Official urges "accepting of institutions in north"

And he forgot to mention that for the 960 Euros Belgrade spends per minute for Kosovo the Serbs are getting a "real bargain...
(pro-me, 20 December 2011 13:22)

Don't worry about it, 960 Euros per minute is nothing, it used to cost much more to keep all you people off the streets. You should be worried more about how much your sponsors are spending:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Please note that the US tax revenue is 2.3 Trillion annually, and they are spending 3.6 Trillion. Hint...disaster is coming, and funding of the KLA organ snatchers will come to an end soon. We can wait. Ron Paul's message is finaly getting through and Americans are waking up to the fact that they will have to pull back their military from all these places or else their currency will become worthless.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/can-ron-paul-win-iowa-yup/2011/12/19/gIQAjzEc4O_blog.html
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades. :)
Cheers!!

The only parallel institutions in KiM are those run by Albanians and enforced by the occupation. The fact that they are attempting to change the reality on the ground will be met with resistance and that will eventually be their undoing. It is the bone that gets stuck in their throat.

And he forgot to mention that for the 960 Euros Belgrade spends per minute for Kosovo the Serbs are getting a "real bargain": By now all K-Serbs should own a private swimming pool and a Mercedes. If only I knew why they don't...

Merkel would have made more use of herself working the fields rather than getting involved in politics.

She is built like tractor & work like horse, she make good plough.

:D

pay attention that Serbs, unlike your fellow ALbo intruders, work to survive - I saw only "illyrians" driving stolen fancy cars and bikes. Or another alternative was that every house had several of them ("sent by their working relatives") on the second floor of their shabby unfinished houses - that is by the way in common for all muslims - evade taxes and run criminal criminal activities...

If Oliver Ivanovic actually referred to the institutions in non occupied Kosovo as "parallel" then he is a clown just like the rest of them.

The reality is there is no way Albanian policeman would be able to walk around Mitrovica without fearing for their lives. Plain and simple, you wont survive up north.

Fix what part of Kosovo you are currently occupying. Clean up the heroin, the meth, the extracted organs and the child prostitutes THEN come talk to us about the north.

If Albanians were half way educated they would realize this is all to take attention away from their pathetic living standards.

Albanians have no idea what to do with the north except thinking about controlling it. They offer no positive solutions, no offers of compromise, and no policies of integration. All they do is threaten to takeover and establish their own authority. Much like Milosevic did in the 1990s. They can't even offer autonomy! So can anyone really blame Serbs for wanting nothing to do with them? :)

The reality is there is no way Albanian policeman would be able to walk around Mitrovica without fearing for their lives. Plain and simple, you wont survive up north.
(Ari Gold, 20 December 2011 13:45)

If only you would have at least been once in Kosovo, you would know that Mitrovica is divided. Your description is only valid for the northern part and only tells a lot about K-Serbs.

Everyday Serb politicians come up with a different story, after they are surprised when nobody takes them seriously.

Official urges "accepting of institutions in north".

Accepting the result of the independence referendum in Presevo valley would equal to "accepting of institutions in north".

Inaddition you better urge yourself first to accept Vojvodina and Sanjak will for republic and eventual independence, the accepting the result of the independence referendum in Presevo valley as the institutions in north are ILLEGAL under international affairs.

Ask Ms. Clinton, Frau Merkel, Mr.Cameron or Monsieur Sarkozy if you have any doubts?!

How about that??!

So Belgrade is admitting to funding and supporting the parallel institutions in the North?

How about that??!
(passing by, 20 December 2011 14:09)
How about what?

In Kosovo, only the 'institutions' who came into power via manipulated elections with faked ballots, bought votes and intimidated voters are considered legal.

Ivanovic should urge the Serbs in Northern Kosovo to recognize Kosovo's central institutions, participate in Kosovo's elections, send their representatives to Kosovo's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under KPS of course), collect their taxes, and so on. Nobody cares how much money they get from Serbia, or if they fly Serbia's flags in downtown Northern Mitrovica.

Just keep it legit, then everyone lives happily ever after!
(Classick, 20 December 2011 20:14)

What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on.

So Belgrade is admitting to funding and supporting the parallel institutions in the North?
(Ian, UK, 20 December 2011 15:09)

Serbian institutions in the North are legal, nobody questions is as far as I know, but Merkel wants Serbia to give in on N.Kosovo in order to become EU candidate.

