No results as Serbs meet with KFOR, EULEX

I do not understand, if the KFOR and EULEX are status neutral, how can they be involved in transporting Albanian customs officers? Do they not know the definition of neutral? What is there in reality to discuss? They (KFOR/EULEX) are not Pristina's enforcers, unless those are their orders from DC/Brussels?

KFOR moving fort and back, forth and back... My feelings are there is increasing confusion and irritation among the poor soldiers and up to their general. They face ordinary people taking to the streets to protect their rights. And they become aware from international media that there is a rogue regime in Pristina - and its strongman is trying to misuse KFOR to extend his regime to North Kosovo. To get a grip on North Kosovo with his uniformed loyalists against the declared will of the overwhelming majority of citizens - a will brought forward in a most powerful, disciplined and so far peaceful manner. It is self-evident - for sure for many soldiers as well, that limitations of freedom of movement during a peaceful protest need to be balanced against the reason for the protest. The reason is that these people are threatened and provoked by the attempted deployment of personnel- of officers listening to the warlord in Pristina - to checkpoints in the North. I believe it is a clear-cut case where the right to take to the streets has priority in comparison to limitations in free movement. And more and more KFOR soldiers will become aware of this fact as well. I hope from the depth of my heart that people on the barricades remain strong and peaceful and can manage to convince KFOR that EULEX s backing the wrong horse: backing the rogue regime in Pristina.

To the Serbs of Kosovo, remember the battle cry of the defenders of Madrid in 1936...

NO PASARAN

It is interesting that KFOR was there in full capacity yet did not remove the barricades. Why didn't they? They have the power and their lords in DC and other countries are telling them to do it. So, the fact that they didn't do it is very interesting indeed. There is something important holding them back. We know from history that the US and NATO military doesn't care about civilian casualties. Recall the bombings in Belgrade? They weren't only targeting military establishments. As far as I recall, they were hitting lots of infrastructure and civilian targets that affected ordinary civilians completely uninvolved in the Milosevic regime. I hope some good and unbiased reporter finds out why they didn't act. Perhaps they will today. I'm sure Bill and Hilary Clinton, Wesley Clark, and other war criminals are pressing hard for KFOR to murder innocent civilians sitting peacefully at the barriers. In the mean time, I'd love to say how proud I am of the Serbs risking their lives to be free. Hopefully one day the world will know of their sacrifices. If ordinary Americans only knew that elements of our government were supporting a drug lord (Thaci) and urging KFOR to murder the innocent, people would be angry here. Maybe soon they'll all know. Bless you my friends at the barricades!

"Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers."

Agim Kelmendi

What are you talking about? First of all only a couple of thousand serbs live south of the Ibar and they have huge problems. In just one week you albanians have managed to kill 2 serbs. Serbs in the north have no problem with albanians living amongst them. They have problems with albanian customs who want to split serbs in Kosovo and Serbia from eachother.

I am italian and never been in Kosovo. I know 16 italian persons who have been there as soldiers of Kfor, as officials or in other different positions. None of them, I underline, none of them told me good things about albanian government and authorities. All of them told me the serbs are the victims and must be protected but this cannot be said officially.

Demi-you are the deluded one. One for one. Kosovo is technically still a part of Serbia so that isn't the case. Practically speaking clearly much of it is not though.
You say what a wonderful life the Serbs have south of the Ibar. They don't. Hundreds of their churches have been desecrated, forced sale of properties under threat of death, murder, rape. You name it, the Kalbs have done everything they can to intimidate the Serbs. Things may be improving slightly as the Kalbs realise they will not get their recognition without better treatment of the Serbs, but what you have done to them over the past ten years is far worse than anything the Serbs have done to you, ever.

Look at how brave these Serbs are at standing up to a occupying foreign force like NATO. I admire these people so much, Albanians in Kosovo wouldn't know how this feels because they don't know what brave means. To them bravery is shooting Serbs in scattered enclaves south of the Ibar where Albanians outnumber them 10 to 1.

I've said this many times, please come to North Kosovo with that noise and see what would happen to you. You need NATO to handle this one because ROSU tried and were humiliated and defeated.

Keep it up brave Serbs, no retreating in the land of Obilic!

This is Europe where apply the 'european standard' doesn't count. Tool up soldiers with riot gear and crowd control for which they are neither trained (gassing themselves with tear gas!) and you have the elements of the kind of paramilitary machine you would only get in a fascist state.

These soldiers joined up to go to war and the odd bit of peacekeeping, not ethnically cleansing non-threatening and unarmed civilians from their own homes and land and imposing the will of the unelected upon them. There is no way KFOR can justify this apart from in PR terms. Those soldiers know it is wrong and I suspect they are not willing to do this kind of dirty work for their masters and have severe doubts. If pushed, they may well revolt against their military and political masters.

As to the Serbs south of the Ibar, they are hostages. If they make a squeak, the albos will come after them. They live in fear and keep their heads down. Everyone knows what albanian attitudes are towards minorities, assimilation or extermination.

bert,

Clearly they know they are backing the wrong corrupt side. The problem is that its not the soldiers of KFOR to realise this because KFOR are just power abusing Germans with control given to them by NATO.

The alliance between EULEX and NATO is too strong with Germany France UK & US all clear on their position regarding Kosovo.

The troops of KFOR (with exception to German/American) may understand that they are using force against innocent Serbs peacefully protesting but at the end of the day the most important thing for them is that they go home with their salaries.

Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.

(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Seriously?!?!

I think the dozens of Serbian families who had homes broken into, the shooting victims, the returnees stoned, and various and numerous assault victims would disagree with you.

Agim Kelmendi

You know nothing about me or where I'm from. I'm not from Kosovo personally but my wife and her entire family is. They are from Istok and had to leave after the war ended. We went there two years ago when they were still living in tents provided by UNHCR. Their houses are now being rebuilt and two of her brothers have returned. One of her brothers was savagely beaten by an albanian one and a half years ago and still he is insisting on returning. So, no, I'm not from Kosovo but Kosovo is closer to me then you'd think. And even if I had no connection to Kosovo what so ever why wouldn't I have the right to an opinion? If America and the rest of the EU can interfear in the lives of my people in Kosovo so can I.

Go Serbs!! You should fight for Your land against hypocrite
NATO/EU.

Kfor are trying not to get their hands dirty I guess. They are just feeling the serbs to know how much force there is needed to send them back home and away from the street's. Soon the real guys( US soldiers) will show up and clean the street's.

Northern Kosovo will not go anywhere but will stay part of Kosovo. If Northern Kosovo (without N.Mitrovica) wants to seccede then Serbia should know that Preshevo Valley will seccede from Serbia. If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo.

It's one for one. Do not think you can get northern Kosovo and still keep Preshevo valley because that will not happend. One or the other will fall in the hands of Kosovo.


But I think the goverment in Prishtina got it all figure out. Their plan have started and will succed. Serbs in northern Kosovo is just playing and dead game. They have no where to go. Even Tadic&co dosen't give a damn about them and sees them as a problem for the Eu integration of Serbia.

LOL! The photo says it all. Five foot nothing scared NATO soldiers against six foot six inch Serbian brave hearts. Even the short Serbians will give those cowards a good slapping. Meanwhile, the only Albanian warriors in sight are the keyboard type.

obviously you have never been in Kosova, including your friend engelbert/g. I asked for an honest to god opinion , and not from someone that can not pinpoint Kosova on the map, I must say you cannot do it for your beloved Serbia, let alone other Balkan countries.
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 15:04)

Nice try, but even if I had never been to Kosovo I still can read the media accounts of all the crimes by Albanians committed against Serbs.

BTW, I entered your so-called country several times over the past few months via alternate routes and never saw a customs officer, police officer, or even bothered to "check in." I know that this may burst your bubble, but Serbs are not even remotely cut off from Serbia proper.

Enjoy yourself.

Thanks for you comment Alex! It is the absolute truth! "serbs" living under Pristina rule, have no quality of life or opportunity for success!

Kfor are trying not to get their hands dirty I guess. They are just feeling the serbs to know how much force there is needed to send them back home and away from the street's. Soon the real guys( US soldiers) will show up and clean the street's.

Yes Demi, soon the real guys will show up! The righful owners of Kosovo land, they are called Serbian Christians! US soldiers..don't worry about them neither!...Just like they packed their s..t and left Vietnam, Afganistan and Iraq...and you know what happens once they leave! You (Demi) and me will finally have our coffee date!..don't worry, coffee is on me!..

To Agim Kelmendi:

Stop talking s..t! serbs living under albanian rule have absolutely no rights or desire to be ruled by Pristina! The moment one of the K.albos realize that the individual amongst them is serbian, immediately his/her life would be in danger! You know over here in Canada, if someone kills/abuses a dog, he/she is immediately charged and sometimes even arrested! but not in pristina, serbs get shot...investigation into the murder of that serb-non existent! For now

Timber Wolf

Northern Kosovo will not go anywhere but will stay part of Kosovo. If Northern Kosovo (without N.Mitrovica) wants to seccede then Serbia should know that Preshevo Valley will seccede from Serbia. If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo.

Those

I can't believe it. KFOR still want to talk to serbs? You just can't talk to them damn it! Maybe it's time for ROSU to take over.
(Nexh, 22 October 2011 13:44)

I love reading comments from simpletons like this one. They think that Albanian mounted goat herders are going to put fear into the Serbs.
KFOR/ULEX/NATO and your grandmothers are not going to lift a finger against the Serbs and they will get what they want.
You really think that the west will die for Albanians? Yeah when the brown cow jumps over the moon.

(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)
Notice how the fiery commentary has run out of steam and the Albanians are now left with little to say of consequence and are trying “logic”.
Here is an honest opinion. The Serbs don’t want to live with stinking Albanians in charge that is what is wrong with the picture – get it now.

Wow, KFOR and EULEX are now meeting with these "illegal" and "parallel" institutions? All it took was a few days of Serb resistance and an undesire by soldiers to shoot at unarmed civilians. Great! Negotiate with the locals since they're the ones in charge.

Oh and MikeC and Englebert, don't mind Agim and his delusions. He's been living in New York for far too long and only knows how Serbs live south of he Ibar from reading New Kosova Report, Albeu.com and other expat media that overlooks incidents like the murder of Misko Komatina :)

Firstly @ Demi,

You say "Soon the real guys( US soldiers) will show up and clean the street's."

You were making a joke, right? Because that's pretty funny that you think the real guys are US soldiers lol. How many US soldiers put a foot down on Serbian soil during their attack on Belgrade? In case you didn't know those guys never had the balls to engage in battle face to face, man to man.

