Saturday, 26.02.2011.
09:34
The UN and France knew about KLA leaders' link with the organized crime and protected and sheltered them, Frankfurt-based Serbian language daily Vesti writes.
Izvor: Tanjug
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Look at the statistics of Hague cases. >90% of prison sentenecs and cases were brought against Serbs. What more do you want, except our extinction perhaps.
(Zeka, 28 February 2011 10:52)
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BINGO.
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Peggy,
Who would you suggest, be honest? Would Russia or perhaps Serbia's friend and ally Libya be an impartial judge!
(The Count of Kosova, 28 February 2011 15:16)
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Russia over America, anytime.
America has a proven record of being the biggest bully and has thrown the world into chaos many times by their provocation, greed and constant thirst for blood. Of course other people's blood if they don't put their puppets into government.
Yes, I would take Russia and China over America to be my judge anytime.
Any more silly questions?
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(The Count of Kosova, 28 February 2011 15:16)
Even Lybia in those critical moments is a fully recognized country, even by it's enemies.. So why not?
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Peggy,
Who would you suggest, be honest? Would Russia or perhaps Serbia's friend and ally Libya be an impartial judge!
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Ideally, the UN would be more impartial, but the world balance was what it was in the 90s. Nothing is ever perfect.
(Nenad, 27 February 2011 18:55)
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So that makes it ok then. Let's just accept all this injustice and move on.
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Nenad- we can all agree with your sentiments. The point you seem to be missing is that Serbia has paid for it's crimes and more. I don't need to tell you about the embargoes, bombing, vilification in the Western press etc. Look at the statistics of Hague cases. >90% of prison sentenecs and cases were brought against Serbs. What more do you want, except our extinction perhaps.
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Tell us something we don't know
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Zoran,
I'm certainly don't see the ICTY as a perfect institution of justice. Far from it! And I harbor similar feelings toward NATO. However, if even half the evidence presented against Serbs at the Hague would prove to be true, then I think a lot of the suspects to have passed through its trial chambers have deservedly done so.
We can debate whether they should have been tried in Serbia instead, but frankly, I'd have many more misgivings about trials being handled there than in the Hague (particularly around the time of the ICTY's inception in 1993).
I definitely agree that there's something to the argument against Western influence over the UN (and by extension, the ICTY), but realistically, what other world body would have set up a tribunal to try crimes alleged to have taken place in ex-YU? Ideally, the UN would be more impartial, but the world balance was what it was in the 90s. Nothing is ever perfect.
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(Zoran, 26 February 2011 23:27)
Your link just confirmed my point Zoran. Every document mentioned by the link you provided comes from the Hague documents. Exactly what I was saying. Go read the Hague documents directly at their source.
Your link says that the court in the Hague ordered an investigation on the prosecution in the Hague. So shouldn't you say: Why should Serbians trust the prosecution in the Hague? But that is why the defense is there. You know how a process works right? Prosecution wants to prove you guilty, defense wants to prove you innocent. And a group of judges decide. Apparently the group of judges decided to investigate the prosecution this time. Because the prosecution apparently intimidated witnesses. Isn't that a motivation to trust the group of judges at the Hague? What they are doing is helping Seselj, right?
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We can all agree that Chechnya at this moment is going through an unprecedented massacre and assimilation.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
We don't all agree number one. Number two: the biggest problem of Chechen separatists is that the area is expected to grow, people are expected to earn decent money in construction work for Sochi Olympics and for World Cup - and they (i.e. the separatists) are losing ground and support. This was relatively recently written by Amer and Lendard about so I rest the case. Besides, completely off-topic.
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Can you pls explain me how would a Chechnya patriot finance his sacred war for the freedom of his children???
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Work for the construction company and of course curse everyone, beginning with corrupt Kadyrov and ending with the crazy "freedom fighters" who are nothing more or less, just murderers. I can't tell you "Read the kavkaz.org" because that site, originally hosted in EU was banned ultimately. I did read it and it was a pretty disgusting place.
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Now do you think that if I find a Chechenian patriot that is perhaps doing something that he shouldn't but I am sure that he is doing this only for financing his war for freedom do you think I will denounce him at the police????
NO WAY. We have been through that pain and I would FULLY understand him.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Understand, this is why we regard you as an enemy of civilization. Straight and simple. Your allies included.
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2 of my uncles would weak up every day for 2 years at 5am and were going to work in factories up to 7 pm.
All extra money that they didn't need for the food and rent for 2 years they were sending it to KLA.
As my uncles thousands of others!
This is how we financed our freedom.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
"Congratulations", now they, too, in my eyes became the enemies of civilization. But you are in relative comfort of Belgium.
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Now the question is the following:
Does Monsieur Professor have any evidence that Haliti’s illegal activity is still going on???
If YES then we have a problem.
We have the Kosova’s institutions that are keen in stopping that; there is EU mission that is keen and has the mandate to arrest them- so if you have facts send them to these institutions.
If not then I think you should mind your own business.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
1) you posted some quite disputed things about Chechnya. Disputed by Amer, not by Highduke. How many standards you have?
2) No one here has facts otherwise we would miss a kidney or two by next day mysteriously (see witness protection!). Like you, we have beliefs that "it well could happen" (Serbs) or beliefs "no way! KLA is an angel" (you). It is word against the word = useless debate, waste of time.
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Now let me make one thing very clear to you Serbs with this anti KLA propaganda offensive that you are carrying with larger intensity since last November:
We Albanians had against us for many prejudice thousands of people in EU DURING the crimes and biblical ethnic cleansing in 1999. While the entire world was watching those crimes there were thousands of ppl in EU that were approving these crimes.
Now do you think they will impress us today in 2011????
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
EU will because if they ask some of your key politicians to jump, they will ask "how high". At one point if necessary they will jump even if Yugoslavia, Russia, China will ask. Or Turkey. Wait, they already did it in the past.
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We are much stronger than you and them together.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Without a sugar daddy (Turkey, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, China, USA, NATO, EU) Albania can't occupy the wooden little toilet in the garden. Yes, at one point every sugar daddy became a nasty uncle. Who's the next one? India, Brazil? The strongest religion serving the purpose is "Albanism". Aha. The problem is, quite many in Albania are already tired of that crap because it did not work and more than half of Kosovo, too. The ones who did not vote and the ones I am speaking with regularly. You may feel different in Belgium.
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Majority of ppl is not racist and neither stupid in the end for them to make judgment all they want is FACTS.
If you don’t provide tangible facts it’s pointless all this offensive.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
People here are not investigators and not insiders of embassies. Who are increasingly talktive are. Let them talk and let the facts unfold.
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P.S. if you don’t have any evidence to oppose what I write hare (and you don’t) this comment is titanic strong so feel free not to recommend it :)
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
The "titanic" sounds somewhat funny, re-read it. But very good, this is somewhat to talk about in better detail because here a lot of communication is missing and things can be done better.
Re-your posting. I don't think the comment is strong but it was neither "recommended" nor "rejected" on my side. A debate should not be about "+" versus "-".
A "-" should be given to certain comments with clearly ill intent visible and under special circumstances. I usually (but not always) reserve this "privilege" to two people and even than not automatically.
A "+" should be given to anyone who lightens the day up, even if the comment is not from "your" site.
In that spirit your comment got no rating from me. It merely represents an opinion I strongly disagree with.
And please accept that strong words of disagreement do not mean someone has anything against you as a person.
You may find I have extreme words towards certain two people. This has nothing to do with their opinion. I know both more closely than you would think. It does happen by accident, one is clearly on "your" site. The other as I firmly believe just pretends to be on your site while having an ill intent to discredit a sufficiently large group of people.
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Nenad, you make some good points.
Please tell me why Serbians should have any faith in this NATO court based in the Hague? Check -> http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/08/icty-orders-independent-investigation-of-witness-intimidation-at-seselj-trial.php
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ohhhhh!BND sources?!
Is it the same BND that accused albanians of islamic terrorism and had as prove images of a man,that we found to be an albanian who had been an employé of the BND?
Is that BND whose men were cought while blowing up an OSCE building in prishtina-and first refuted it before aknowleging it?
as for Raufer,he is a french services agent!
so don't worry,we are "terrorists" when needed and "heroes" when needed for them
But indeed we are always the same and we are only albanians:That is your problem!
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And I say, my questions remain unanswered!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 February 2011 17:23)
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That's because you are asking the wrong people. Go and ask the CIA, they are his protectors.
Mr Swiss, give me a call if you want to catch up tomorrow. :)
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"We’re told they were civilians. Well, were they? And is the number accurate? Is the existence of these graves in dispute? If they were in fact KLA soldiers (or terrorists in the Serbian lexicon), then why the need to cover up their deaths?"
