Representatives of Belgrade and Priština to meet

I hope the negotiations are productive and improve the lives of all people in the area.

So, after all the USA/EU have realised that ignoring Serbia is not an solution and managed to twist Albanian arm into this negotiations.
May God help us this time.

For once i have to agree with the albanians.
The status of Kosovo should not be discussed as Kosovo is 100% a part of Serbia! Case closed!!

Right now, Kosovo is exactly where Serbia wants it.
More than autonomy,
LESS than independence.

Any discussions will only benefit the albanian criminals in Pristina, and im amazed that they foolishly refuse to discuss this issue.
But then again, the albanians are well known for their nonsensical actions.

while the issues concerning sovereignty will be tackled in later stages of the talks.


ej Borko,
I suggest you stay in Belgrade and don't waste your time and taxpayers money. Status is done deal long ago.

Only in the Serbia media and Serb politicians you hear that the status will be discussed in a later stadia.

There will be no discussion anymore about the independance of Kosova which is a done deal.


And for your info:

It is not 5 out of 27 that haven't recognized Kosova,
it is 22 of 27 have recognized Kosova!


And all of them are the mean powers in Europe.

Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Romenia, Slovakia are the ones stretching out their hand to the EU for help.

Tung

I really wonder what the Kosovo representatives mean with "Kosovo is a closed chapter". Do they really want that Kosovo will stay forever in a limbo status, not recognized by the majority of the UN member states, and without a chance to ever join the UN and other international institutions because of Russian/Chinese veto? Can't they see that there will only progress after an agreement between Kosovo and Serbia has been reached?

"It is not 5 out of 27 that haven't recognized Kosova,
it is 22 of 27 have recognized Kosova! "
(FREEDOM, 8 March 2011 11:43)

What a genius! You will probably get the Nobel price for higher mathematics because of this profound finding!

"For your information in case you just woke up from deep sleep, is that; Serbia is the one begging Albanians to have a dialogue.
(Agim Kelmendi, 8 March 2011 13:01)

It's more like: The EU has enough of this Kindergarten in SE Europe, where politicians have nothing better to do but to play silly games like "I don't recognize your custom stamps - I don't recognize your new number plates" and so on, every day...

So, after all the USA/EU have realised that ignoring Serbia is not an solution and managed to twist Albanian arm into this negotiations.
May God help us this time.
(TITO, 8 March 2011 11:23)

For your information in case you just woke up from deep sleep, is that; Serbia is the one begging Albanians to have a dialogue. I have read countless article only on this site alone, about Serb politicians saying they are ready , but Albanians are not, we are wating for them, and so on...

I like to remind you that these meeting are not about negotiations, just simple dialogue for practical issues.

Zoran's "more than autonomy, less than independence" repetition-compulsion/autism is always good for a laugh.

"I have read countless article only on this site alone, about Serb politicians saying they are ready , but Albanians are not, we are wating for them, and so on... (Agim Kelmendi)

-- That is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing you've posted on this site. The Albanians have been doing whatever it takes to stall these talks for as long as possible. The representatives were even late to the scheduled meeting today as the legislature in Pristina is still fighting over what type of organized position to take on these talks, with Kurti's group outwardly against any negotiation as he rightly believes Pristina will be forced to make even further concessions to appease Belgrade. Whatever makes you think Belgrade is begging for a deal? The Albanians are scared straight that chapters they thought were "closed" are under the threat of opening again. They wanted the US to directly mediate these talks instead of playing second fiddle. Most reports on the Albanians delegration have written there is no unified platform aside from stonewalling.

You're obviously misreading and misunderstanding many if not all of these articles to make you come to this conclusion. Belgrade can easily walk away from these talks with more than it was told to settle for three years ago. Pristina has the most to lose in having what passes as its sovereignty further eroded.

Good luck. It looks like they have finally "agreed to disagree".

Start with the missing people. No need for talks about status to solve that issue.

Edita Tahiri, meanwhile, has said that Priština rules out any discussion with Serbia about the status of Kosovo, which they consider "a closed chapter".
--
Status cannot be discussed explicitly as it is truly a closed chapter. China, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Greece and several other countries are not going to change their mind and provide legitimacy to "Kosova" by recognising it. The "less than independent" remains.

On the other hand, the US, UK, France, Germany and others and not going to drop their recognitions so the "more than autonomy" remains.

This part is blocked and the major players have already revealed their hand. The more than autonomy, less than independence is reality and a closed issue my friends.

