Washington Post: U.S. should feel betrayed

Chuck Sudetic's pathetic attempt to justify the US actions by implying they were tricked into supporting the Albanian mafia and terrorists of the KLA is beyond belief.

Without any questions,” the KlA is a “terrorist group,” said President Clinton’s envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard,in 1998. “The future of Kosovo is within Yugoslavia,” Gelbard added, after meeting with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.At the same time they were provideng both military and financial support to KLA.

It seems to me that Sudetic is trying to hedge the US role in any subsequent investigation on Thaci, folowing Marty's report,by pleading total US ignorance.

This attempt will fail because the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London. Western politics was shown again and again to be an exercise in hypocrisy.

This is an interesting commentary indeed, particularly (for Albanians) that it was written by Chuck Sudetic (of Croatian descent), not a Serb. He also was a member of the war crimes tribunal.

"...the daily states that Kosovo's leaders have waged an ugly media campaign to discredit Marty and his findings and have threatened to launch a witch hunt against Albanians who aided the inquiry."

Washington Post is a bit late. Exactly these things has been said here in the forum for some weeks.

"the daily states and notes that on Christmas Day, Kosovo's press reported a threat by Thaci to name every Albanian who assisted Marty. In a land where witnesses to crimes are killed to silence them, Thaci's words could incite attacks on members of minority groups, political opponents, journalists and foreigners"

Exactly that must have been Thaci's intention when he announced to publish his infamous 'Marty's helpers list', what else? Presenting a list of persons who could receive the Kosovo truth award? ;-)

I am looking forward to hearing the arrest warrants for Thacy and his cronies issued by Interpol , and have them put in prison.The KLA has not been disbanded yet, its members are disguised into Kosovo police,and it is notorious that they were previously packs of terrorist bandits and they were even listed as such ones by US. Now US and EU sidestep the issue of the atrocious crimes committed by the former bandits, now Kosovo police. But they will sacrifice Thacy due to the pressures by some EU officials by having him deposed from power.If he stays, he will make some Albanians blush( make red),which I do not doubt; the same thing done by Ramush Haradinaj. A lot of witnesses will simply disappear.The worst thing which may occur is that Thacy’s sponsors deny the prosecution request .I wish I could hear what Natasha Kandic thinks about all this

This is an interesting commentary indeed, particularly (for Albanians) that it was written by Chuck Sudetic (of Croatian descent), not a Serb. He also was a member of the war crimes tribunal.
(Daniel, 8 January 2011 12:31)
He also coAuthored Del Pontes book and has lived in Belgrade for the last 8 years.
Not quite the unbiased editorial you try to paint.
His credibility is directly related to the perception of the international community on the organ scandal, if it is dismissed his credibility is in the toilet.
But he does have a successful book on the tragedy of Srebenica.

Washington Post or Carla Del Ponte's co-writer? Oh, yeah, it's Chuck Sudetic

Betrayed IS the right word. S. Stream realists are winning in Europe, like in Italy, France and soon Germany, they implement sensible immigration policies . America is weak

"Washington Post or Carla Del Ponte's co-writer? Oh, yeah, it's Chuck Sudetic"
(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:30)

Washington Post and Chuck Sudetic, two proud new members of Thaci's famous 'anti-independence network' ;-)

This attempt will fail because the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London. Western politics was shown again and again to be an exercise in hypocrisy.
(Leonidas, 8 January 2011 14:30)

It's not that important what WP writes or who writes - it is more important that such article does appear at all. Unthinkable few years ago and hopefully a sign that the tide turned. Knowing that central idea of Albanian politics was traditionally hiding behind someone's back - now curious, where they will go.

ah, wash-ton post such nice people there overlooking crimes of mladic tadic jeremic it's all putin baloney but we have many progressive frnds in blgde like natasa kandic i dined with her yesterday she thnks wha-po is putin propaganda how about 5000 gazillion albanian hamsters killed by oh-so-innocent russians?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf06WJQ4FnE

Ciao!

Robot Lobotomy
Fisco

Tools have been used-and now is time to be disregarded..This just show that US is throwing thaci to the curb,and glory of kla is just about dead.
Interesting times are ahead of us..

@Agim Keljmendi
I was analysing the background of the notorious KLA. The point is that it was regarded by the US as a terrorist group in 1998 when it was politically de-listed. Its members entered other armed groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels which committed atrocious crimes.So it evolution is from the pack of bandits headed by a tribe chieftains, then KLA and Kosovo police,and eventually they will all be convicts. Do not forget Nazim Blace and Azim Sulja nick-named Big Uncle.

“In a land where witnesses to crimes are killed to silence them, Thaci's words could incite attacks on members of minority groups, political opponents, journalists and foreigners,” the article warns and points out that this danger and the long-term need to foster rule of law in Kosovo and Albania make it incumbent upon the U.S. to make “a forceful public statement and conduct tough closed-door diplomacy.”

Is it so important to know who wrote it? whether he was paid by the Serbs, the Russians or working for the FSB, whatever the trolls around here would claim to protect their angels..., no, the point is that it was published and read by millions of americans that always were told that the evil has a Serbian nationality and that the entire Serbia is made of evils...
It is about time that a more balanced view is being promoted and that the criminals of ANY nationality are being brought behind bars whether the k-a nationalist trolls around here fog frisco including like it or not !
Any descent person would understand from this article that a guy like the snake is becoming an embarrasing weight for kosovo !

roberto said..."you're so unhappy because your beloved dick marty is shown as a man utterly lacking in credibility or objectivity. according to my swiss frnd, he is of very low reputation on the swiss political scene, of course the opposite of your reports... what a surprise.

i'm sick of your racism and personal attacks, just give it a break, mr "objective, neutral" switzerland"

First, in my opinion, if Mr. Marty is not strong in the political arena, his credibility has only increased.

So, roberto is tired of personal attacks?

This is the guy who can't write a sentence unless he uses nasty name-calling and HE is tired of personal attacks? What a hypocrite!

Seems that roberto is getting hot under the collar and... OMG ... he now has a swiss friend too.

Such a person of importance... BUT ... you can pretend to be anybody you want to be on the internet.

"We all will be KLA members if needed tomorrow,don't doubt a seconde for that!"
(lili, 8 January 2011 17:46)

Oh, don't you see that you just confirmed the opinion of some Serbs that all Albanians are criminals (or could become easily a member of a criminal terrorist group envolved in drug smuggling, human trafficking, sale of stolen cars...)?

I hope it's not like that!