Look Nenad, it is all out there. At the ICTY web site. Everything that goes on in a Hague process, prosecution, defense, witnesses, everything they say. You and anybody else just need to go and read it, if you're interested. It takes at most 1 minute to create an account and all the Hague court records are available to you. For some you do not even need to create an account. Easy no?
For example:
http://www.icty.org/action/cases/4
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With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up.
(Liberale, 26 February 2011 15:43)
There's nothing wrong or illegal with 'rapping'. The Beastie Boys, Run DMC and others have made great careers out of it.
Laughable, learn how to spell kid!
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Like I’ve said before, no matter how grisly this alleged organ trafficking business, we shouldn’t lose sight of the crimes of which Serbs stand accused. Just the other day we saw Vlastimir Djordjevic sentenced to 27 years for his part in the joint criminal enterprise that involved the secret transfer and burial of over 700 Albanian corpses in Serbia proper.
We’re told they were civilians. Well, were they? And is the number accurate? Is the existence of these graves in dispute? If they were in fact KLA soldiers (or terrorists in the Serbian lexicon), then why the need to cover up their deaths?
A lot of Serbs will argue that this all just nonsense, more NATO lies. Well, where’s your proof of that? Are you even bothering to deal with these allegations responsibly?
Look, all parties to this war appear to have something for which they should answer. Serbs for their crimes, Albanians for theirs, the UN for their alleged inaction while this organ harvesting went on, NATO for its alleged errors during the bombing campaign.
In order for peace, reconciliation and long-term stability to happen, each side must be willing to admit to their crimes.
And yes, this includes the UN and NATO.
However, in fairness to these bodies, did they know that their dog in the fight would wind up selling organs for profit? And no matter how criminal their dog, at the time of the KLA crystallization circa 1996, could it really have appeared any more criminal than the opposing dog? I mean, was Arkan really a saint compared to Thaci or Haradinaj?
And could they have backed another dog? Had Rugova raised an army capable of fighting a war for independence? What was the other option? After all, the opponent in the fight wasn’t exactly considered by the rest of the world to be the most lawful of combatants. So why not pit criminals against criminals?
Oh, because the Albanians weren’t justified in seeking independence from Belgrade? Is that really it? Or could this possibly be another dark chapter of their own past which Serbs are simply unwilling to explore? I mean, what had Albanians really done in the 1970s and 1980s to warrant losing their autonomy, being fired from most of their jobs and being excluded from formal education? Serbs, please, show us all the evidence.
No matter how it might seem, I am not defending Albanians here. I’m simply asking why it is that the crimes of one side can seemingly eliminate those of another.
The idea of any Serb – innocent or guilty – of having his or her organs unjustly removed is obviously horrific. But also horrific is the idea of Serb paramilitaries entering an Albanian village to round up civilians to be shot.
Again, many Serbs might debate the existence of Serbian crimes such as the one mentioned immediately above. And again, I ask these Serbs to present us with proof.
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"That France is also being singled out is hardly surprising, their role in Bosnia, mainly in Srebrenica, by not giving the requested air back up to the Dutch lead to this massacre."
(The Swiss, 26 February 2011 17:57)
Exactly. That was another case of "THE WEST" tolerating criminal socalled "freedom fighers" for the sake of 'stability' ;-)
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I don't know why is this even important. Serbia and Serbs knew what crimes Serbs committed all over former Yugoslavia. What Albanians did it doesn't come close to what Serbs did.
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"Don't most of Africa support Serbia? So what do you want to say?"
(JohnC., 26 February 2011 15:08)
I want to say that the behaviour of Kosovo politicians suits more to African standards (being former 'freedom fighters', being corrupt, manipulating elections, threaten political opponents, getting public money into their own pockets... and so on and so on).
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What a surprise, France knew that KLA leaders were criminals. www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/17/thug_life?page=full
The world knew, why wouldn't the French? And look at Kouchner, what a disgusting excuse for a human being. Hope he will end his career soon, and if their is justice, see some time behind bars.
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"With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up."
(Liberale, 26 February 2011 15:43)
Well, believe it or not, if some neighbour hears some kids screaming coming from my house and calls the police, the police will check and investigate. If some more neighbours report the same, police will check more thoroughly. Even if the grand cousin of my cousin is the brother in law of the local police president. No, I'm not living in Kosovo, of course.
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Ramush Haradinaj, Thaci and Haliti all began their careers in Switzerland, which was the center of KLA activities and the place where, prior to 1999, enormous money intended for the KLA financing had been collected.
Yes, unfortunately my country harboured these criminals....
As to this professor, well, he is just one more who speaks out to confirm what kind of activities this black hole was involved in thru his angel fighters and how the west turned a blind eye.
This would have certainly gone for ever until Mr Marty go involved.
Since then so many people started speaking about and the truth is slowly but surely emerging and then let's see what the k-trolls here will have to say.
That France is also being singled out is hardly surprising, their role in Bosnia, mainly in Srebrenica, by not giving the requested air back up to the Dutch lead to this massacre.
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Yes, my friends. This doesn't come from B92 but from Germany - the KiM Albanians second biggest donor.
(Zoran, 26 February 2011 16:09)
And I say, my questions remain unanswered!!!
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Now, if this article explains the above, than I say AMEN, other than that is pure BS.
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 February 2011 12:39)
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Here is an article that explains it by your friends, the German BND. Remember those BND arrests in 2008? This article is from back then just so we can see it is old news.
I quote:
A high-ranking BND official spoke out with yet sharper words. “The German government had allowed itself to be dragged by the nose through global politics by a country in which organized crime is the form of government,”
...a 67-page long, hard-hitting analysis by the BND about organized crime in Kosovo and a confidential report contracted by the German military, the Bundeswehr. In contrast to the CIA and MI6, both German intelligence reports accuse Thaci as well as former Prime Minister Ramush Haradinaj and Xhavit Haliti of the parliamentary leadership of far-reaching involvement in organized crime.
The BND writes: “The key players (including Haliti, Haradinaj, and Thaci) are intimately involved in inter-linkages between politics, business, and organized crime structures in Kosovo.” At the end of the 1990s, the report accuses Thaci of leading a “criminal network operating throughout Kosovo.”
The BND report also accuses Thaci of contacts to the Czech and Albanian mafias. In addition, it accuses him, together with Haliti, of ordering killings through the professional hit man ‘Afrimi’, who is allegedly responsible for at least 11 contract murders.
Concerning Haradinaj, like Thaci seen as a protégé of the United States, the BND report says he was involved “in the full spectrum of criminal, political and military activities.”
...two CIA agents once protected Haradinaj from an interrogation by taking him to a U.S. base with an Italian military helicopter.
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Yes, my friends. This doesn't come from B92 but from Germany - the KiM Albanians second biggest donor.
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Let's relocate Kosovo to Africa!
(Top, 26 February 2011 11:04)
Don't most of Africa support Serbia? So what do you want to say?
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@ben
You obviously justify an option for special settling national issues which are occurring in some parts of the world. Besides waging war under cover of NATO ,you are willing to opt for terrorism, as you express youself in favour of Chechene’s way of fighting. In the same way,you must be supporting Basques , former Northern Irish terrorism,Al Qaeda terrorism against non Muslim world.You are writing about ethnic cleansing in 1999. What is the number of population in Kosovo comparing 1999 to 2011. It is obvious that Serbs have suffered ethnic cleansing since that period . There are about three hundred thousand Serbian refuges who fled their homes and are not allowed to return.Albanians have commited the most atrocious crimes,terrorist and criminal acts. The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was (politically) de-listed Its members entered other armed groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels which committed atrocious crimes. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with criminals in Kosovo at present, but what can be done without rule of law.
It is up to the local judiciary, which should have the final word. Whenever one refers to Kosovo - there is no judicial system which deals with any crime evidence to back any case up The recently submitted report ,by EU Parliament, on witness protection in Kosovo states that EULEX is not capable of protecting witnesses, and that the EULEX personnel, if they do their job in big cases, expose themselves and the members of their families to danger.
Kosovo is a black hole in Europe or Never Never-land in the world
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"In a normal state, it would be the job of the POLICE to find evidence when those allegations come up"
With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up.
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ha ... another article about the allegations made years ago, investigated over and over to no avail. I am actually in favor of a thorough ad meaningful investigation and f there is evidence to collaborate the allegations the perpetrators should face the full brunt of the justice on the other hand if there is no evidence then hopefully it will enable both sides to move on.
However what is surprising to see some of the daily commentators on this site predicting that this finally will be the end to Kosovo's Independence, we heard it all before the UDI, before the ICJ ruling, before any step the Kosovo planned to take it was commented on this site until people got blue in their faces that this time for sure it will be over.