I rmember you told Kosovo ethnic division will be only realistic solution.

Merkel opposes any realistic long-term solutions on Kosovo.

So Belgrade is admitting to funding and supporting the parallel institutions in the North?
(Ian, UK, 20 December 2011 15:09)
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LOL Ian, please stick to British politics or get your head out of the sand. Since the Albanians don't have any institutions in the north, there are no parallel structures there. However, since the legitimate Serbian ones exist, who do you think funds that?

I don't understand - if there are Serbia's institutions in the North, they are probably respobsible for money KSerbs get from central Serbia, so why Albanians here outcry about North Kosovo criminality existing on central Serbia's money? Or are those Serbia's institutions not full-functional?

Albanians seem to care so much about central Serbia's money spent on Serbs...

Northern Kosovo has a Serb majority that rejects the ethnic Albanian unilateral declaration of independence, and the authority of the government in Priština.
Why the albanians have more rights than serbians to choose their master ?

The last sentence of this is what is important. It is right to talk to the locals. I think they know.what they want, and it is not to be a pawn in an international game of completing an invasion of their home territory for the benefit of Albanians who have had a policy of making life bad for Serbs so they can steal their land.

The EU won't change that. Neither should it.

Kfor and Eulex(formerly Unmik) are the only ones who decide which institutions are legal or not.
(Real Canadian, 20 December 2011 19:10)
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Not true. If they exceed their mandate, as they have, then their legal standing becomes void. In that case they can only rule by force, as they are. You see, those Serbian representatives were democratically elected and to the Serbs, that's all that counts. So there is a choice here between democracy or "might is right". We are supporting democracy, the right to protest and rejecting "might" via peaceful resistance.

If Albanians were half way educated they would realize this is all to take attention away from their pathetic living standards.
(Ari Gold, 20 December 2011 13:45)

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Merkel would have made more use of herself working the fields rather than getting involved in politics.

She is built like tractor & work like horse, she make good plough.

:D
(trizo, 20 December 2011 13:28)

I dont know how these comments passed by the moderator!!! But anyways it just shows some bigots full of themselves.

As for the article its just political talk for internal consumption. The institutions are Illegal because Kumanovo agreement and your beloved 1244 says so. Kfor and Eulex(formerly Unmik) are the only ones who decide which institutions are legal or not.

Ivanović believes that "it will be hard to remove" the Serbs' local self-governments, "because they have no alternative to that, especially in the north":

It is NOT HARD at all Mr Jovanic, you and Serbia are making it harder and harder for yourselves. Serbia must recognise officially Kosovo independence, abolish parelel local Serb institution in norther Kosovo and enter in REAL TALKS with Kosovo authorities about the local Serbs rights and Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Now tell me how hard is that? If there is a will there is a way.

Ivanovic should urge the Serbs in Northern Kosovo to recognize Kosovo's central institutions, participate in Kosovo's elections, send their representatives to Kosovo's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under KPS of course), collect their taxes, and so on. Nobody cares how much money they get from Serbia, or if they fly Serbia's flags in downtown Northern Mitrovica.

Just keep it legit, then everyone lives happily ever after!

Are you Serbs not for Resolution 1244? Because under this resolution there are no Serbian institutions operating in Kosovo. The only recognized authority is that of the government of Kosova.

Ari Gold , we will walk Mitrovica streets safe and free be sure about that.You used to say samething about Croats in Knin but you do not talk about that anymore.What happen ? If you remember !!!!it used to be part of yours. upss not anymore.

To abolish Serbian institutions in the North means to eliminate Serbian schools, courts, etc...