I am looking forward to hearing the arrest warrants for Thacy and his cronies issued by Interpol , and have them put in prison.The KLA has not been disbanded yet, its members are disguised into Kosovo police,and it is notorious that they were previously packs of terrorist bandits and they were even listed as such ones by US. Now US and EU sidestep the issue of the atrocious crimes committed by the former bandits, now Kosovo police. But they will sacrifice Thacy due to the pressures by some EU officials by having him deposed from power.If he stays, he will make some Albanians blush( make red),which I do not doubt; the same thing done by Ramush Haradinaj. A lot of witnesses will simply disappear.The worst thing which may occur is that Thacy’s sponsors deny the prosecution request .I wish I could hear what Natasha Kandic thinks about all this
(Velja, 8 January 2011 15:03)

I can easally say that 90% of Kosova population is still KLA, whether you like it or not.

This means nothing. As long as Serbs are on Russia's side, Kosovo has the full support of USA.
(ivan, 8 January 2011 17:46)
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Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.

I can easally say that 90% of Kosova population is still KLA, whether you like it or not.
(Agim Kelmendi, 8 January 2011 16:17)
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And you wonder why Serbs don't want to join this society.

Somehow I still think you're wrong. I don't think that most K-Albanians think the way you do at all. They are just as much prisoners of Thaci as the Serbs are.

# Washington Post: U.S. should feel betrayed

by EU for it's failures:
as EULEX
refusing to tow the line
refusing to enforce unpopular policies
and
to jail terrorists rampant in northern part of Kosovo
(KOSO, 8 January 2011 16:23)
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Only in your mind KOSO, only in your mind.

No suprise really, the US has supported terrorists for years, they always turned a blind eye to the IRA, they supported Saddam for years and let nots forget the CIA trained and funded what is now the Taliban, the US reaps what it sows. Soon enough they will drop Kosovo as they have done to all the others mentioned.

The US acts in what it deems as its own interests. These Americans are the same people who employed former Nazis to help build there rocket programme after WW2.

Its in there interest for Serbs, Abanians, Croats etc to be divided, as one you were stronger like this you all can be manipulated.

Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.

Ahhh, the deadly silence on this topic from the US was beginning to turn up the temperature several notches and now we have this “back door” denial from the US via the Washington Post. The US is now in what I like to call the Grouch Marx twilight zone where the question is being asked over and over again “have you stopped beating your wife” – it can’t extract itself and just calling for an investigation will not stop the accusations of being targeted at that beacon of freedom and democracy. It’s now in the open and trying to cover it up is impossible.
To all the Albanians that doubted me that the US had to make some kind of real statement and not just ask for an investigation, well here it is. Notice how they are preparing to distance themselves (“Americans should feel betrayed by…”) from the inevitable findings of any inquiry – nice people the Americans – that sharp pain in you ribs is the US knife going in your back.
Please note that the US demands transparency and openness of other nations, but its method of getting back to the “rule of law” is via “closed door diplomacy”. And they think that Wiki Leaks did all the damage to US image – for the thick heads in Washington it disappeared a long time ago, Wiki only confirmed it.
The problem is that the US has no credibility left.

This opinion piece http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/07/AR2011010705928.html was penned by one Chuck Sudetic - Carla del Ponte's coauthor. Which he doesn't mention, any more than this article does. He calls on the United States to demand that Thaci do what he - and the Albanian government, for good measure - have already done - call for an investigation. Sudetic also refers to the deaths of witnesses in Kosovo, the subject of another CoE investigation report. Unfortunately for the credibility of such reports, two of the protected witnesses that the report claims were murdered are currently appearing in the Kosovo media and stating that not only were they never protected Hague witnesses, but are really most sincerely alive.

the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London.
(Leonidas, 8 January 2011 14:30)

Yes Leonidas you're right. And good guys were, Milosevic, Mladic, Arkan and list goes on and on...

break, mr "objective, neutral" switzerland.

ciao!

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

hahaha, got that one late and it made me laugh.... don't tell me that I managed to shake your head full of hatry..... no, wasn't my intention... 2011 has well started but you have apparently gone back the other way.
You have a Swiss friend now, how glad I am, maybe it's me ahaaaaa. Let's be serious, you have your views, I have mine and if you don't want to be critized then I suggest that you move on to an albanian site, they will love you there... because this is apparently what you are looking for....
As to our neutrality, well, I believe this is not part of your vocabulary....
As to Mr Marty (would skip the beloved because you use it at any sort of sauces...) he is well regarded in Switzerland for his job but more for his stubborness in uncovering what everyone wants to push under the carpet... So whatch out dude

Washington Post: U.S. should feel betrayed

by EU for it's failures:
as EULEX
refusing to tow the line
refusing to enforce unpopular policies
and
to jail terrorists rampant in northern part of Kosovo

"you're so unhappy because your beloved dick marty is shown as a man utterly lacking in credibility or objectivity. "
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

he has more credibility and objectivity than all former KLA fighters who play (not very well) politicians in Kosovo nowadays together :-)

also the article said:
"Marty's report does not attack Kosovo's legitimacy"
(icj1, 9 January 2011 23:27)

Not only the article said it, no, Marty itself said it. The only person who tries to turn this report (made by Marty on behalf of the CoE) against a criminal group and its leaders into a case of a "serbo-russian anti-independence network working with nazi methods against all Albanians" has been Thaci. Well, it seems he was rather successful, many Kosovars believe his fairy tale.

"the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London."
(Leonidas, 8 January 2011 14:30)

No, the whole world (maybe except some people in Serbia) knows that the real evil started in Belgrade, with Milosevic and his 'greater Serbia' politics, who totally failed to get a transition of YU into independent countries, like it was done in Czechoslovakia, for example.

By that, many other evils were bred, the lates one being the KLA with wannabe politicians without any knowledge, like Thaci.

"Washington Post: U.S. should feel betrayed"

Actually methinks the Yankees are too shameless to feel anything!

Yes, if you think that WP is like Russia Today that everything written there must be in line with the Kremlin policy and Russia Today’s views. Yes, it was published in the WP, but that does not mean anything what WP editorial board believes, let alone about US policy makers.

What US policy makers think is here:
[link]
(icj1, 9 January 2011 23:14)

Are you really this naïve or just play acting. Do you really believe that US media is “free”? Talk about being brain washed.
For your information it’s controlled very closely and there is no freedom of the press where major US interests are concerned.

USA had supported Taliban, UNITA, Somoza, Trujillo and Reza Pahlavi. And one beautiful day, USA left them!
Time for you is coming, dear K-Albanians!

Amer wrote: "You overlooked who wrote this - Chuck Sindic, Carla del Ponte's coauthor - not the Washington Post editorial staff, not some reporter quoting American officials."

