“NATO could intervene without UN SC decision”

I believe Hitler had the same excuse .

A bully is a person who:

* is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
* is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably
* is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
* gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
* is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
* is adept at creating conflict
* may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to hold them accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the damage caused to other people

If Nato woulden't exist 1 million Kosovo albanians would have lived outside their homeland because of serbian repression on them during the war in 1998-99. Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's.
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)
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Please explain. Only *after* NATO started bombing were people leaving KiM and as a result hundreds of thousands still remain ethnically cleansed. Yes, they are Serbian and non-Albanians but you obviously don't care about that.

As a result, if NATO were to ever leave then the cycle of violence will continue. NATO has not brought peace but only further division. Anyone bringing true peace would have reconciled the differences between Albania and all of its neighbours.

"He said that he would not rule out a possibility that NATO would have to intervene without the appropriate resolution of the UN Security Council in some cases."

Obviously the Yankees and their Nato stooges are still smarting over the Russian-Chinese vetoes at the UNSC over Syria.

A bully is a person who:

* is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
* is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably
* is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
* gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
* is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
* is adept at creating conflict
* may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to hold them accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the damage caused to other people
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 12:50)


The above sounds like Serbia in report with it's neighbours. Exacly!
If Nato woulden't exist 1 million Kosovo albanians would have lived outside their homeland because of serbian repression on them during the war in 1998-99. Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's.

Kosovo is today free and the people of Kosovo have an european perspective and an bright future. They at least can live peacefully in their homes with their family and relatives. All this because of Nato and USA.

Thank you Nato!

“That would not be an ideal situation but we have seen it in Kosovo. The international community intervened there and I believe, looking at it in light of history, that everybody agrees that it was a right thing to do,” the NATO secretary general stressed.


Since he used Kosova as an example, I think he is sending Serbia a clear message,that if need be ,NATO will bomb Serbia again.

I think NATO should be nominated and win for the Nobel peace price for humanitarian interventions.

Thank you NATO, God bless and you may last forever.

Obviously the Yankees and their Nato stooges are still smarting over the Russian-Chinese vetoes at the UNSC over Syria.
(lowe, 29 October 2011 13:00)
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Precisely!

The serial bully:

* is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment
* has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can (or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides; whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is an act
* excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their capacity to deceive
* is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of form - but there's no substance
* is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to hear and then saying it plausibly
* shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow and arguments that don't hold water
* refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer
* undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask
* is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief or affiliation
* is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation, trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression, manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness)
* is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication

Mr. Rasmussen! so you are saying that NATO is no different than the warsaw pact group?? anyway the Russians and the Chinese and other non aligned states will definitely watch NATO's every move.

NATO is a terrorist organisation & they always have ulterior motives.

The Albanians that post here & praise NATO should be ashamed. NATO are criminals & this is a perfect example of this. Stating that they can basically do whatever they want & have a license to kill.

Going against the UNSC is clear proof that they think they are above the universal law.

I hope this disgusting terrorist organisation will crumble.

The sooner NATO is disbanded, the better. It has no legitimacy anymore. It has been searching around for a reason to exist after the fall of USSR, and Yugoslavia was one of it's victims. Of course there are a lot of bureaucrats, secretaries and ex army officers who will lose their jobs so they have a vested interest in trying to make it relevant. Where next one wonders. A bit like the ICTY. The gravy train needs to come to an end, and it will.

the new world order.....wow can do what ever it wants .....without a un sc. decision. or approval..... every empire has It's downfall soon

“That would not be an ideal situation but we have seen it in Kosovo. The international community intervened there and I believe, looking at it in light of history, that everybody agrees that it was a right thing to do,” the NATO secretary general stressed.

“But on the other hand, that does not mean that the international community will just sit and watch passively as population is being massacred, as human rights are brutally violated or as even genocide is being conducted,”


This is what the free world thinks and no Satchi&satchi can change that. Just wase of money.

You can try to spread your b.sh. as much as you want but you will naver make th eblack look white.

Well it's never stopped the Soviet Union and it's successor the Russian Federation.

"Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's. "
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)
You are right, everybody will agree to that

"Kosovo is today free and the people of Kosovo have an european perspective and an bright future. "
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)
Free? Bright future? European perspective? This sentence can only be black irony, and is as far from the reality as the sun from the earth!

Dear Leonidas, I understand your hatred for NATO, but that does not mean that just for the sake of your hapiness to see NATO fail, Ghadaffi should have remained in power to continue the slaughter of the Libyan people. Have some mercy for them and don't condemn Libyans to death for having committed the "crime" of having NATO supporting them.

Just because NATO (wrongfuly, for you) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is wrong.

Just because NATO (rightfuly, for me) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is right.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 02:45)
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If Gaddafi was guilty of slaughtering his own people Nato would've taken him to ICC-their own court- to account for his actions.But because they couldn't prove anything-the same goes for Milocevic after two years of tial,they've decided to lynch him and kill him.

Nato's case for bombing Libya was build on lies in exactly the same was as in Kosovo.Have you forgotten William Cohen-the US defense secretary at the time-speaking on the world's media outlets about genocide committed in Kosovo with 250000 Albanians dead ?But then again I don't expect Albanian asswipes to criticise their Western boses as long as they benefit from them.But for how long? Not for long.

nato murder machine bragging again gonna thump the serb farmers again! real tough guys flying around bombing people that cant shoot back! serbs need ruskie missle base like today! ruskie fear no one! bomb us again you better stockpile body bags for brave nato flyboys but dont put them in bondsteel because it will be reduced to bondtin! real bunch of toughguys! wanna bump heads? try the ruskies!! george miletich

Please explain. Only *after* NATO started bombing were people leaving KiM and as a result hundreds of thousands still remain ethnically cleansed. Yes, they are Serbian and non-Albanians but you obviously don't care about that.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 14:41)

Zoran, what you're saying has already been analyzed, explained and rejected by the courts. Just do some reading of the relevant court judgements and you'll get your explanation. The NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.

Zoran, what you're saying has already been analyzed, explained and rejected by the courts. Just do some reading of the relevant court judgements and you'll get your explanation. The NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.
(icj1, 29 October 2011 17:43)

Analyzed by 'courts'?? These are not courts. Those were political show trials that have nothing to do with truth and justice. I guess by your standards political kangaroo courts run by NATO war criminals are real 'courts'.....lol. Only simpletons like you believe this.
Cheers!!