I honestly think that these Moroccan KFOR troops have more balls and more courage and inner power than the douche bag American troops who you claim to be the "real guys" lol

You say "If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo. "

Um what kind of force are you (I assume you mean K.Albs) going to use? lol. You guys don't know how to spell force let alone know what it means or posses it.

You'll never get Presevo and you'll never get Mitrovica. It's simple and Srboljub has perfectly articulated the reasons why.

Demi you are a deluded young man that will be ashamed and embarrassed if you ever think for a second that you come from an ethnicity that knows how to use force and would be so stupid to think that you could use force against Serbia.

You reap what you sow.

It is shameful, it is almost a sacrilege for Serbs to complain that Albanians commit crimes against them. After thousands of Albanians killed and raped, what did you expect, coffee and cake? Oh wait... those were fake pictures, or even better, those were Albanians killing Albanians for the benefit of the Western Media....


Ah, the evil that still exists among Serbs. I think there is no hope.
(albi, 22 October 2011 19:36)

The reasoning level of a chromangnon man. Except it is 2011.

I can't believe it. KFOR still want to talk to serbs? You just can't talk to them damn it! Maybe it's time for ROSU to take over.

RT provide some good reporting on the protests. Check [link]
(Zoran, 22 October 2011 19:50)

They sure do. I saw an excellent report on Press TV too. Its funny but it takes media outlets from Russia and Iran (of all places) to highlight what is going on, on the ground in N Kosovo to which mainstream Western media like CNN, Sky, Fox and BBC ignore.

On another subject the UK media watchdog OfCom is threatening to revoke Press TV's licence to broadcast in the UK in an attack on press freedom... from the Uk of all places

You couldnt make it up

I do not understand, if the KFOR and EULEX are status neutral, how can they be involved in transporting Albanian customs officers? Do they not know the definition of neutral? What is there in reality to discuss? They (KFOR/EULEX) are not Pristina's enforcers, unless those are their orders from DC/Brussels?
(Winston, 22 October 2011 11:22)


If handful of border police&customs officials are seen as a threat to over 50g K-Serb population, than I say there is definitely something wrong with Serb's state of mind! Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.
My question is to anyone with healthy state of mind: ' What is wrong with this picture"?

"If handful of border police&customs officials are seen as a threat to over 50g K-Serb population, than I say there is definitely something wrong with Serb's state of mind! Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.
My question is to anyone with healthy state of mind: ' What is wrong with this picture"?"
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Agim my friend,

The biggest problem regarding Kosovo is the K.Albs incapability to look at the bigger picture.

Just like you have just displayed by pondering "what is the problem?"

If only it were so black and white like the picture you Albanians paint on a daily basis because you clearly cannot consider the past and the future when negotiating about Kosovo.

The border controls/customs would only be the beginning move of an ulterior motive.

We can see the flow-on effect & consequences/implications that would follow if Pristina get their way with their governance in the north.

The Serbs south of the river don't have a problem? says you, yourself and oh.. you.

The police are not 'police' and the serbs have a huge problem south of the river. No investigations are followed up and the only time someone is found guilty of murder against a Serb is when they hand themselves in (just like this one recently did in Dobrusa).

So many Serbs have been detained at the borders by customs just for an inconvenience & to assert authority.

We don't want to live with you because as much as I know there are good Albanians in Kosovo.. it just so happens that most of you are taught to hate..us and to love..America.

PS: regarding your population estimate of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.. people with two heads were counted twice so I think the real number is much less.

what you have done to them over the past ten years is far worse than anything the Serbs have done to you, ever.
(Srboljub, 22 October 2011 13:45)

This must be the joke of the day. We cannot do to serbs in 100 years what serbs have done to us only in 2 years in 1998-99. The world knowes what serbs have done to neighbouring people during the whole 90's so it's no secret. You are not the victim if you belive so.

And you are deluded beliving that Kosovo is serbian. I don't need to comment this since majority serbs knows the real deal. Kosovo is independent recognized by the most powerful countrys of the world. The countrys wich matters and rule the world. Russia dosen't matter since it has no power.

And Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo to be an EU member. This will happend when Tadic wins the next election.

I can't believe it. KFOR still want to talk to serbs? You just can't talk to them damn it! Maybe it's time for ROSU to take over.
(Nexh, 22 October 2011 13:44)

The albanians will say it with their elite flower distribution unit that puts the dutch to shame? I doubt it.

The Kosovo police can transport themselfs if wanted Year 2000 over 13500 albanians were removed from their homes, 11 killed infront of KFOR. Now 40 - 50 thousends serbs live their and 2000 Albanians. I bet that 40 thousends or more never lived in Mitrovica. But it's ok Prishtina have a plan. Wich means that they will build thousends of homes to albanians in Mitrovica wich means albanians population will go up while serb population will go down because the serbs will feel that they are trapped.

What are you talking about? First of all only a couple of thousand serbs live south of the Ibar and they have huge problems. In just one week you albanians have managed to kill 2 serbs. Serbs in the north have no problem with albanians living amongst them. They have problems with albanian customs who want to split serbs in Kosovo and Serbia from eachother.
(MikeC, 22 October 2011 13:43)

obviously you have never been in Kosova, including your friend engelbert/g. I asked for an honest to god opinion , and not from someone that can not pinpoint Kosova on the map, I must say you cannot do it for your beloved Serbia, let alone other Balkan countries.

RT provide some good reporting on the protests. Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k93KrI03J-8

"Nice try, but even if I had never been to Kosovo I still can read the media accounts of all the crimes by Albanians committed against Serbs."

You reap what you sow.

It is shameful, it is almost a sacrilege for Serbs to complain that Albanians commit crimes against them. After thousands of Albanians killed and raped, what did you expect, coffee and cake? Oh wait... those were fake pictures, or even better, those were Albanians killing Albanians for the benefit of the Western Media....


Ah, the evil that still exists among Serbs. I think there is no hope.

I do not understand, if the KFOR and EULEX are status neutral, how can they be involved in transporting Albanian customs officers?
(Winston, 22 October 2011 11:22)

Very simple; UNMIK has decided in August of 1999 that customs taxes have to be collected at the border crossings of Kosovo, so Kosovo Customs with its Serb, Albanian, Roma and officers from other ethnicities is implementing that. What's wrong with implementing a UNMIK decision ?! What's the difficulty for understanding that ?!

No way no way.....Kosovo officers should be in northern Kosovo border forever, and once forever.....!

To the Canadan Serb:
"Yes Demi, soon the real guys will show up! The righful owners of Kosovo land, they are called Serbian Christians! US soldiers..don't worry about them neither!...Just like they packed their s..t and left Vietnam, Afganistan and Iraq...and you know what happens once they leave! You (Demi) and me will finally have our coffee date!..don't worry, coffee is on me!.."

Your comment is a perfect illustration of why Serbia will never again be able to rule Kosovo. The fact remains that Serbia is responsible for the destructive wars in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Unfortunately to this day the majority of the Serbs believe that they are the victims of conspiracy design by West and particulary USA.

Shame and Disgusting are not the words to describe the mentality of one entire nation which has caused so much pain and suffering on its neighbors. When will a nation grow up and face the truth and admit its shortcomings. Until that happens Serbia is doomed to stand still and in continous conflict with Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Montenegro.

Peace to all peace loving people!

I enjoy the fact that serbs comment on these forums about "status neutrality" envisioned under Res 1244 (Source Unknown).

Stop pretending to be experts on international legislative agreements...remember when the Serb Camp kept talking about how Kosovo's DOI would break the "international law"? No such thing.


Furthermore, although resolution 1244 is significant it is also NON-BINDING.

we albanians used women and children as human shields back in 1990-s and even in 2004 because we knew that westerners were naive people and believed in some kind of universal humanity. In reality, there is none of that kind but at the end everybody cares about their own family,clan and tribe. As we "illyrians" are better than others, only we deserve the place in Kosovo.
Yes, we knowingly sacrificed our familiy members as human shields as a tool while conducting our illegal fight against Serbs `cause we knew that westerners would blame on Serbs, and not on us - we just would pay some dirty money to their corrupt politicians and all mass-media would depict us as "victims" while we are stealing others property and expelling its rightful owners.
And we know, that the one who follows, or tries to follow, all Laws of War will never fulfil his operational and strategic goals. That is good Serbs are not like Jews - who know how to fight our friends, so called Palestinians - `cause they do not know that we albanians would never care about their civilians.

Recommendation: Kosovo’s status should be independence, supervised
by the international community
(Tristan, 23 October 2011 05:57)

Thanks for the link, a nice recommendation. If you read all the points proposed there to be implemented about human rights, religious and cultural heritage, safe return of refugees, protection zones for churches and monasteries, multi-ethnic environment, ethnic composition of KPS in Municipalities and some more you know that it doesn't reflect the reality in Kosovo nowadays at all. Heck, it's only a proposal.

pss

My anger at albanians is aimed at the ones comentating on B92. I'm tired of their self righteousness and threats. I don't hate anyone and I do know albanians suffered in the past. However, it was during a dictatorship and during war. All sides suffers in war. But, why are serbs suffering today? Today there is no war! Ever since NATO intervened serbian churches have been destroyed and serbs have been harrassed and killed. Serbs and albanians lived together at one point. Even during Milosevic. My wife told me their family never had problems with albanians until an incident were one of her brothers was attacked and almost killed. This brother continues to receive threats by the same man who attacked him. Why isn't he in jail? They arrested him but released him after a couple of months. Is that suppose to bring confidence and mutual respect? During Milosevic my wifes family at times went to albanian doctors when family members got sick. They even hitchhiked with albanians when there were no other means of transportation and vice verca. No hatered, no suspicion. Today, however, its a different story. Serbs and albanians live seperated and the misstrust is greater then ever before. And its not because serbs don't want to accept Kosovo as independent. Its because most albanians are vengeful and racist. They only like their own kind.
Only a just solution will mean better relations. Until that happens it will remain the way it is.

The problem is that its not the soldiers of KFOR to realise this because @)...KFOR are just power abusing Germans with control given to them by NATO.

The alliance between EULEX and NATO is too strong with Germany France UK & US all clear on their position regarding Kosovo...

(trizo, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Well, trizo, as far as the mentioned governments dominating NATO and EU decisions are concerned, I fully agree (you see me as a German full of shame blushing ;-) ).
As far as General Drews is concerned I am not so sure. I do not know him personally, however saw him in an interview on Russia Today. His face and his statement suggest to me that the situation he is facing - peaceful protesters, clearly highly worried ordinary citizens - irritates him and raises serious doubts in the expectations the above-mentioned governments confront him with. I am pretty sure he does not represent that kind of a German wardog all of us know enough - he does not resemble General Harff for instance... Maybe against my own background I am too optimistic.