What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on.
(aaayyy, 20 December 2011 23:20)
Maybe you should change your name to Rip Van Winkle, as you have been sleeping for the past 20+years. Refresh your memory.
That was exactly what had prior to Milosevic, then he took it all away which led to a huge campaign of ethnic cleansing resulting in international intervention the stripping of the territory from Serbian control and creating the mess we have today.
The problem is that Serbia was given the opportunity to show some kind of guarantees to the international community that history would not repeat itself, and the interest has never been there, thus the breakdown of negotiations and the resulting UDI.
The north has those guarantees in the Ahtisaari plan, with international overseers to make sure. List anything the Serbian govt has done to make such a guarantee.
The ball has always been in the Serbian court to show some change, but Serbia has taken the attitude it is the Albanians that need to crawl back and beg for forgiveness. You seem to think that removing Milosevic from office should have been enough, but you only replaced him with others with the same ideas.
There is a saying
"Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me"

Are you Serbs not for Resolution 1244? Because under this resolution there are no Serbian institutions operating in Kosovo. The only recognized authority is that of the government of Kosova.
(1244 anyone?, 20 December 2011 20:14)

1244 Doesnt say which of the two structures in Kosovo legitimate (largely because they didnt exist until 2011), However, those in N. Kosovo have a strong case for being the legitimate one, and here is why

Firstly, The structures in Northern Kosovo consider themselelves a self governing part of Serbia, explicitly stated in Resolution 1244, those in the south do not, one could argue that the structures in Southern Kosovo voided their claim to legitimacy in doing so.

Secondly, Those in the North fly the UN flag, as stated in Resolution 1244, those in the south do not

Thirdly, the politicians in the north were elected fairly, those in the south were not

Fourthly, the structures in the north are not, as you said, the institutions of (central) Serbia, and in recent months there has been a split in the relations between the Serbs of Kosovo and Tadic's government.

What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on.
(aaayyy, 20 December 2011 23:20)

I think that's a great idea! But good luck trying to get Albanians to think that rationally and logically :)

"What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on. "

garbage. KAlbas, as you so derogatory refer to them, had much less autonomy than you're proposing now, with the 1974 constitution....even that was taken away. forget it, the solution to this is Independence, nothing else.

hahahagagagaagaga @ his comments

It is clear that SERBIA will have to recognize KOSOVO independence for it to become a member of the EU,PROBLEM how is PRISTINA going to resolve the problem of language, law and order jobs education etc,is the solution the same as in MACEDONIA where the majority speak ALBANIAN,that is the language,or MACEDONIAN,depending where you are ,to me that is only a short term solution.Joining the EU at this time is NOT A RECIPE for economic prosperity.

And he forgot to mention that for the 960 Euros Belgrade spends per minute for Kosovo the Serbs are getting a "real bargain": By now all K-Serbs should own a private swimming pool and a Mercedes. If only I knew why they don't...

pay attention that Serbs, unlike your fellow ALbo intruders, work to survive - I saw only "illyrians" driving stolen fancy cars and bikes. Or another alternative was that every house had several of them ("sent by their working relatives") on the second floor of their shabby unfinished houses - that is by the way in common for all muslims - evade taxes and run criminal criminal activities...

Official urges "accepting of institutions in north".

Accepting the result of the independence referendum in Presevo valley would equal to "accepting of institutions in north".

Inaddition you better urge yourself first to accept Vojvodina and Sanjak will for republic and eventual independence, the accepting the result of the independence referendum in Presevo valley as the institutions in north are ILLEGAL under international affairs.

Ask Ms. Clinton, Frau Merkel, Mr.Cameron or Monsieur Sarkozy if you have any doubts?!

How about that??!

The only parallel institutions in KiM are those run by Albanians and enforced by the occupation. The fact that they are attempting to change the reality on the ground will be met with resistance and that will eventually be their undoing. It is the bone that gets stuck in their throat.

So Belgrade is admitting to funding and supporting the parallel institutions in the North?

The reality is there is no way Albanian policeman would be able to walk around Mitrovica without fearing for their lives. Plain and simple, you wont survive up north.
(Ari Gold, 20 December 2011 13:45)

If only you would have at least been once in Kosovo, you would know that Mitrovica is divided. Your description is only valid for the northern part and only tells a lot about K-Serbs.

Merkel would have made more use of herself working the fields rather than getting involved in politics.

She is built like tractor & work like horse, she make good plough.

:D

Everyday Serb politicians come up with a different story, after they are surprised when nobody takes them seriously.

Are you Serbs not for Resolution 1244? Because under this resolution there are no Serbian institutions operating in Kosovo. The only recognized authority is that of the government of Kosova.

Ivanović believes that "it will be hard to remove" the Serbs' local self-governments, "because they have no alternative to that, especially in the north":

It is NOT HARD at all Mr Jovanic, you and Serbia are making it harder and harder for yourselves. Serbia must recognise officially Kosovo independence, abolish parelel local Serb institution in norther Kosovo and enter in REAL TALKS with Kosovo authorities about the local Serbs rights and Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Now tell me how hard is that? If there is a will there is a way.

