly, without realizing who they were befriending. Well, I can't say I'm not enjoying some of this. On one hand we have Prishtina's politicians talking of human rights for all, smiling silly in front of cameras, and then the next day this mob hell bent on destroying a monastery. Has Catherine Ashton made a statement yet, wonder if she will?
Bullets only help to calm savages.
“We consider such behavior, that is directly contrary to the rule of law”
What’s that? The EU has been trying to educate the Albanians for 13 years about proper behavior and still they have not succeeded. Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
if there is a sentence even from the highest courte saying the land belongs to the Monastery what a hec these guys want???
and what will the Monastery do to these additional 23 hectars?? why not give it in use to the local commty? or the Monastry itself could develope some projects that could benefit the local commty and with that work on the reconciliation and peace.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans?
"if there is a sentence even from the highest courte saying the land belongs to the Monastery what a hec these guys want??? "
(ben, 8 February 2013 13:25)
What they want? Probably stealing or usurping land that doesn't belong to them? Albanian clans and extremists only obey to the mafia law and what their clan boss tells them, do you think they care for anything some court is ruling? Funny.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans? ben
Because many Albanians in Kosovo want an ethnically pure land. They want everything and anything that is Serbian eradicated from Kosovo. Can you imagine attacking a monastery 4 times, for what? It is pure hatred, and nothing more. There is plenty of available land in Kosovo, so I don't think these 23 hectares that are in question would in any way imperil the local Albanians, so it is not a land issue. It is a issue because the land would belong to a Serbian monastery.
They are not Albanians, as they are a peace loving people who repair churches, not destroy them. They must be Ashkali and Serbs sent by the MUP to make Albs look bad.
The Serbian army know how to deal with those criminals.
(Spartan, 8 February 2013 13:16)
the Serbian army is world's leader in dealing with disarmed people, women, children and earlderly. It gave a proof for years in the 90s.
But when it has to deal with regular army the tail under legs and run run to mammy Belgrade (Krajina) or even do not show at all in the battlefield (Slavonia).
Bit of reality check my dear as no one is or will even be impressed with an army that fights and cicks away women and children out of their homes.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
We (Serbs) don't want to control Albanians but certainly we don't want to give them what is ours. Lot of money from outside Kosovo was invested since the end of 2nd world war to develop Kosovo and we want that back and then we want to talk about partition and who will take what.
Bullets only help to calm savages.
“We consider such behavior, that is directly contrary to the rule of law”
What’s that? The EU has been trying to educate the Albanians for 13 years about proper behavior and still they have not succeeded. Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
welcome in multiethnic Kosovo. This is the way how terorists are dealing with minorities, unfortunetaly with support of EU and other international organizations.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans? ben
Because many Albanians in Kosovo want an ethnically pure land. They want everything and anything that is Serbian eradicated from Kosovo. Can you imagine attacking a monastery 4 times, for what? It is pure hatred, and nothing more. There is plenty of available land in Kosovo, so I don't think these 23 hectares that are in question would in any way imperil the local Albanians, so it is not a land issue. It is a issue because the land would belong to a Serbian monastery.
They are not Albanians, as they are a peace loving people who repair churches, not destroy them. They must be Ashkali and Serbs sent by the MUP to make Albs look bad.
I can imagine that all of these protests and threats by Albanians, today the monastery, yesterday some Albanian group asked the US to take Presevo away from Serbia, are probably starting to get under the West's skin a bit. They certainly had it coming, for so blindly backing one faction in a conflict so blindly, without realizing who they were befriending. Well, I can't say I'm not enjoying some of this. On one hand we have Prishtina's politicians talking of human rights for all, smiling silly in front of cameras, and then the next day this mob hell bent on destroying a monastery. Has Catherine Ashton made a statement yet, wonder if she will?
"if there is a sentence even from the highest courte saying the land belongs to the Monastery what a hec these guys want??? "
(ben, 8 February 2013 13:25)
What they want? Probably stealing or usurping land that doesn't belong to them? Albanian clans and extremists only obey to the mafia law and what their clan boss tells them, do you think they care for anything some court is ruling? Funny.
Kosvo Albanians are beeing ripped off every day, by their criminal corrupt government. Public companies Billions worth are beeing privatized for ridiculous money, but when it comes to six inches farmland for the orthodox church they get furious. Serbian Churches and cemeteries are prefered targets to distract from the feilure of Kosovo independence with growing extremism, alarming rate of illiteracy among young people and acceptability of organized crime like human trafficking.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
We (Serbs) don't want to control Albanians but certainly we don't want to give them what is ours. Lot of money from outside Kosovo was invested since the end of 2nd world war to develop Kosovo and we want that back and then we want to talk about partition and who will take what.
Why does the monastery need the land? They should be in the business of praying
(Common Sense, 8 February 2013 15:03)
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Because it belongs to the church. Go and protest in front of your so-called "Supreme Court", that affirmed the decision made by UNMIK also. The land will be used to grow food and grapes for wine, which will be used to raise funds to upkeep the grounds, buildings and church.
"Visoki Decani was built in the XIV century by Serbian King Stefan Decanski and his son, Emperor Dusan."