You know nothing about me or where I'm from. I'm not from Kosovo personally but my wife and her entire family is. They are from Istok and had to leave after the war ended. We went there two years ago when they were still living in tents provided by UNHCR. Their houses are now being rebuilt and two of her brothers have returned. One of her brothers was savagely beaten by an albanian one and a half years ago and still he is insisting on returning. So, no, I'm not from Kosovo but Kosovo is closer to me then you'd think. And even if I had no connection to Kosovo what so ever why wouldn't I have the right to an opinion? If America and the rest of the EU can interfear in the lives of my people in Kosovo so can I.
(MikeC, 22 October 2011 18:28
With your bitterness and anger at all Albanians for what your family has suffered, can yu not seperate yourself from the situation and understand the bitterness and anger in ordinary Albanians for all that happened to them during the previous years? I am not condoning their actions but they justify their hatred and acts just as you justify yours. As long as you harbor your feelings and they harbor theirs there will be no future together.
You say your wifes family is from Istog, during my time in Kosovo I also met an elderly gentleman from there. He told me the story of how he was arrested twice and beaten and then dropped on the side of the road in front of his house by the Serbian police. They came a third time and he hid and then took his family and escaped on foot to the mountains and as they were fleeing they could see their house and barn burning. After NATO they returned to devastation and they also lived in tents for 3 years while "they" rebuilt their home not a gvt agency.
His heinous crime that brought all this grief to his family--He taught classes for Albanian children in his home after Milosevic ordered the Albanian schools closed.
This is where peace can be found by burying the hate. None of the political settlements is going to solve that issue. Even if everyone agreed that Kosovo were to remain in Serbia under their offer of more than autonomy less than independence, your family would be living on land totally controlled by Pristina. Regular autonomy would mean that govt, police etc would be totally independent of Serbia, Kosovo would not be able to represent them selves independently in the international setting but internally would be in charge. More than autonomy I am not sure what that means nor do I think anyone else does, but I know it would definitely mean that there would not be any military or police from Serbia inside Kosovo.
My final point is that you cannot expect the Albanians to give up their mistrust, anger, and quest for revenge, unless you yourself are willing to give up yours.

Furthermore, although resolution 1244 is significant it is also NON-BINDING.
(KOSO, 22 October 2011 21:19)

Yes, like many other UN resolutions. But keep in mind that an UN resolution has much more worth and validity than an UDI - so you must understand that Serbs in northern Kosovo simply don't feel bound by an UDI declared by some shady politicians.

"Northern Kosovo will not go anywhere but will stay part of Kosovo. If Northern Kosovo (without N.Mitrovica) wants to seccede then Serbia should know that Preshevo Valley will seccede from Serbia. If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo."
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Don't forget that Northern Kosovo (as well as Kosovo itself) is a disputed territory from the point of view of international relationship, while Preshevo Valley is considered territory of Serbia by ALL world countries.

"Kfor are trying not to get their hands dirty I guess. They are just feeling the serbs to know how much force there is needed to send them back home and away from the street's. ... But I think the goverment in Prishtina got it all figure out. Their plan have started and will succed.
(Demi, 22 October 2011 12:58)

Yes, KFOR acts more responsible than some criminals who currently play politicians in Pristina. And yes, the plan of the Pristina 'government' to detract from the real problems by creating trouble in the north and getting some ROSU police officer killed has greatly succeeded, indeed! A better plan would be to transform Kosovo into a real state, though.

@KOSO (the land theif)

I know you can't help it that you were born a K.Alb & that you were indoctrinated & misled to believe a fake recount of history & politics, but you really show that you don't know what you are talking about.

The court ruling on UDI was basically that there has never been any UDI brought to the ICJ & they haven't established a law regarding UDIs...yet.

Most countries do NOT recognise the UDI because most countries want to respect territorial integrity of states... oh except the US & Germany who have a history of invading & arrogantly laying out demands.

The ruling was non binding and will not last because soon enough America's influence will diminish & justice will then prevail.

Take Brazil for instance... a HUGE country that is growing economically with massive amounts of resources & an increasing skilled labour force.

Brazil have no threats of separatist movements & they are not our "orthodox brothers" so already there are two 'motives' that you cannot use against us when you look at what Brazil said regarding the UDI...

****The unilateral declaration of independence ignores not only the authority of the UN Security Council, but also the principle of protecting the territorial integrity of states.***

***There is no basis to justify the unilateral declaration of independence in UNSC resolution 1244 because it stipulated a solution agreed by both parties. Since such an agreement was not reached, the Kosovo dispute can be decided only by the UN Security Council.***

***Brazil, as a member of the Council, voted for the resolution 1244, and considers it important because it guaranteed the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, and it rejected the view that the authorities have the right to repression of its own people***

This is a reality check for you K.Albs who think that the world supports you... well guess what... Brazil have nearly 200 million person population... China over 1 billion, India over 1 billion and Russia owns over half the land in the world!!!

These are just some countries that don't support you. And you think that you have the most powerful countries supporting you? Who America? who can't even pay their bills? Who f**** up the world economy by selfish greedy & deceiving bankers?

You guys do not stand a chance and you should have made compromise.

Just have a think for a moment what would happen if the American & German currencies were completely devalued...

None of them, I underline, none of them told me good things about albanian "government and authorities. All of them told me the serbs are the victims and must be protected but this cannot be said officially."
(mauro, 22 October 2011 16:42)

This is nothing new, the story about the corruption and criminals in the Kosovo 'democratically elected' government is all over town. And of course KFOR is there to keep peace by protecting the Serb minority against Albanians, and not vice versa.

For all the Albs who keep talking about the ICJ ruling on the UDI... it was not a 'blessing' and it certainly did not favour anyone, it just answered the question in regards to whether or not it violated international laws & since the ICJ have no precedent to go by then they said it did not... the ICJ established in 45' have little more than 60 years dealing with international disputable issues so you should remember how old our country is and how old our history is and if you think for one minute that we will be dictated law by a court that have not even thought to make a law about UDIs then think AGAIN..and again...and AGAIN...and AGAIN etc etc etc

Our nation fights for our people and our rights and we have a much better tack record then you guys for this.

KosovO KosovO KosovO!!!

“This can be easily solved if KFOR and EULEX say that they will not transport Kosovo police and customs officers and if they take back those people from the crossings, then a space for free movement of everybody and for normal talks will be opened,” Ristić pointed out


I'm sure KFOR sill stop transporting customs officers at the border crossings as soon as UNMIK decides to reverse its decision to collect customs taxes at the Kosovo border crossings. Until then KFOR has no choice but to implement UNMIK's decisions as decided by Russia, China and the others in the Security Council. All parties need to remember that 1244 is still in force.

But a UDI with an UN IJC blessing is more important than any UN non binding resolution.
(Fluid, 23 October 2011 14:25)

Not at all, because the ICJ only ruled that an UDI doesn't violate any laws. It explicitly stated that this doesn't imply anything, especially not the statehood of Kosovo.

To the Serbs of Kosovo, remember the battle cry of the defenders of Madrid in 1936...

NO PASARAN
(Niall O'Doherty, 22 October 2011 12:53)

+1000 :)

If handful of border police&customs officials are seen as a threat to over 50g K-Serb population, than I say there is definitely something wrong with Serb's state of mind! Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.
My question is to anyone with healthy state of mind: ' What is wrong with this picture"?
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar are terrorized into silence, while it isn't so easy to terrorize into silence North Kosovo Serbs because if their border with Serbia and compact living.

The UDI did not violate international law, according to the icj, however the declaration was not represented by the interim government and was made in a personal capacity.

The ICJ made an ADVISORY ruling based on a legal QUESTION brought to their attention. It did not make a RECOMMENDATION.

Now another contradiction is that many Albanians & especially Americans believe that Kosovo & Palestine are completely different cases, right?

America has a strong stance on Kosovo (pushing independence) & also a strong stance on Palestine (blocking independence). Now it's quite funny that they can say they are TOTALLY different.. but if you want to put so much weight on the ICJ ruling of Kosovo's independence then why don't you put so much weight on the fact that 'Palestine's borders' were referenced and sited numerous times in the "advisory" ruling on the UDI????

If they are so totally different then you cannot make so many references to Palestine's border issues & independence.

It's a total contradiction by America and something that many fail to address. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If anyone actually reads the ICJ ruling on Kosovo's UDI then they will realise that it is just an advisory opinion & examples many times the ambiguity between statutes of international law & where the UDI fits in with their constitution (it basically doesn't).

Basically I can go to Kosovo and become part of the Assembly & make a declaration of unity with Serbia.

If you then filed a complaint & wanted advice from the ICJ they would just tell you that I(we) have not violated any international law. There's no difference. They would also state that because I was not officially representing the interim government then nothing has been breached within the international law or their constitution.

Again, 1244 has never stated the future status of Kosovo & therefore no laws have been broken by a lousy declaration made by some peanuts in Kosovo.

No, sir, the ICJ never said that, unless you are able to quote the paragraph from the ICJ decision where it said that. You have stated so many falsities about the ICJ decision that it makes me think that you have never read it.
---…-- icj1

"the declaration of independence of the 17th of February 2008 did not violate general international law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'."

BECAUSE INTERNATIONAL LAW CONTAINS NO PROHIBITION ON DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE!!!(i.e. they don't have a law regarding UDIs and they have never had one brought to them before- that is a fact and now I know that you are the one who hasn't read it!)

Also the UDI was issued by INDIVIDUAL members of the Assembly of Kosovo (ACTING IN PERSONAL CAPACITY and not binding to the Assembly itself) who named themselves "representatives of the people of Kosovo"..

In other words... we don't make laws to prohibit INDIVIDUAL people acting in a personal capacity... it wasn't even a government organisation in Pristina who made the declaration you dumb*a** it was a group of individuals..................

icj1 you really don't have very good comebacks and most of the time you lack substance in your arguments. I think you think you're a lot wiser & intelligent than you are.

As for Brazil I am illustrating what a country with nothing to do with Serbia & no problems of their own regarding separatist movements has to say about the UDI.... it is a rational opinion from the mankind across the other side of the planet.... I did this so primates like you would stop thinking that the fascist western europeans are the only ones that can decide social welfare & border disputes.