Rasmussen pointed out that the operation in Libya, which will end on October 31, “was a huge success, with 25,000 flights and 10,000 strikes and without confirmed victims caused by NATO”.
B92

One has to see pictures of the cities of Sirte and Bani Walid which were completely destroyed from Nato's bombing which takes the mask off Rasmussen's claim that it intervened in the Libyan conflict in order to “protect civilians” and this intervention caused no civilian casualties at all.

The uprising in Libya had nothing to do with people's revolution and it was a Western terrorist-led action that's been in the making for three decades, supported by key western intelligence agencies and NATO in collusion with corporate, financial and media interests.

Since the ICC is just extension of the fascist club called Nato one shouldn't expect to see the perpetrators of thousands of civilian deaths in Libya to face any charges.

The NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.
(icj1, 29 October 2011 17:43)
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You didn't understand my point. The mass displacement of all people, not just Albanians, started *after* NATO's bombing. My point being, if more effort was put into negotiations then the mass displacement could have easily been avoided. The Rambouillet accords had two unacceptable provisions that Serbians could not accept and they were duly removed in UNSCR1244 so it seems the bombing could have been avoided.

As for the reasons of that mass displacement, NATO, Albanians and Serbians all played a role in it. However, each side spun its own propaganda.

That is some statement. It was known already of course that that they don't need an approval of the UNSC (they just do it) but now they have come out in the open with it: it is official policy. The international order by that has officially been disturbed. A very dangerous trend. The mandate of Nato is to intervene in case of human rights abuses, organised crime, cybercrime and environmental crimes (Nato is basically doing these themselves). This mandate will be used as a pretect to go to war wherever it pleases Nato. I hope some of the members of the UNSC will address this issue in the security council.

NATO, for sure, was not the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. The Serbian army and MUP, for sure, were the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. On the rest, I agree with you; it may or may not be propoganda.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 02:21)
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LOL!! Thanks for letting me know Mr Knowitall. Which court certified it and can I see the certificate with an "official" stamp claiming NATO are not responsible for the mass displacement in KiM? LOL!!

Going against the UNSC is clear proof that they think they are above the universal law.
(trizo, 29 October 2011 15:36)

They did not say that they are going against the UNSC; so that is a clear proof that they think they are not above the unversal law.

No icj- the majority of the displacement DID occur only after the bombing started. Some of it also due to the KLA. And please don't imply this ethnic cleansing thing again. Operation Horseshoe right? Serbia has admitted and paid for and more any crimes it may have committed, why can't you do the same. Because this hoax will collapse like a house of cards.

NATO, comprised of bankrupt countries.....not just hopelessly financially bankrupt but morally and spiritually bankrupt.

@ Stasi ,

I completely agree with you that NATO are motivated by their own financial and political agendas - and this is the exact problem. They do not really care about "collateral damage" as they call it.

They only attack where they have a reason to do so and NOT to protect civilians.

Do you honestly think that Camp Bondsteel would be allowed on Serbian soil if NATO did not bomb the living daylights out of us in 99?

I just hope another alliance is invented and can stand up to NATO & their 'free license to kill' attitude.

Like this Rasmussen guy says (or lies) "we did no 'confirmed' casualties etc" - NATO also talk about how many drone strikes they made etc etc - they talk about this like they are playing 'counter strike' on a video game or something - it's disgusting.

They have messed up so many countries & they get away with this because no other organisation can stop them. Well I hope another alliance is made to prevent their attacks.

Down with NATO!

NATO you are a bunch of lying hypocrits, you people have committed murder and covered it up, you've watched other regimes you favour murder countless numbers of people and turned a blind eye. If it's someone you don't happen to like or there is something in it for you like oil perhaps then you become involved with the pretence you are protecting civilians.

icj-the perfect example if you tell a lie enough times, even the liar starts to believe it.

If Nato woulden't exist 1 million Kosovo albanians would have lived outside their homeland because of serbian repression on them during the war in 1998-99. Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's.
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)

If Nato woulden't exist

either

1)1 million Kosovo Albanians would have lived in prosperous western countries with refugee status, having much better quality of life

or

2) 1 million Kosovo albanians wouldn't have started rebellion/terrorist actions/provocations of Serbian police and lived peacefully in their homeland

anyway the Russians and the Chinese and other non aligned states will definitely watch NATO's every move.
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 October 2011 14:24)

I'm sure they will watch them and draw the lessons...

Rasmussen told Danish daily Politiken that “there can be situations when the international community has legal bases to intervene with support of the UN Charter, without a resolution of the Security Council”.

“That would not be an ideal situation but we have seen it in Kosovo. The international community intervened there and I believe, looking at it in light of history, that everybody agrees that it was a right thing to do,” the NATO secretary general stressed.

It looks like a robber boasts how he robbed a bank and got away with it.

like someone said, agreements were reached and bombing was not necessary. crimes committed on both sides, injustices for many on both sides, however the bombing campaign was not necessary but rather a provocation & intervention for more sinister objectives of western forces.

the same thing goes for Srebrenica. Agreements were almost reached, demilitarisation of areas agreed but western interference & ill guidance created a war zone.

It's disgusting what America & NATO have done to us and we will never forget this. They have created enemies for us. People who hate us. Tarnished our image in the world.

Even this islamic extremist in Sarajevo was shooting at the American embassy. He was not shooting at a Serbian orthodox or a Croatian catholic but he was shooting at the AMERICAN embassy. It is so clear that we hate you America (government) and we don't need your stupid NATO that has caused us so many problems.

One day we will unite again and take revenge on you NATO/US & crush your empire. Our history is 100 times older & richer than yours and will live 100 times longer on.

icj-messenger? Messenger of doom for real justice methinks.

NATO has just lost 13 US soldiers in Afghanistan and they are about to leave with their tails between their legs. The vast majority, in fact all except Germany, is broke including the US and this Rasmussen thinks that NATO can act unilaterally????
The US blundered into Afghanistan and then overextended itself by attacking Iraq. When it was losing both wars it called in NATO for help, but it is very interesting it also asked the UNSC to pass resolutions relating to stabilizing the country and now NATO is talking about intervening without UNSC authority.
Let’s see them try that one on. Actually they should rebadged NATO and call it p… and wind.