As much as i love laughing at most of the comments on this site, on the serious not it just goes to show how divided both communities are and there doesn't seem to be any proactive step taken forward to try and have national reconciliation programs, starting by Serbia as the main contributer towards the region instability by recognizing its wrong doing in the former Yugoslavia
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"it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law"
(rolandi, 26 February 2011 11:02)
Is this a quotation from Al Capone, by chance? Sounds to me like that...
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Ben: The article actually says he was arrested with drugs, you don't consider that evidence?
You wrote a long, completely irrelevant, story that you believed absolves a criminal for his activities even though _it was proven_ he was infact, a criminal. Perhaps you should have given it some thought before posting the standard reply when someone you "root" for is accused for criminal activities. And with good reason it seems, arrested ith drugs, Nato intelligence pointing him out etc...
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it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law
(rolandi, 26 February 2011 11:02)
I hate to tell you but in these courts even rumor is enough to send you to prison. It’s called using the US justice system ha, ha, ha. Don’t worry we will apply the same level of justice that the US gave the Serbs.
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"And as you yestardsy brought the Italian expert saying clearly: we can say whatever we want about Kosova that there are crime and politicians ties with it BUT we DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE for that. "
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
In a normal state, it would be the job of the POLICE to find evidence when those allegations come up. Of course, in Kosovo, where police and politicians are simply unprofessional, are involved in criminal activities and/or recruited from former KLA fighters, they won't do anything. And that's the problem of a typical mafia state.
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Yes, we are well aware of the activities of this joint criminal enterprise. The one that protects terrorists of the worst kind while sheltering organ, drug and people traffickers. They run a NATO court that rewards KiM Albanian, BiH Muslim and Croatian war criminals.
As Marty has said numerous times, everyone has known about this for a long time. He is just putting it on record.
Ben, this is about the SE Europe, not Chechnya. Why do you guys keep going off topic? Does it have something to do with the constant denial KiM Albanians are in?
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Haliti had been arrested possessing drugs and a large amount of money but had nevertheless been immediately protected and released.
Several quaestions that need answers with proof.
Who arrested Haliti?
In which country he was arrested?
Who gave the order for his release?
What happened to the larg amount of money and drugs found in his posession?
Now, if this article explains the above, than I say AMEN, other than that is pure BS.
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Think about how mentally, spiritually, ethically & emotionally disfigured Western leaders & Western media & society MUST be to support the Albanians in all this. WE are dealing with some very very sick people who will soon enough bow to us once the S.Stream starts to flow.
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it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law
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More and more sources reveal the involvement of Kosovo politicians in criminal activities.
A shame that those people can still be active in Kosovo. Such a country doesn't fit to Europe! Let's relocate Kosovo to Africa!
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Slowley the truth is comming out! There were no true negotiations at Rambouillet. The West had already made up its mind about Kosovo and there was nothing to negotiate. Serbs were accused of refusing to come to an agreement and were blamed for the failure,
when asked to accept the unaccaptable in abandoning its people in Kosovo.
Like every crime against a people and nation the truth will eventually come out. For Serbia and its people its a little to late. What Serbs have
suffered in the hands of the albanians and their sponsors few people have. Nothing can make up for the burning down of hundreds of our churches
and monasteries in Kosovo and the repression and murder of our people.
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We can all agree that Chechnya at this moment is going through an unprecedented massacre and assimilation.
Now since you Monsieur Professor are not sending any letters to any commission of your parliament and neither to the Gov to condemn the crimes against Chechnya, and as you no one else is condemning it;
Since your Govt not only is doing nothing for the martyr Chechnya but is actually selling arms to Russia in order for her to be more effective in terrorising Chechnya and Georgia and others.
Since same as for as your Govt applies for US, Germany and all other democracies.
Can you pls explain me how would a Chechnya patriot finance his sacred war for the freedom of his children???
Now do you think that if I find a Chechenian patriot that is perhaps doing something that he shouldn't but I am sure that he is doing this only for financing his war for freedom do you think I will denounce him at the police????
NO WAY. We have been through that pain and I would FULLY understand him.
2 of my uncles would weak up every day for 2 years at 5am and were going to work in factories up to 7 pm.
All extra money that they didn't need for the food and rent for 2 years they were sending it to KLA.
As my uncles thousands of others!
This is how we financed our freedom.
If there was someone else that wanted to make some more $ they did that for their cause.
Now the question is the following:
Does Monsieur Professor have any evidence that Haliti’s illegal activity is still going on???
If YES then we have a problem.
We have the Kosova’s institutions that are keen in stopping that; there is EU mission that is keen and has the mandate to arrest them- so if you have facts send them to these institutions.
If not then I think you should mind your own business.
Now let me make one thing very clear to you Serbs with this anti KLA propaganda offensive that you are carrying with larger intensity since last November:
We Albanians had against us for many prejudice thousands of people in EU DURING the crimes and biblical ethnic cleansing in 1999. While the entire world was watching those crimes there were thousands of ppl in EU that were approving these crimes.
Now do you think they will impress us today in 2011????
Com one it’s due time you grow up.
We are much stronger than you and them together.
Majority of ppl is not racist and neither stupid in the end for them to make judgment all they want is FACTS.
And as you yestardsy brought the Italian expert saying clearly: we can say whatever we want about Kosova that there are crime and politicians ties with it BUT we DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE for that.
If you don’t provide tangible facts it’s pointless all this offensive.
P.S. if you don’t have any evidence to oppose what I write hare (and you don’t) this comment is titanic strong so feel free not to recommend it :)
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"it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law"
(rolandi, 26 February 2011 11:02)
Is this a quotation from Al Capone, by chance? Sounds to me like that...
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"And as you yestardsy brought the Italian expert saying clearly: we can say whatever we want about Kosova that there are crime and politicians ties with it BUT we DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE for that. "
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
In a normal state, it would be the job of the POLICE to find evidence when those allegations come up. Of course, in Kosovo, where police and politicians are simply unprofessional, are involved in criminal activities and/or recruited from former KLA fighters, they won't do anything. And that's the problem of a typical mafia state.
pre 13 godina
Slowley the truth is comming out! There were no true negotiations at Rambouillet. The West had already made up its mind about Kosovo and there was nothing to negotiate. Serbs were accused of refusing to come to an agreement and were blamed for the failure,
when asked to accept the unaccaptable in abandoning its people in Kosovo.
Like every crime against a people and nation the truth will eventually come out. For Serbia and its people its a little to late. What Serbs have
suffered in the hands of the albanians and their sponsors few people have. Nothing can make up for the burning down of hundreds of our churches
and monasteries in Kosovo and the repression and murder of our people.
pre 13 godina
@ben
You obviously justify an option for special settling national issues which are occurring in some parts of the world. Besides waging war under cover of NATO ,you are willing to opt for terrorism, as you express youself in favour of Chechene’s way of fighting. In the same way,you must be supporting Basques , former Northern Irish terrorism,Al Qaeda terrorism against non Muslim world.You are writing about ethnic cleansing in 1999. What is the number of population in Kosovo comparing 1999 to 2011. It is obvious that Serbs have suffered ethnic cleansing since that period . There are about three hundred thousand Serbian refuges who fled their homes and are not allowed to return.Albanians have commited the most atrocious crimes,terrorist and criminal acts. The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was (politically) de-listed Its members entered other armed groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels which committed atrocious crimes. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with criminals in Kosovo at present, but what can be done without rule of law.
It is up to the local judiciary, which should have the final word. Whenever one refers to Kosovo - there is no judicial system which deals with any crime evidence to back any case up The recently submitted report ,by EU Parliament, on witness protection in Kosovo states that EULEX is not capable of protecting witnesses, and that the EULEX personnel, if they do their job in big cases, expose themselves and the members of their families to danger.
Kosovo is a black hole in Europe or Never Never-land in the world
pre 13 godina
Think about how mentally, spiritually, ethically & emotionally disfigured Western leaders & Western media & society MUST be to support the Albanians in all this. WE are dealing with some very very sick people who will soon enough bow to us once the S.Stream starts to flow.
pre 13 godina
it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law
(rolandi, 26 February 2011 11:02)
I hate to tell you but in these courts even rumor is enough to send you to prison. It’s called using the US justice system ha, ha, ha. Don’t worry we will apply the same level of justice that the US gave the Serbs.
pre 13 godina
More and more sources reveal the involvement of Kosovo politicians in criminal activities.