Oh and in case you didn't know because you obviously don't care for GEO-political perspectives.. The biggest pro-Albanian-Kosovo is America.. you guys worship America which is a part of NORTH AMERICA..and seeing as you think Brazil is so far away and their opinion doesn't matter.. in case you didn't know they are a matter of hours away from NORTH AMERICA in SOUTH AMERICA... they also have 2/3 the population of America.. so take a reality check and understand that you are a walking contradiction.

It's ok for you to worship America and believe whatever the Americans say about Kosovo but you completely shut off the opinion of Brazil? lol I'm not going to waste any more time with you. Your mouth is too big for your brain.

****"If America was not so powerful, how could f*** up the world economy ?! You are a walking contradiction my friend. Leave anger aside and put the mind in motion and see the facts. Anger confuses the thought process***icj1

It's quite simple to deceive people in business and sell subprime mortgage debt instruments as A-grade products when in fact they were destined to crash. If you do this for years and years and get away with it the bubble will burst (as it has in the past) and you bring everyone down with you... It's typical of America. Occupy Wall St mean anything to you?

And Albanians in Kosovo do not want to live with "stinking" Serbians in charge--so whats your point?
(pss, 23 October 2011 14:11)

You see even a Serb has to do the thinking for you. Hey pss, its called plagiarism; try and come up with something original next time.

Oh man, I can't remember how long it's been since Serbs have been claiming how they're going to do this and that to Nato forces and take Kosovo back.

And, yet, all they keep doing is crying and blaming others.
I thought you were tough warriors!

What happened?

There won't be any peace in Kosovo until the following UN recommendation is accepted by Serbia:

http://www.unosek.org/unosek/en/statusproposal.html

United Nations Office of the Special Envoy for Kosovo - The Comprehensive proposal for Kosovo Status Settlement

Now this was a UN document. Even with the UN, Serbia is selective. Grow up collectively for once!

Go Serbs!! You should fight for Your land against hypocrite
NATO/EU.
(Niklot, Poland, 22 October 2011 18:04) Why you dont go and get a night sleep on the road in this October month and show some "support"to your felow serbs mr.Niklotic and please dont piss them off the Nato did you saddenly forget what the did to Kadafi? and he was a very very "tough" man calling them names...and you have a right about the EU what they will gonna except when the have serbs freely walking in they door steeps and very soon later one they will be calling the whole EU land serbian CRADLE ..hmmm!samo napred serbia

mauro, 22 October 2011 16:42 ??
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maurovicu you want unity with serbia NEVER FOREVER.

Here is an honest opinion. The Serbs don’t want to live with stinking Albanians in charge that is what is wrong with the picture – get it now.
(sj, 22 October 2011 16:08)
And Albanians in Kosovo do not want to live with "stinking" Serbians in charge--so whats your point?

I'm sure KFOR sill stop transporting customs officers at the border crossings as soon as UNMIK decides to reverse its decision to collect customs taxes at the Kosovo border crossings. Until then KFOR has no choice but to implement UNMIK's decisions as decided by Russia, China and the others in the Security Council. All parties need to remember that 1244 is still in force.
(icj1, 22 October 2011 22:55)

I am sure that decision was inforced by US, while Russia and China had little choice but to follow it. Still I believe Russia and China should have used their veto power against it.


BTW icj you keep avoiding my question and use stupid retoric instead, the question is: if you or me declare our own countryside an independent state and other countries don't say anything about it, what will it mean - that they recognize it by defaulf or they don't recognize it by default?

All Serbs and their supporters, are you aware that there is no such thing as "status neutral". The UN sponsored status talks have concluded in 2006 and the status recommendation was made.

http://www.unosek.org/unosek/en/statusproposal.html
(Available in official languages of the United Nations only) : English - French - Spanish - Russian - Arabic - Chinese)

It starts with this sentence:

Report of the Special Envoy of the Secretary-General on
Kosovo’s future status

Recommendation: Kosovo’s status should be independence, supervised
by the international community

Not at all, because the ICJ only ruled that an UDI doesn't violate any laws. It explicitly stated that this doesn't imply anything, especially not the statehood of Kosovo.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 October 2011 14:49)

You guys are amazing. You continue to state your wishes as facts. There is no sentence whatsoever in the ICJ opinion to explicitly say that this "doesn't imply anything, especially not the statehood of Kosovo". I know that you wished that ICJ had stated that, but it didn't, otherwise little Vuk would have been screaming with joy after the ICJ decicion :)

Thanks for the link, a nice recommendation. If you read all the points proposed there to be implemented about human rights, religious and cultural heritage, safe return of refugees, protection zones for churches and monasteries, multi-ethnic environment, ethnic composition of KPS in Municipalities and some more you know that it doesn't reflect the reality in Kosovo nowadays at all. Heck, it's only a proposal.
(Analyst, 23 October 2011 14:57)

Absolutely, it's only a proposal which is being implemented. If it were fully implemented, by now Kosovo would be the paradise on Earth.

And that happens everywhere. Serbia's Constitution guarantees the Serbia's citizens' right to work, but there are many people in Serbia who wish to work but can't. Heck, Serbia's Constitution is also only a proposal...

MikeC, 23 October 2011 16:55)
You start out that you do not hate anyone and then you spend the rest of the post explaining why you do. I know it will not come overnight, but let me throw some things out there.
"And its not because serbs don't want to accept Kosovo as independent. Its because most albanians are vengeful and racist."
Do you not think that most Albanians feel that it is Serb's fault and that they are racist and vengeful? and believe it to the core the same as you do? Until each side starts understanding the other side, it will not change. You have a tendency to lay most of the pre NATO blame on Milosevic, but there were a tremendous amount of individual actions taken under the assurance that they would not
When you say just solution what do you mean? The Ahtisaari plan gives the most rights to the minority Serbs than any govt in the world. We both know that Kosovo will not fall to Serbia's control again at least not without much international bloodshed. It will never be a war against just Serbs and Albanians again.
It is like I said even if Kosovo were to return as a part of Serbia with "more than autonomy less than independence" your wifes family and the rest of Serbs in Kosovo would be subject to the laws originating in Pristina (without the guarantees provided by Ahtisaari) as that is what autonomy means.
Now should Albanians that attack Serbs be brought to justice, yes. Should Serbs that have attacked Albanians be brought to justice, yes.
You talk of your outrage at the Albanian extremist posters but have you not noticed that 95% of the posters here are extremist on one side or the other and do not really project the viewpoints of the mainstream?

Here is an honest opinion. The Serbs don’t want to live with stinking Albanians in charge that is what is wrong with the picture – get it now.
(sj, 22 October 2011 16:08)
And Albanians in Kosovo do not want to live with "stinking" Serbians in charge--so whats your point?
(pss, 23 October 2011 14:11)

Probably the point is that Albanian police should leave Kosovo North.

"Yes, like many other UN resolutions. But keep in mind that an UN resolution has much more worth and validity than an UDI - so you must understand that Serbs in northern Kosovo simply don't feel bound by an UDI declared by some shady politicians.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 October 2011 11:58)"

But a UDI with an UN IJC blessing is more important than any UN non binding resolution.

The court ruling on UDI was basically that there has never been any UDI brought to the ICJ & they haven't established a law regarding UDIs...yet.
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

No, sir, the ICJ never said that, unless you are able to quote the paragraph from the ICJ decision where it said that. You have stated so many falsities about the ICJ decision that it makes me think that you have never read it.
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Most countries do NOT recognise the UDI because most countries want to respect territorial integrity of states... oh except the US & Germany who have a history of invading & arrogantly laying out demands.
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Most countries have never stated that they do not recognize the UDI. Where did you get that ?!
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Take Brazil for instance... a HUGE country that is growing economically with massive amounts of resources & an increasing skilled labour force.

Brazil have no threats of separatist movements & they are not our "orthodox brothers" so already there are two 'motives' that you cannot use against us when you look at what Brazil said regarding the UDI...
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

And you believe that anybody in Europe would care what Brazil think about Kosovo’s UDI ?! Mate, don’t you understand that this was precisely the reason why Serbia lost Kosovo because ignored what Europe was saying and believed that what Latin America was saying was more important. Now, if you think that Latin America is more important than Europe, by all means continue – Kosovo is happy with that. Hopefully you also succeed to somehow move Serbia to Latin America to become a Brazil’s neighbor :)
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****The unilateral declaration of independence ignores not only the authority of the UN Security Council, but also the principle of protecting the territorial integrity of states.***

***There is no basis to justify the unilateral declaration of independence in UNSC resolution 1244 because it stipulated a solution agreed by both parties. Since such an agreement was not reached, the Kosovo dispute can be decided only by the UN Security Council.***

***Brazil, as a member of the Council, voted for the resolution 1244, and considers it important because it guaranteed the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, and it rejected the view that the authorities have the right to repression of its own people***
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Respectfully noted, but those arguments were rejected by the ICJ and don’t have any more validity that an opinion that anybody in this forum expresses.
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This is a reality check for you K.Albs who think that the world supports you... well guess what... Brazil have nearly 200 million person population... China over 1 billion, India over 1 billion and Russia owns over half the land in the world!!!
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Good for them (hopefully they have enough food to feed them). But, I’m not sure what that has to do with Kosovo and Serbia.
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These are just some countries that don't support you. And you think that you have the most powerful countries supporting you? Who America? who can't even pay their bills? Who f**** up the world economy by selfish greedy & deceiving bankers?
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If America was not so powerful, how could f*** up the world economy ?! You are a walking contradiction my friend. Leave anger aside and put the mind in motion and see the facts. Anger confuses the thought process :)
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You guys do not stand a chance and you should have made compromise.
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Well, if you stand a chance, then go ahead… You don’t have to beg for a compromise !
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Just have a think for a moment what would happen if the American & German currencies were completely devalued...
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Nothing for the ordinary American (actually their internal producers and exports will greatly benefit), but don’t tell that to the Chinese… they may have a heart attack if they heard that as they stand to lose their lifetime savings.

For all the Albs who keep talking about the ICJ ruling on the UDI... it was not a 'blessing' and it certainly did not favour anyone, it just answered the question in regards to whether or not it violated international laws
(trizo, 23 October 2011 14:54)

And what was the answer ? Certainly by saying a “Yes” or “No” (for whatever the reason) it did favor or disfavor somebody. You made me laugh when you say “just answered”. The answer is the essence of a judicial opinion. Parties in any court dispute, as soon as they receive the opinion from the court, first go to the last page to see what was the decision.

Kfor are trying not to get their hands dirty I guess. They are just feeling the serbs to know how much force there is needed to send them back home and away from the street's. Soon the real guys( US soldiers) will show up and clean the street's.