"if NATO were to ever leave then the cycle of violence will continue"

So, Zoran's basically saying (and probably cheering), if NATO leaves, Serbs will attack.

gross.

The sooner NATO is disbanded, the better. It has no legitimacy anymore. It has been searching around for a reason to exist after the fall of USSR, and Yugoslavia was one of it's victims. Of course there are a lot of bureaucrats, secretaries and ex army officers who will lose their jobs so they have a vested interest in trying to make it relevant. Where next one wonders. A bit like the ICTY. The gravy train needs to come to an end, and it will.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 18:16)

The train will come to an end when the NATO members decide so (for NATO) and when Russia, China and the others in the UNSC decide so (for the ICTY or the ICTR)

They did not say that they are going against the UNSC; so that is a clear proof that they think they are not above the unversal law.
(icj1, 29 October 2011 17:45)
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Maybe you have a problem with understanding what you read because that's exactly what they said.
NO need for UNSC permission? That's like saying a cop has every right to enter your house without a search warrant.

NATO is a terrorist organisation & they always have ulterior motives.

The Albanians that post here & praise NATO should be ashamed. NATO are criminals & this is a perfect example of this. Stating that they can basically do whatever they want & have a license to kill.

Going against the UNSC is clear proof that they think they are above the universal law.

I hope this disgusting terrorist organisation will crumble.
(trizo, 29 October 2011 15:36)

nato might be in some cases a criminal organization but they also need to protect their economic and politicall interests as every other country would do if they had the power of nato so it is understandable.

for us albanians nato was definitivly the best organization that ever existed specifically the leading nato countrys us and uk and we have/had neither oil nor money.they also accepted albania in 2009 as a full nato member.

so everyone schould stop blaming nato for the world problems because nato protects only its economic and politicall interests as every country in the world would do if they had the power of nato as i mentioned.

That is some statement. It was known already of course that that they don't need an approval of the UNSC (they just do it) but now they have come out in the open with it: it is official policy. The international order by that has officially been disturbed. A very dangerous trend. The mandate of Nato is to intervene in case of human rights abuses, organised crime, cybercrime and environmental crimes (Nato is basically doing these themselves). This mandate will be used as a pretect to go to war wherever it pleases Nato. I hope some of the members of the UNSC will address this issue in the security council.
(Joe A, 30 October 2011 09:26)
Are you just as enraged at Russia's move into Georgia without UNSC mandate? By some members I am sure you are speaking of Russia specifically. Would that not be another hypocritical move?

My dear Peggy; they exactly said that they can intervene if the UNSC says nothing. They did not say they they can intervene if the UNSC says "No". There is a big difference dear Peggy, in English, at least, between "nothing" and "no". So, yes, I admit that I have have a problem with understanding "nothing" as "no" in the version of English that I understand :)
(icj1, 30 October 2011 20:15)
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I see. So when you guys claim that all those UN countries which have not recognised you but have said nothing they actually mean NO.
Finally, YOU get it.

1 million Kosovo albanians wouldn't have started rebellion/terrorist actions/provocations of Serbian police and lived peacefully in their homeland
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 22:38)

1 million terrorists ?! Dude, are you saying that Serbia is insane for wasting millions of Serbia's taxpayer money for the goal of bringing 1 million terrorists back to Serbia ?! That's many times the current Serbia's prison population - where are you going to put 1 million of terrorists ? I hope you are not going to leave them free !

Analyzed by 'courts'?? These are not courts. Those were political show trials that have nothing to do with truth and justice. I guess by your standards political kangaroo courts run by NATO war criminals are real 'courts'.....lol. Only simpletons like you believe this.
(Dragan, 29 October 2011 20:54)

Really ?! Russia, China and others in the UNSC have set up a court run by NATO war criminals ?! That's a grave accusation against Russia and China, which are the strongest Serbia's allies (at least, so we've been told in these forums) !

1 million Kosovo albanians wouldn't have started rebellion/terrorist actions/provocations of Serbian police and lived peacefully in their homeland
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 22:38)

1 million terrorists ?! Dude, are you saying that Serbia is insane for wasting millions of Serbia's taxpayer money for the goal of bringing 1 million terrorists back to Serbia ?! That's many times the current Serbia's prison population - where are you going to put 1 million of terrorists ? I hope you are not going to leave them free !
(icj1, 30 October 2011 02:27)

The KLA started terrorist actions and as Albanians themselves say almost 100% Albanians supported the KLA.

How about my previous question? If most countries recognized Kosovo by default (keeping silence), as you claim, where are those counties' embassies in Kosovo?

You didn't understand my point. The mass displacement of all people, not just Albanians, started *after* NATO's bombing.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

My apologies, I confused correlation with causation :) I thought you were saying that it was NATO that caused the displacement, but I see that that’s not what you were saying. Now I understand your point, but I’m not sure that it started AFTER NATO’s bombing – my evidence says otherwise. Anyway, since it does not matter (because NATO’s bombing is not the cause) why not agree on the much less controversial fact that the mass displacement of all people in Kosovo started after, say, Earth’s creation ? I think, on that, we agree, don’t we ?
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My point being, if more effort was put into negotiations then the mass displacement could have easily been avoided.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

All effort was put into negotiations but the mass displacement forced by the actions of the Serbian army could not be avoided.
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The Rambouillet accords had two unacceptable provisions that Serbians could not accept and they were duly removed in UNSCR1244 so it seems the bombing could have been avoided.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

Which were these terrible provisions ?! And the avoidance or not of the bombing is irrelevant because we just said that it was not the bombing that caused the mass displacements.
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As for the reasons of that mass displacement, NATO, Albanians and Serbians all played a role in it. However, each side spun its own propaganda.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

NATO, for sure, was not the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. The Serbian army and MUP, for sure, were the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. On the rest, I agree with you; it may or may not be propoganda.