A shame that those people can still be active in Kosovo. Such a country doesn't fit to Europe! Let's relocate Kosovo to Africa!
pre 13 godina
Yes, we are well aware of the activities of this joint criminal enterprise. The one that protects terrorists of the worst kind while sheltering organ, drug and people traffickers. They run a NATO court that rewards KiM Albanian, BiH Muslim and Croatian war criminals.
As Marty has said numerous times, everyone has known about this for a long time. He is just putting it on record.
Ben, this is about the SE Europe, not Chechnya. Why do you guys keep going off topic? Does it have something to do with the constant denial KiM Albanians are in?
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Now, if this article explains the above, than I say AMEN, other than that is pure BS.
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 February 2011 12:39)
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Here is an article that explains it by your friends, the German BND. Remember those BND arrests in 2008? This article is from back then just so we can see it is old news.
I quote:
A high-ranking BND official spoke out with yet sharper words. “The German government had allowed itself to be dragged by the nose through global politics by a country in which organized crime is the form of government,”
...a 67-page long, hard-hitting analysis by the BND about organized crime in Kosovo and a confidential report contracted by the German military, the Bundeswehr. In contrast to the CIA and MI6, both German intelligence reports accuse Thaci as well as former Prime Minister Ramush Haradinaj and Xhavit Haliti of the parliamentary leadership of far-reaching involvement in organized crime.
The BND writes: “The key players (including Haliti, Haradinaj, and Thaci) are intimately involved in inter-linkages between politics, business, and organized crime structures in Kosovo.” At the end of the 1990s, the report accuses Thaci of leading a “criminal network operating throughout Kosovo.”
The BND report also accuses Thaci of contacts to the Czech and Albanian mafias. In addition, it accuses him, together with Haliti, of ordering killings through the professional hit man ‘Afrimi’, who is allegedly responsible for at least 11 contract murders.
Concerning Haradinaj, like Thaci seen as a protégé of the United States, the BND report says he was involved “in the full spectrum of criminal, political and military activities.”
...two CIA agents once protected Haradinaj from an interrogation by taking him to a U.S. base with an Italian military helicopter.
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Yes, my friends. This doesn't come from B92 but from Germany - the KiM Albanians second biggest donor.
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Ben: The article actually says he was arrested with drugs, you don't consider that evidence?
You wrote a long, completely irrelevant, story that you believed absolves a criminal for his activities even though _it was proven_ he was infact, a criminal. Perhaps you should have given it some thought before posting the standard reply when someone you "root" for is accused for criminal activities. And with good reason it seems, arrested ith drugs, Nato intelligence pointing him out etc...
pre 13 godina
Like I’ve said before, no matter how grisly this alleged organ trafficking business, we shouldn’t lose sight of the crimes of which Serbs stand accused. Just the other day we saw Vlastimir Djordjevic sentenced to 27 years for his part in the joint criminal enterprise that involved the secret transfer and burial of over 700 Albanian corpses in Serbia proper.
We’re told they were civilians. Well, were they? And is the number accurate? Is the existence of these graves in dispute? If they were in fact KLA soldiers (or terrorists in the Serbian lexicon), then why the need to cover up their deaths?
A lot of Serbs will argue that this all just nonsense, more NATO lies. Well, where’s your proof of that? Are you even bothering to deal with these allegations responsibly?
Look, all parties to this war appear to have something for which they should answer. Serbs for their crimes, Albanians for theirs, the UN for their alleged inaction while this organ harvesting went on, NATO for its alleged errors during the bombing campaign.
In order for peace, reconciliation and long-term stability to happen, each side must be willing to admit to their crimes.
And yes, this includes the UN and NATO.
However, in fairness to these bodies, did they know that their dog in the fight would wind up selling organs for profit? And no matter how criminal their dog, at the time of the KLA crystallization circa 1996, could it really have appeared any more criminal than the opposing dog? I mean, was Arkan really a saint compared to Thaci or Haradinaj?
And could they have backed another dog? Had Rugova raised an army capable of fighting a war for independence? What was the other option? After all, the opponent in the fight wasn’t exactly considered by the rest of the world to be the most lawful of combatants. So why not pit criminals against criminals?
Oh, because the Albanians weren’t justified in seeking independence from Belgrade? Is that really it? Or could this possibly be another dark chapter of their own past which Serbs are simply unwilling to explore? I mean, what had Albanians really done in the 1970s and 1980s to warrant losing their autonomy, being fired from most of their jobs and being excluded from formal education? Serbs, please, show us all the evidence.
No matter how it might seem, I am not defending Albanians here. I’m simply asking why it is that the crimes of one side can seemingly eliminate those of another.
The idea of any Serb – innocent or guilty – of having his or her organs unjustly removed is obviously horrific. But also horrific is the idea of Serb paramilitaries entering an Albanian village to round up civilians to be shot.
Again, many Serbs might debate the existence of Serbian crimes such as the one mentioned immediately above. And again, I ask these Serbs to present us with proof.
pre 13 godina
What a surprise, France knew that KLA leaders were criminals. www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/17/thug_life?page=full
The world knew, why wouldn't the French? And look at Kouchner, what a disgusting excuse for a human being. Hope he will end his career soon, and if their is justice, see some time behind bars.
pre 13 godina
Haliti had been arrested possessing drugs and a large amount of money but had nevertheless been immediately protected and released.
Several quaestions that need answers with proof.
Who arrested Haliti?
In which country he was arrested?
Who gave the order for his release?
What happened to the larg amount of money and drugs found in his posession?
Now, if this article explains the above, than I say AMEN, other than that is pure BS.
pre 13 godina
ha ... another article about the allegations made years ago, investigated over and over to no avail. I am actually in favor of a thorough ad meaningful investigation and f there is evidence to collaborate the allegations the perpetrators should face the full brunt of the justice on the other hand if there is no evidence then hopefully it will enable both sides to move on.
However what is surprising to see some of the daily commentators on this site predicting that this finally will be the end to Kosovo's Independence, we heard it all before the UDI, before the ICJ ruling, before any step the Kosovo planned to take it was commented on this site until people got blue in their faces that this time for sure it will be over.
As much as i love laughing at most of the comments on this site, on the serious not it just goes to show how divided both communities are and there doesn't seem to be any proactive step taken forward to try and have national reconciliation programs, starting by Serbia as the main contributer towards the region instability by recognizing its wrong doing in the former Yugoslavia
pre 13 godina
Ramush Haradinaj, Thaci and Haliti all began their careers in Switzerland, which was the center of KLA activities and the place where, prior to 1999, enormous money intended for the KLA financing had been collected.
Yes, unfortunately my country harboured these criminals....
As to this professor, well, he is just one more who speaks out to confirm what kind of activities this black hole was involved in thru his angel fighters and how the west turned a blind eye.
This would have certainly gone for ever until Mr Marty go involved.
Since then so many people started speaking about and the truth is slowly but surely emerging and then let's see what the k-trolls here will have to say.
That France is also being singled out is hardly surprising, their role in Bosnia, mainly in Srebrenica, by not giving the requested air back up to the Dutch lead to this massacre.
pre 13 godina
I don't know why is this even important. Serbia and Serbs knew what crimes Serbs committed all over former Yugoslavia. What Albanians did it doesn't come close to what Serbs did.
pre 13 godina
And I say, my questions remain unanswered!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 February 2011 17:23)
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That's because you are asking the wrong people. Go and ask the CIA, they are his protectors.
Mr Swiss, give me a call if you want to catch up tomorrow. :)
pre 13 godina
"Don't most of Africa support Serbia? So what do you want to say?"
(JohnC., 26 February 2011 15:08)
I want to say that the behaviour of Kosovo politicians suits more to African standards (being former 'freedom fighters', being corrupt, manipulating elections, threaten political opponents, getting public money into their own pockets... and so on and so on).
pre 13 godina
With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up.
(Liberale, 26 February 2011 15:43)
There's nothing wrong or illegal with 'rapping'. The Beastie Boys, Run DMC and others have made great careers out of it.
Laughable, learn how to spell kid!
pre 13 godina
We can all agree that Chechnya at this moment is going through an unprecedented massacre and assimilation.
Now since you Monsieur Professor are not sending any letters to any commission of your parliament and neither to the Gov to condemn the crimes against Chechnya, and as you no one else is condemning it;
Since your Govt not only is doing nothing for the martyr Chechnya but is actually selling arms to Russia in order for her to be more effective in terrorising Chechnya and Georgia and others.
Since same as for as your Govt applies for US, Germany and all other democracies.
Can you pls explain me how would a Chechnya patriot finance his sacred war for the freedom of his children???
Now do you think that if I find a Chechenian patriot that is perhaps doing something that he shouldn't but I am sure that he is doing this only for financing his war for freedom do you think I will denounce him at the police????
NO WAY. We have been through that pain and I would FULLY understand him.