Amer, you don´t seem to get it - it´s not so much of importance who wrote this..., the fact that it was printed in the WP is the real point of importance.

there is something written in a US-american newspaper that does not suit you, I know... and there is nothing more you can do than to deny it or to at least play it down...

but, some day in the future you will have no choice, and you´ll wake up from your bad dream.

only a question of time.

Serbia will prevail.

direct answer to that albanian poster who hides himself behind "icj"

you don´t get it, and I really don´t know why you don´t get it... but once again extra for you, my dear k-albanian friend...

it´s not about what the board of WP or anyone you think could be of importance in the WP believes about it.

it´s not about what they believe, kid.

the crucial point is that it is published.

if that is too high for you, it cannot be made clearer.

and please spare us with web-sites that are only there to please the k-albanian soul.

the keep you calm with nonsense like that, that´s also something you seem to ignore stubbornly.

wake up, dude.

This means nothing. As long as Serbs are on Russia's side, Kosovo has the full support of USA.

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Unfortunately, it's true.

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Unfortunately, it's true.
(Ari Gold, 9 January 2011 09:40)

Totally agree with Ari. This is the reason why Serbian politicians are so confused. They know precisely that as long as they even nominally associate them self with Russia - the "West" will support anyone - even Albanian terrorists - who opposes them. It's an ugly war-by-proxy.

If you ask me - totally idiotic way of thinking and very counterproductive. Unfortunately as a small country Serbia is simply trapped.

One of the solutions for Serbia is probably(?) is to re-ally with the "West". The problem is that Russia is not an opponent of the "West" - but certain politicians on both sides still think in terms of 1970-s.

To make it even more bizarre: Albanians in general (see Sali Berisha or Hashim Thaçi) are still in 1970-s and much of Enver Hoxha legacy is still there. Merely giving up much of them (see NATO membership, etc.) made the Hoxha-nationalists and (ex???) commies the favorites.

The single question NO ONE could answer yet - and I asked so many times: why does America support people who were either nearly next to Enver Hoxha (Sali Berisha) or had a troubled past of being active Leninists while in exile (Switzerland, Thaçi)?

My answer: if it is about geopolitics - the spineless and short-sighted American politicians WILL support even communists... if these communists are against a Russian ally. They will spin and try to talk us into somewhat like "but these aren't communists anymore".

Rubbish - once a communist, always a communist. Or rather I would say "Leninist". Leninism is only partly an ideology, to a large degree it's a strategy how to get on the might and how to keep it. That makes Thaçi and Berisha excellent leninists.

I feel, if anyone is fully qualified here to speak about "leninism" - than I am.

You crimes were/are 100x of times more crual than the ones of Slovens, Croatians, Bosniaks or even the freedom fighters of Kosova.
(freedom, 10 January 2011 10:14)

You call the terrorists, organ harvesters, drug and stolen cars smugglers etc. "freedom fighters"? Very funny...

I must correct you. There is only one truth and that is Dick's "Truth" where every paragraph begins with either IT IS BELIEVED or THERE HAS BEEN RUMMORS.
(Simpatiku, 8 January 2011 23:58)

Just like the thousands of Albanians allegedly killed by Serbs “it is believed and there were rumours”. Show me your evidence!!!!

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Are you saying that truth is something that you can write on any piece of comment and expect me to believe it is the truth just because you say so?
Now I get your point of "There is nothing ordinary about any serb"
(Simpatiku, 8 January 2011 23:54)
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Simpatiku, let me give you one piece of advice.
It's best you stop diverting from all questions directed at you or your kin and either let the people answer them or you can because diversions only prove that you don't have any comeback or defense against the questions posed.

You are running second to Roberto at present but at this rate you are well on the way of surpassing him.

But to answer your question. I never said that the only truth is my truth. I merely asked a question of whether the truth is relevant or are friendships more relevant. Another Albanian with comprehension problems.

We were only a few to support KLA openly at the very beginning but only in few monthes we were a majority to support them thanks to the killings and the atrocities you did.Now we are all and will all defend what we have, thanks KLA engagement.
We all will be KLA members if needed tomorrow,don't doubt a seconde for that!Now more than yersterday,i can guarantie that to you: never forget that if during this war we had only our liberty to win,now we have,for a lot of us, just to remember our family members who were killed by you in the most horrific to find why we must be kla members tomorrow if needed!
And believe me ,it is a very powerful argument,much more than your organ trade for you!

Nothing says those were Albanian negatives - Peggy has posted there, for example and, I imagine, rated comments.
(Amer, 9 January 2011 23:41)

For good or bad - these ratings are like tribal wars. The fact there is not a single + out there and it's an Albanian side tells a lot. People know - Roberto's comments achieve usually the opposite what the intent was. It adds to the problem that they are lacking any humor, written in unacceptable grammar, egocentric, dumb and ignorant. Neither is a deadly sin - but if pointed out, I never seen Roberto admitting a single mistake or keeping up with a conversation.

Another thing people do not like is that any form of criticism or mocking is funneled into "anti-semitic" tube. Good example was the transformation of "Robot Lobotomy" into "Judeo-Lobotomy".

Ultimately what makes me explode every time I read his ramblings is that they undermine the very progressive things they supposed to support. The results count - not the intent. Probably there is no better Šešelj-advocate out there than Roberto.

I would say, by far the dumbest poster... :(

You overlooked who wrote this - Chuck Sindic, Carla del Ponte's coauthor - not the Washington Post editorial staff, not some reporter quoting American officials. It's probably giving him too much credit to expect him to have mentioned this, and certainly doesn't speak too well of his credibility.
(Amer, 9 January 2011 01:33)

The US had to do something as the silence was roasting it alive, especially after Wiki Leaks.

You see the US is directly linked to this mess as it worked closely with the Albanians and the co authors of this story are US people. Remember that Del Ponte was appointed by the US not by the Serbs.

Even if the authors submitted their article to the Washington Post the Editor would have advised the authorities about this story well in advance. The US control of the media is just as bad as in China or Russia so they could have quashed this story easily as they have done so in the past when the US was at the top of its game.

The problem is that the organ trading business is making a terrible situation even worse for that bastion of freedom and democracy – Wiki Leaks has shown that the US is a chronic liar and appearances are everything in this game.

Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.
(Mike, 8 January 2011 21:50)


Yeah, unfortunately we missed this. We bought CNN,BBC,MSNBC,NBC,CBC and the entire western media but forgot about Washington Post which after 10 years posted an article to your liking. Right now we are busy, trying to get B92.

There is only one truth: the Albanian truth.
(Je¿ albañski, 8 January 2011 22:50)

No Ataman
I must correct you. There is only one truth and that is Dick's "Truth" where every paragraph begins with either IT IS BELIEVED or THERE HAS BEEN RUMMORS.