No icj- the majority of the displacement DID occur only after the bombing started.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 20:54)

Sure, it also occurred after Earth’s creation. Not sure what your point is ! But, I’m glad that you are not saying that the displacement occurred *because* of NATO’s bombing.
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Some of it also due to the KLA.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 20:54)

I’m not sure about that. One thing that we are sure about, as certified in court, is that the mass displacement of 700k people occurred because of the actions of the Serbian Army and MUP.
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And please don't imply this ethnic cleansing thing again.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 20:54)

I did not imply anything dear Wally. I’m just the messenger :)

One has to see pictures of the cities of Sirte and Bani Walid which were completely destroyed from Nato's bombing which takes the mask off Rasmussen's claim that it intervened in the Libyan conflict in order to “protect civilians” and this intervention caused no civilian casualties at all.

The uprising in Libya had nothing to do with people's revolution and it was a Western terrorist-led action that's been in the making for three decades, supported by key western intelligence agencies and NATO in collusion with corporate, financial and media interests.

Since the ICC is just extension of the fascist club called Nato one shouldn't expect to see the perpetrators of thousands of civilian deaths in Libya to face any charges.
(Leonidas, 29 October 2011 18:56)

Dear Leonidas, I understand your hatred for NATO, but that does not mean that just for the sake of your hapiness to see NATO fail, Ghadaffi should have remained in power to continue the slaughter of the Libyan people. Have some mercy for them and don't condemn Libyans to death for having committed the "crime" of having NATO supporting them.

Just because NATO (wrongfuly, for you) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is wrong.

Just because NATO (rightfuly, for me) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is right.

"Please explain. Only *after* NATO started bombing were people leaving KiM and as a result hundreds of thousands still remain ethnically cleansed. Yes, they are Serbian and non-Albanians but you obviously don't care about that.
Zoran"

Zoki, it looks like you're still going off of old propaganda materials. Sloba is dead, mate. There are new propaganda materials you can learn from. Get with it.

The train will come to an end when the NATO members decide so (for NATO) and when Russia, China and the others in the UNSC decide so (for the ICTY or the ICTR)
(icj1, 29 October 2011 22:50)

Do you mean NATO officials would like to disband NATO, but Russia and China protest?

icj, and the rest of the Kalb trolls- all your posts are based on the belief that Serbia has never been bombed, embargoed, demonised in the Western press, ethnically cleansed from Croatia and Kosovo etc, etc.. It seems you feel the Serbs have not suffered enough. In the meanwhile, the Croats and the Albanians have had no punishment whatsoever for their crimes. So we have done our time, you haven't. You should be quiet and hope you get away with it, which you won't, and that is why the Croats and Kalbs are so desperate to perpetuate their lies in case they get found out and the hoax collapses. And whats this "dear" business? Weak attempt at patronising people who don't agree with you maybe.

Do you mean NATO officials would like to disband NATO, but Russia and China protest?
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 13:10)

I said when NATO members decide so for NATO and when Russia/China decide so for the ICTY/ICTR. So, no, my sentence does not mean what you say.

I did not say anything about Russia/China in regards to NATO; nobody in NATO would care about Russia and China for that.

But Russia and China are the decision makers (together with others in the UNSC) for the ICTY and the ICTR.

LOL!! Thanks for letting me know Mr Knowitall. Which court certified it and can I see the certificate with an "official" stamp claiming NATO are not responsible for the mass displacement in KiM? LOL!!
(Zoran, 30 October 2011 13:43)

I'm not that Mr., but you are welcome, nonetheless :).

It was the ICTY that in the case of Šainović et al. declared in the judgment, I quote, "that the NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo" because somebody from the defence (similarly to you) tried to make a case for it.

Maybe you have a problem with understanding what you read because that's exactly what they said.
(Peggy, 30 October 2011 01:01)

My dear Peggy; they exactly said that they can intervene if the UNSC says nothing. They did not say they they can intervene if the UNSC says "No". There is a big difference dear Peggy, in English, at least, between "nothing" and "no". So, yes, I admit that I have have a problem with understanding "nothing" as "no" in the version of English that I understand :)

I see. So when you guys claim that all those UN countries which have not recognised you but have said nothing they actually mean NO.
Finally, YOU get it.
(Peggy, 31 October 2011 07:07)

No, I don't get it, because I do not confuse "No" with "Nothing" in the version of English that I speak. Of course, you are free to assume that "No" means "Nothing", just don't expect others to use your assumptions.

Indeed, if somebody asks country X whether Kosovo is still part of Serbia and X says nothing, I don't want to assume that X thinks No, Kosovo is no longer part of Serbia. But, as I said, you are free to think so.

icj, and the rest of the Kalb trolls- all your posts are based on the belief that Serbia has never been bombed, embargoed, demonised in the Western press, ethnically cleansed from Croatia and Kosovo etc, etc.. It seems you feel the Serbs have not suffered enough.
(Wally, 31 October 2011 14:06)

No, I don’t believe so and I never said so. But, of course, that’s a matter of personal opinion. You are free to think that Serbia has never been bombed, embargoed, demonised in the Western press, ethnically cleansed from Croatia and Kosovo etc, etc.. or that Serbs have not suffered enough.
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In the meanwhile, the Croats and the Albanians have had no punishment whatsoever for their crimes. So we have done our time, you haven't. You should be quiet and hope you get away with it, which you won't, and that is why the Croats and Kalbs are so desperate to perpetuate their lies in case they get found out and the hoax collapses. And whats this "dear" business? Weak attempt at patronising people who don't agree with you maybe.
(Wally, 31 October 2011 14:06)

My dear Wally; I’ve not been convicted of any crime and I hope, you haven’t, too. So, I’m not sure what you are talking about. Take a deep breath, recollect your thoughts and come back and let us know what you were trying to say in relation to the topic being discussed.

A bully is a person who:

* is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
* is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably
* is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
* gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
* is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
* is adept at creating conflict
* may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to hold them accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the damage caused to other people
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 12:50)


The above sounds like Serbia in report with it's neighbours. Exacly!
If Nato woulden't exist 1 million Kosovo albanians would have lived outside their homeland because of serbian repression on them during the war in 1998-99. Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's.

Kosovo is today free and the people of Kosovo have an european perspective and an bright future. They at least can live peacefully in their homes with their family and relatives. All this because of Nato and USA.

Thank you Nato!

I think NATO should be nominated and win for the Nobel peace price for humanitarian interventions.

Thank you NATO, God bless and you may last forever.