Now I cannot see how discussions on status can be avoided. It will be discussed implicitly during technical discussions. Even though the word "negotiations" is begin avoided, in this case, "dialogue" and "negotiations" go hand in hand. But I can understand the sensitivity of the issue so lets just say "dialogue" for now *wink* *wink*.

Anyway, lets use this opportunity to make life for the people of the region better and peaceful.

Unless you are at the meetings, you have no idea what is being discussed. Don't be so cocky thinking you know what the reps are discussing. You are not privy to any information except what's in you own heads. I speaking to everyone here, Albanian and Serb.

Status will most definately be discussed in the dialogue. Do the Albanians really want to stay in limbo forever and be unable to integrate into the EU? If the Albanians want to prosper, they will have to settle their status with Serbia. Notice how no EU officials have ruled out Status as a topic in the dialogue. They want the Albanians to negotiate with Serbia and find a solution because they see that as long as Serbia and its allies in the EU(Spain,Greece,Romania,Cyprus,Slovakia)remain opposed to the Albanian UDI, the Albanians will get no where.Even a US official recently said that the dialogue will touch upon the status issue. The West is realizing that without settling its status issue with Serbia, "Kosovo" will remain a UN protectorate in limbo. Soon the Albanians will realize that if they want their 50% unemployment rate to go away and improve living and economic conditions, status must be negotiated with Serbia so they can integrate into the EU,in agreement with Serbia, and prosper. If any Albanian here can tell me how else the Kosovo Albanians can integrate into the EU, in spite of fierce opposition from Serbia and the five EU countries opposed to the UDI, please tell me. And dont even say that Serbia and the EU five will recognize the UDI, because they have all made it crystal clear that this is out of the question. And another thing. Dont say that those five EU countries cant block "Kosovo" from joing the EU. Holland is only one country and it has been blocking Serbias EU path for years due to a lack Hague Cooperation which is a much lighter issue than the "sovereignty" of "Kosovo". So do you really think that 5 countries can't block the Albanians ambitions if only one has been blocking Serbia? Please any Albanian, tell me how the temporary institutions in Pristina will move forward without negotiations on its Status with Serbia? Enlighten me.

Zoran's "more than autonomy, less than independence" repetition-compulsion/autism is always good for a laugh.
(Danilo, 8 March 2011 18:43)
--
Yes, I do have to keep repeating myself for the sake of those like you with their head buried in the sand. I can only hope that laughing while in that position doesn't get too much sand down your throat and dry out your tongue. It must be uncomfortable.

What a genius! You will probably get the Nobel price for higher mathematics because of this profound finding!
(Top, 8 March 2011 16:33)
--
I wonder if he can answer this question. Is the glass half empty or half full?

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friends of Serbs in Kosovo"

I am not certain that the issue of the missing persons can be solved during the current negotiation. It all depends upon the position of the albanian side. The albanian state authorities have so far refused to cooperate with investigators. This also applies to the fate of three young Czech people lost in northern Albania. For more info look at this website: http://www.ztracenivalbanii.cz/index.en.html

"I wonder if he can answer this question. Is the glass half empty or half full?"
(Zoran, 8 March 2011 21:27)

This is simple: He'll answer this question in the good old Balkan manner: He grabs the glass, drinks, throws it over his shoulders, turns around and looks at the broken pieces and asks 'what glass'?

Well, I dare to say that sometimes even politics in Balkans is done in that way ;-)

Yes, I do have to keep repeating myself for the sake of those like you with their head buried in the sand. I can only hope that laughing while in that position doesn't get too much sand down your throat and dry out your tongue. It must be uncomfortable.
(Zoran, 8 March 2011 20:18)
Actually you are partly right. Kosovo agreed to a "supervised" independence in exchange for western support.
So your assertion of more than autonomy but less than independence is actually true, where you err is your assumption Serbia is still in the picture or ever will be. Those ties have been severed for all eternity. In order to claim ownership of a car you need to be able to drive it when you want, but if you are not even allowed inside it, claims of ownership are merely empty words.

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friends of Serbs in Kosovo"

I am not certain that the issue of the missing persons can be solved during the current negotiation. It all depends upon the position of the albanian side. The albanian state authorities have so far refused to cooperate with investigators. This also applies to the fate of three young Czech people lost in northern Albania. For more info look at this website: [link]
(Karel Hyka, 9 March 2011 00:14)


Kosova has nothing to do with three students in Albania. Albania and Kosova are two different countries at this time.