Topi Top, did you count how many times you have posted a comment on this article (and on others).

It seems like you feel corned and try to break free??

Provide us the evidence, even the Serbian secret service didn't mention organ traffic.

If evidence is provided, the person(s) who are responsible should face justice.

But I have the feeling that you and all Serbs are using this so-called organ traffic for easing their conscience.

You crimes were/are 100x of times more crual than the ones of Slovens, Croatians, Bosniaks or even the freedom fighters of Kosova.

"Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.
(Mike, 8 January 2011 21:50) "

The Post published an op-ed piece, which hardly amounts to the Washington Post taking an editorial stance on the matter, although it's probably close enough for Serbia. The NYTimes identifies those who get column-inches on their op-ed page, but I guess WaPo counts on people to do their own googling. On the other hand, with all the coverage of the shooting in Tucson today, it may actually go unread.

"To all the Albanians that doubted me that the US had to make some kind of real statement and not just ask for an investigation, well here it is. Notice how they are preparing to distance themselves (“Americans should feel betrayed by…”) from the inevitable findings of any inquiry – nice people the Americans – that sharp pain in you ribs is the US knife going in your back.

(sj, 8 January 2011 22:36) "

You overlooked who wrote this - Chuck Sindic, Carla del Ponte's coauthor - not the Washington Post editorial staff, not some reporter quoting American officials. It's probably giving him too much credit to expect him to have mentioned this, and certainly doesn't speak too well of his credibility.

you are starting to sound like a real wack-job, ie another ataman. get a life, dude.
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

@Swiss: touch the slime - became slimy. Even Albanians don't like that sorry creature. On Newkosovareport Mr. Robot Lobotomy managed quite a few times to get negative ratings from his friends.

http://www.newkosovareport.com/200904281719/Politics/us-vice-president-biden-to-visit-kosovo.html

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get a life, dude.
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

A pre-programmed robot without functioning brain tells, what the life is?

as I have expected it, icj stays silent. ...and I do not really believe that he got my point, I rather think that he does not dare to think what is unthinkable for him.

the WP has published something "anti-albanian"..

well, even if he has not realized that it is not quite important whether the author, Mr.Sudetic is of serbian descent at all, but that this article has got the "okay" to be printed/published...

in the Washington Post!

well, let´s just see what future brings!

Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.
(Mike, 8 January 2011 21:50)

There is only one truth: the Albanian truth.

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Are you saying that truth is something that you can write on any piece of comment and expect me to believe it is the truth just because you say so?
Now I get your point of "There is nothing ordinary about any serb"

--It is about time that a more balanced view is being promoted and that the criminals of ANY nationality are being brought behind bars whether the k-a nationalist trolls around here fog frisco including like it or not !
Any descent person would understand from this article that a guy like the snake is becoming an embarrasing weight for kosovo !
(The Swiss, 8 January 2011 18:18)

you are starting to sound like a real wack-job, ie another ataman. get a life, dude.

you're so unhappy because your beloved dick marty is shown as a man utterly lacking in credibility or objectivity. according to my swiss frnd, he is of very low reputation on the swiss political scene, of course the opposite of your reports... what a surprise.

i'm sick of your racism and personal attacks, just give it a break, mr "objective, neutral" switzerland.

ciao!

roberto
frisco

Somehow I still think you're wrong. I don't think that most K-Albanians think the way you do at all. They are just as much prisoners of Thaci as the Serbs are.
(Peggy, 8 January 2011 21:08)

That's 100% correct. Most of whom you see here are not your typical representatives of Albanians. The hamster clip was on purpose. Albanians here are related to the "real" Albanians like the Critecus Critecus on the clip is related to Golden (Syrian) hamster. Both are hamsters, the things pretty much end there.

You are running second to Roberto at present but at this rate you are well on the way of surpassing him.
(Peggy, 9 January 2011 11:06)

This is totally impossible: so far every Albanian here does display once in a while some decency. On the other hand imagine you are going to place like "serbianforum" and proclaim: "живела Србиjа!" - and get some negative ratings from Serbs. Because that's what happened between Robot Lobotomy and some Albanians on Newkosovareport: score of "minus two".

http://tinyurl.com/384zo24

Just in case it changes, here is the actual screenshot:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7513/screenshot20110109at155.png

Curious, how fast now that will change ;-)

For some reason B92 summaries of others' articles always "forget" to mention anything that could sound in Kosovo's favor. For example, the article also stated that:

"If it finds the evidence and sources to be credible, the United States should join the European Union in establishing an entity capable of carrying out a criminal investigation and, if necessary, prosecutions; this entity should be capable of protecting witnesses". So the author did not say that Marty's evidence or sources (if they exist) are credible


also the article said:

"Marty's report does not attack Kosovo's legitimacy"

"Washington should also ensure that Serbia, Russia and other countries do not misuse the Council of Europe report to undermine Kosovo's legitimacy".

Overall I agree with the article. Marty should present its evidence (if any) and if it is credible those responsible should be prosecuted. Also, all of this stuff does not have anything to do with Kosovo's legitimacy. These are acts (if proved) of individual criminal responsability.

Just like the thousands of Albanians allegedly killed by Serbs “it is believed and there were rumours”. Show me your evidence!!!!
(sj, 9 January 2011 10:28)

http://hlc-rdc.org/index.php?lid=sr&show=kosovo&action=search

the fact that it was printed in the WP is the real point of importance.
(Jovan, 9 January 2011 18:19)

Yes, if you think that WP is like Russia Today that everything written there must be in line with the Kremlin policy and Russia Today’s views. Yes, it was published in the WP, but that does not mean anything what WP editorial board believes, let alone about US policy makers.

What US policy makers think is here:
http://pristina.usembassy.gov/tom_countryman_radio_albanian_service.html

I know this was a catch to this article.

Typical Serb style and I am (negatively) surprised by B92.

I surfed on the internet to the Washington Post and look who wrote this article:

CHUCK SUDETIC!

If that doesn't sound like a Serb.


Freedom for all Kosovars and those who do not want to stay in Kosova or are against it .... There is the door!

Are you really this naïve or just play acting. Do you really believe that US media is “free”? Talk about being brain washed.
For your information it’s controlled very closely and there is no freedom of the press where major US interests are concerned.
(sj, 10 January 2011 08:03)
I guess the answer to your questions could be answered by answering the following check points.
Do you see any articles in Major US news that do the following.
1. Criticize the leader (Obama)--most definitely.
2. Criticize US foreign policy (Wars etc)
most definitely.
3. Criticize actions taken by Congress, or the Courts--most definitely.

Now ask the same questions about the Russian free press, or even Serbia.

Kind of ironic you claim the US press is not free in response to an article published that criticizes US involvement in the Kosovo incident. Think about it, does the comment make sense?