Where were the Albanians in this time?
This land is land of Sérb.
Hahahah my dear Albanian's the world is watching you!!! Lets look at some facts Serbia and Russia have a joint major energy project close to Kosovo and a certain Mr Putin has an eye on you lot on Pristina! I mean do you think they KPS can honestly stop the same Russian Bear that smashed Georgia!! Also another factor is public's views has changed dramatically here in the West, I hear a lot these days we bombed the wrong side and people! Also your actions like destroying graves, church's, attacking children and OAP's and other barbaric acts... Like I said Serbia and Serbs have to hold out and watch I'm sure when Albania gets EU status you will all apply for Albanian citizenship and go west!
ben said "the Serbian army is world's leader in dealing with disarmed people, women, children and earlderly" (*elderly, learn to spell). This is one of the funniest and most hypocritical statements I have ever read on here. When Serb forces came to fight the armed KLA you cowards called NATO in, now after the Serb army withdrew Serbian civilians are terrorised on a day to day basis, including assault, theft, murder, property destruction as well as that of graves. You are the most cowardly and sick people in Europe at least.
The Serbian army know how to deal with those criminals.
(Spartan, 8 February 2013 13:16)
the Serbian army is world's leader in dealing with disarmed people, women, children and earlderly. It gave a proof for years in the 90s.
But when it has to deal with regular army the tail under legs and run run to mammy Belgrade (Krajina) or even do not show at all in the battlefield (Slavonia).
Bit of reality check my dear as no one is or will even be impressed with an army that fights and cicks away women and children out of their homes.
"Kosovo is our ancient heartland" you say, well it surely wasn't Bosnia.
very ironic indeed.
(Tony, 8 February 2013 17:38)
Bosnia isn't only Bosniak's land, but also Serbian. Recently about a half of Bosnian population was Serbian, now a third of Bosnian residents are Serbs, they are native people there.
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission
Get your facts straight, the serbian army didnt fight in bosnia nor croatia and we all know how things were going in Kosovo until you ran and cried to NATO so please dont be a fool. Vojska Republike Srpske managed to defend their people and territory in bosnia and create Republika Srpska whereas in Krajina the VRSK was sold out by Milosevic and withdrew into Bosnia more than a week before the croats started their "operation"of invading an empty territory. When the JNA was active in Croatia the croats were getting smashed and within one week 75%of the territory was under the JNA so if the JNA wouldve wanted to take Croatia it would have done it without even using 30%of its force. Hell the Croats barely managed to fight the Teritorijalna Odbrana even though they had both the ARBIH and NATO aviation support. Real warriors I must say, NOT.
The irony here is that the Albanians are doing to the Serbs what Serbs have dobe to bosniaks and Croats in the RS.
The serbs didnt do anything to the Croats to make them pay for the crimes they committed upon the Serb people during ww2. Ever heard of Jasenovac?The muslims got what they deserved, nothing more, nothing less.
"Why does the monastery need the land?
They should be in the business of praying"
@(Common Sense, 8 February 2013 15:03)
Here is ccomparation :
In Sicily Roman don't destroy Sirakuze George Maniakes castle (mint condition), also all city at west is with Maniakes name belong to the albanian leader. Today Castle atraction make money from visitors.
Primitive Balkan Albo going in wrong direction.
if there is a sentence even from the highest courte saying the land belongs to the Monastery what a hec these guys want???
and what will the Monastery do to these additional 23 hectars?? why not give it in use to the local commty? or the Monastry itself could develope some projects that could benefit the local commty and with that work on the reconciliation and peace.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans?
They have every right to protest. That land that was given to the monastery by the Milosevic regime, were taken from two cooperatives. This land has never belonged to the monastery but to the members of the cooperatives. Ahtisaari, in order to appease the Serbs gave that land back to the monastery and now the Supreme Court too. There will be tens of families that will be rendered unemployed and homeless from this decision. Why does the monastery need the land? They should be in the business of praying
Oh look. The Albanian mob is angry about something. Again. Of course this comprises Self-Determination and, no doubt, other dregs of the Drenica clans who will look for any and all reasons and excuses to kick up a fuss over something they neither have complete information over, nor have any power to influence. I hear no protests from authorities in Pristina, nor do I see any reasoned objection from normal individuals, so I have to conclude this once again is something extremists are using for political gain and media attention. No rational Albanian is sane enough to come anywhere near the Decani and Pec monasteries. The international community cares far too much about their preservation. I just find it deliciously ironic that everytime some official thinks that life in Kosovo is finally settling down to normal aside from a few "Serbian extremists" in the north, some group from the Albanian camp goes and upsets it all again.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans?
(ben, 8 February 2013 13:25)
You tell me ben, they're your alleged compatriots, but if you want more information, have a look here. It would seem EULEX made the decision and pleas to America from Albanians are, again, going unnoticed.
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission.
(Avni, 8 February 2013 17:31)
So if it was not NATO it would be capable of doing some damage or not?
Leave joke aside, I think you're all VERY scared of Serbian Army which "can't do anything".