2 of my uncles would weak up every day for 2 years at 5am and were going to work in factories up to 7 pm.
All extra money that they didn't need for the food and rent for 2 years they were sending it to KLA.
As my uncles thousands of others!
This is how we financed our freedom.
If there was someone else that wanted to make some more $ they did that for their cause.
Now the question is the following:
Does Monsieur Professor have any evidence that Haliti’s illegal activity is still going on???
If YES then we have a problem.
We have the Kosova’s institutions that are keen in stopping that; there is EU mission that is keen and has the mandate to arrest them- so if you have facts send them to these institutions.
If not then I think you should mind your own business.
Now let me make one thing very clear to you Serbs with this anti KLA propaganda offensive that you are carrying with larger intensity since last November:
We Albanians had against us for many prejudice thousands of people in EU DURING the crimes and biblical ethnic cleansing in 1999. While the entire world was watching those crimes there were thousands of ppl in EU that were approving these crimes.
Now do you think they will impress us today in 2011????
Com one it’s due time you grow up.
We are much stronger than you and them together.
Majority of ppl is not racist and neither stupid in the end for them to make judgment all they want is FACTS.
And as you yestardsy brought the Italian expert saying clearly: we can say whatever we want about Kosova that there are crime and politicians ties with it BUT we DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE for that.
If you don’t provide tangible facts it’s pointless all this offensive.
P.S. if you don’t have any evidence to oppose what I write hare (and you don’t) this comment is titanic strong so feel free not to recommend it :)
pre 13 godina
"That France is also being singled out is hardly surprising, their role in Bosnia, mainly in Srebrenica, by not giving the requested air back up to the Dutch lead to this massacre."
(The Swiss, 26 February 2011 17:57)
Exactly. That was another case of "THE WEST" tolerating criminal socalled "freedom fighers" for the sake of 'stability' ;-)
pre 13 godina
Nenad- we can all agree with your sentiments. The point you seem to be missing is that Serbia has paid for it's crimes and more. I don't need to tell you about the embargoes, bombing, vilification in the Western press etc. Look at the statistics of Hague cases. >90% of prison sentenecs and cases were brought against Serbs. What more do you want, except our extinction perhaps.
pre 13 godina
it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law
pre 13 godina
"With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up."
(Liberale, 26 February 2011 15:43)
Well, believe it or not, if some neighbour hears some kids screaming coming from my house and calls the police, the police will check and investigate. If some more neighbours report the same, police will check more thoroughly. Even if the grand cousin of my cousin is the brother in law of the local police president. No, I'm not living in Kosovo, of course.
pre 13 godina
Nenad, you make some good points.
Please tell me why Serbians should have any faith in this NATO court based in the Hague? Check -> http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/08/icty-orders-independent-investigation-of-witness-intimidation-at-seselj-trial.php
pre 13 godina
Yes, my friends. This doesn't come from B92 but from Germany - the KiM Albanians second biggest donor.
(Zoran, 26 February 2011 16:09)
And I say, my questions remain unanswered!!!
pre 13 godina
We can all agree that Chechnya at this moment is going through an unprecedented massacre and assimilation.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
We don't all agree number one. Number two: the biggest problem of Chechen separatists is that the area is expected to grow, people are expected to earn decent money in construction work for Sochi Olympics and for World Cup - and they (i.e. the separatists) are losing ground and support. This was relatively recently written by Amer and Lendard about so I rest the case. Besides, completely off-topic.
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Can you pls explain me how would a Chechnya patriot finance his sacred war for the freedom of his children???
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Work for the construction company and of course curse everyone, beginning with corrupt Kadyrov and ending with the crazy "freedom fighters" who are nothing more or less, just murderers. I can't tell you "Read the kavkaz.org" because that site, originally hosted in EU was banned ultimately. I did read it and it was a pretty disgusting place.
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Now do you think that if I find a Chechenian patriot that is perhaps doing something that he shouldn't but I am sure that he is doing this only for financing his war for freedom do you think I will denounce him at the police????
NO WAY. We have been through that pain and I would FULLY understand him.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Understand, this is why we regard you as an enemy of civilization. Straight and simple. Your allies included.
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2 of my uncles would weak up every day for 2 years at 5am and were going to work in factories up to 7 pm.
All extra money that they didn't need for the food and rent for 2 years they were sending it to KLA.
As my uncles thousands of others!
This is how we financed our freedom.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
"Congratulations", now they, too, in my eyes became the enemies of civilization. But you are in relative comfort of Belgium.
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Now the question is the following:
Does Monsieur Professor have any evidence that Haliti’s illegal activity is still going on???
If YES then we have a problem.
We have the Kosova’s institutions that are keen in stopping that; there is EU mission that is keen and has the mandate to arrest them- so if you have facts send them to these institutions.
If not then I think you should mind your own business.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
1) you posted some quite disputed things about Chechnya. Disputed by Amer, not by Highduke. How many standards you have?
2) No one here has facts otherwise we would miss a kidney or two by next day mysteriously (see witness protection!). Like you, we have beliefs that "it well could happen" (Serbs) or beliefs "no way! KLA is an angel" (you). It is word against the word = useless debate, waste of time.
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Now let me make one thing very clear to you Serbs with this anti KLA propaganda offensive that you are carrying with larger intensity since last November:
We Albanians had against us for many prejudice thousands of people in EU DURING the crimes and biblical ethnic cleansing in 1999. While the entire world was watching those crimes there were thousands of ppl in EU that were approving these crimes.
Now do you think they will impress us today in 2011????
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
EU will because if they ask some of your key politicians to jump, they will ask "how high". At one point if necessary they will jump even if Yugoslavia, Russia, China will ask. Or Turkey. Wait, they already did it in the past.
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We are much stronger than you and them together.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Without a sugar daddy (Turkey, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, China, USA, NATO, EU) Albania can't occupy the wooden little toilet in the garden. Yes, at one point every sugar daddy became a nasty uncle. Who's the next one? India, Brazil? The strongest religion serving the purpose is "Albanism". Aha. The problem is, quite many in Albania are already tired of that crap because it did not work and more than half of Kosovo, too. The ones who did not vote and the ones I am speaking with regularly. You may feel different in Belgium.
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Majority of ppl is not racist and neither stupid in the end for them to make judgment all they want is FACTS.
If you don’t provide tangible facts it’s pointless all this offensive.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
People here are not investigators and not insiders of embassies. Who are increasingly talktive are. Let them talk and let the facts unfold.
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P.S. if you don’t have any evidence to oppose what I write hare (and you don’t) this comment is titanic strong so feel free not to recommend it :)
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
The "titanic" sounds somewhat funny, re-read it. But very good, this is somewhat to talk about in better detail because here a lot of communication is missing and things can be done better.
Re-your posting. I don't think the comment is strong but it was neither "recommended" nor "rejected" on my side. A debate should not be about "+" versus "-".
A "-" should be given to certain comments with clearly ill intent visible and under special circumstances. I usually (but not always) reserve this "privilege" to two people and even than not automatically.
A "+" should be given to anyone who lightens the day up, even if the comment is not from "your" site.
In that spirit your comment got no rating from me. It merely represents an opinion I strongly disagree with.
And please accept that strong words of disagreement do not mean someone has anything against you as a person.
You may find I have extreme words towards certain two people. This has nothing to do with their opinion. I know both more closely than you would think. It does happen by accident, one is clearly on "your" site. The other as I firmly believe just pretends to be on your site while having an ill intent to discredit a sufficiently large group of people.
pre 13 godina
Ideally, the UN would be more impartial, but the world balance was what it was in the 90s. Nothing is ever perfect.
(Nenad, 27 February 2011 18:55)
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So that makes it ok then. Let's just accept all this injustice and move on.
pre 13 godina
Let's relocate Kosovo to Africa!
(Top, 26 February 2011 11:04)
Don't most of Africa support Serbia? So what do you want to say?
pre 13 godina
Tell us something we don't know
pre 13 godina
Look at the statistics of Hague cases. >90% of prison sentenecs and cases were brought against Serbs. What more do you want, except our extinction perhaps.
(Zeka, 28 February 2011 10:52)
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BINGO.
pre 13 godina
"In a normal state, it would be the job of the POLICE to find evidence when those allegations come up"
With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up.
pre 13 godina
Peggy,
Who would you suggest, be honest? Would Russia or perhaps Serbia's friend and ally Libya be an impartial judge!
(The Count of Kosova, 28 February 2011 15:16)
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Russia over America, anytime.
America has a proven record of being the biggest bully and has thrown the world into chaos many times by their provocation, greed and constant thirst for blood. Of course other people's blood if they don't put their puppets into government.