"USA had supported Taliban, UNITA, Somoza, Trujillo and Reza Pahlavi. And one beautiful day, USA left them!
Time for you is coming, dear K-Albanians!
(Grzegorz, 10 January 2011 16:20) "

These were individuals or groups temporarily useful in the "struggle against Communism" - not a nation the US promised to support.

No suprise really, the US has supported terrorists for years, they always turned a blind eye to the IRA, they supported Saddam for years and let nots forget the CIA trained and funded what is now the Taliban, the US reaps what it sows. Soon enough they will drop Kosovo as they have done to all the others mentioned.

The US acts in what it deems as its own interests. These Americans are the same people who employed former Nazis to help build there rocket programme after WW2.

Its in there interest for Serbs, Abanians, Croats etc to be divided, as one you were stronger like this you all can be manipulated.
(Dave(UK), 9 January 2011 13:25)

Oh, finally, another one who got it (in addition to Peggy), that international relations are based on interests and pragmatism, not dogma, ideologies or love.

US supported Kosovo's independence for its selfish interest (i.e. to use it soldiers/resources where they were most needed - Iraq and Afghanistan) not because it loved Kosovo Albanians. If Kosovo going back under Serbia would have achieved the same results (i.e. enable US troops to leave Kosovo) US for sure would have supported Serbia as a more important player in the region than Kosovo.

It would be naive for anybody to think that US, Russia, etc... will support a country or another forever. They'll dump them as soon as a higher priority interest comes in (like Russia did in 1999 with Serbia because the money from the West was more important than 15% of Serbia's territory).

'Chuck Sudetic reported from the Balkans during the 1990s and worked for the U.N. war crimes tribunal for Yugoslavia from 2001 to 2005. He co-authored Carla Del Ponte's memoirs, "Madame Prosecutor." '
(Amer, 11 January 2011 01:37)

What? He worked for the totally biased and anti-Serbian NATO-court called ICTY? And now he's anti-Albanian? What a funny guy, he doesn't know what he wants. He msut be schizophrenic! Eh... STOP! Could it be (only maybe) that he's only doing his job and, as a good reporter, wants the truth to be discovered? It means he's an expert in the case and has a lot of knowledge about the region and the things that happened in EX-YU, compared to people who comment only from the distance.

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Finally you got it !

What were you thinking that Russia supports Serbia or US supports Kosovo because of love or truth ?

'Because that's what happened between Robot Lobotomy and some Albanians on Newkosovareport: score of "minus two".

[link]

Just in case it changes, here is the actual screenshot:

[link]

Curious, how fast now that will change ;-)
(Je¿ novo-kosowski, 9 January 2011 14:01) '

Nothing says those were Albanian negatives - Peggy has posted there, for example and, I imagine, rated comments.

To correct a misstatement I made earlier, when I claimed that the Washington Post didn't identify Chuck Sudetic - the following notice was at the bottom of the article: I overlooked it -

'Chuck Sudetic reported from the Balkans during the 1990s and worked for the U.N. war crimes tribunal for Yugoslavia from 2001 to 2005. He co-authored Carla Del Ponte's memoirs, "Madame Prosecutor." '

Are you really this naïve or just play acting. Do you really believe that US media is “free”? Talk about being brain washed.
For your information it’s controlled very closely and there is no freedom of the press where major US interests are concerned.
(sj, 10 January 2011 08:03)

Dude, we can speak about cospiracy theories all day if you want; they may make a good movie....

However, they do criticize the govoernment there regardless of how major the interest is. Find me a Russia Today article to say that Russia is a mafia state...

the crucial point is that it is published.
(Jovan, 10 January 2011 15:55)

And why is that a crucial point ?

the author of the article happens to support what the US government said in regards to the Thaci's affair.

as I have expected it, icj stays silent. ...and I do not really believe that he got my point, I rather think that he does not dare to think what is unthinkable for him.
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

Ha, ha, ha... ! Btw, who said that I'm a "he" ?!



the WP has published something "anti-albanian"...
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

I don't see anything anti-Albanian there. Where did you see it ?!



well, even if he has not realized that it is not quite important whether the author, Mr.Sudetic is of serbian descent at all,
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

that's irrelevant; I care about the arguments somebody gives not where the author was from. And as I said before I agree with what the author of the article suggests.



but that this article has got the "okay" to be printed/published...
in the Washington Post!
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

Sure, got the OK of the author and the relevant WP editor... That's how newspapers work.

ah, wash-ton post such nice people there overlooking crimes of mladic tadic jeremic it's all putin baloney but we have many progressive frnds in blgde like natasa kandic i dined with her yesterday she thnks wha-po is putin propaganda how about 5000 gazillion albanian hamsters killed by oh-so-innocent russians?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf06WJQ4FnE

Ciao!

Robot Lobotomy
Fisco

This is an interesting commentary indeed, particularly (for Albanians) that it was written by Chuck Sudetic (of Croatian descent), not a Serb. He also was a member of the war crimes tribunal.
(Daniel, 8 January 2011 12:31)
He also coAuthored Del Pontes book and has lived in Belgrade for the last 8 years.
Not quite the unbiased editorial you try to paint.
His credibility is directly related to the perception of the international community on the organ scandal, if it is dismissed his credibility is in the toilet.
But he does have a successful book on the tragedy of Srebenica.

Betrayed IS the right word. S. Stream realists are winning in Europe, like in Italy, France and soon Germany, they implement sensible immigration policies . America is weak

Chuck Sudetic's pathetic attempt to justify the US actions by implying they were tricked into supporting the Albanian mafia and terrorists of the KLA is beyond belief.

Without any questions,” the KlA is a “terrorist group,” said President Clinton’s envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard,in 1998. “The future of Kosovo is within Yugoslavia,” Gelbard added, after meeting with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.At the same time they were provideng both military and financial support to KLA.

It seems to me that Sudetic is trying to hedge the US role in any subsequent investigation on Thaci, folowing Marty's report,by pleading total US ignorance.

This attempt will fail because the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London. Western politics was shown again and again to be an exercise in hypocrisy.

"...the daily states that Kosovo's leaders have waged an ugly media campaign to discredit Marty and his findings and have threatened to launch a witch hunt against Albanians who aided the inquiry."

Washington Post is a bit late. Exactly these things has been said here in the forum for some weeks.