“That would not be an ideal situation but we have seen it in Kosovo. The international community intervened there and I believe, looking at it in light of history, that everybody agrees that it was a right thing to do,” the NATO secretary general stressed.


Since he used Kosova as an example, I think he is sending Serbia a clear message,that if need be ,NATO will bomb Serbia again.

I believe Hitler had the same excuse .

If Nato woulden't exist 1 million Kosovo albanians would have lived outside their homeland because of serbian repression on them during the war in 1998-99. Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's.
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)
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Please explain. Only *after* NATO started bombing were people leaving KiM and as a result hundreds of thousands still remain ethnically cleansed. Yes, they are Serbian and non-Albanians but you obviously don't care about that.

As a result, if NATO were to ever leave then the cycle of violence will continue. NATO has not brought peace but only further division. Anyone bringing true peace would have reconciled the differences between Albania and all of its neighbours.

Mr. Rasmussen! so you are saying that NATO is no different than the warsaw pact group?? anyway the Russians and the Chinese and other non aligned states will definitely watch NATO's every move.

A bully is a person who:

* is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
* is a control freak and has a compulsive need to control everyone and everything you say, do, think and believe; for example, will launch an immediate personal attack attempting to restrict what you are permitted to say if you start talking knowledgeably
* is emotionally immature and emotionally untrustworthy
* gains gratification from denying people what they are entitled to
* is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
* is adept at creating conflict
* may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to hold them accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the damage caused to other people

NATO is a terrorist organisation & they always have ulterior motives.

The Albanians that post here & praise NATO should be ashamed. NATO are criminals & this is a perfect example of this. Stating that they can basically do whatever they want & have a license to kill.

Going against the UNSC is clear proof that they think they are above the universal law.

I hope this disgusting terrorist organisation will crumble.

"Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's. "
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)
You are right, everybody will agree to that

"Kosovo is today free and the people of Kosovo have an european perspective and an bright future. "
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)
Free? Bright future? European perspective? This sentence can only be black irony, and is as far from the reality as the sun from the earth!

Obviously the Yankees and their Nato stooges are still smarting over the Russian-Chinese vetoes at the UNSC over Syria.
(lowe, 29 October 2011 13:00)
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Precisely!

The serial bully:

* is a convincing, practised liar and when called to account, will make up anything spontaneously to fit their needs at that moment
* has a Jekyll and Hyde nature - is vile, vicious and vindictive in private, but innocent and charming in front of witnesses; no-one can (or wants to) believe this individual has a vindictive nature - only the current target of the serial bully's aggression sees both sides; whilst the Jekyll side is described as "charming" and convincing enough to deceive personnel, management and a tribunal, the Hyde side is frequently described as "evil"; Hyde is the real person, Jekyll is an act
* excels at deception and should never be underestimated in their capacity to deceive
* is glib, shallow and superficial with plenty of fine words and lots of form - but there's no substance
* is unusually skilled in being able to anticipate what people want to hear and then saying it plausibly
* shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow and arguments that don't hold water
* refuses to be specific and never gives a straight answer
* undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask
* is spiritually dead although may loudly profess some religious belief or affiliation
* is convinced of their superiority and has an overbearing belief in their qualities of leadership but cannot distinguish between leadership (maturity, decisiveness, assertiveness, co-operation, trust, integrity) and bullying (immaturity, impulsiveness, aggression, manipulation, distrust, deceitfulness)
* is constantly imposing on others a false reality made up of distortion and fabrication

Please explain. Only *after* NATO started bombing were people leaving KiM and as a result hundreds of thousands still remain ethnically cleansed. Yes, they are Serbian and non-Albanians but you obviously don't care about that.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 14:41)

Zoran, what you're saying has already been analyzed, explained and rejected by the courts. Just do some reading of the relevant court judgements and you'll get your explanation. The NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.

the new world order.....wow can do what ever it wants .....without a un sc. decision. or approval..... every empire has It's downfall soon

Going against the UNSC is clear proof that they think they are above the universal law.
(trizo, 29 October 2011 15:36)

They did not say that they are going against the UNSC; so that is a clear proof that they think they are not above the unversal law.

"if NATO were to ever leave then the cycle of violence will continue"

So, Zoran's basically saying (and probably cheering), if NATO leaves, Serbs will attack.

gross.

"He said that he would not rule out a possibility that NATO would have to intervene without the appropriate resolution of the UN Security Council in some cases."

Obviously the Yankees and their Nato stooges are still smarting over the Russian-Chinese vetoes at the UNSC over Syria.

“That would not be an ideal situation but we have seen it in Kosovo. The international community intervened there and I believe, looking at it in light of history, that everybody agrees that it was a right thing to do,” the NATO secretary general stressed.

“But on the other hand, that does not mean that the international community will just sit and watch passively as population is being massacred, as human rights are brutally violated or as even genocide is being conducted,”


This is what the free world thinks and no Satchi&satchi can change that. Just wase of money.

You can try to spread your b.sh. as much as you want but you will naver make th eblack look white.

Well it's never stopped the Soviet Union and it's successor the Russian Federation.

anyway the Russians and the Chinese and other non aligned states will definitely watch NATO's every move.
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 October 2011 14:24)

I'm sure they will watch them and draw the lessons...

NATO, comprised of bankrupt countries.....not just hopelessly financially bankrupt but morally and spiritually bankrupt.

The sooner NATO is disbanded, the better. It has no legitimacy anymore. It has been searching around for a reason to exist after the fall of USSR, and Yugoslavia was one of it's victims. Of course there are a lot of bureaucrats, secretaries and ex army officers who will lose their jobs so they have a vested interest in trying to make it relevant. Where next one wonders. A bit like the ICTY. The gravy train needs to come to an end, and it will.

NATO you are a bunch of lying hypocrits, you people have committed murder and covered it up, you've watched other regimes you favour murder countless numbers of people and turned a blind eye. If it's someone you don't happen to like or there is something in it for you like oil perhaps then you become involved with the pretence you are protecting civilians.

One has to see pictures of the cities of Sirte and Bani Walid which were completely destroyed from Nato's bombing which takes the mask off Rasmussen's claim that it intervened in the Libyan conflict in order to “protect civilians” and this intervention caused no civilian casualties at all.