People have the right to protest, especially in this case, where the church is being GIVEN 23 (!) hectares of land! That land has never belonged to the church so I fully understand the protestors. It's illogical to give that much land to a church that has already enough of it ...
"so in essense, yes, Kfor/KPS did stop those 20 ppl from staging their protest where they wanted to, but to describe this as some sort of seige is beyond hyperbolic.
Furthermore, the word extremist is used so loosely to describe these protesters that one can see right through it. "
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
Well, unlike you, KFOR learned its lessons when the 'peaceful Albanian protesters' looted and vandalized dozens of Serbian churches and monasteries some years ago, encouraged by lies and false information spread by Pristina media. Thy know well what to expect from those people who you don't wanna call 'extremists' and who even don't respect decisions of the highest courts.
Stop the BS! Look at the You Tube video of the albanians attacking a cake at 100 year independance of albania in tirana and tell me that EU membership is right around the corner.
According to Kfor, there was about 20 to 25 people exercising their right to protest (a hard to grasp concept for our Serbian friends) in response to a court ruling. The protest was peacful and ended without a single incident. The protesters wanted to sage their protest near the monestaty to underscore their dissatisfaction with the ruling. The protest was against the ruling which gave public land over to the Monastery and there were people who disagreed with that ruling and peacfully staged a protest. I dont see where the problem with that is?
so in essense, yes, Kfor/KPS did stop those 20 ppl from staging their protest where they wanted to, but to describe this as some sort of seige is beyond hyperbolic.
Furthermore, the word extremist is used so loosely to describe these protesters that one can see right through it.
Just because holds a diametrically opposed opinion from yours, it doesnt make the other person an extremist for as long as they do not resort to violent means to enforce their ideas on to you. From this article itself we can see that the protest was peaceful and ended without incidents. So on what bases are these people referred to as extremists?
"According to Kfor, there was about 20 to 25 people exercising their right to protest (a hard to grasp concept for our Serbian friends) in response to a court ruling. "
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
Oh yes, 20-25. Only on the photo I can count some more. Other articles report about 2000 people protesting against returning stolen land to the rightful owners (the concept of ownership is hard to grasp for Albanians, obviously)
All of you have short term memories of the communist days of FROY. It wasn't long ago that these lands were sold by someone to others and they were legal documents. Now if the communists disregarded the true owner of the property (the church) and let people buy it then it is the states duty to compensate the people who think they are the owners. Belgrade who is also so interested in the churches matters should be helping Kosovo/a pay these landowners their due share.
All of you go to extreme thougthts about each other, which is utterly wrong. There are people that dislike the other group but a lot of the people protesting are landowners that have a claim on the property (even though it is not valid due to prior documents) but the fault remains to the government of the old communists.
Now you have people (nationalists) using this as a tool. People wake up and rememeber what part of the world you are in. Belgrade is only 5 hours away from central Kosovo/a and there isn't much difference between the two groups, unless you are kidding yourself.
I agree with most of your comment, except the part oabout albania getting EU status. It's very hard for me to say EU & albania in the same sentence.
(robert1899, 8 February 2013 17:33)
It is because you hate ALBANIANS so much, but to shade body, since you cannot do squat about it.
"Where were the Albanians in this time?"
This land is land of Sérb.
(cesk, 8 February 2013 16:47)
At that time albo is in Serb city Durrer(Drach) with Maniakes(1042yr.)
Before that (2nd place) is in the Sicily (Syracuse)also city Maniakes.
Please Open any web you will see nice "Maniakes Castle" for tourist attraction today. Poor albo is busted no more to be Illirian..
Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them.
The Serbian army know how to deal with those criminals.
(Spartan, 8 February 2013 13:16)
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission.
They do their best, do they can, get them ready for Afghanistan.
1st rule the laws of Germany
2nd rule don't talk to commies
3rd rule be nice to mommy
4th rule eat kosher salamies
Just because holds a diametrically opposed opinion from yours, it doesnt make the other person an extremist for as long as they do not resort to violent means to enforce their ideas on to you. From this article itself we can see that the protest was peaceful and ended without incidents. So on what bases are these people referred to as extremists?
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
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Well they didn't get a chance to show you on what basis.
But this is what they do when they come across a Serbian church on pumped up to "protest".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0eaObJVpA
You want to see some more "protesting" by your lot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gopoV69HXl8
Yep, we can all see how you exercise your democratic right to protest.
No it's either one place or the other, you can't have 2 ancient historical religious regions that are the cradle of your civilization.... Serbs came to Bosnia later.. Fleeing ottoman expansion from the south
"...who even don't respect decisions of the highest courts."
in every copuntry in the world you have people who don't respect a courts decision and who hold protests. seriously, you write a lot of rubbish now and again.
"The situation is calm on Friday afternoon in the vicinity of the monastery of Visoki Dečani in Kosovo, after "local extremists" were prevented to approach it."
Interesting... I thought they were "local businessmen" (per B92 voculabory)
Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
I have to ask what you base the first statement on. I am sure it is from a top secret meeting you attended with Obama and the joint chiefs of staff which you are not at liberty to reveal, but pleasure us with your answer anyway.