"the daily states and notes that on Christmas Day, Kosovo's press reported a threat by Thaci to name every Albanian who assisted Marty. In a land where witnesses to crimes are killed to silence them, Thaci's words could incite attacks on members of minority groups, political opponents, journalists and foreigners"

Exactly that must have been Thaci's intention when he announced to publish his infamous 'Marty's helpers list', what else? Presenting a list of persons who could receive the Kosovo truth award? ;-)

Washington Post: U.S. should feel betrayed

by EU for it's failures:
as EULEX
refusing to tow the line
refusing to enforce unpopular policies
and
to jail terrorists rampant in northern part of Kosovo

This is an interesting commentary indeed, particularly (for Albanians) that it was written by Chuck Sudetic (of Croatian descent), not a Serb. He also was a member of the war crimes tribunal.

Washington Post or Carla Del Ponte's co-writer? Oh, yeah, it's Chuck Sudetic

"Washington Post or Carla Del Ponte's co-writer? Oh, yeah, it's Chuck Sudetic"
(Hmmmm, 8 January 2011 14:30)

Washington Post and Chuck Sudetic, two proud new members of Thaci's famous 'anti-independence network' ;-)

I am looking forward to hearing the arrest warrants for Thacy and his cronies issued by Interpol , and have them put in prison.The KLA has not been disbanded yet, its members are disguised into Kosovo police,and it is notorious that they were previously packs of terrorist bandits and they were even listed as such ones by US. Now US and EU sidestep the issue of the atrocious crimes committed by the former bandits, now Kosovo police. But they will sacrifice Thacy due to the pressures by some EU officials by having him deposed from power.If he stays, he will make some Albanians blush( make red),which I do not doubt; the same thing done by Ramush Haradinaj. A lot of witnesses will simply disappear.The worst thing which may occur is that Thacy’s sponsors deny the prosecution request .I wish I could hear what Natasha Kandic thinks about all this
(Velja, 8 January 2011 15:03)

I can easally say that 90% of Kosova population is still KLA, whether you like it or not.

the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London.
(Leonidas, 8 January 2011 14:30)

Yes Leonidas you're right. And good guys were, Milosevic, Mladic, Arkan and list goes on and on...

We were only a few to support KLA openly at the very beginning but only in few monthes we were a majority to support them thanks to the killings and the atrocities you did.Now we are all and will all defend what we have, thanks KLA engagement.
We all will be KLA members if needed tomorrow,don't doubt a seconde for that!Now more than yersterday,i can guarantie that to you: never forget that if during this war we had only our liberty to win,now we have,for a lot of us, just to remember our family members who were killed by you in the most horrific to find why we must be kla members tomorrow if needed!
And believe me ,it is a very powerful argument,much more than your organ trade for you!

This attempt will fail because the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London. Western politics was shown again and again to be an exercise in hypocrisy.
(Leonidas, 8 January 2011 14:30)

It's not that important what WP writes or who writes - it is more important that such article does appear at all. Unthinkable few years ago and hopefully a sign that the tide turned. Knowing that central idea of Albanian politics was traditionally hiding behind someone's back - now curious, where they will go.

This means nothing. As long as Serbs are on Russia's side, Kosovo has the full support of USA.

I am looking forward to hearing the arrest warrants for Thacy and his cronies issued by Interpol , and have them put in prison.The KLA has not been disbanded yet, its members are disguised into Kosovo police,and it is notorious that they were previously packs of terrorist bandits and they were even listed as such ones by US. Now US and EU sidestep the issue of the atrocious crimes committed by the former bandits, now Kosovo police. But they will sacrifice Thacy due to the pressures by some EU officials by having him deposed from power.If he stays, he will make some Albanians blush( make red),which I do not doubt; the same thing done by Ramush Haradinaj. A lot of witnesses will simply disappear.The worst thing which may occur is that Thacy’s sponsors deny the prosecution request .I wish I could hear what Natasha Kandic thinks about all this

Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.
(Mike, 8 January 2011 21:50)

There is only one truth: the Albanian truth.

This opinion piece http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/07/AR2011010705928.html was penned by one Chuck Sudetic - Carla del Ponte's coauthor. Which he doesn't mention, any more than this article does. He calls on the United States to demand that Thaci do what he - and the Albanian government, for good measure - have already done - call for an investigation. Sudetic also refers to the deaths of witnesses in Kosovo, the subject of another CoE investigation report. Unfortunately for the credibility of such reports, two of the protected witnesses that the report claims were murdered are currently appearing in the Kosovo media and stating that not only were they never protected Hague witnesses, but are really most sincerely alive.

@Agim Keljmendi
I was analysing the background of the notorious KLA. The point is that it was regarded by the US as a terrorist group in 1998 when it was politically de-listed. Its members entered other armed groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels which committed atrocious crimes.So it evolution is from the pack of bandits headed by a tribe chieftains, then KLA and Kosovo police,and eventually they will all be convicts. Do not forget Nazim Blace and Azim Sulja nick-named Big Uncle.

"the whole world knows the real evil started in Washington and London."
(Leonidas, 8 January 2011 14:30)

No, the whole world (maybe except some people in Serbia) knows that the real evil started in Belgrade, with Milosevic and his 'greater Serbia' politics, who totally failed to get a transition of YU into independent countries, like it was done in Czechoslovakia, for example.

By that, many other evils were bred, the lates one being the KLA with wannabe politicians without any knowledge, like Thaci.

--It is about time that a more balanced view is being promoted and that the criminals of ANY nationality are being brought behind bars whether the k-a nationalist trolls around here fog frisco including like it or not !
Any descent person would understand from this article that a guy like the snake is becoming an embarrasing weight for kosovo !
(The Swiss, 8 January 2011 18:18)

you are starting to sound like a real wack-job, ie another ataman. get a life, dude.

you're so unhappy because your beloved dick marty is shown as a man utterly lacking in credibility or objectivity. according to my swiss frnd, he is of very low reputation on the swiss political scene, of course the opposite of your reports... what a surprise.

i'm sick of your racism and personal attacks, just give it a break, mr "objective, neutral" switzerland.

ciao!

roberto
frisco

Topi Top, did you count how many times you have posted a comment on this article (and on others).

It seems like you feel corned and try to break free??

Provide us the evidence, even the Serbian secret service didn't mention organ traffic.

If evidence is provided, the person(s) who are responsible should face justice.

But I have the feeling that you and all Serbs are using this so-called organ traffic for easing their conscience.

You crimes were/are 100x of times more crual than the ones of Slovens, Croatians, Bosniaks or even the freedom fighters of Kosova.

# Washington Post: U.S. should feel betrayed

by EU for it's failures:
as EULEX
refusing to tow the line
refusing to enforce unpopular policies
and
to jail terrorists rampant in northern part of Kosovo
(KOSO, 8 January 2011 16:23)
=======================

Only in your mind KOSO, only in your mind.

Tools have been used-and now is time to be disregarded..This just show that US is throwing thaci to the curb,and glory of kla is just about dead.
Interesting times are ahead of us..