Yes, I would take Russia and China over America to be my judge anytime.
Any more silly questions?
pre 13 godina
(The Count of Kosova, 28 February 2011 15:16)
Even Lybia in those critical moments is a fully recognized country, even by it's enemies.. So why not?
pre 13 godina
"We’re told they were civilians. Well, were they? And is the number accurate? Is the existence of these graves in dispute? If they were in fact KLA soldiers (or terrorists in the Serbian lexicon), then why the need to cover up their deaths?"
Look Nenad, it is all out there. At the ICTY web site. Everything that goes on in a Hague process, prosecution, defense, witnesses, everything they say. You and anybody else just need to go and read it, if you're interested. It takes at most 1 minute to create an account and all the Hague court records are available to you. For some you do not even need to create an account. Easy no?
For example:
http://www.icty.org/action/cases/4
pre 13 godina
ohhhhh!BND sources?!
Is it the same BND that accused albanians of islamic terrorism and had as prove images of a man,that we found to be an albanian who had been an employé of the BND?
Is that BND whose men were cought while blowing up an OSCE building in prishtina-and first refuted it before aknowleging it?
as for Raufer,he is a french services agent!
so don't worry,we are "terrorists" when needed and "heroes" when needed for them
But indeed we are always the same and we are only albanians:That is your problem!
pre 13 godina
(Zoran, 26 February 2011 23:27)
Your link just confirmed my point Zoran. Every document mentioned by the link you provided comes from the Hague documents. Exactly what I was saying. Go read the Hague documents directly at their source.
Your link says that the court in the Hague ordered an investigation on the prosecution in the Hague. So shouldn't you say: Why should Serbians trust the prosecution in the Hague? But that is why the defense is there. You know how a process works right? Prosecution wants to prove you guilty, defense wants to prove you innocent. And a group of judges decide. Apparently the group of judges decided to investigate the prosecution this time. Because the prosecution apparently intimidated witnesses. Isn't that a motivation to trust the group of judges at the Hague? What they are doing is helping Seselj, right?
pre 13 godina
Zoran,
I'm certainly don't see the ICTY as a perfect institution of justice. Far from it! And I harbor similar feelings toward NATO. However, if even half the evidence presented against Serbs at the Hague would prove to be true, then I think a lot of the suspects to have passed through its trial chambers have deservedly done so.
We can debate whether they should have been tried in Serbia instead, but frankly, I'd have many more misgivings about trials being handled there than in the Hague (particularly around the time of the ICTY's inception in 1993).
I definitely agree that there's something to the argument against Western influence over the UN (and by extension, the ICTY), but realistically, what other world body would have set up a tribunal to try crimes alleged to have taken place in ex-YU? Ideally, the UN would be more impartial, but the world balance was what it was in the 90s. Nothing is ever perfect.
pre 13 godina
Peggy,
Who would you suggest, be honest? Would Russia or perhaps Serbia's friend and ally Libya be an impartial judge!
pre 13 godina
Haliti had been arrested possessing drugs and a large amount of money but had nevertheless been immediately protected and released.
Several quaestions that need answers with proof.
Who arrested Haliti?
In which country he was arrested?
Who gave the order for his release?
What happened to the larg amount of money and drugs found in his posession?
Now, if this article explains the above, than I say AMEN, other than that is pure BS.
pre 13 godina
We can all agree that Chechnya at this moment is going through an unprecedented massacre and assimilation.
Now since you Monsieur Professor are not sending any letters to any commission of your parliament and neither to the Gov to condemn the crimes against Chechnya, and as you no one else is condemning it;
Since your Govt not only is doing nothing for the martyr Chechnya but is actually selling arms to Russia in order for her to be more effective in terrorising Chechnya and Georgia and others.
Since same as for as your Govt applies for US, Germany and all other democracies.
Can you pls explain me how would a Chechnya patriot finance his sacred war for the freedom of his children???
Now do you think that if I find a Chechenian patriot that is perhaps doing something that he shouldn't but I am sure that he is doing this only for financing his war for freedom do you think I will denounce him at the police????
NO WAY. We have been through that pain and I would FULLY understand him.
2 of my uncles would weak up every day for 2 years at 5am and were going to work in factories up to 7 pm.
All extra money that they didn't need for the food and rent for 2 years they were sending it to KLA.
As my uncles thousands of others!
This is how we financed our freedom.
If there was someone else that wanted to make some more $ they did that for their cause.
Now the question is the following:
Does Monsieur Professor have any evidence that Haliti’s illegal activity is still going on???
If YES then we have a problem.
We have the Kosova’s institutions that are keen in stopping that; there is EU mission that is keen and has the mandate to arrest them- so if you have facts send them to these institutions.
If not then I think you should mind your own business.
Now let me make one thing very clear to you Serbs with this anti KLA propaganda offensive that you are carrying with larger intensity since last November:
We Albanians had against us for many prejudice thousands of people in EU DURING the crimes and biblical ethnic cleansing in 1999. While the entire world was watching those crimes there were thousands of ppl in EU that were approving these crimes.
Now do you think they will impress us today in 2011????
Com one it’s due time you grow up.
We are much stronger than you and them together.
Majority of ppl is not racist and neither stupid in the end for them to make judgment all they want is FACTS.
And as you yestardsy brought the Italian expert saying clearly: we can say whatever we want about Kosova that there are crime and politicians ties with it BUT we DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE for that.
If you don’t provide tangible facts it’s pointless all this offensive.
P.S. if you don’t have any evidence to oppose what I write hare (and you don’t) this comment is titanic strong so feel free not to recommend it :)
pre 13 godina
it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law
pre 13 godina
I don't know why is this even important. Serbia and Serbs knew what crimes Serbs committed all over former Yugoslavia. What Albanians did it doesn't come close to what Serbs did.
pre 13 godina
Like I’ve said before, no matter how grisly this alleged organ trafficking business, we shouldn’t lose sight of the crimes of which Serbs stand accused. Just the other day we saw Vlastimir Djordjevic sentenced to 27 years for his part in the joint criminal enterprise that involved the secret transfer and burial of over 700 Albanian corpses in Serbia proper.
We’re told they were civilians. Well, were they? And is the number accurate? Is the existence of these graves in dispute? If they were in fact KLA soldiers (or terrorists in the Serbian lexicon), then why the need to cover up their deaths?
A lot of Serbs will argue that this all just nonsense, more NATO lies. Well, where’s your proof of that? Are you even bothering to deal with these allegations responsibly?
Look, all parties to this war appear to have something for which they should answer. Serbs for their crimes, Albanians for theirs, the UN for their alleged inaction while this organ harvesting went on, NATO for its alleged errors during the bombing campaign.
In order for peace, reconciliation and long-term stability to happen, each side must be willing to admit to their crimes.
And yes, this includes the UN and NATO.
However, in fairness to these bodies, did they know that their dog in the fight would wind up selling organs for profit? And no matter how criminal their dog, at the time of the KLA crystallization circa 1996, could it really have appeared any more criminal than the opposing dog? I mean, was Arkan really a saint compared to Thaci or Haradinaj?
And could they have backed another dog? Had Rugova raised an army capable of fighting a war for independence? What was the other option? After all, the opponent in the fight wasn’t exactly considered by the rest of the world to be the most lawful of combatants. So why not pit criminals against criminals?
Oh, because the Albanians weren’t justified in seeking independence from Belgrade? Is that really it? Or could this possibly be another dark chapter of their own past which Serbs are simply unwilling to explore? I mean, what had Albanians really done in the 1970s and 1980s to warrant losing their autonomy, being fired from most of their jobs and being excluded from formal education? Serbs, please, show us all the evidence.
No matter how it might seem, I am not defending Albanians here. I’m simply asking why it is that the crimes of one side can seemingly eliminate those of another.
The idea of any Serb – innocent or guilty – of having his or her organs unjustly removed is obviously horrific. But also horrific is the idea of Serb paramilitaries entering an Albanian village to round up civilians to be shot.
Again, many Serbs might debate the existence of Serbian crimes such as the one mentioned immediately above. And again, I ask these Serbs to present us with proof.
pre 13 godina
"In a normal state, it would be the job of the POLICE to find evidence when those allegations come up"
With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up.
pre 13 godina
ha ... another article about the allegations made years ago, investigated over and over to no avail. I am actually in favor of a thorough ad meaningful investigation and f there is evidence to collaborate the allegations the perpetrators should face the full brunt of the justice on the other hand if there is no evidence then hopefully it will enable both sides to move on.
However what is surprising to see some of the daily commentators on this site predicting that this finally will be the end to Kosovo's Independence, we heard it all before the UDI, before the ICJ ruling, before any step the Kosovo planned to take it was commented on this site until people got blue in their faces that this time for sure it will be over.