The second statement is not yours, it is almost a direct quote from Milosevic during post Rambouillet talks and as was challenging the US to go ahead and bomb Serbia. It was captured on film and played around the world. But that would explain a lot, is your next claim to actually be His reincarnation?
The irony here is that the Albanians are doing to the Serbs what Serbs have dobe to bosniaks and Croats in the RS.
"Kosovo is our ancient heartland" you say, well it surely wasn't Bosnia.
You reap what you sow... Look in the mirror and admit that what the Albs are doing here is exactly the same as what Serbs dish out (and defend here on this forum) but now they are crying foul!!!
Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
Not sure why the above is important... As the CE of the B92 forums sj has ruled, the US has collapsed and it's nearing its end so having or not having the support of the US is irrelevant.
strange, KFOR today denied the Serbian media reports regarding the nature of the protest. not to worry, we're used to Serbs wanting to portray themselves as victims
"Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them."
(Radoslav, 8 February 2013 22:05)
So how can Albanians claim Kosovo land, an land that never world history had knowledge of they were living here...
Go to the other side of the sea, there are so many land for them, Saara Desert
Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them."
(Radoslav, 8 February 2013 22:05)
So how can Albanians claim Kosovo land, an land that never world history had knowledge of they were living here...
Go to the other side of the sea, there are so many land for them, Saara Desert
(cesk, 9 February 2013 00:13)
I will take fresh story: Go to Visoki Decani and see what is happen.
(No Serbs any more in that area + Stealing monastery land today).
Arnaurt place is not Sahara.
Albo 2-nd place is in the Sicily. Just Take small trip to the Syracuse and you will founded very nice castle from famous Albo General George Maniakes. Also at west is city with name Maniakes.That's your 2-nd land.
In the Kosovo your people is under 200yr.
In common word:
What Serb build is there in the Kosovo - Arnaut did not build nothing.
What Albo build in the Sicily stay till today. Serb did not build nothing in the Syracuse. Please have respect to the old Balkan people.
"changed your name again have you?"
(Nikolle, 9 February 2013 11:26)
Few mounts ago I'm static reader of B92 news and comments in English version. My attention from news was shifted to the comments with priority of the Kosovo land. Flooded with to many similar sentences like one of them ("we are here Before Serb com, this is our old land , we are Illyrian or oldest people in the Balkan etc.") This type of the expression in the public is reader choice it's not my and i give to them credit for own opinion. But post from them must be realistic and truthful otherwise miss balance must be balanced like in my post digging old books from old Greeks & Roman time to found truth and nothing more. I’m Not on any side Serbian or Albanian I'm totally neutral reader.
Example : If Serbian post say we are in the Kosovo from that and that time past history match and I don't oppose that, but if Albanian post is in hiding expression, they deserve to be informed to tell truth. Last example: I learn something new from post here that Maniakes Castle in Syracuse is well preserved. Albanian must be proud of own ancient old architectures, Castle is there, please be realistic and objective.
I'd like to comment, but there's so much hate, so much hate, that it will make no difference.
Most of serbians I've met here in Toronto, Canada are non believers, they don't really care about the faith. And of course, they are all specialists about the serbian orthodox church.
This is disgusting. People, how can you live so much hate day after day, after day, after day.....
(kris, 10 February 2013 02:24)
kris, I could not agree more with you. I'm an ethnic Albanian living here in Novi Sad (hence my username) and while I have not received any negative comments about my nationality in Serbia, the vitriolic hatred on this website between posters often gives me facepalm moments.
Back to the news item in question. I think the actions of Vetevendosje are a disgrace. People like Albin Kurti should know better than to harass elderly monks. Respect the court's decision and leave the monks in peace. Shame on you all.
Few mounts ago I'm static reader of B92 news and comments in English version. My attention from news was shifted to the comments with priority of the Kosovo land. Flooded with to many similar sentences like one of them ("we are here Before Serb com, this is our old land , we are Illyrian or oldest people in the Balkan etc.") This type of the expression in the public is reader choice it's not my and i give to them credit for own opinion. But post from them must be realistic and truthful otherwise miss balance must be balanced like in my post digging old books from old Greeks & Roman time to found truth and nothing more. I’m Not on any side Serbian or Albanian I'm totally neutral reader.
Example : If Serbian post say we are in the Kosovo from that and that time past history match and I don't oppose that, but if Albanian post is in hiding expression, they deserve to be informed to tell truth. Last example: I learn something new from post here that Maniakes Castle in Syracuse is well preserved. Albanian must be proud of own ancient old architectures, Castle is there, please be realistic and objective.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 10 February 2013 06:12)
Ok, so say Albanians were never in Kosovo; say Serbs were there since 2000 years ago; say that X was there since 10000 years ago; say Y was there since 100000 years ago and so on.... so what's your point (beside the academic discussion about history that I love) ?
...and I still don't know what you're on about. i guess nothing more left to write apart from thanking you twice, one for Macedonia's recognition and two for Bulgaria's.
Blocking roads in protest of agreements in North Kosovo by Serbs is considered peaceful exercise of their freedoms. Protests without violence in South Kosovo by Albanians is considered ethnic cleansing.