The uprising in Libya had nothing to do with people's revolution and it was a Western terrorist-led action that's been in the making for three decades, supported by key western intelligence agencies and NATO in collusion with corporate, financial and media interests.

Since the ICC is just extension of the fascist club called Nato one shouldn't expect to see the perpetrators of thousands of civilian deaths in Libya to face any charges.
(Leonidas, 29 October 2011 18:56)

Dear Leonidas, I understand your hatred for NATO, but that does not mean that just for the sake of your hapiness to see NATO fail, Ghadaffi should have remained in power to continue the slaughter of the Libyan people. Have some mercy for them and don't condemn Libyans to death for having committed the "crime" of having NATO supporting them.

Just because NATO (wrongfuly, for you) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is wrong.

Just because NATO (rightfuly, for me) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is right.

NATO is a terrorist organisation & they always have ulterior motives.

The Albanians that post here & praise NATO should be ashamed. NATO are criminals & this is a perfect example of this. Stating that they can basically do whatever they want & have a license to kill.

Going against the UNSC is clear proof that they think they are above the universal law.

I hope this disgusting terrorist organisation will crumble.
(trizo, 29 October 2011 15:36)

nato might be in some cases a criminal organization but they also need to protect their economic and politicall interests as every other country would do if they had the power of nato so it is understandable.

for us albanians nato was definitivly the best organization that ever existed specifically the leading nato countrys us and uk and we have/had neither oil nor money.they also accepted albania in 2009 as a full nato member.

so everyone schould stop blaming nato for the world problems because nato protects only its economic and politicall interests as every country in the world would do if they had the power of nato as i mentioned.

The NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.
(icj1, 29 October 2011 17:43)
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You didn't understand my point. The mass displacement of all people, not just Albanians, started *after* NATO's bombing. My point being, if more effort was put into negotiations then the mass displacement could have easily been avoided. The Rambouillet accords had two unacceptable provisions that Serbians could not accept and they were duly removed in UNSCR1244 so it seems the bombing could have been avoided.

As for the reasons of that mass displacement, NATO, Albanians and Serbians all played a role in it. However, each side spun its own propaganda.

Zoran, what you're saying has already been analyzed, explained and rejected by the courts. Just do some reading of the relevant court judgements and you'll get your explanation. The NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.
(icj1, 29 October 2011 17:43)

Analyzed by 'courts'?? These are not courts. Those were political show trials that have nothing to do with truth and justice. I guess by your standards political kangaroo courts run by NATO war criminals are real 'courts'.....lol. Only simpletons like you believe this.
Cheers!!

Rasmussen pointed out that the operation in Libya, which will end on October 31, “was a huge success, with 25,000 flights and 10,000 strikes and without confirmed victims caused by NATO”.
B92

One has to see pictures of the cities of Sirte and Bani Walid which were completely destroyed from Nato's bombing which takes the mask off Rasmussen's claim that it intervened in the Libyan conflict in order to “protect civilians” and this intervention caused no civilian casualties at all.

The uprising in Libya had nothing to do with people's revolution and it was a Western terrorist-led action that's been in the making for three decades, supported by key western intelligence agencies and NATO in collusion with corporate, financial and media interests.

Since the ICC is just extension of the fascist club called Nato one shouldn't expect to see the perpetrators of thousands of civilian deaths in Libya to face any charges.

Rasmussen told Danish daily Politiken that “there can be situations when the international community has legal bases to intervene with support of the UN Charter, without a resolution of the Security Council”.

“That would not be an ideal situation but we have seen it in Kosovo. The international community intervened there and I believe, looking at it in light of history, that everybody agrees that it was a right thing to do,” the NATO secretary general stressed.

It looks like a robber boasts how he robbed a bank and got away with it.

The sooner NATO is disbanded, the better. It has no legitimacy anymore. It has been searching around for a reason to exist after the fall of USSR, and Yugoslavia was one of it's victims. Of course there are a lot of bureaucrats, secretaries and ex army officers who will lose their jobs so they have a vested interest in trying to make it relevant. Where next one wonders. A bit like the ICTY. The gravy train needs to come to an end, and it will.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 18:16)

The train will come to an end when the NATO members decide so (for NATO) and when Russia, China and the others in the UNSC decide so (for the ICTY or the ICTR)

No icj- the majority of the displacement DID occur only after the bombing started. Some of it also due to the KLA. And please don't imply this ethnic cleansing thing again. Operation Horseshoe right? Serbia has admitted and paid for and more any crimes it may have committed, why can't you do the same. Because this hoax will collapse like a house of cards.

If Nato woulden't exist 1 million Kosovo albanians would have lived outside their homeland because of serbian repression on them during the war in 1998-99. Nato saved the Kosovo people and Kosovo is now a much more peacefull place than it was during the 90's.
(Demi, 29 October 2011 13:31)

If Nato woulden't exist

either

1)1 million Kosovo Albanians would have lived in prosperous western countries with refugee status, having much better quality of life

or

2) 1 million Kosovo albanians wouldn't have started rebellion/terrorist actions/provocations of Serbian police and lived peacefully in their homeland

No icj- the majority of the displacement DID occur only after the bombing started.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 20:54)

Sure, it also occurred after Earth’s creation. Not sure what your point is ! But, I’m glad that you are not saying that the displacement occurred *because* of NATO’s bombing.
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Some of it also due to the KLA.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 20:54)

I’m not sure about that. One thing that we are sure about, as certified in court, is that the mass displacement of 700k people occurred because of the actions of the Serbian Army and MUP.
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And please don't imply this ethnic cleansing thing again.
(Wally, 29 October 2011 20:54)

I did not imply anything dear Wally. I’m just the messenger :)

You didn't understand my point. The mass displacement of all people, not just Albanians, started *after* NATO's bombing.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

My apologies, I confused correlation with causation :) I thought you were saying that it was NATO that caused the displacement, but I see that that’s not what you were saying. Now I understand your point, but I’m not sure that it started AFTER NATO’s bombing – my evidence says otherwise. Anyway, since it does not matter (because NATO’s bombing is not the cause) why not agree on the much less controversial fact that the mass displacement of all people in Kosovo started after, say, Earth’s creation ? I think, on that, we agree, don’t we ?
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My point being, if more effort was put into negotiations then the mass displacement could have easily been avoided.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

All effort was put into negotiations but the mass displacement forced by the actions of the Serbian army could not be avoided.
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The Rambouillet accords had two unacceptable provisions that Serbians could not accept and they were duly removed in UNSCR1244 so it seems the bombing could have been avoided.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

Which were these terrible provisions ?! And the avoidance or not of the bombing is irrelevant because we just said that it was not the bombing that caused the mass displacements.
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As for the reasons of that mass displacement, NATO, Albanians and Serbians all played a role in it. However, each side spun its own propaganda.
(Zoran, 29 October 2011 20:29)

NATO, for sure, was not the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. The Serbian army and MUP, for sure, were the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. On the rest, I agree with you; it may or may not be propoganda.