If Oliver Ivanovic actually referred to the institutions in non occupied Kosovo as "parallel" then he is a clown just like the rest of them.

The reality is there is no way Albanian policeman would be able to walk around Mitrovica without fearing for their lives. Plain and simple, you wont survive up north.

Fix what part of Kosovo you are currently occupying. Clean up the heroin, the meth, the extracted organs and the child prostitutes THEN come talk to us about the north.

If Albanians were half way educated they would realize this is all to take attention away from their pathetic living standards.

If Albanians were half way educated they would realize this is all to take attention away from their pathetic living standards.
(Ari Gold, 20 December 2011 13:45)

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Merkel would have made more use of herself working the fields rather than getting involved in politics.

She is built like tractor & work like horse, she make good plough.

:D
(trizo, 20 December 2011 13:28)

I dont know how these comments passed by the moderator!!! But anyways it just shows some bigots full of themselves.

As for the article its just political talk for internal consumption. The institutions are Illegal because Kumanovo agreement and your beloved 1244 says so. Kfor and Eulex(formerly Unmik) are the only ones who decide which institutions are legal or not.

Ivanovic should urge the Serbs in Northern Kosovo to recognize Kosovo's central institutions, participate in Kosovo's elections, send their representatives to Kosovo's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under KPS of course), collect their taxes, and so on. Nobody cares how much money they get from Serbia, or if they fly Serbia's flags in downtown Northern Mitrovica.

Just keep it legit, then everyone lives happily ever after!

And he forgot to mention that for the 960 Euros Belgrade spends per minute for Kosovo the Serbs are getting a "real bargain...
(pro-me, 20 December 2011 13:22)

Don't worry about it, 960 Euros per minute is nothing, it used to cost much more to keep all you people off the streets. You should be worried more about how much your sponsors are spending:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock

Please note that the US tax revenue is 2.3 Trillion annually, and they are spending 3.6 Trillion. Hint...disaster is coming, and funding of the KLA organ snatchers will come to an end soon. We can wait. Ron Paul's message is finaly getting through and Americans are waking up to the fact that they will have to pull back their military from all these places or else their currency will become worthless.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/can-ron-paul-win-iowa-yup/2011/12/19/gIQAjzEc4O_blog.html
The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades. :)
Cheers!!

Ivanovic should urge the Serbs in Northern Kosovo to recognize Kosovo's central institutions, participate in Kosovo's elections, send their representatives to Kosovo's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under KPS of course), collect their taxes, and so on. Nobody cares how much money they get from Serbia, or if they fly Serbia's flags in downtown Northern Mitrovica.

Just keep it legit, then everyone lives happily ever after!
(Classick, 20 December 2011 20:14)

What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on.

I don't understand - if there are Serbia's institutions in the North, they are probably respobsible for money KSerbs get from central Serbia, so why Albanians here outcry about North Kosovo criminality existing on central Serbia's money? Or are those Serbia's institutions not full-functional?

Albanians seem to care so much about central Serbia's money spent on Serbs...

How about that??!
(passing by, 20 December 2011 14:09)
How about what?

Albanians have no idea what to do with the north except thinking about controlling it. They offer no positive solutions, no offers of compromise, and no policies of integration. All they do is threaten to takeover and establish their own authority. Much like Milosevic did in the 1990s. They can't even offer autonomy! So can anyone really blame Serbs for wanting nothing to do with them? :)

So Belgrade is admitting to funding and supporting the parallel institutions in the North?
(Ian, UK, 20 December 2011 15:09)

Serbian institutions in the North are legal, nobody questions is as far as I know, but Merkel wants Serbia to give in on N.Kosovo in order to become EU candidate.

I rmember you told Kosovo ethnic division will be only realistic solution.

Merkel opposes any realistic long-term solutions on Kosovo.

Ari Gold , we will walk Mitrovica streets safe and free be sure about that.You used to say samething about Croats in Knin but you do not talk about that anymore.What happen ? If you remember !!!!it used to be part of yours. upss not anymore.