Re comment 'the US is abandoning them', i.e. more important, will US abandon Camp Bondsteel to 'them'? In 1999 USA-NATO were desperate to have a huge military base in southern Balkans. That is what it was all about back then. Therefore, it was important to bed down with 'them' in order to get that all-important military footprint.
"in every copuntry in the world you have people who don't respect a courts decision and who hold protests."
(Nikolle, 9 February 2013 11:26)
I'm agree with you for peaceful protest in every country.
If during protest com to the destruction that's not protest any more.
Any government will use excessive force to stop street law or anarchy.
After war in the KiM street protest is finish with church to be down.
Please inspect spelling before post ( copuntry = country). Thanks.
I'd like to comment, but there's so much hate, so much hate, that it will make no difference.
Most of serbians I've met here in Toronto, Canada are non believers, they don't really care about the faith. And of course, they are all specialists about the serbian orthodox church.
This is disgusting. People, how can you live so much hate day after day, after day, after day.....
The Serbian army know how to deal with those criminals.
(Spartan, 8 February 2013 13:16)
the Serbian army is world's leader in dealing with disarmed people, women, children and earlderly. It gave a proof for years in the 90s.
But when it has to deal with regular army the tail under legs and run run to mammy Belgrade (Krajina) or even do not show at all in the battlefield (Slavonia).
Bit of reality check my dear as no one is or will even be impressed with an army that fights and cicks away women and children out of their homes.
People have the right to protest, especially in this case, where the church is being GIVEN 23 (!) hectares of land! That land has never belonged to the church so I fully understand the protestors. It's illogical to give that much land to a church that has already enough of it ...
They have every right to protest. That land that was given to the monastery by the Milosevic regime, were taken from two cooperatives. This land has never belonged to the monastery but to the members of the cooperatives. Ahtisaari, in order to appease the Serbs gave that land back to the monastery and now the Supreme Court too. There will be tens of families that will be rendered unemployed and homeless from this decision. Why does the monastery need the land? They should be in the business of praying
if there is a sentence even from the highest courte saying the land belongs to the Monastery what a hec these guys want???
and what will the Monastery do to these additional 23 hectars?? why not give it in use to the local commty? or the Monastry itself could develope some projects that could benefit the local commty and with that work on the reconciliation and peace.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans?
Bullets only help to calm savages.
“We consider such behavior, that is directly contrary to the rule of law”
What’s that? The EU has been trying to educate the Albanians for 13 years about proper behavior and still they have not succeeded. Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
The irony here is that the Albanians are doing to the Serbs what Serbs have dobe to bosniaks and Croats in the RS.
"Kosovo is our ancient heartland" you say, well it surely wasn't Bosnia.
You reap what you sow... Look in the mirror and admit that what the Albs are doing here is exactly the same as what Serbs dish out (and defend here on this forum) but now they are crying foul!!!
The Serbian army know how to deal with those criminals.
(Spartan, 8 February 2013 13:16)
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission.
I agree with most of your comment, except the part oabout albania getting EU status. It's very hard for me to say EU & albania in the same sentence.
(robert1899, 8 February 2013 17:33)
It is because you hate ALBANIANS so much, but to shade body, since you cannot do squat about it.
According to Kfor, there was about 20 to 25 people exercising their right to protest (a hard to grasp concept for our Serbian friends) in response to a court ruling. The protest was peacful and ended without a single incident. The protesters wanted to sage their protest near the monestaty to underscore their dissatisfaction with the ruling. The protest was against the ruling which gave public land over to the Monastery and there were people who disagreed with that ruling and peacfully staged a protest. I dont see where the problem with that is?
so in essense, yes, Kfor/KPS did stop those 20 ppl from staging their protest where they wanted to, but to describe this as some sort of seige is beyond hyperbolic.
Furthermore, the word extremist is used so loosely to describe these protesters that one can see right through it.
Just because holds a diametrically opposed opinion from yours, it doesnt make the other person an extremist for as long as they do not resort to violent means to enforce their ideas on to you. From this article itself we can see that the protest was peaceful and ended without incidents. So on what bases are these people referred to as extremists?
They are not Albanians, as they are a peace loving people who repair churches, not destroy them. They must be Ashkali and Serbs sent by the MUP to make Albs look bad.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
We (Serbs) don't want to control Albanians but certainly we don't want to give them what is ours. Lot of money from outside Kosovo was invested since the end of 2nd world war to develop Kosovo and we want that back and then we want to talk about partition and who will take what.
No it's either one place or the other, you can't have 2 ancient historical religious regions that are the cradle of your civilization.... Serbs came to Bosnia later.. Fleeing ottoman expansion from the south
welcome in multiethnic Kosovo. This is the way how terorists are dealing with minorities, unfortunetaly with support of EU and other international organizations.