As much as i love laughing at most of the comments on this site, on the serious not it just goes to show how divided both communities are and there doesn't seem to be any proactive step taken forward to try and have national reconciliation programs, starting by Serbia as the main contributer towards the region instability by recognizing its wrong doing in the former Yugoslavia
pre 13 godina
ohhhhh!BND sources?!
Is it the same BND that accused albanians of islamic terrorism and had as prove images of a man,that we found to be an albanian who had been an employé of the BND?
Is that BND whose men were cought while blowing up an OSCE building in prishtina-and first refuted it before aknowleging it?
as for Raufer,he is a french services agent!
so don't worry,we are "terrorists" when needed and "heroes" when needed for them
But indeed we are always the same and we are only albanians:That is your problem!
pre 13 godina
Yes, my friends. This doesn't come from B92 but from Germany - the KiM Albanians second biggest donor.
(Zoran, 26 February 2011 16:09)
And I say, my questions remain unanswered!!!
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"We’re told they were civilians. Well, were they? And is the number accurate? Is the existence of these graves in dispute? If they were in fact KLA soldiers (or terrorists in the Serbian lexicon), then why the need to cover up their deaths?"
Look Nenad, it is all out there. At the ICTY web site. Everything that goes on in a Hague process, prosecution, defense, witnesses, everything they say. You and anybody else just need to go and read it, if you're interested. It takes at most 1 minute to create an account and all the Hague court records are available to you. For some you do not even need to create an account. Easy no?
For example:
http://www.icty.org/action/cases/4
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Think about how mentally, spiritually, ethically & emotionally disfigured Western leaders & Western media & society MUST be to support the Albanians in all this. WE are dealing with some very very sick people who will soon enough bow to us once the S.Stream starts to flow.
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it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law
(rolandi, 26 February 2011 11:02)
I hate to tell you but in these courts even rumor is enough to send you to prison. It’s called using the US justice system ha, ha, ha. Don’t worry we will apply the same level of justice that the US gave the Serbs.
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Slowley the truth is comming out! There were no true negotiations at Rambouillet. The West had already made up its mind about Kosovo and there was nothing to negotiate. Serbs were accused of refusing to come to an agreement and were blamed for the failure,
when asked to accept the unaccaptable in abandoning its people in Kosovo.
Like every crime against a people and nation the truth will eventually come out. For Serbia and its people its a little to late. What Serbs have
suffered in the hands of the albanians and their sponsors few people have. Nothing can make up for the burning down of hundreds of our churches
and monasteries in Kosovo and the repression and murder of our people.
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Yes, we are well aware of the activities of this joint criminal enterprise. The one that protects terrorists of the worst kind while sheltering organ, drug and people traffickers. They run a NATO court that rewards KiM Albanian, BiH Muslim and Croatian war criminals.
As Marty has said numerous times, everyone has known about this for a long time. He is just putting it on record.
Ben, this is about the SE Europe, not Chechnya. Why do you guys keep going off topic? Does it have something to do with the constant denial KiM Albanians are in?
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Let's relocate Kosovo to Africa!
(Top, 26 February 2011 11:04)
Don't most of Africa support Serbia? So what do you want to say?
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Ramush Haradinaj, Thaci and Haliti all began their careers in Switzerland, which was the center of KLA activities and the place where, prior to 1999, enormous money intended for the KLA financing had been collected.
Yes, unfortunately my country harboured these criminals....
As to this professor, well, he is just one more who speaks out to confirm what kind of activities this black hole was involved in thru his angel fighters and how the west turned a blind eye.
This would have certainly gone for ever until Mr Marty go involved.
Since then so many people started speaking about and the truth is slowly but surely emerging and then let's see what the k-trolls here will have to say.
That France is also being singled out is hardly surprising, their role in Bosnia, mainly in Srebrenica, by not giving the requested air back up to the Dutch lead to this massacre.
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More and more sources reveal the involvement of Kosovo politicians in criminal activities.
A shame that those people can still be active in Kosovo. Such a country doesn't fit to Europe! Let's relocate Kosovo to Africa!
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Ben: The article actually says he was arrested with drugs, you don't consider that evidence?
You wrote a long, completely irrelevant, story that you believed absolves a criminal for his activities even though _it was proven_ he was infact, a criminal. Perhaps you should have given it some thought before posting the standard reply when someone you "root" for is accused for criminal activities. And with good reason it seems, arrested ith drugs, Nato intelligence pointing him out etc...
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With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up.
(Liberale, 26 February 2011 15:43)
There's nothing wrong or illegal with 'rapping'. The Beastie Boys, Run DMC and others have made great careers out of it.
Laughable, learn how to spell kid!
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Zoran,
I'm certainly don't see the ICTY as a perfect institution of justice. Far from it! And I harbor similar feelings toward NATO. However, if even half the evidence presented against Serbs at the Hague would prove to be true, then I think a lot of the suspects to have passed through its trial chambers have deservedly done so.
We can debate whether they should have been tried in Serbia instead, but frankly, I'd have many more misgivings about trials being handled there than in the Hague (particularly around the time of the ICTY's inception in 1993).
I definitely agree that there's something to the argument against Western influence over the UN (and by extension, the ICTY), but realistically, what other world body would have set up a tribunal to try crimes alleged to have taken place in ex-YU? Ideally, the UN would be more impartial, but the world balance was what it was in the 90s. Nothing is ever perfect.
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"it's not know its about what can you prove in court of law"
(rolandi, 26 February 2011 11:02)
Is this a quotation from Al Capone, by chance? Sounds to me like that...
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@ben
You obviously justify an option for special settling national issues which are occurring in some parts of the world. Besides waging war under cover of NATO ,you are willing to opt for terrorism, as you express youself in favour of Chechene’s way of fighting. In the same way,you must be supporting Basques , former Northern Irish terrorism,Al Qaeda terrorism against non Muslim world.You are writing about ethnic cleansing in 1999. What is the number of population in Kosovo comparing 1999 to 2011. It is obvious that Serbs have suffered ethnic cleansing since that period . There are about three hundred thousand Serbian refuges who fled their homes and are not allowed to return.Albanians have commited the most atrocious crimes,terrorist and criminal acts. The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was (politically) de-listed Its members entered other armed groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels which committed atrocious crimes. We can say there is organized crime, and strong ties of politicians with criminals in Kosovo at present, but what can be done without rule of law.
It is up to the local judiciary, which should have the final word. Whenever one refers to Kosovo - there is no judicial system which deals with any crime evidence to back any case up The recently submitted report ,by EU Parliament, on witness protection in Kosovo states that EULEX is not capable of protecting witnesses, and that the EULEX personnel, if they do their job in big cases, expose themselves and the members of their families to danger.
Kosovo is a black hole in Europe or Never Never-land in the world
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Peggy,
Who would you suggest, be honest? Would Russia or perhaps Serbia's friend and ally Libya be an impartial judge!
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"And as you yestardsy brought the Italian expert saying clearly: we can say whatever we want about Kosova that there are crime and politicians ties with it BUT we DON’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE for that. "
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
In a normal state, it would be the job of the POLICE to find evidence when those allegations come up. Of course, in Kosovo, where police and politicians are simply unprofessional, are involved in criminal activities and/or recruited from former KLA fighters, they won't do anything. And that's the problem of a typical mafia state.
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Now, if this article explains the above, than I say AMEN, other than that is pure BS.
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 February 2011 12:39)
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Here is an article that explains it by your friends, the German BND. Remember those BND arrests in 2008? This article is from back then just so we can see it is old news.
I quote:
A high-ranking BND official spoke out with yet sharper words. “The German government had allowed itself to be dragged by the nose through global politics by a country in which organized crime is the form of government,”
...a 67-page long, hard-hitting analysis by the BND about organized crime in Kosovo and a confidential report contracted by the German military, the Bundeswehr. In contrast to the CIA and MI6, both German intelligence reports accuse Thaci as well as former Prime Minister Ramush Haradinaj and Xhavit Haliti of the parliamentary leadership of far-reaching involvement in organized crime.
The BND writes: “The key players (including Haliti, Haradinaj, and Thaci) are intimately involved in inter-linkages between politics, business, and organized crime structures in Kosovo.” At the end of the 1990s, the report accuses Thaci of leading a “criminal network operating throughout Kosovo.”
The BND report also accuses Thaci of contacts to the Czech and Albanian mafias. In addition, it accuses him, together with Haliti, of ordering killings through the professional hit man ‘Afrimi’, who is allegedly responsible for at least 11 contract murders.