Actually you are partly right. Kosovo agreed to a "supervised" independence in exchange for western support.
So your assertion of more than autonomy but less than independence is actually true, where you err is your assumption Serbia is still in the picture or ever will be. Those ties have been severed for all eternity. In order to claim ownership of a car you need to be able to drive it when you want, but if you are not even allowed inside it, claims of ownership are merely empty words.
(pss, 9 March 2011 02:54)
--
That's what this "dialogue" is about. We do have some access to the car and those who claim it are locked and can't leave it because the documents say it is Serbia's. Now what we can do is agree to share certain parts, the most going to ethnic Albanians, the ownership papers remain in Serbia's name and so on.

Look, it's not rocket science. A bit of freedom for both sides to keep them happy and prevent violence is a good thing.

the ownership papers remain in Serbia's name and so on.

Look, it's not rocket science. A bit of freedom for both sides to keep them happy and prevent violence is a good thing.
(Zoran, 9 March 2011 12:00)
You almost had it untl the end, the whole problem. As long as Serbia has the ownership papers, ie as long as Serbia(ns) remains the master.

What a genius! You will probably get the Nobel price for higher mathematics because of this profound finding!
(Top, 8 March 2011 16:33)
More and more a Serbian response, in absence of an intelligent response, try belittling the poster. Makes you feel good, doesn't it

Right now, Kosovo is exactly where Serbia wants it.
More than autonomy,
LESS than independence.
(Predrag, 8 March 2011)

I keep hearing about MTA-LTI from the Serbs and I wonder, what this concept not found anywhere else in the planet is all about.

Are you guys saying Kosova will be an entity within Serbia with the same rights as Serbia, a sort of a Union of Serba and Albanians like that or the Serbs and Montenegrins was? What sort of power will Albanians have in this entity?

I am willing to listen.

(Anonymous, 9 March 2011 06:49) While you bring some points to the table you only present half the argument. You speak of the 5 preventing Kosovo from entering the EU. But which is more probable one or more of the 5 standing in Kosovo's way or one or more of 22 standing in Serbia's way?
The law of probability is on Kosovo's side. But once all 22 are satisfied to allow Serbia in, the 5 will not have a reason to stand in the way of Kosovo.
Also, your first statement is just plain wrong, almost every leader of Europe and the US (that has recognized Kosovo)has stated at some point these talks will be technical and added that they will in no way bring into question the independence of Kosovo.
However, technically every question borders on status without specifically mentioning it.

So, after all the USA/EU have realised that ignoring Serbia is not an solution and managed to twist Albanian arm into this negotiations.
May God help us this time.
(TITO, 8 March 2011 11:23)

For your information in case you just woke up from deep sleep, is that; Serbia is the one begging Albanians to have a dialogue. I have read countless article only on this site alone, about Serb politicians saying they are ready , but Albanians are not, we are wating for them, and so on...

I like to remind you that these meeting are not about negotiations, just simple dialogue for practical issues.

Only in the Serbia media and Serb politicians you hear that the status will be discussed in a later stadia.

There will be no discussion anymore about the independance of Kosova which is a done deal.


And for your info:

It is not 5 out of 27 that haven't recognized Kosova,
it is 22 of 27 have recognized Kosova!


And all of them are the mean powers in Europe.

Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Romenia, Slovakia are the ones stretching out their hand to the EU for help.

Tung

while the issues concerning sovereignty will be tackled in later stages of the talks.


ej Borko,
I suggest you stay in Belgrade and don't waste your time and taxpayers money. Status is done deal long ago.

So, after all the USA/EU have realised that ignoring Serbia is not an solution and managed to twist Albanian arm into this negotiations.
May God help us this time.

For once i have to agree with the albanians.
The status of Kosovo should not be discussed as Kosovo is 100% a part of Serbia! Case closed!!

Right now, Kosovo is exactly where Serbia wants it.
More than autonomy,
LESS than independence.

Any discussions will only benefit the albanian criminals in Pristina, and im amazed that they foolishly refuse to discuss this issue.
But then again, the albanians are well known for their nonsensical actions.

"It is not 5 out of 27 that haven't recognized Kosova,
it is 22 of 27 have recognized Kosova! "
(FREEDOM, 8 March 2011 11:43)

What a genius! You will probably get the Nobel price for higher mathematics because of this profound finding!

Zoran's "more than autonomy, less than independence" repetition-compulsion/autism is always good for a laugh.
(Danilo, 8 March 2011 18:43)
--
Yes, I do have to keep repeating myself for the sake of those like you with their head buried in the sand. I can only hope that laughing while in that position doesn't get too much sand down your throat and dry out your tongue. It must be uncomfortable.