Analyzed by 'courts'?? These are not courts. Those were political show trials that have nothing to do with truth and justice. I guess by your standards political kangaroo courts run by NATO war criminals are real 'courts'.....lol. Only simpletons like you believe this.
(Dragan, 29 October 2011 20:54)

Really ?! Russia, China and others in the UNSC have set up a court run by NATO war criminals ?! That's a grave accusation against Russia and China, which are the strongest Serbia's allies (at least, so we've been told in these forums) !

Dear Leonidas, I understand your hatred for NATO, but that does not mean that just for the sake of your hapiness to see NATO fail, Ghadaffi should have remained in power to continue the slaughter of the Libyan people. Have some mercy for them and don't condemn Libyans to death for having committed the "crime" of having NATO supporting them.

Just because NATO (wrongfuly, for you) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is wrong.

Just because NATO (rightfuly, for me) bombed Serbia, it does not mean that everything NATO does is right.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 02:45)
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If Gaddafi was guilty of slaughtering his own people Nato would've taken him to ICC-their own court- to account for his actions.But because they couldn't prove anything-the same goes for Milocevic after two years of tial,they've decided to lynch him and kill him.

Nato's case for bombing Libya was build on lies in exactly the same was as in Kosovo.Have you forgotten William Cohen-the US defense secretary at the time-speaking on the world's media outlets about genocide committed in Kosovo with 250000 Albanians dead ?But then again I don't expect Albanian asswipes to criticise their Western boses as long as they benefit from them.But for how long? Not for long.

Maybe you have a problem with understanding what you read because that's exactly what they said.
(Peggy, 30 October 2011 01:01)

My dear Peggy; they exactly said that they can intervene if the UNSC says nothing. They did not say they they can intervene if the UNSC says "No". There is a big difference dear Peggy, in English, at least, between "nothing" and "no". So, yes, I admit that I have have a problem with understanding "nothing" as "no" in the version of English that I understand :)

LOL!! Thanks for letting me know Mr Knowitall. Which court certified it and can I see the certificate with an "official" stamp claiming NATO are not responsible for the mass displacement in KiM? LOL!!
(Zoran, 30 October 2011 13:43)

I'm not that Mr., but you are welcome, nonetheless :).

It was the ICTY that in the case of Šainović et al. declared in the judgment, I quote, "that the NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo" because somebody from the defence (similarly to you) tried to make a case for it.

1 million Kosovo albanians wouldn't have started rebellion/terrorist actions/provocations of Serbian police and lived peacefully in their homeland
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 22:38)

1 million terrorists ?! Dude, are you saying that Serbia is insane for wasting millions of Serbia's taxpayer money for the goal of bringing 1 million terrorists back to Serbia ?! That's many times the current Serbia's prison population - where are you going to put 1 million of terrorists ? I hope you are not going to leave them free !

Do you mean NATO officials would like to disband NATO, but Russia and China protest?
(aaayyy, 30 October 2011 13:10)

I said when NATO members decide so for NATO and when Russia/China decide so for the ICTY/ICTR. So, no, my sentence does not mean what you say.

I did not say anything about Russia/China in regards to NATO; nobody in NATO would care about Russia and China for that.

But Russia and China are the decision makers (together with others in the UNSC) for the ICTY and the ICTR.

"Please explain. Only *after* NATO started bombing were people leaving KiM and as a result hundreds of thousands still remain ethnically cleansed. Yes, they are Serbian and non-Albanians but you obviously don't care about that.
Zoran"

Zoki, it looks like you're still going off of old propaganda materials. Sloba is dead, mate. There are new propaganda materials you can learn from. Get with it.

They did not say that they are going against the UNSC; so that is a clear proof that they think they are not above the unversal law.
(icj1, 29 October 2011 17:45)
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Maybe you have a problem with understanding what you read because that's exactly what they said.
NO need for UNSC permission? That's like saying a cop has every right to enter your house without a search warrant.

nato murder machine bragging again gonna thump the serb farmers again! real tough guys flying around bombing people that cant shoot back! serbs need ruskie missle base like today! ruskie fear no one! bomb us again you better stockpile body bags for brave nato flyboys but dont put them in bondsteel because it will be reduced to bondtin! real bunch of toughguys! wanna bump heads? try the ruskies!! george miletich

NATO has just lost 13 US soldiers in Afghanistan and they are about to leave with their tails between their legs. The vast majority, in fact all except Germany, is broke including the US and this Rasmussen thinks that NATO can act unilaterally????
The US blundered into Afghanistan and then overextended itself by attacking Iraq. When it was losing both wars it called in NATO for help, but it is very interesting it also asked the UNSC to pass resolutions relating to stabilizing the country and now NATO is talking about intervening without UNSC authority.
Let’s see them try that one on. Actually they should rebadged NATO and call it p… and wind.

@ Stasi ,

I completely agree with you that NATO are motivated by their own financial and political agendas - and this is the exact problem. They do not really care about "collateral damage" as they call it.

They only attack where they have a reason to do so and NOT to protect civilians.

Do you honestly think that Camp Bondsteel would be allowed on Serbian soil if NATO did not bomb the living daylights out of us in 99?

I just hope another alliance is invented and can stand up to NATO & their 'free license to kill' attitude.

Like this Rasmussen guy says (or lies) "we did no 'confirmed' casualties etc" - NATO also talk about how many drone strikes they made etc etc - they talk about this like they are playing 'counter strike' on a video game or something - it's disgusting.

They have messed up so many countries & they get away with this because no other organisation can stop them. Well I hope another alliance is made to prevent their attacks.

Down with NATO!