Concerning Haradinaj, like Thaci seen as a protégé of the United States, the BND report says he was involved “in the full spectrum of criminal, political and military activities.”
...two CIA agents once protected Haradinaj from an interrogation by taking him to a U.S. base with an Italian military helicopter.
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Yes, my friends. This doesn't come from B92 but from Germany - the KiM Albanians second biggest donor.
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What a surprise, France knew that KLA leaders were criminals. www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/17/thug_life?page=full
The world knew, why wouldn't the French? And look at Kouchner, what a disgusting excuse for a human being. Hope he will end his career soon, and if their is justice, see some time behind bars.
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"With your logic, I am accusing you for rapping your own sister, and now let the police find the "evidence".
Laughable , grow up."
(Liberale, 26 February 2011 15:43)
Well, believe it or not, if some neighbour hears some kids screaming coming from my house and calls the police, the police will check and investigate. If some more neighbours report the same, police will check more thoroughly. Even if the grand cousin of my cousin is the brother in law of the local police president. No, I'm not living in Kosovo, of course.
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And I say, my questions remain unanswered!!!
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 February 2011 17:23)
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That's because you are asking the wrong people. Go and ask the CIA, they are his protectors.
Mr Swiss, give me a call if you want to catch up tomorrow. :)
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"That France is also being singled out is hardly surprising, their role in Bosnia, mainly in Srebrenica, by not giving the requested air back up to the Dutch lead to this massacre."
(The Swiss, 26 February 2011 17:57)
Exactly. That was another case of "THE WEST" tolerating criminal socalled "freedom fighers" for the sake of 'stability' ;-)
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"Don't most of Africa support Serbia? So what do you want to say?"
(JohnC., 26 February 2011 15:08)
I want to say that the behaviour of Kosovo politicians suits more to African standards (being former 'freedom fighters', being corrupt, manipulating elections, threaten political opponents, getting public money into their own pockets... and so on and so on).
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We can all agree that Chechnya at this moment is going through an unprecedented massacre and assimilation.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
We don't all agree number one. Number two: the biggest problem of Chechen separatists is that the area is expected to grow, people are expected to earn decent money in construction work for Sochi Olympics and for World Cup - and they (i.e. the separatists) are losing ground and support. This was relatively recently written by Amer and Lendard about so I rest the case. Besides, completely off-topic.
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Can you pls explain me how would a Chechnya patriot finance his sacred war for the freedom of his children???
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Work for the construction company and of course curse everyone, beginning with corrupt Kadyrov and ending with the crazy "freedom fighters" who are nothing more or less, just murderers. I can't tell you "Read the kavkaz.org" because that site, originally hosted in EU was banned ultimately. I did read it and it was a pretty disgusting place.
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Now do you think that if I find a Chechenian patriot that is perhaps doing something that he shouldn't but I am sure that he is doing this only for financing his war for freedom do you think I will denounce him at the police????
NO WAY. We have been through that pain and I would FULLY understand him.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Understand, this is why we regard you as an enemy of civilization. Straight and simple. Your allies included.
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2 of my uncles would weak up every day for 2 years at 5am and were going to work in factories up to 7 pm.
All extra money that they didn't need for the food and rent for 2 years they were sending it to KLA.
As my uncles thousands of others!
This is how we financed our freedom.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
"Congratulations", now they, too, in my eyes became the enemies of civilization. But you are in relative comfort of Belgium.
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Now the question is the following:
Does Monsieur Professor have any evidence that Haliti’s illegal activity is still going on???
If YES then we have a problem.
We have the Kosova’s institutions that are keen in stopping that; there is EU mission that is keen and has the mandate to arrest them- so if you have facts send them to these institutions.
If not then I think you should mind your own business.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
1) you posted some quite disputed things about Chechnya. Disputed by Amer, not by Highduke. How many standards you have?
2) No one here has facts otherwise we would miss a kidney or two by next day mysteriously (see witness protection!). Like you, we have beliefs that "it well could happen" (Serbs) or beliefs "no way! KLA is an angel" (you). It is word against the word = useless debate, waste of time.
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Now let me make one thing very clear to you Serbs with this anti KLA propaganda offensive that you are carrying with larger intensity since last November:
We Albanians had against us for many prejudice thousands of people in EU DURING the crimes and biblical ethnic cleansing in 1999. While the entire world was watching those crimes there were thousands of ppl in EU that were approving these crimes.
Now do you think they will impress us today in 2011????
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
EU will because if they ask some of your key politicians to jump, they will ask "how high". At one point if necessary they will jump even if Yugoslavia, Russia, China will ask. Or Turkey. Wait, they already did it in the past.
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We are much stronger than you and them together.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
Without a sugar daddy (Turkey, Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, China, USA, NATO, EU) Albania can't occupy the wooden little toilet in the garden. Yes, at one point every sugar daddy became a nasty uncle. Who's the next one? India, Brazil? The strongest religion serving the purpose is "Albanism". Aha. The problem is, quite many in Albania are already tired of that crap because it did not work and more than half of Kosovo, too. The ones who did not vote and the ones I am speaking with regularly. You may feel different in Belgium.
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Majority of ppl is not racist and neither stupid in the end for them to make judgment all they want is FACTS.
If you don’t provide tangible facts it’s pointless all this offensive.
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
People here are not investigators and not insiders of embassies. Who are increasingly talktive are. Let them talk and let the facts unfold.
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P.S. if you don’t have any evidence to oppose what I write hare (and you don’t) this comment is titanic strong so feel free not to recommend it :)
(ben, 26 February 2011 11:23)
The "titanic" sounds somewhat funny, re-read it. But very good, this is somewhat to talk about in better detail because here a lot of communication is missing and things can be done better.
Re-your posting. I don't think the comment is strong but it was neither "recommended" nor "rejected" on my side. A debate should not be about "+" versus "-".
A "-" should be given to certain comments with clearly ill intent visible and under special circumstances. I usually (but not always) reserve this "privilege" to two people and even than not automatically.
A "+" should be given to anyone who lightens the day up, even if the comment is not from "your" site.
In that spirit your comment got no rating from me. It merely represents an opinion I strongly disagree with.
And please accept that strong words of disagreement do not mean someone has anything against you as a person.
You may find I have extreme words towards certain two people. This has nothing to do with their opinion. I know both more closely than you would think. It does happen by accident, one is clearly on "your" site. The other as I firmly believe just pretends to be on your site while having an ill intent to discredit a sufficiently large group of people.
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(Zoran, 26 February 2011 23:27)
Your link just confirmed my point Zoran. Every document mentioned by the link you provided comes from the Hague documents. Exactly what I was saying. Go read the Hague documents directly at their source.
Your link says that the court in the Hague ordered an investigation on the prosecution in the Hague. So shouldn't you say: Why should Serbians trust the prosecution in the Hague? But that is why the defense is there. You know how a process works right? Prosecution wants to prove you guilty, defense wants to prove you innocent. And a group of judges decide. Apparently the group of judges decided to investigate the prosecution this time. Because the prosecution apparently intimidated witnesses. Isn't that a motivation to trust the group of judges at the Hague? What they are doing is helping Seselj, right?
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(The Count of Kosova, 28 February 2011 15:16)
Even Lybia in those critical moments is a fully recognized country, even by it's enemies.. So why not?
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Peggy,
Who would you suggest, be honest? Would Russia or perhaps Serbia's friend and ally Libya be an impartial judge!
(The Count of Kosova, 28 February 2011 15:16)
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Russia over America, anytime.
America has a proven record of being the biggest bully and has thrown the world into chaos many times by their provocation, greed and constant thirst for blood. Of course other people's blood if they don't put their puppets into government.
Yes, I would take Russia and China over America to be my judge anytime.
Any more silly questions?
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Nenad, you make some good points.
Please tell me why Serbians should have any faith in this NATO court based in the Hague? Check -> http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/08/icty-orders-independent-investigation-of-witness-intimidation-at-seselj-trial.php
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Look at the statistics of Hague cases. >90% of prison sentenecs and cases were brought against Serbs. What more do you want, except our extinction perhaps.
(Zeka, 28 February 2011 10:52)
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BINGO.
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Tell us something we don't know
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Nenad- we can all agree with your sentiments. The point you seem to be missing is that Serbia has paid for it's crimes and more. I don't need to tell you about the embargoes, bombing, vilification in the Western press etc. Look at the statistics of Hague cases. >90% of prison sentenecs and cases were brought against Serbs. What more do you want, except our extinction perhaps.
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Ideally, the UN would be more impartial, but the world balance was what it was in the 90s. Nothing is ever perfect.
(Nenad, 27 February 2011 18:55)
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So that makes it ok then. Let's just accept all this injustice and move on.
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