Northern Kosovo will not go anywhere but will stay part of Kosovo. If Northern Kosovo (without N.Mitrovica) wants to seccede then Serbia should know that Preshevo Valley will seccede from Serbia. If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo.

It's one for one. Do not think you can get northern Kosovo and still keep Preshevo valley because that will not happend. One or the other will fall in the hands of Kosovo.


But I think the goverment in Prishtina got it all figure out. Their plan have started and will succed. Serbs in northern Kosovo is just playing and dead game. They have no where to go. Even Tadic&co dosen't give a damn about them and sees them as a problem for the Eu integration of Serbia.

I can't believe it. KFOR still want to talk to serbs? You just can't talk to them damn it! Maybe it's time for ROSU to take over.

I do not understand, if the KFOR and EULEX are status neutral, how can they be involved in transporting Albanian customs officers? Do they not know the definition of neutral? What is there in reality to discuss? They (KFOR/EULEX) are not Pristina's enforcers, unless those are their orders from DC/Brussels?
(Winston, 22 October 2011 11:22)


If handful of border police&customs officials are seen as a threat to over 50g K-Serb population, than I say there is definitely something wrong with Serb's state of mind! Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.
My question is to anyone with healthy state of mind: ' What is wrong with this picture"?

The Kosovo police can transport themselfs if wanted Year 2000 over 13500 albanians were removed from their homes, 11 killed infront of KFOR. Now 40 - 50 thousends serbs live their and 2000 Albanians. I bet that 40 thousends or more never lived in Mitrovica. But it's ok Prishtina have a plan. Wich means that they will build thousends of homes to albanians in Mitrovica wich means albanians population will go up while serb population will go down because the serbs will feel that they are trapped.

what you have done to them over the past ten years is far worse than anything the Serbs have done to you, ever.
(Srboljub, 22 October 2011 13:45)

This must be the joke of the day. We cannot do to serbs in 100 years what serbs have done to us only in 2 years in 1998-99. The world knowes what serbs have done to neighbouring people during the whole 90's so it's no secret. You are not the victim if you belive so.

And you are deluded beliving that Kosovo is serbian. I don't need to comment this since majority serbs knows the real deal. Kosovo is independent recognized by the most powerful countrys of the world. The countrys wich matters and rule the world. Russia dosen't matter since it has no power.

And Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo to be an EU member. This will happend when Tadic wins the next election.

I do not understand, if the KFOR and EULEX are status neutral, how can they be involved in transporting Albanian customs officers? Do they not know the definition of neutral? What is there in reality to discuss? They (KFOR/EULEX) are not Pristina's enforcers, unless those are their orders from DC/Brussels?

"Nice try, but even if I had never been to Kosovo I still can read the media accounts of all the crimes by Albanians committed against Serbs."

You reap what you sow.

It is shameful, it is almost a sacrilege for Serbs to complain that Albanians commit crimes against them. After thousands of Albanians killed and raped, what did you expect, coffee and cake? Oh wait... those were fake pictures, or even better, those were Albanians killing Albanians for the benefit of the Western Media....


Ah, the evil that still exists among Serbs. I think there is no hope.

What are you talking about? First of all only a couple of thousand serbs live south of the Ibar and they have huge problems. In just one week you albanians have managed to kill 2 serbs. Serbs in the north have no problem with albanians living amongst them. They have problems with albanian customs who want to split serbs in Kosovo and Serbia from eachother.
(MikeC, 22 October 2011 13:43)

obviously you have never been in Kosova, including your friend engelbert/g. I asked for an honest to god opinion , and not from someone that can not pinpoint Kosova on the map, I must say you cannot do it for your beloved Serbia, let alone other Balkan countries.

To the Canadan Serb:
"Yes Demi, soon the real guys will show up! The righful owners of Kosovo land, they are called Serbian Christians! US soldiers..don't worry about them neither!...Just like they packed their s..t and left Vietnam, Afganistan and Iraq...and you know what happens once they leave! You (Demi) and me will finally have our coffee date!..don't worry, coffee is on me!.."

Your comment is a perfect illustration of why Serbia will never again be able to rule Kosovo. The fact remains that Serbia is responsible for the destructive wars in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Unfortunately to this day the majority of the Serbs believe that they are the victims of conspiracy design by West and particulary USA.

Shame and Disgusting are not the words to describe the mentality of one entire nation which has caused so much pain and suffering on its neighbors. When will a nation grow up and face the truth and admit its shortcomings. Until that happens Serbia is doomed to stand still and in continous conflict with Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Montenegro.

Peace to all peace loving people!

No way no way.....Kosovo officers should be in northern Kosovo border forever, and once forever.....!

KFOR moving fort and back, forth and back... My feelings are there is increasing confusion and irritation among the poor soldiers and up to their general. They face ordinary people taking to the streets to protect their rights. And they become aware from international media that there is a rogue regime in Pristina - and its strongman is trying to misuse KFOR to extend his regime to North Kosovo. To get a grip on North Kosovo with his uniformed loyalists against the declared will of the overwhelming majority of citizens - a will brought forward in a most powerful, disciplined and so far peaceful manner. It is self-evident - for sure for many soldiers as well, that limitations of freedom of movement during a peaceful protest need to be balanced against the reason for the protest. The reason is that these people are threatened and provoked by the attempted deployment of personnel- of officers listening to the warlord in Pristina - to checkpoints in the North. I believe it is a clear-cut case where the right to take to the streets has priority in comparison to limitations in free movement. And more and more KFOR soldiers will become aware of this fact as well. I hope from the depth of my heart that people on the barricades remain strong and peaceful and can manage to convince KFOR that EULEX s backing the wrong horse: backing the rogue regime in Pristina.

I do not understand, if the KFOR and EULEX are status neutral, how can they be involved in transporting Albanian customs officers?
(Winston, 22 October 2011 11:22)

Very simple; UNMIK has decided in August of 1999 that customs taxes have to be collected at the border crossings of Kosovo, so Kosovo Customs with its Serb, Albanian, Roma and officers from other ethnicities is implementing that. What's wrong with implementing a UNMIK decision ?! What's the difficulty for understanding that ?!

I enjoy the fact that serbs comment on these forums about "status neutrality" envisioned under Res 1244 (Source Unknown).

Stop pretending to be experts on international legislative agreements...remember when the Serb Camp kept talking about how Kosovo's DOI would break the "international law"? No such thing.


Furthermore, although resolution 1244 is significant it is also NON-BINDING.

Demi-you are the deluded one. One for one. Kosovo is technically still a part of Serbia so that isn't the case. Practically speaking clearly much of it is not though.
You say what a wonderful life the Serbs have south of the Ibar. They don't. Hundreds of their churches have been desecrated, forced sale of properties under threat of death, murder, rape. You name it, the Kalbs have done everything they can to intimidate the Serbs. Things may be improving slightly as the Kalbs realise they will not get their recognition without better treatment of the Serbs, but what you have done to them over the past ten years is far worse than anything the Serbs have done to you, ever.

“This can be easily solved if KFOR and EULEX say that they will not transport Kosovo police and customs officers and if they take back those people from the crossings, then a space for free movement of everybody and for normal talks will be opened,” Ristić pointed out


I'm sure KFOR sill stop transporting customs officers at the border crossings as soon as UNMIK decides to reverse its decision to collect customs taxes at the Kosovo border crossings. Until then KFOR has no choice but to implement UNMIK's decisions as decided by Russia, China and the others in the Security Council. All parties need to remember that 1244 is still in force.

Thanks for you comment Alex! It is the absolute truth! "serbs" living under Pristina rule, have no quality of life or opportunity for success!

Kfor are trying not to get their hands dirty I guess. They are just feeling the serbs to know how much force there is needed to send them back home and away from the street's. Soon the real guys( US soldiers) will show up and clean the street's.

Yes Demi, soon the real guys will show up! The righful owners of Kosovo land, they are called Serbian Christians! US soldiers..don't worry about them neither!...Just like they packed their s..t and left Vietnam, Afganistan and Iraq...and you know what happens once they leave! You (Demi) and me will finally have our coffee date!..don't worry, coffee is on me!..

To Agim Kelmendi:

Stop talking s..t! serbs living under albanian rule have absolutely no rights or desire to be ruled by Pristina! The moment one of the K.albos realize that the individual amongst them is serbian, immediately his/her life would be in danger! You know over here in Canada, if someone kills/abuses a dog, he/she is immediately charged and sometimes even arrested! but not in pristina, serbs get shot...investigation into the murder of that serb-non existent! For now

Timber Wolf

Northern Kosovo will not go anywhere but will stay part of Kosovo. If Northern Kosovo (without N.Mitrovica) wants to seccede then Serbia should know that Preshevo Valley will seccede from Serbia. If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo.

Those

It is interesting that KFOR was there in full capacity yet did not remove the barricades. Why didn't they? They have the power and their lords in DC and other countries are telling them to do it. So, the fact that they didn't do it is very interesting indeed. There is something important holding them back. We know from history that the US and NATO military doesn't care about civilian casualties. Recall the bombings in Belgrade? They weren't only targeting military establishments. As far as I recall, they were hitting lots of infrastructure and civilian targets that affected ordinary civilians completely uninvolved in the Milosevic regime. I hope some good and unbiased reporter finds out why they didn't act. Perhaps they will today. I'm sure Bill and Hilary Clinton, Wesley Clark, and other war criminals are pressing hard for KFOR to murder innocent civilians sitting peacefully at the barriers. In the mean time, I'd love to say how proud I am of the Serbs risking their lives to be free. Hopefully one day the world will know of their sacrifices. If ordinary Americans only knew that elements of our government were supporting a drug lord (Thaci) and urging KFOR to murder the innocent, people would be angry here. Maybe soon they'll all know. Bless you my friends at the barricades!

bert,

Clearly they know they are backing the wrong corrupt side. The problem is that its not the soldiers of KFOR to realise this because KFOR are just power abusing Germans with control given to them by NATO.

The alliance between EULEX and NATO is too strong with Germany France UK & US all clear on their position regarding Kosovo.

The troops of KFOR (with exception to German/American) may understand that they are using force against innocent Serbs peacefully protesting but at the end of the day the most important thing for them is that they go home with their salaries.

Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.

(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Seriously?!?!

I think the dozens of Serbian families who had homes broken into, the shooting victims, the returnees stoned, and various and numerous assault victims would disagree with you.

I am italian and never been in Kosovo. I know 16 italian persons who have been there as soldiers of Kfor, as officials or in other different positions. None of them, I underline, none of them told me good things about albanian government and authorities. All of them told me the serbs are the victims and must be protected but this cannot be said officially.