"if there is a sentence even from the highest courte saying the land belongs to the Monastery what a hec these guys want??? "
(ben, 8 February 2013 13:25)
What they want? Probably stealing or usurping land that doesn't belong to them? Albanian clans and extremists only obey to the mafia law and what their clan boss tells them, do you think they care for anything some court is ruling? Funny.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans? ben
Because many Albanians in Kosovo want an ethnically pure land. They want everything and anything that is Serbian eradicated from Kosovo. Can you imagine attacking a monastery 4 times, for what? It is pure hatred, and nothing more. There is plenty of available land in Kosovo, so I don't think these 23 hectares that are in question would in any way imperil the local Albanians, so it is not a land issue. It is a issue because the land would belong to a Serbian monastery.
Kosvo Albanians are beeing ripped off every day, by their criminal corrupt government. Public companies Billions worth are beeing privatized for ridiculous money, but when it comes to six inches farmland for the orthodox church they get furious. Serbian Churches and cemeteries are prefered targets to distract from the feilure of Kosovo independence with growing extremism, alarming rate of illiteracy among young people and acceptability of organized crime like human trafficking.
I can imagine that all of these protests and threats by Albanians, today the monastery, yesterday some Albanian group asked the US to take Presevo away from Serbia, are probably starting to get under the West's skin a bit. They certainly had it coming, for so blindly backing one faction in a conflict so blindly, without realizing who they were befriending. Well, I can't say I'm not enjoying some of this. On one hand we have Prishtina's politicians talking of human rights for all, smiling silly in front of cameras, and then the next day this mob hell bent on destroying a monastery. Has Catherine Ashton made a statement yet, wonder if she will?
Hahahah my dear Albanian's the world is watching you!!! Lets look at some facts Serbia and Russia have a joint major energy project close to Kosovo and a certain Mr Putin has an eye on you lot on Pristina! I mean do you think they KPS can honestly stop the same Russian Bear that smashed Georgia!! Also another factor is public's views has changed dramatically here in the West, I hear a lot these days we bombed the wrong side and people! Also your actions like destroying graves, church's, attacking children and OAP's and other barbaric acts... Like I said Serbia and Serbs have to hold out and watch I'm sure when Albania gets EU status you will all apply for Albanian citizenship and go west!
"Visoki Decani was built in the XIV century by Serbian King Stefan Decanski and his son, Emperor Dusan."
Where were the Albanians in this time?
This land is land of Sérb.
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission
Get your facts straight, the serbian army didnt fight in bosnia nor croatia and we all know how things were going in Kosovo until you ran and cried to NATO so please dont be a fool. Vojska Republike Srpske managed to defend their people and territory in bosnia and create Republika Srpska whereas in Krajina the VRSK was sold out by Milosevic and withdrew into Bosnia more than a week before the croats started their "operation"of invading an empty territory. When the JNA was active in Croatia the croats were getting smashed and within one week 75%of the territory was under the JNA so if the JNA wouldve wanted to take Croatia it would have done it without even using 30%of its force. Hell the Croats barely managed to fight the Teritorijalna Odbrana even though they had both the ARBIH and NATO aviation support. Real warriors I must say, NOT.
Why does the monastery need the land? They should be in the business of praying
(Common Sense, 8 February 2013 15:03)
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Because it belongs to the church. Go and protest in front of your so-called "Supreme Court", that affirmed the decision made by UNMIK also. The land will be used to grow food and grapes for wine, which will be used to raise funds to upkeep the grounds, buildings and church.
ben said "the Serbian army is world's leader in dealing with disarmed people, women, children and earlderly" (*elderly, learn to spell). This is one of the funniest and most hypocritical statements I have ever read on here. When Serb forces came to fight the armed KLA you cowards called NATO in, now after the Serb army withdrew Serbian civilians are terrorised on a day to day basis, including assault, theft, murder, property destruction as well as that of graves. You are the most cowardly and sick people in Europe at least.
Because of Serbian army Serbia is in the situation it is. Serbian army had to 'run' from Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Today Serbian army can't do anything without NATO's permission.
(Avni, 8 February 2013 17:31)
So if it was not NATO it would be capable of doing some damage or not?
Leave joke aside, I think you're all VERY scared of Serbian Army which "can't do anything".
"According to Kfor, there was about 20 to 25 people exercising their right to protest (a hard to grasp concept for our Serbian friends) in response to a court ruling. "
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
Oh yes, 20-25. Only on the photo I can count some more. Other articles report about 2000 people protesting against returning stolen land to the rightful owners (the concept of ownership is hard to grasp for Albanians, obviously)
The irony here is that the Albanians are doing to the Serbs what Serbs have dobe to bosniaks and Croats in the RS.
The serbs didnt do anything to the Croats to make them pay for the crimes they committed upon the Serb people during ww2. Ever heard of Jasenovac?The muslims got what they deserved, nothing more, nothing less.
"Where were the Albanians in this time?"
This land is land of Sérb.
(cesk, 8 February 2013 16:47)
At that time albo is in Serb city Durrer(Drach) with Maniakes(1042yr.)
Before that (2nd place) is in the Sicily (Syracuse)also city Maniakes.
Please Open any web you will see nice "Maniakes Castle" for tourist attraction today. Poor albo is busted no more to be Illirian..
Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them.