What a genius! You will probably get the Nobel price for higher mathematics because of this profound finding!
(Top, 8 March 2011 16:33)
--
I wonder if he can answer this question. Is the glass half empty or half full?

I hope the negotiations are productive and improve the lives of all people in the area.

I really wonder what the Kosovo representatives mean with "Kosovo is a closed chapter". Do they really want that Kosovo will stay forever in a limbo status, not recognized by the majority of the UN member states, and without a chance to ever join the UN and other international institutions because of Russian/Chinese veto? Can't they see that there will only progress after an agreement between Kosovo and Serbia has been reached?

"For your information in case you just woke up from deep sleep, is that; Serbia is the one begging Albanians to have a dialogue.
(Agim Kelmendi, 8 March 2011 13:01)

It's more like: The EU has enough of this Kindergarten in SE Europe, where politicians have nothing better to do but to play silly games like "I don't recognize your custom stamps - I don't recognize your new number plates" and so on, every day...

"I have read countless article only on this site alone, about Serb politicians saying they are ready , but Albanians are not, we are wating for them, and so on... (Agim Kelmendi)

-- That is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing you've posted on this site. The Albanians have been doing whatever it takes to stall these talks for as long as possible. The representatives were even late to the scheduled meeting today as the legislature in Pristina is still fighting over what type of organized position to take on these talks, with Kurti's group outwardly against any negotiation as he rightly believes Pristina will be forced to make even further concessions to appease Belgrade. Whatever makes you think Belgrade is begging for a deal? The Albanians are scared straight that chapters they thought were "closed" are under the threat of opening again. They wanted the US to directly mediate these talks instead of playing second fiddle. Most reports on the Albanians delegration have written there is no unified platform aside from stonewalling.

You're obviously misreading and misunderstanding many if not all of these articles to make you come to this conclusion. Belgrade can easily walk away from these talks with more than it was told to settle for three years ago. Pristina has the most to lose in having what passes as its sovereignty further eroded.

Edita Tahiri, meanwhile, has said that Priština rules out any discussion with Serbia about the status of Kosovo, which they consider "a closed chapter".
--
Status cannot be discussed explicitly as it is truly a closed chapter. China, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Greece and several other countries are not going to change their mind and provide legitimacy to "Kosova" by recognising it. The "less than independent" remains.

On the other hand, the US, UK, France, Germany and others and not going to drop their recognitions so the "more than autonomy" remains.

This part is blocked and the major players have already revealed their hand. The more than autonomy, less than independence is reality and a closed issue my friends.

Now I cannot see how discussions on status can be avoided. It will be discussed implicitly during technical discussions. Even though the word "negotiations" is begin avoided, in this case, "dialogue" and "negotiations" go hand in hand. But I can understand the sensitivity of the issue so lets just say "dialogue" for now *wink* *wink*.

Anyway, lets use this opportunity to make life for the people of the region better and peaceful.

Zoran's "more than autonomy, less than independence" repetition-compulsion/autism is always good for a laugh.

Unless you are at the meetings, you have no idea what is being discussed. Don't be so cocky thinking you know what the reps are discussing. You are not privy to any information except what's in you own heads. I speaking to everyone here, Albanian and Serb.

Yes, I do have to keep repeating myself for the sake of those like you with their head buried in the sand. I can only hope that laughing while in that position doesn't get too much sand down your throat and dry out your tongue. It must be uncomfortable.
(Zoran, 8 March 2011 20:18)
Actually you are partly right. Kosovo agreed to a "supervised" independence in exchange for western support.
So your assertion of more than autonomy but less than independence is actually true, where you err is your assumption Serbia is still in the picture or ever will be. Those ties have been severed for all eternity. In order to claim ownership of a car you need to be able to drive it when you want, but if you are not even allowed inside it, claims of ownership are merely empty words.

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friends of Serbs in Kosovo"

I am not certain that the issue of the missing persons can be solved during the current negotiation. It all depends upon the position of the albanian side. The albanian state authorities have so far refused to cooperate with investigators. This also applies to the fate of three young Czech people lost in northern Albania. For more info look at this website: [link]
(Karel Hyka, 9 March 2011 00:14)


Kosova has nothing to do with three students in Albania. Albania and Kosova are two different countries at this time.