I can easally say that 90% of Kosova population is still KLA, whether you like it or not.
(Agim Kelmendi, 8 January 2011 16:17)
=======================

And you wonder why Serbs don't want to join this society.

Somehow I still think you're wrong. I don't think that most K-Albanians think the way you do at all. They are just as much prisoners of Thaci as the Serbs are.

"We all will be KLA members if needed tomorrow,don't doubt a seconde for that!"
(lili, 8 January 2011 17:46)

Oh, don't you see that you just confirmed the opinion of some Serbs that all Albanians are criminals (or could become easily a member of a criminal terrorist group envolved in drug smuggling, human trafficking, sale of stolen cars...)?

I hope it's not like that!

“In a land where witnesses to crimes are killed to silence them, Thaci's words could incite attacks on members of minority groups, political opponents, journalists and foreigners,” the article warns and points out that this danger and the long-term need to foster rule of law in Kosovo and Albania make it incumbent upon the U.S. to make “a forceful public statement and conduct tough closed-door diplomacy.”

Is it so important to know who wrote it? whether he was paid by the Serbs, the Russians or working for the FSB, whatever the trolls around here would claim to protect their angels..., no, the point is that it was published and read by millions of americans that always were told that the evil has a Serbian nationality and that the entire Serbia is made of evils...
It is about time that a more balanced view is being promoted and that the criminals of ANY nationality are being brought behind bars whether the k-a nationalist trolls around here fog frisco including like it or not !
Any descent person would understand from this article that a guy like the snake is becoming an embarrasing weight for kosovo !

This means nothing. As long as Serbs are on Russia's side, Kosovo has the full support of USA.
(ivan, 8 January 2011 17:46)
=======================

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.

Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.

the fact that it was printed in the WP is the real point of importance.
(Jovan, 9 January 2011 18:19)

Yes, if you think that WP is like Russia Today that everything written there must be in line with the Kremlin policy and Russia Today’s views. Yes, it was published in the WP, but that does not mean anything what WP editorial board believes, let alone about US policy makers.

What US policy makers think is here:
http://pristina.usembassy.gov/tom_countryman_radio_albanian_service.html

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Are you saying that truth is something that you can write on any piece of comment and expect me to believe it is the truth just because you say so?
Now I get your point of "There is nothing ordinary about any serb"

No suprise really, the US has supported terrorists for years, they always turned a blind eye to the IRA, they supported Saddam for years and let nots forget the CIA trained and funded what is now the Taliban, the US reaps what it sows. Soon enough they will drop Kosovo as they have done to all the others mentioned.

The US acts in what it deems as its own interests. These Americans are the same people who employed former Nazis to help build there rocket programme after WW2.

Its in there interest for Serbs, Abanians, Croats etc to be divided, as one you were stronger like this you all can be manipulated.
(Dave(UK), 9 January 2011 13:25)

Oh, finally, another one who got it (in addition to Peggy), that international relations are based on interests and pragmatism, not dogma, ideologies or love.

US supported Kosovo's independence for its selfish interest (i.e. to use it soldiers/resources where they were most needed - Iraq and Afghanistan) not because it loved Kosovo Albanians. If Kosovo going back under Serbia would have achieved the same results (i.e. enable US troops to leave Kosovo) US for sure would have supported Serbia as a more important player in the region than Kosovo.

It would be naive for anybody to think that US, Russia, etc... will support a country or another forever. They'll dump them as soon as a higher priority interest comes in (like Russia did in 1999 with Serbia because the money from the West was more important than 15% of Serbia's territory).

For some reason B92 summaries of others' articles always "forget" to mention anything that could sound in Kosovo's favor. For example, the article also stated that:

"If it finds the evidence and sources to be credible, the United States should join the European Union in establishing an entity capable of carrying out a criminal investigation and, if necessary, prosecutions; this entity should be capable of protecting witnesses". So the author did not say that Marty's evidence or sources (if they exist) are credible


also the article said:

"Marty's report does not attack Kosovo's legitimacy"

"Washington should also ensure that Serbia, Russia and other countries do not misuse the Council of Europe report to undermine Kosovo's legitimacy".

Overall I agree with the article. Marty should present its evidence (if any) and if it is credible those responsible should be prosecuted. Also, all of this stuff does not have anything to do with Kosovo's legitimacy. These are acts (if proved) of individual criminal responsability.

There is only one truth: the Albanian truth.
(Je¿ albañski, 8 January 2011 22:50)

No Ataman
I must correct you. There is only one truth and that is Dick's "Truth" where every paragraph begins with either IT IS BELIEVED or THERE HAS BEEN RUMMORS.

Somehow I still think you're wrong. I don't think that most K-Albanians think the way you do at all. They are just as much prisoners of Thaci as the Serbs are.
(Peggy, 8 January 2011 21:08)

That's 100% correct. Most of whom you see here are not your typical representatives of Albanians. The hamster clip was on purpose. Albanians here are related to the "real" Albanians like the Critecus Critecus on the clip is related to Golden (Syrian) hamster. Both are hamsters, the things pretty much end there.

Just like the thousands of Albanians allegedly killed by Serbs “it is believed and there were rumours”. Show me your evidence!!!!
(sj, 9 January 2011 10:28)

http://hlc-rdc.org/index.php?lid=sr&show=kosovo&action=search

Ahhh, the deadly silence on this topic from the US was beginning to turn up the temperature several notches and now we have this “back door” denial from the US via the Washington Post. The US is now in what I like to call the Grouch Marx twilight zone where the question is being asked over and over again “have you stopped beating your wife” – it can’t extract itself and just calling for an investigation will not stop the accusations of being targeted at that beacon of freedom and democracy. It’s now in the open and trying to cover it up is impossible.
To all the Albanians that doubted me that the US had to make some kind of real statement and not just ask for an investigation, well here it is. Notice how they are preparing to distance themselves (“Americans should feel betrayed by…”) from the inevitable findings of any inquiry – nice people the Americans – that sharp pain in you ribs is the US knife going in your back.
Please note that the US demands transparency and openness of other nations, but its method of getting back to the “rule of law” is via “closed door diplomacy”. And they think that Wiki Leaks did all the damage to US image – for the thick heads in Washington it disappeared a long time ago, Wiki only confirmed it.
The problem is that the US has no credibility left.

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Finally you got it !

What were you thinking that Russia supports Serbia or US supports Kosovo because of love or truth ?

"Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.
(Mike, 8 January 2011 21:50) "

The Post published an op-ed piece, which hardly amounts to the Washington Post taking an editorial stance on the matter, although it's probably close enough for Serbia. The NYTimes identifies those who get column-inches on their op-ed page, but I guess WaPo counts on people to do their own googling. On the other hand, with all the coverage of the shooting in Tucson today, it may actually go unread.