To the Serbs of Kosovo, remember the battle cry of the defenders of Madrid in 1936...

NO PASARAN

This is Europe where apply the 'european standard' doesn't count. Tool up soldiers with riot gear and crowd control for which they are neither trained (gassing themselves with tear gas!) and you have the elements of the kind of paramilitary machine you would only get in a fascist state.

These soldiers joined up to go to war and the odd bit of peacekeeping, not ethnically cleansing non-threatening and unarmed civilians from their own homes and land and imposing the will of the unelected upon them. There is no way KFOR can justify this apart from in PR terms. Those soldiers know it is wrong and I suspect they are not willing to do this kind of dirty work for their masters and have severe doubts. If pushed, they may well revolt against their military and political masters.

As to the Serbs south of the Ibar, they are hostages. If they make a squeak, the albos will come after them. They live in fear and keep their heads down. Everyone knows what albanian attitudes are towards minorities, assimilation or extermination.

LOL! The photo says it all. Five foot nothing scared NATO soldiers against six foot six inch Serbian brave hearts. Even the short Serbians will give those cowards a good slapping. Meanwhile, the only Albanian warriors in sight are the keyboard type.

The problem is that its not the soldiers of KFOR to realise this because @)...KFOR are just power abusing Germans with control given to them by NATO.

The alliance between EULEX and NATO is too strong with Germany France UK & US all clear on their position regarding Kosovo...

(trizo, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Well, trizo, as far as the mentioned governments dominating NATO and EU decisions are concerned, I fully agree (you see me as a German full of shame blushing ;-) ).
As far as General Drews is concerned I am not so sure. I do not know him personally, however saw him in an interview on Russia Today. His face and his statement suggest to me that the situation he is facing - peaceful protesters, clearly highly worried ordinary citizens - irritates him and raises serious doubts in the expectations the above-mentioned governments confront him with. I am pretty sure he does not represent that kind of a German wardog all of us know enough - he does not resemble General Harff for instance... Maybe against my own background I am too optimistic.

mauro, 22 October 2011 16:42 ??
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maurovicu you want unity with serbia NEVER FOREVER.

"Yes, like many other UN resolutions. But keep in mind that an UN resolution has much more worth and validity than an UDI - so you must understand that Serbs in northern Kosovo simply don't feel bound by an UDI declared by some shady politicians.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 October 2011 11:58)"

But a UDI with an UN IJC blessing is more important than any UN non binding resolution.

Look at how brave these Serbs are at standing up to a occupying foreign force like NATO. I admire these people so much, Albanians in Kosovo wouldn't know how this feels because they don't know what brave means. To them bravery is shooting Serbs in scattered enclaves south of the Ibar where Albanians outnumber them 10 to 1.

I've said this many times, please come to North Kosovo with that noise and see what would happen to you. You need NATO to handle this one because ROSU tried and were humiliated and defeated.

Keep it up brave Serbs, no retreating in the land of Obilic!

"Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers."

Agim Kelmendi

What are you talking about? First of all only a couple of thousand serbs live south of the Ibar and they have huge problems. In just one week you albanians have managed to kill 2 serbs. Serbs in the north have no problem with albanians living amongst them. They have problems with albanian customs who want to split serbs in Kosovo and Serbia from eachother.

Firstly @ Demi,

You say "Soon the real guys( US soldiers) will show up and clean the street's."

You were making a joke, right? Because that's pretty funny that you think the real guys are US soldiers lol. How many US soldiers put a foot down on Serbian soil during their attack on Belgrade? In case you didn't know those guys never had the balls to engage in battle face to face, man to man.

I honestly think that these Moroccan KFOR troops have more balls and more courage and inner power than the douche bag American troops who you claim to be the "real guys" lol

You say "If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo. "

Um what kind of force are you (I assume you mean K.Albs) going to use? lol. You guys don't know how to spell force let alone know what it means or posses it.

You'll never get Presevo and you'll never get Mitrovica. It's simple and Srboljub has perfectly articulated the reasons why.

Demi you are a deluded young man that will be ashamed and embarrassed if you ever think for a second that you come from an ethnicity that knows how to use force and would be so stupid to think that you could use force against Serbia.

obviously you have never been in Kosova, including your friend engelbert/g. I asked for an honest to god opinion , and not from someone that can not pinpoint Kosova on the map, I must say you cannot do it for your beloved Serbia, let alone other Balkan countries.
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 15:04)

Nice try, but even if I had never been to Kosovo I still can read the media accounts of all the crimes by Albanians committed against Serbs.

BTW, I entered your so-called country several times over the past few months via alternate routes and never saw a customs officer, police officer, or even bothered to "check in." I know that this may burst your bubble, but Serbs are not even remotely cut off from Serbia proper.

Enjoy yourself.

I can't believe it. KFOR still want to talk to serbs? You just can't talk to them damn it! Maybe it's time for ROSU to take over.
(Nexh, 22 October 2011 13:44)

I love reading comments from simpletons like this one. They think that Albanian mounted goat herders are going to put fear into the Serbs.
KFOR/ULEX/NATO and your grandmothers are not going to lift a finger against the Serbs and they will get what they want.
You really think that the west will die for Albanians? Yeah when the brown cow jumps over the moon.

(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)
Notice how the fiery commentary has run out of steam and the Albanians are now left with little to say of consequence and are trying “logic”.
Here is an honest opinion. The Serbs don’t want to live with stinking Albanians in charge that is what is wrong with the picture – get it now.

"If handful of border police&customs officials are seen as a threat to over 50g K-Serb population, than I say there is definitely something wrong with Serb's state of mind! Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.
My question is to anyone with healthy state of mind: ' What is wrong with this picture"?"
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Agim my friend,

The biggest problem regarding Kosovo is the K.Albs incapability to look at the bigger picture.

Just like you have just displayed by pondering "what is the problem?"

If only it were so black and white like the picture you Albanians paint on a daily basis because you clearly cannot consider the past and the future when negotiating about Kosovo.

The border controls/customs would only be the beginning move of an ulterior motive.

We can see the flow-on effect & consequences/implications that would follow if Pristina get their way with their governance in the north.

The Serbs south of the river don't have a problem? says you, yourself and oh.. you.

The police are not 'police' and the serbs have a huge problem south of the river. No investigations are followed up and the only time someone is found guilty of murder against a Serb is when they hand themselves in (just like this one recently did in Dobrusa).

So many Serbs have been detained at the borders by customs just for an inconvenience & to assert authority.

We don't want to live with you because as much as I know there are good Albanians in Kosovo.. it just so happens that most of you are taught to hate..us and to love..America.

PS: regarding your population estimate of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.. people with two heads were counted twice so I think the real number is much less.

Agim Kelmendi

You know nothing about me or where I'm from. I'm not from Kosovo personally but my wife and her entire family is. They are from Istok and had to leave after the war ended. We went there two years ago when they were still living in tents provided by UNHCR. Their houses are now being rebuilt and two of her brothers have returned. One of her brothers was savagely beaten by an albanian one and a half years ago and still he is insisting on returning. So, no, I'm not from Kosovo but Kosovo is closer to me then you'd think. And even if I had no connection to Kosovo what so ever why wouldn't I have the right to an opinion? If America and the rest of the EU can interfear in the lives of my people in Kosovo so can I.

RT provide some good reporting on the protests. Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k93KrI03J-8

Go Serbs!! You should fight for Your land against hypocrite
NATO/EU.

RT provide some good reporting on the protests. Check [link]
(Zoran, 22 October 2011 19:50)

They sure do. I saw an excellent report on Press TV too. Its funny but it takes media outlets from Russia and Iran (of all places) to highlight what is going on, on the ground in N Kosovo to which mainstream Western media like CNN, Sky, Fox and BBC ignore.

On another subject the UK media watchdog OfCom is threatening to revoke Press TV's licence to broadcast in the UK in an attack on press freedom... from the Uk of all places

You couldnt make it up

All Serbs and their supporters, are you aware that there is no such thing as "status neutral". The UN sponsored status talks have concluded in 2006 and the status recommendation was made.

http://www.unosek.org/unosek/en/statusproposal.html
(Available in official languages of the United Nations only) : English - French - Spanish - Russian - Arabic - Chinese)

It starts with this sentence:

Report of the Special Envoy of the Secretary-General on
Kosovo’s future status

Recommendation: Kosovo’s status should be independence, supervised
by the international community

Here is an honest opinion. The Serbs don’t want to live with stinking Albanians in charge that is what is wrong with the picture – get it now.
(sj, 22 October 2011 16:08)
And Albanians in Kosovo do not want to live with "stinking" Serbians in charge--so whats your point?

You reap what you sow.

It is shameful, it is almost a sacrilege for Serbs to complain that Albanians commit crimes against them. After thousands of Albanians killed and raped, what did you expect, coffee and cake? Oh wait... those were fake pictures, or even better, those were Albanians killing Albanians for the benefit of the Western Media....


Ah, the evil that still exists among Serbs. I think there is no hope.
(albi, 22 October 2011 19:36)

The reasoning level of a chromangnon man. Except it is 2011.

Oh man, I can't remember how long it's been since Serbs have been claiming how they're going to do this and that to Nato forces and take Kosovo back.

And, yet, all they keep doing is crying and blaming others.
I thought you were tough warriors!

What happened?

There won't be any peace in Kosovo until the following UN recommendation is accepted by Serbia:

http://www.unosek.org/unosek/en/statusproposal.html

United Nations Office of the Special Envoy for Kosovo - The Comprehensive proposal for Kosovo Status Settlement

Now this was a UN document. Even with the UN, Serbia is selective. Grow up collectively for once!