Oh look. The Albanian mob is angry about something. Again. Of course this comprises Self-Determination and, no doubt, other dregs of the Drenica clans who will look for any and all reasons and excuses to kick up a fuss over something they neither have complete information over, nor have any power to influence. I hear no protests from authorities in Pristina, nor do I see any reasoned objection from normal individuals, so I have to conclude this once again is something extremists are using for political gain and media attention. No rational Albanian is sane enough to come anywhere near the Decani and Pec monasteries. The international community cares far too much about their preservation. I just find it deliciously ironic that everytime some official thinks that life in Kosovo is finally settling down to normal aside from a few "Serbian extremists" in the north, some group from the Albanian camp goes and upsets it all again.
why always there must be a big fuss about simple things in the Balkans?
(ben, 8 February 2013 13:25)
You tell me ben, they're your alleged compatriots, but if you want more information, have a look here. It would seem EULEX made the decision and pleas to America from Albanians are, again, going unnoticed.
"Why does the monastery need the land?
They should be in the business of praying"
@(Common Sense, 8 February 2013 15:03)
Here is ccomparation :
In Sicily Roman don't destroy Sirakuze George Maniakes castle (mint condition), also all city at west is with Maniakes name belong to the albanian leader. Today Castle atraction make money from visitors.
Primitive Balkan Albo going in wrong direction.
They do their best, do they can, get them ready for Afghanistan.
1st rule the laws of Germany
2nd rule don't talk to commies
3rd rule be nice to mommy
4th rule eat kosher salamies
Stop the BS! Look at the You Tube video of the albanians attacking a cake at 100 year independance of albania in tirana and tell me that EU membership is right around the corner.
"so in essense, yes, Kfor/KPS did stop those 20 ppl from staging their protest where they wanted to, but to describe this as some sort of seige is beyond hyperbolic.
Furthermore, the word extremist is used so loosely to describe these protesters that one can see right through it. "
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
Well, unlike you, KFOR learned its lessons when the 'peaceful Albanian protesters' looted and vandalized dozens of Serbian churches and monasteries some years ago, encouraged by lies and false information spread by Pristina media. Thy know well what to expect from those people who you don't wanna call 'extremists' and who even don't respect decisions of the highest courts.
Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
As I have said many times before it’s only the Serbs that can control the Albanians in Kosovo.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
I have to ask what you base the first statement on. I am sure it is from a top secret meeting you attended with Obama and the joint chiefs of staff which you are not at liberty to reveal, but pleasure us with your answer anyway.
The second statement is not yours, it is almost a direct quote from Milosevic during post Rambouillet talks and as was challenging the US to go ahead and bomb Serbia. It was captured on film and played around the world. But that would explain a lot, is your next claim to actually be His reincarnation?
"Kosovo is our ancient heartland" you say, well it surely wasn't Bosnia.
very ironic indeed.
(Tony, 8 February 2013 17:38)
Bosnia isn't only Bosniak's land, but also Serbian. Recently about a half of Bosnian population was Serbian, now a third of Bosnian residents are Serbs, they are native people there.
strange, KFOR today denied the Serbian media reports regarding the nature of the protest. not to worry, we're used to Serbs wanting to portray themselves as victims
Blocking roads in protest of agreements in North Kosovo by Serbs is considered peaceful exercise of their freedoms. Protests without violence in South Kosovo by Albanians is considered ethnic cleansing.
"...who even don't respect decisions of the highest courts."
in every copuntry in the world you have people who don't respect a courts decision and who hold protests. seriously, you write a lot of rubbish now and again.
"Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them."
(Radoslav, 8 February 2013 22:05)
So how can Albanians claim Kosovo land, an land that never world history had knowledge of they were living here...
Go to the other side of the sea, there are so many land for them, Saara Desert
Little wonder the US is abandoning them.
(sj, 8 February 2013 13:21)
Not sure why the above is important... As the CE of the B92 forums sj has ruled, the US has collapsed and it's nearing its end so having or not having the support of the US is irrelevant.
"The situation is calm on Friday afternoon in the vicinity of the monastery of Visoki Dečani in Kosovo, after "local extremists" were prevented to approach it."
Interesting... I thought they were "local businessmen" (per B92 voculabory)
All of you have short term memories of the communist days of FROY. It wasn't long ago that these lands were sold by someone to others and they were legal documents. Now if the communists disregarded the true owner of the property (the church) and let people buy it then it is the states duty to compensate the people who think they are the owners. Belgrade who is also so interested in the churches matters should be helping Kosovo/a pay these landowners their due share.
All of you go to extreme thougthts about each other, which is utterly wrong. There are people that dislike the other group but a lot of the people protesting are landowners that have a claim on the property (even though it is not valid due to prior documents) but the fault remains to the government of the old communists.
Now you have people (nationalists) using this as a tool. People wake up and rememeber what part of the world you are in. Belgrade is only 5 hours away from central Kosovo/a and there isn't much difference between the two groups, unless you are kidding yourself.
Just because holds a diametrically opposed opinion from yours, it doesnt make the other person an extremist for as long as they do not resort to violent means to enforce their ideas on to you. From this article itself we can see that the protest was peaceful and ended without incidents. So on what bases are these people referred to as extremists?
(Visar, 8 February 2013 17:31)
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Well they didn't get a chance to show you on what basis.