(Anonymous, 9 March 2011 06:49) While you bring some points to the table you only present half the argument. You speak of the 5 preventing Kosovo from entering the EU. But which is more probable one or more of the 5 standing in Kosovo's way or one or more of 22 standing in Serbia's way?
The law of probability is on Kosovo's side. But once all 22 are satisfied to allow Serbia in, the 5 will not have a reason to stand in the way of Kosovo.
Also, your first statement is just plain wrong, almost every leader of Europe and the US (that has recognized Kosovo)has stated at some point these talks will be technical and added that they will in no way bring into question the independence of Kosovo.
However, technically every question borders on status without specifically mentioning it.

Good luck. It looks like they have finally "agreed to disagree".

Start with the missing people. No need for talks about status to solve that issue.

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friends of Serbs in Kosovo"

I am not certain that the issue of the missing persons can be solved during the current negotiation. It all depends upon the position of the albanian side. The albanian state authorities have so far refused to cooperate with investigators. This also applies to the fate of three young Czech people lost in northern Albania. For more info look at this website: http://www.ztracenivalbanii.cz/index.en.html

Status will most definately be discussed in the dialogue. Do the Albanians really want to stay in limbo forever and be unable to integrate into the EU? If the Albanians want to prosper, they will have to settle their status with Serbia. Notice how no EU officials have ruled out Status as a topic in the dialogue. They want the Albanians to negotiate with Serbia and find a solution because they see that as long as Serbia and its allies in the EU(Spain,Greece,Romania,Cyprus,Slovakia)remain opposed to the Albanian UDI, the Albanians will get no where.Even a US official recently said that the dialogue will touch upon the status issue. The West is realizing that without settling its status issue with Serbia, "Kosovo" will remain a UN protectorate in limbo. Soon the Albanians will realize that if they want their 50% unemployment rate to go away and improve living and economic conditions, status must be negotiated with Serbia so they can integrate into the EU,in agreement with Serbia, and prosper. If any Albanian here can tell me how else the Kosovo Albanians can integrate into the EU, in spite of fierce opposition from Serbia and the five EU countries opposed to the UDI, please tell me. And dont even say that Serbia and the EU five will recognize the UDI, because they have all made it crystal clear that this is out of the question. And another thing. Dont say that those five EU countries cant block "Kosovo" from joing the EU. Holland is only one country and it has been blocking Serbias EU path for years due to a lack Hague Cooperation which is a much lighter issue than the "sovereignty" of "Kosovo". So do you really think that 5 countries can't block the Albanians ambitions if only one has been blocking Serbia? Please any Albanian, tell me how the temporary institutions in Pristina will move forward without negotiations on its Status with Serbia? Enlighten me.

"I wonder if he can answer this question. Is the glass half empty or half full?"
(Zoran, 8 March 2011 21:27)

This is simple: He'll answer this question in the good old Balkan manner: He grabs the glass, drinks, throws it over his shoulders, turns around and looks at the broken pieces and asks 'what glass'?

Well, I dare to say that sometimes even politics in Balkans is done in that way ;-)

Actually you are partly right. Kosovo agreed to a "supervised" independence in exchange for western support.
So your assertion of more than autonomy but less than independence is actually true, where you err is your assumption Serbia is still in the picture or ever will be. Those ties have been severed for all eternity. In order to claim ownership of a car you need to be able to drive it when you want, but if you are not even allowed inside it, claims of ownership are merely empty words.
(pss, 9 March 2011 02:54)
--
That's what this "dialogue" is about. We do have some access to the car and those who claim it are locked and can't leave it because the documents say it is Serbia's. Now what we can do is agree to share certain parts, the most going to ethnic Albanians, the ownership papers remain in Serbia's name and so on.

Look, it's not rocket science. A bit of freedom for both sides to keep them happy and prevent violence is a good thing.

Right now, Kosovo is exactly where Serbia wants it.
More than autonomy,
LESS than independence.
(Predrag, 8 March 2011)

I keep hearing about MTA-LTI from the Serbs and I wonder, what this concept not found anywhere else in the planet is all about.

Are you guys saying Kosova will be an entity within Serbia with the same rights as Serbia, a sort of a Union of Serba and Albanians like that or the Serbs and Montenegrins was? What sort of power will Albanians have in this entity?

I am willing to listen.

the ownership papers remain in Serbia's name and so on.

Look, it's not rocket science. A bit of freedom for both sides to keep them happy and prevent violence is a good thing.
(Zoran, 9 March 2011 12:00)
You almost had it untl the end, the whole problem. As long as Serbia has the ownership papers, ie as long as Serbia(ns) remains the master.

What a genius! You will probably get the Nobel price for higher mathematics because of this profound finding!
(Top, 8 March 2011 16:33)
More and more a Serbian response, in absence of an intelligent response, try belittling the poster. Makes you feel good, doesn't it