Go Serbs!! You should fight for Your land against hypocrite
NATO/EU.
(Niklot, Poland, 22 October 2011 18:04) Why you dont go and get a night sleep on the road in this October month and show some "support"to your felow serbs mr.Niklotic and please dont piss them off the Nato did you saddenly forget what the did to Kadafi? and he was a very very "tough" man calling them names...and you have a right about the EU what they will gonna except when the have serbs freely walking in they door steeps and very soon later one they will be calling the whole EU land serbian CRADLE ..hmmm!samo napred serbia

You know nothing about me or where I'm from. I'm not from Kosovo personally but my wife and her entire family is. They are from Istok and had to leave after the war ended. We went there two years ago when they were still living in tents provided by UNHCR. Their houses are now being rebuilt and two of her brothers have returned. One of her brothers was savagely beaten by an albanian one and a half years ago and still he is insisting on returning. So, no, I'm not from Kosovo but Kosovo is closer to me then you'd think. And even if I had no connection to Kosovo what so ever why wouldn't I have the right to an opinion? If America and the rest of the EU can interfear in the lives of my people in Kosovo so can I.
(MikeC, 22 October 2011 18:28
With your bitterness and anger at all Albanians for what your family has suffered, can yu not seperate yourself from the situation and understand the bitterness and anger in ordinary Albanians for all that happened to them during the previous years? I am not condoning their actions but they justify their hatred and acts just as you justify yours. As long as you harbor your feelings and they harbor theirs there will be no future together.
You say your wifes family is from Istog, during my time in Kosovo I also met an elderly gentleman from there. He told me the story of how he was arrested twice and beaten and then dropped on the side of the road in front of his house by the Serbian police. They came a third time and he hid and then took his family and escaped on foot to the mountains and as they were fleeing they could see their house and barn burning. After NATO they returned to devastation and they also lived in tents for 3 years while "they" rebuilt their home not a gvt agency.
His heinous crime that brought all this grief to his family--He taught classes for Albanian children in his home after Milosevic ordered the Albanian schools closed.
This is where peace can be found by burying the hate. None of the political settlements is going to solve that issue. Even if everyone agreed that Kosovo were to remain in Serbia under their offer of more than autonomy less than independence, your family would be living on land totally controlled by Pristina. Regular autonomy would mean that govt, police etc would be totally independent of Serbia, Kosovo would not be able to represent them selves independently in the international setting but internally would be in charge. More than autonomy I am not sure what that means nor do I think anyone else does, but I know it would definitely mean that there would not be any military or police from Serbia inside Kosovo.
My final point is that you cannot expect the Albanians to give up their mistrust, anger, and quest for revenge, unless you yourself are willing to give up yours.

Not at all, because the ICJ only ruled that an UDI doesn't violate any laws. It explicitly stated that this doesn't imply anything, especially not the statehood of Kosovo.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 October 2011 14:49)

You guys are amazing. You continue to state your wishes as facts. There is no sentence whatsoever in the ICJ opinion to explicitly say that this "doesn't imply anything, especially not the statehood of Kosovo". I know that you wished that ICJ had stated that, but it didn't, otherwise little Vuk would have been screaming with joy after the ICJ decicion :)

Wow, KFOR and EULEX are now meeting with these "illegal" and "parallel" institutions? All it took was a few days of Serb resistance and an undesire by soldiers to shoot at unarmed civilians. Great! Negotiate with the locals since they're the ones in charge.

Oh and MikeC and Englebert, don't mind Agim and his delusions. He's been living in New York for far too long and only knows how Serbs live south of he Ibar from reading New Kosova Report, Albeu.com and other expat media that overlooks incidents like the murder of Misko Komatina :)

I can't believe it. KFOR still want to talk to serbs? You just can't talk to them damn it! Maybe it's time for ROSU to take over.
(Nexh, 22 October 2011 13:44)

The albanians will say it with their elite flower distribution unit that puts the dutch to shame? I doubt it.

But a UDI with an UN IJC blessing is more important than any UN non binding resolution.
(Fluid, 23 October 2011 14:25)

Not at all, because the ICJ only ruled that an UDI doesn't violate any laws. It explicitly stated that this doesn't imply anything, especially not the statehood of Kosovo.

Recommendation: Kosovo’s status should be independence, supervised
by the international community
(Tristan, 23 October 2011 05:57)

Thanks for the link, a nice recommendation. If you read all the points proposed there to be implemented about human rights, religious and cultural heritage, safe return of refugees, protection zones for churches and monasteries, multi-ethnic environment, ethnic composition of KPS in Municipalities and some more you know that it doesn't reflect the reality in Kosovo nowadays at all. Heck, it's only a proposal.

The court ruling on UDI was basically that there has never been any UDI brought to the ICJ & they haven't established a law regarding UDIs...yet.
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

No, sir, the ICJ never said that, unless you are able to quote the paragraph from the ICJ decision where it said that. You have stated so many falsities about the ICJ decision that it makes me think that you have never read it.
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Most countries do NOT recognise the UDI because most countries want to respect territorial integrity of states... oh except the US & Germany who have a history of invading & arrogantly laying out demands.
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Most countries have never stated that they do not recognize the UDI. Where did you get that ?!
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Take Brazil for instance... a HUGE country that is growing economically with massive amounts of resources & an increasing skilled labour force.

Brazil have no threats of separatist movements & they are not our "orthodox brothers" so already there are two 'motives' that you cannot use against us when you look at what Brazil said regarding the UDI...
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

And you believe that anybody in Europe would care what Brazil think about Kosovo’s UDI ?! Mate, don’t you understand that this was precisely the reason why Serbia lost Kosovo because ignored what Europe was saying and believed that what Latin America was saying was more important. Now, if you think that Latin America is more important than Europe, by all means continue – Kosovo is happy with that. Hopefully you also succeed to somehow move Serbia to Latin America to become a Brazil’s neighbor :)
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****The unilateral declaration of independence ignores not only the authority of the UN Security Council, but also the principle of protecting the territorial integrity of states.***

***There is no basis to justify the unilateral declaration of independence in UNSC resolution 1244 because it stipulated a solution agreed by both parties. Since such an agreement was not reached, the Kosovo dispute can be decided only by the UN Security Council.***

***Brazil, as a member of the Council, voted for the resolution 1244, and considers it important because it guaranteed the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, and it rejected the view that the authorities have the right to repression of its own people***
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Respectfully noted, but those arguments were rejected by the ICJ and don’t have any more validity that an opinion that anybody in this forum expresses.
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This is a reality check for you K.Albs who think that the world supports you... well guess what... Brazil have nearly 200 million person population... China over 1 billion, India over 1 billion and Russia owns over half the land in the world!!!
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Good for them (hopefully they have enough food to feed them). But, I’m not sure what that has to do with Kosovo and Serbia.
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These are just some countries that don't support you. And you think that you have the most powerful countries supporting you? Who America? who can't even pay their bills? Who f**** up the world economy by selfish greedy & deceiving bankers?
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If America was not so powerful, how could f*** up the world economy ?! You are a walking contradiction my friend. Leave anger aside and put the mind in motion and see the facts. Anger confuses the thought process :)
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You guys do not stand a chance and you should have made compromise.
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Well, if you stand a chance, then go ahead… You don’t have to beg for a compromise !
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Just have a think for a moment what would happen if the American & German currencies were completely devalued...
(trizo, 23 October 2011 13:41)

Nothing for the ordinary American (actually their internal producers and exports will greatly benefit), but don’t tell that to the Chinese… they may have a heart attack if they heard that as they stand to lose their lifetime savings.

we albanians used women and children as human shields back in 1990-s and even in 2004 because we knew that westerners were naive people and believed in some kind of universal humanity. In reality, there is none of that kind but at the end everybody cares about their own family,clan and tribe. As we "illyrians" are better than others, only we deserve the place in Kosovo.
Yes, we knowingly sacrificed our familiy members as human shields as a tool while conducting our illegal fight against Serbs `cause we knew that westerners would blame on Serbs, and not on us - we just would pay some dirty money to their corrupt politicians and all mass-media would depict us as "victims" while we are stealing others property and expelling its rightful owners.
And we know, that the one who follows, or tries to follow, all Laws of War will never fulfil his operational and strategic goals. That is good Serbs are not like Jews - who know how to fight our friends, so called Palestinians - `cause they do not know that we albanians would never care about their civilians.

For all the Albs who keep talking about the ICJ ruling on the UDI... it was not a 'blessing' and it certainly did not favour anyone, it just answered the question in regards to whether or not it violated international laws
(trizo, 23 October 2011 14:54)

And what was the answer ? Certainly by saying a “Yes” or “No” (for whatever the reason) it did favor or disfavor somebody. You made me laugh when you say “just answered”. The answer is the essence of a judicial opinion. Parties in any court dispute, as soon as they receive the opinion from the court, first go to the last page to see what was the decision.

Thanks for the link, a nice recommendation. If you read all the points proposed there to be implemented about human rights, religious and cultural heritage, safe return of refugees, protection zones for churches and monasteries, multi-ethnic environment, ethnic composition of KPS in Municipalities and some more you know that it doesn't reflect the reality in Kosovo nowadays at all. Heck, it's only a proposal.
(Analyst, 23 October 2011 14:57)

Absolutely, it's only a proposal which is being implemented. If it were fully implemented, by now Kosovo would be the paradise on Earth.

And that happens everywhere. Serbia's Constitution guarantees the Serbia's citizens' right to work, but there are many people in Serbia who wish to work but can't. Heck, Serbia's Constitution is also only a proposal...

"Kfor are trying not to get their hands dirty I guess. They are just feeling the serbs to know how much force there is needed to send them back home and away from the street's. ... But I think the goverment in Prishtina got it all figure out. Their plan have started and will succed.
(Demi, 22 October 2011 12:58)

Yes, KFOR acts more responsible than some criminals who currently play politicians in Pristina. And yes, the plan of the Pristina 'government' to detract from the real problems by creating trouble in the north and getting some ROSU police officer killed has greatly succeeded, indeed! A better plan would be to transform Kosovo into a real state, though.

@KOSO (the land theif)

I know you can't help it that you were born a K.Alb & that you were indoctrinated & misled to believe a fake recount of history & politics, but you really show that you don't know what you are talking about.

The court ruling on UDI was basically that there has never been any UDI brought to the ICJ & they haven't established a law regarding UDIs...yet.

Most countries do NOT recognise the UDI because most countries want to respect territorial integrity of states... oh except the US & Germany who have a history of invading & arrogantly laying out demands.

The ruling was non binding and will not last because soon enough America's influence will diminish & justice will then prevail.

Take Brazil for instance... a HUGE country that is growing economically with massive amounts of resources & an increasing skilled labour force.

Brazil have no threats of separatist movements & they are not our "orthodox brothers" so already there are two 'motives' that you cannot use against us when you look at what Brazil said regarding the UDI...

****The unilateral declaration of independence ignores not only the authority of the UN Security Council, but also the principle of protecting the territorial integrity of states.***

***There is no basis to justify the unilateral declaration of independence in UNSC resolution 1244 because it stipulated a solution agreed by both parties. Since such an agreement was not reached, the Kosovo dispute can be decided only by the UN Security Council.***

***Brazil, as a member of the Council, voted for the resolution 1244, and considers it important because it guaranteed the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, and it rejected the view that the authorities have the right to repression of its own people***

This is a reality check for you K.Albs who think that the world supports you... well guess what... Brazil have nearly 200 million person population... China over 1 billion, India over 1 billion and Russia owns over half the land in the world!!!