But this is what they do when they come across a Serbian church on pumped up to "protest".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0eaObJVpA
You want to see some more "protesting" by your lot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gopoV69HXl8
Yep, we can all see how you exercise your democratic right to protest.
Balkan albo is to yung to clame any land to be belong to them."
(Radoslav, 8 February 2013 22:05)
So how can Albanians claim Kosovo land, an land that never world history had knowledge of they were living here...
Go to the other side of the sea, there are so many land for them, Saara Desert
(cesk, 9 February 2013 00:13)
I will take fresh story: Go to Visoki Decani and see what is happen.
(No Serbs any more in that area + Stealing monastery land today).
Arnaurt place is not Sahara.
Albo 2-nd place is in the Sicily. Just Take small trip to the Syracuse and you will founded very nice castle from famous Albo General George Maniakes. Also at west is city with name Maniakes.That's your 2-nd land.
In the Kosovo your people is under 200yr.
In common word:
What Serb build is there in the Kosovo - Arnaut did not build nothing.
What Albo build in the Sicily stay till today. Serb did not build nothing in the Syracuse. Please have respect to the old Balkan people.
I'd like to comment, but there's so much hate, so much hate, that it will make no difference.
Most of serbians I've met here in Toronto, Canada are non believers, they don't really care about the faith. And of course, they are all specialists about the serbian orthodox church.
This is disgusting. People, how can you live so much hate day after day, after day, after day.....
"changed your name again have you?"
(Nikolle, 9 February 2013 11:26)
Few mounts ago I'm static reader of B92 news and comments in English version. My attention from news was shifted to the comments with priority of the Kosovo land. Flooded with to many similar sentences like one of them ("we are here Before Serb com, this is our old land , we are Illyrian or oldest people in the Balkan etc.") This type of the expression in the public is reader choice it's not my and i give to them credit for own opinion. But post from them must be realistic and truthful otherwise miss balance must be balanced like in my post digging old books from old Greeks & Roman time to found truth and nothing more. I’m Not on any side Serbian or Albanian I'm totally neutral reader.
Example : If Serbian post say we are in the Kosovo from that and that time past history match and I don't oppose that, but if Albanian post is in hiding expression, they deserve to be informed to tell truth. Last example: I learn something new from post here that Maniakes Castle in Syracuse is well preserved. Albanian must be proud of own ancient old architectures, Castle is there, please be realistic and objective.
I'd like to comment, but there's so much hate, so much hate, that it will make no difference.
Most of serbians I've met here in Toronto, Canada are non believers, they don't really care about the faith. And of course, they are all specialists about the serbian orthodox church.
This is disgusting. People, how can you live so much hate day after day, after day, after day.....
(kris, 10 February 2013 02:24)
kris, I could not agree more with you. I'm an ethnic Albanian living here in Novi Sad (hence my username) and while I have not received any negative comments about my nationality in Serbia, the vitriolic hatred on this website between posters often gives me facepalm moments.
Back to the news item in question. I think the actions of Vetevendosje are a disgrace. People like Albin Kurti should know better than to harass elderly monks. Respect the court's decision and leave the monks in peace. Shame on you all.
"in every copuntry in the world you have people who don't respect a courts decision and who hold protests."
(Nikolle, 9 February 2013 11:26)
I'm agree with you for peaceful protest in every country.
If during protest com to the destruction that's not protest any more.
Any government will use excessive force to stop street law or anarchy.
After war in the KiM street protest is finish with church to be down.
Please inspect spelling before post ( copuntry = country). Thanks.
Few mounts ago I'm static reader of B92 news and comments in English version. My attention from news was shifted to the comments with priority of the Kosovo land. Flooded with to many similar sentences like one of them ("we are here Before Serb com, this is our old land , we are Illyrian or oldest people in the Balkan etc.") This type of the expression in the public is reader choice it's not my and i give to them credit for own opinion. But post from them must be realistic and truthful otherwise miss balance must be balanced like in my post digging old books from old Greeks & Roman time to found truth and nothing more. I’m Not on any side Serbian or Albanian I'm totally neutral reader.
Example : If Serbian post say we are in the Kosovo from that and that time past history match and I don't oppose that, but if Albanian post is in hiding expression, they deserve to be informed to tell truth. Last example: I learn something new from post here that Maniakes Castle in Syracuse is well preserved. Albanian must be proud of own ancient old architectures, Castle is there, please be realistic and objective.
(Bugar from Skoplje, 10 February 2013 06:12)
Ok, so say Albanians were never in Kosovo; say Serbs were there since 2000 years ago; say that X was there since 10000 years ago; say Y was there since 100000 years ago and so on.... so what's your point (beside the academic discussion about history that I love) ?
...and I still don't know what you're on about. i guess nothing more left to write apart from thanking you twice, one for Macedonia's recognition and two for Bulgaria's.
Re comment 'the US is abandoning them', i.e. more important, will US abandon Camp Bondsteel to 'them'? In 1999 USA-NATO were desperate to have a huge military base in southern Balkans. That is what it was all about back then. Therefore, it was important to bed down with 'them' in order to get that all-important military footprint.
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