The last sentence of this is what is important. It is right to talk to the locals. I think they know.what they want, and it is not to be a pawn in an international game of completing an invasion of their home territory for the benefit of Albanians who have had a policy of making life bad for Serbs so they can steal their land.

The EU won't change that. Neither should it.

So Belgrade is admitting to funding and supporting the parallel institutions in the North?
(Ian, UK, 20 December 2011 15:09)
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LOL Ian, please stick to British politics or get your head out of the sand. Since the Albanians don't have any institutions in the north, there are no parallel structures there. However, since the legitimate Serbian ones exist, who do you think funds that?

Kfor and Eulex(formerly Unmik) are the only ones who decide which institutions are legal or not.
(Real Canadian, 20 December 2011 19:10)
--
Not true. If they exceed their mandate, as they have, then their legal standing becomes void. In that case they can only rule by force, as they are. You see, those Serbian representatives were democratically elected and to the Serbs, that's all that counts. So there is a choice here between democracy or "might is right". We are supporting democracy, the right to protest and rejecting "might" via peaceful resistance.

What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on.
(aaayyy, 20 December 2011 23:20)
Maybe you should change your name to Rip Van Winkle, as you have been sleeping for the past 20+years. Refresh your memory.
That was exactly what had prior to Milosevic, then he took it all away which led to a huge campaign of ethnic cleansing resulting in international intervention the stripping of the territory from Serbian control and creating the mess we have today.
The problem is that Serbia was given the opportunity to show some kind of guarantees to the international community that history would not repeat itself, and the interest has never been there, thus the breakdown of negotiations and the resulting UDI.
The north has those guarantees in the Ahtisaari plan, with international overseers to make sure. List anything the Serbian govt has done to make such a guarantee.
The ball has always been in the Serbian court to show some change, but Serbia has taken the attitude it is the Albanians that need to crawl back and beg for forgiveness. You seem to think that removing Milosevic from office should have been enough, but you only replaced him with others with the same ideas.
There is a saying
"Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me"

It is clear that SERBIA will have to recognize KOSOVO independence for it to become a member of the EU,PROBLEM how is PRISTINA going to resolve the problem of language, law and order jobs education etc,is the solution the same as in MACEDONIA where the majority speak ALBANIAN,that is the language,or MACEDONIAN,depending where you are ,to me that is only a short term solution.Joining the EU at this time is NOT A RECIPE for economic prosperity.

"What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on. "

garbage. KAlbas, as you so derogatory refer to them, had much less autonomy than you're proposing now, with the 1974 constitution....even that was taken away. forget it, the solution to this is Independence, nothing else.

Northern Kosovo has a Serb majority that rejects the ethnic Albanian unilateral declaration of independence, and the authority of the government in Priština.
Why the albanians have more rights than serbians to choose their master ?

In Kosovo, only the 'institutions' who came into power via manipulated elections with faked ballots, bought votes and intimidated voters are considered legal.

To abolish Serbian institutions in the North means to eliminate Serbian schools, courts, etc...

Are you Serbs not for Resolution 1244? Because under this resolution there are no Serbian institutions operating in Kosovo. The only recognized authority is that of the government of Kosova.
(1244 anyone?, 20 December 2011 20:14)

1244 Doesnt say which of the two structures in Kosovo legitimate (largely because they didnt exist until 2011), However, those in N. Kosovo have a strong case for being the legitimate one, and here is why

Firstly, The structures in Northern Kosovo consider themselelves a self governing part of Serbia, explicitly stated in Resolution 1244, those in the south do not, one could argue that the structures in Southern Kosovo voided their claim to legitimacy in doing so.

Secondly, Those in the North fly the UN flag, as stated in Resolution 1244, those in the south do not

Thirdly, the politicians in the north were elected fairly, those in the south were not

Fourthly, the structures in the north are not, as you said, the institutions of (central) Serbia, and in recent months there has been a split in the relations between the Serbs of Kosovo and Tadic's government.

What about the following proposal:
KAlbs should recognize Serbia's central institutions, participate in Serbia's elections, send their representatives to Serbia's parliament - then they will become legit. They can maintain their municipal affairs, control their police and the border checkpoints (under central Serbian police of course), collect their taxes, and so on.
(aaayyy, 20 December 2011 23:20)

I think that's a great idea! But good luck trying to get Albanians to think that rationally and logically :)

hahahagagagaagaga @ his comments