These are just some countries that don't support you. And you think that you have the most powerful countries supporting you? Who America? who can't even pay their bills? Who f**** up the world economy by selfish greedy & deceiving bankers?

You guys do not stand a chance and you should have made compromise.

Just have a think for a moment what would happen if the American & German currencies were completely devalued...

For all the Albs who keep talking about the ICJ ruling on the UDI... it was not a 'blessing' and it certainly did not favour anyone, it just answered the question in regards to whether or not it violated international laws & since the ICJ have no precedent to go by then they said it did not... the ICJ established in 45' have little more than 60 years dealing with international disputable issues so you should remember how old our country is and how old our history is and if you think for one minute that we will be dictated law by a court that have not even thought to make a law about UDIs then think AGAIN..and again...and AGAIN...and AGAIN etc etc etc

Our nation fights for our people and our rights and we have a much better tack record then you guys for this.

KosovO KosovO KosovO!!!

pss

My anger at albanians is aimed at the ones comentating on B92. I'm tired of their self righteousness and threats. I don't hate anyone and I do know albanians suffered in the past. However, it was during a dictatorship and during war. All sides suffers in war. But, why are serbs suffering today? Today there is no war! Ever since NATO intervened serbian churches have been destroyed and serbs have been harrassed and killed. Serbs and albanians lived together at one point. Even during Milosevic. My wife told me their family never had problems with albanians until an incident were one of her brothers was attacked and almost killed. This brother continues to receive threats by the same man who attacked him. Why isn't he in jail? They arrested him but released him after a couple of months. Is that suppose to bring confidence and mutual respect? During Milosevic my wifes family at times went to albanian doctors when family members got sick. They even hitchhiked with albanians when there were no other means of transportation and vice verca. No hatered, no suspicion. Today, however, its a different story. Serbs and albanians live seperated and the misstrust is greater then ever before. And its not because serbs don't want to accept Kosovo as independent. Its because most albanians are vengeful and racist. They only like their own kind.
Only a just solution will mean better relations. Until that happens it will remain the way it is.

MikeC, 23 October 2011 16:55)
You start out that you do not hate anyone and then you spend the rest of the post explaining why you do. I know it will not come overnight, but let me throw some things out there.
"And its not because serbs don't want to accept Kosovo as independent. Its because most albanians are vengeful and racist."
Do you not think that most Albanians feel that it is Serb's fault and that they are racist and vengeful? and believe it to the core the same as you do? Until each side starts understanding the other side, it will not change. You have a tendency to lay most of the pre NATO blame on Milosevic, but there were a tremendous amount of individual actions taken under the assurance that they would not
When you say just solution what do you mean? The Ahtisaari plan gives the most rights to the minority Serbs than any govt in the world. We both know that Kosovo will not fall to Serbia's control again at least not without much international bloodshed. It will never be a war against just Serbs and Albanians again.
It is like I said even if Kosovo were to return as a part of Serbia with "more than autonomy less than independence" your wifes family and the rest of Serbs in Kosovo would be subject to the laws originating in Pristina (without the guarantees provided by Ahtisaari) as that is what autonomy means.
Now should Albanians that attack Serbs be brought to justice, yes. Should Serbs that have attacked Albanians be brought to justice, yes.
You talk of your outrage at the Albanian extremist posters but have you not noticed that 95% of the posters here are extremist on one side or the other and do not really project the viewpoints of the mainstream?

None of them, I underline, none of them told me good things about albanian "government and authorities. All of them told me the serbs are the victims and must be protected but this cannot be said officially."
(mauro, 22 October 2011 16:42)

This is nothing new, the story about the corruption and criminals in the Kosovo 'democratically elected' government is all over town. And of course KFOR is there to keep peace by protecting the Serb minority against Albanians, and not vice versa.

Furthermore, although resolution 1244 is significant it is also NON-BINDING.
(KOSO, 22 October 2011 21:19)

Yes, like many other UN resolutions. But keep in mind that an UN resolution has much more worth and validity than an UDI - so you must understand that Serbs in northern Kosovo simply don't feel bound by an UDI declared by some shady politicians.

To the Serbs of Kosovo, remember the battle cry of the defenders of Madrid in 1936...

NO PASARAN
(Niall O'Doherty, 22 October 2011 12:53)

+1000 :)

"Northern Kosovo will not go anywhere but will stay part of Kosovo. If Northern Kosovo (without N.Mitrovica) wants to seccede then Serbia should know that Preshevo Valley will seccede from Serbia. If Serbia uses force to keep Preshevo Valley then we will use force to keep Northern Kosovo."
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Don't forget that Northern Kosovo (as well as Kosovo itself) is a disputed territory from the point of view of international relationship, while Preshevo Valley is considered territory of Serbia by ALL world countries.

If handful of border police&customs officials are seen as a threat to over 50g K-Serb population, than I say there is definitely something wrong with Serb's state of mind! Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar have no problem in midst of 1.8 mil K-Albanians, including thousands of police officers and KSF soldiers.
My question is to anyone with healthy state of mind: ' What is wrong with this picture"?
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 October 2011 13:15)

Over 100 G K-Serbs living south of Ibar are terrorized into silence, while it isn't so easy to terrorize into silence North Kosovo Serbs because if their border with Serbia and compact living.

I'm sure KFOR sill stop transporting customs officers at the border crossings as soon as UNMIK decides to reverse its decision to collect customs taxes at the Kosovo border crossings. Until then KFOR has no choice but to implement UNMIK's decisions as decided by Russia, China and the others in the Security Council. All parties need to remember that 1244 is still in force.
(icj1, 22 October 2011 22:55)

I am sure that decision was inforced by US, while Russia and China had little choice but to follow it. Still I believe Russia and China should have used their veto power against it.


BTW icj you keep avoiding my question and use stupid retoric instead, the question is: if you or me declare our own countryside an independent state and other countries don't say anything about it, what will it mean - that they recognize it by defaulf or they don't recognize it by default?

Here is an honest opinion. The Serbs don’t want to live with stinking Albanians in charge that is what is wrong with the picture – get it now.
(sj, 22 October 2011 16:08)
And Albanians in Kosovo do not want to live with "stinking" Serbians in charge--so whats your point?
(pss, 23 October 2011 14:11)

Probably the point is that Albanian police should leave Kosovo North.

No, sir, the ICJ never said that, unless you are able to quote the paragraph from the ICJ decision where it said that. You have stated so many falsities about the ICJ decision that it makes me think that you have never read it.
---…-- icj1

"the declaration of independence of the 17th of February 2008 did not violate general international law because international law contains no 'prohibition on declarations of independence'."

BECAUSE INTERNATIONAL LAW CONTAINS NO PROHIBITION ON DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE!!!(i.e. they don't have a law regarding UDIs and they have never had one brought to them before- that is a fact and now I know that you are the one who hasn't read it!)

Also the UDI was issued by INDIVIDUAL members of the Assembly of Kosovo (ACTING IN PERSONAL CAPACITY and not binding to the Assembly itself) who named themselves "representatives of the people of Kosovo"..

In other words... we don't make laws to prohibit INDIVIDUAL people acting in a personal capacity... it wasn't even a government organisation in Pristina who made the declaration you dumb*a** it was a group of individuals..................

icj1 you really don't have very good comebacks and most of the time you lack substance in your arguments. I think you think you're a lot wiser & intelligent than you are.

As for Brazil I am illustrating what a country with nothing to do with Serbia & no problems of their own regarding separatist movements has to say about the UDI.... it is a rational opinion from the mankind across the other side of the planet.... I did this so primates like you would stop thinking that the fascist western europeans are the only ones that can decide social welfare & border disputes.

Oh and in case you didn't know because you obviously don't care for GEO-political perspectives.. The biggest pro-Albanian-Kosovo is America.. you guys worship America which is a part of NORTH AMERICA..and seeing as you think Brazil is so far away and their opinion doesn't matter.. in case you didn't know they are a matter of hours away from NORTH AMERICA in SOUTH AMERICA... they also have 2/3 the population of America.. so take a reality check and understand that you are a walking contradiction.

It's ok for you to worship America and believe whatever the Americans say about Kosovo but you completely shut off the opinion of Brazil? lol I'm not going to waste any more time with you. Your mouth is too big for your brain.

****"If America was not so powerful, how could f*** up the world economy ?! You are a walking contradiction my friend. Leave anger aside and put the mind in motion and see the facts. Anger confuses the thought process***icj1

It's quite simple to deceive people in business and sell subprime mortgage debt instruments as A-grade products when in fact they were destined to crash. If you do this for years and years and get away with it the bubble will burst (as it has in the past) and you bring everyone down with you... It's typical of America. Occupy Wall St mean anything to you?

The UDI did not violate international law, according to the icj, however the declaration was not represented by the interim government and was made in a personal capacity.

The ICJ made an ADVISORY ruling based on a legal QUESTION brought to their attention. It did not make a RECOMMENDATION.

Now another contradiction is that many Albanians & especially Americans believe that Kosovo & Palestine are completely different cases, right?

America has a strong stance on Kosovo (pushing independence) & also a strong stance on Palestine (blocking independence). Now it's quite funny that they can say they are TOTALLY different.. but if you want to put so much weight on the ICJ ruling of Kosovo's independence then why don't you put so much weight on the fact that 'Palestine's borders' were referenced and sited numerous times in the "advisory" ruling on the UDI????

If they are so totally different then you cannot make so many references to Palestine's border issues & independence.

It's a total contradiction by America and something that many fail to address. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

If anyone actually reads the ICJ ruling on Kosovo's UDI then they will realise that it is just an advisory opinion & examples many times the ambiguity between statutes of international law & where the UDI fits in with their constitution (it basically doesn't).

Basically I can go to Kosovo and become part of the Assembly & make a declaration of unity with Serbia.

If you then filed a complaint & wanted advice from the ICJ they would just tell you that I(we) have not violated any international law. There's no difference. They would also state that because I was not officially representing the interim government then nothing has been breached within the international law or their constitution.

Again, 1244 has never stated the future status of Kosovo & therefore no laws have been broken by a lousy declaration made by some peanuts in Kosovo.

And Albanians in Kosovo do not want to live with "stinking" Serbians in charge--so whats your point?
(pss, 23 October 2011 14:11)

You see even a Serb has to do the thinking for you. Hey pss, its called plagiarism; try and come up with something original next time.