The train will come to an end when the NATO members decide so (for NATO) and when Russia, China and the others in the UNSC decide so (for the ICTY or the ICTR)
(icj1, 29 October 2011 22:50)

Do you mean NATO officials would like to disband NATO, but Russia and China protest?

1 million Kosovo albanians wouldn't have started rebellion/terrorist actions/provocations of Serbian police and lived peacefully in their homeland
(aaayyy, 29 October 2011 22:38)

1 million terrorists ?! Dude, are you saying that Serbia is insane for wasting millions of Serbia's taxpayer money for the goal of bringing 1 million terrorists back to Serbia ?! That's many times the current Serbia's prison population - where are you going to put 1 million of terrorists ? I hope you are not going to leave them free !
(icj1, 30 October 2011 02:27)

The KLA started terrorist actions and as Albanians themselves say almost 100% Albanians supported the KLA.

How about my previous question? If most countries recognized Kosovo by default (keeping silence), as you claim, where are those counties' embassies in Kosovo?

That is some statement. It was known already of course that that they don't need an approval of the UNSC (they just do it) but now they have come out in the open with it: it is official policy. The international order by that has officially been disturbed. A very dangerous trend. The mandate of Nato is to intervene in case of human rights abuses, organised crime, cybercrime and environmental crimes (Nato is basically doing these themselves). This mandate will be used as a pretect to go to war wherever it pleases Nato. I hope some of the members of the UNSC will address this issue in the security council.

icj-the perfect example if you tell a lie enough times, even the liar starts to believe it.

NATO, for sure, was not the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. The Serbian army and MUP, for sure, were the reason of the mass displacement, as certified in court. On the rest, I agree with you; it may or may not be propoganda.
(icj1, 30 October 2011 02:21)
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LOL!! Thanks for letting me know Mr Knowitall. Which court certified it and can I see the certificate with an "official" stamp claiming NATO are not responsible for the mass displacement in KiM? LOL!!

icj-messenger? Messenger of doom for real justice methinks.

That is some statement. It was known already of course that that they don't need an approval of the UNSC (they just do it) but now they have come out in the open with it: it is official policy. The international order by that has officially been disturbed. A very dangerous trend. The mandate of Nato is to intervene in case of human rights abuses, organised crime, cybercrime and environmental crimes (Nato is basically doing these themselves). This mandate will be used as a pretect to go to war wherever it pleases Nato. I hope some of the members of the UNSC will address this issue in the security council.
(Joe A, 30 October 2011 09:26)
Are you just as enraged at Russia's move into Georgia without UNSC mandate? By some members I am sure you are speaking of Russia specifically. Would that not be another hypocritical move?

like someone said, agreements were reached and bombing was not necessary. crimes committed on both sides, injustices for many on both sides, however the bombing campaign was not necessary but rather a provocation & intervention for more sinister objectives of western forces.

the same thing goes for Srebrenica. Agreements were almost reached, demilitarisation of areas agreed but western interference & ill guidance created a war zone.

It's disgusting what America & NATO have done to us and we will never forget this. They have created enemies for us. People who hate us. Tarnished our image in the world.

Even this islamic extremist in Sarajevo was shooting at the American embassy. He was not shooting at a Serbian orthodox or a Croatian catholic but he was shooting at the AMERICAN embassy. It is so clear that we hate you America (government) and we don't need your stupid NATO that has caused us so many problems.

One day we will unite again and take revenge on you NATO/US & crush your empire. Our history is 100 times older & richer than yours and will live 100 times longer on.

icj, and the rest of the Kalb trolls- all your posts are based on the belief that Serbia has never been bombed, embargoed, demonised in the Western press, ethnically cleansed from Croatia and Kosovo etc, etc.. It seems you feel the Serbs have not suffered enough. In the meanwhile, the Croats and the Albanians have had no punishment whatsoever for their crimes. So we have done our time, you haven't. You should be quiet and hope you get away with it, which you won't, and that is why the Croats and Kalbs are so desperate to perpetuate their lies in case they get found out and the hoax collapses. And whats this "dear" business? Weak attempt at patronising people who don't agree with you maybe.

My dear Peggy; they exactly said that they can intervene if the UNSC says nothing. They did not say they they can intervene if the UNSC says "No". There is a big difference dear Peggy, in English, at least, between "nothing" and "no". So, yes, I admit that I have have a problem with understanding "nothing" as "no" in the version of English that I understand :)
(icj1, 30 October 2011 20:15)
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I see. So when you guys claim that all those UN countries which have not recognised you but have said nothing they actually mean NO.
Finally, YOU get it.

I see. So when you guys claim that all those UN countries which have not recognised you but have said nothing they actually mean NO.
Finally, YOU get it.
(Peggy, 31 October 2011 07:07)

No, I don't get it, because I do not confuse "No" with "Nothing" in the version of English that I speak. Of course, you are free to assume that "No" means "Nothing", just don't expect others to use your assumptions.

Indeed, if somebody asks country X whether Kosovo is still part of Serbia and X says nothing, I don't want to assume that X thinks No, Kosovo is no longer part of Serbia. But, as I said, you are free to think so.

icj, and the rest of the Kalb trolls- all your posts are based on the belief that Serbia has never been bombed, embargoed, demonised in the Western press, ethnically cleansed from Croatia and Kosovo etc, etc.. It seems you feel the Serbs have not suffered enough.
(Wally, 31 October 2011 14:06)

No, I don’t believe so and I never said so. But, of course, that’s a matter of personal opinion. You are free to think that Serbia has never been bombed, embargoed, demonised in the Western press, ethnically cleansed from Croatia and Kosovo etc, etc.. or that Serbs have not suffered enough.
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In the meanwhile, the Croats and the Albanians have had no punishment whatsoever for their crimes. So we have done our time, you haven't. You should be quiet and hope you get away with it, which you won't, and that is why the Croats and Kalbs are so desperate to perpetuate their lies in case they get found out and the hoax collapses. And whats this "dear" business? Weak attempt at patronising people who don't agree with you maybe.
(Wally, 31 October 2011 14:06)

My dear Wally; I’ve not been convicted of any crime and I hope, you haven’t, too. So, I’m not sure what you are talking about. Take a deep breath, recollect your thoughts and come back and let us know what you were trying to say in relation to the topic being discussed.