Well it would seem that Chuck Sudetic works for and the Washington Post has been taken over by, the SANU/Russian Mafia Anti-Albanian/Anti-Family Man Thaci League.
(Mike, 8 January 2011 21:50)


Yeah, unfortunately we missed this. We bought CNN,BBC,MSNBC,NBC,CBC and the entire western media but forgot about Washington Post which after 10 years posted an article to your liking. Right now we are busy, trying to get B92.

I must correct you. There is only one truth and that is Dick's "Truth" where every paragraph begins with either IT IS BELIEVED or THERE HAS BEEN RUMMORS.
(Simpatiku, 8 January 2011 23:58)

Just like the thousands of Albanians allegedly killed by Serbs “it is believed and there were rumours”. Show me your evidence!!!!

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Are you saying that truth is something that you can write on any piece of comment and expect me to believe it is the truth just because you say so?
Now I get your point of "There is nothing ordinary about any serb"
(Simpatiku, 8 January 2011 23:54)
======================
Simpatiku, let me give you one piece of advice.
It's best you stop diverting from all questions directed at you or your kin and either let the people answer them or you can because diversions only prove that you don't have any comeback or defense against the questions posed.

You are running second to Roberto at present but at this rate you are well on the way of surpassing him.

But to answer your question. I never said that the only truth is my truth. I merely asked a question of whether the truth is relevant or are friendships more relevant. Another Albanian with comprehension problems.

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Unfortunately, it's true.
(Ari Gold, 9 January 2011 09:40)

Totally agree with Ari. This is the reason why Serbian politicians are so confused. They know precisely that as long as they even nominally associate them self with Russia - the "West" will support anyone - even Albanian terrorists - who opposes them. It's an ugly war-by-proxy.

If you ask me - totally idiotic way of thinking and very counterproductive. Unfortunately as a small country Serbia is simply trapped.

One of the solutions for Serbia is probably(?) is to re-ally with the "West". The problem is that Russia is not an opponent of the "West" - but certain politicians on both sides still think in terms of 1970-s.

To make it even more bizarre: Albanians in general (see Sali Berisha or Hashim Thaçi) are still in 1970-s and much of Enver Hoxha legacy is still there. Merely giving up much of them (see NATO membership, etc.) made the Hoxha-nationalists and (ex???) commies the favorites.

The single question NO ONE could answer yet - and I asked so many times: why does America support people who were either nearly next to Enver Hoxha (Sali Berisha) or had a troubled past of being active Leninists while in exile (Switzerland, Thaçi)?

My answer: if it is about geopolitics - the spineless and short-sighted American politicians WILL support even communists... if these communists are against a Russian ally. They will spin and try to talk us into somewhat like "but these aren't communists anymore".

Rubbish - once a communist, always a communist. Or rather I would say "Leninist". Leninism is only partly an ideology, to a large degree it's a strategy how to get on the might and how to keep it. That makes Thaçi and Berisha excellent leninists.

I feel, if anyone is fully qualified here to speak about "leninism" - than I am.

"To all the Albanians that doubted me that the US had to make some kind of real statement and not just ask for an investigation, well here it is. Notice how they are preparing to distance themselves (“Americans should feel betrayed by…”) from the inevitable findings of any inquiry – nice people the Americans – that sharp pain in you ribs is the US knife going in your back.

(sj, 8 January 2011 22:36) "

You overlooked who wrote this - Chuck Sindic, Carla del Ponte's coauthor - not the Washington Post editorial staff, not some reporter quoting American officials. It's probably giving him too much credit to expect him to have mentioned this, and certainly doesn't speak too well of his credibility.

I know this was a catch to this article.

Typical Serb style and I am (negatively) surprised by B92.

I surfed on the internet to the Washington Post and look who wrote this article:

CHUCK SUDETIC!

If that doesn't sound like a Serb.


Freedom for all Kosovars and those who do not want to stay in Kosova or are against it .... There is the door!

You are running second to Roberto at present but at this rate you are well on the way of surpassing him.
(Peggy, 9 January 2011 11:06)

This is totally impossible: so far every Albanian here does display once in a while some decency. On the other hand imagine you are going to place like "serbianforum" and proclaim: "живела Србиjа!" - and get some negative ratings from Serbs. Because that's what happened between Robot Lobotomy and some Albanians on Newkosovareport: score of "minus two".

http://tinyurl.com/384zo24

Just in case it changes, here is the actual screenshot:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7513/screenshot20110109at155.png

Curious, how fast now that will change ;-)

roberto said..."you're so unhappy because your beloved dick marty is shown as a man utterly lacking in credibility or objectivity. according to my swiss frnd, he is of very low reputation on the swiss political scene, of course the opposite of your reports... what a surprise.

i'm sick of your racism and personal attacks, just give it a break, mr "objective, neutral" switzerland"

First, in my opinion, if Mr. Marty is not strong in the political arena, his credibility has only increased.

So, roberto is tired of personal attacks?

This is the guy who can't write a sentence unless he uses nasty name-calling and HE is tired of personal attacks? What a hypocrite!

Seems that roberto is getting hot under the collar and... OMG ... he now has a swiss friend too.

Such a person of importance... BUT ... you can pretend to be anybody you want to be on the internet.

Yes, if you think that WP is like Russia Today that everything written there must be in line with the Kremlin policy and Russia Today’s views. Yes, it was published in the WP, but that does not mean anything what WP editorial board believes, let alone about US policy makers.

What US policy makers think is here:
[link]
(icj1, 9 January 2011 23:14)

Are you really this naïve or just play acting. Do you really believe that US media is “free”? Talk about being brain washed.
For your information it’s controlled very closely and there is no freedom of the press where major US interests are concerned.

direct answer to that albanian poster who hides himself behind "icj"

you don´t get it, and I really don´t know why you don´t get it... but once again extra for you, my dear k-albanian friend...

it´s not about what the board of WP or anyone you think could be of importance in the WP believes about it.

it´s not about what they believe, kid.

the crucial point is that it is published.

if that is too high for you, it cannot be made clearer.

and please spare us with web-sites that are only there to please the k-albanian soul.

the keep you calm with nonsense like that, that´s also something you seem to ignore stubbornly.

wake up, dude.

"Washington Post: U.S. should feel betrayed"

Actually methinks the Yankees are too shameless to feel anything!

you are starting to sound like a real wack-job, ie another ataman. get a life, dude.
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

@Swiss: touch the slime - became slimy. Even Albanians don't like that sorry creature. On Newkosovareport Mr. Robot Lobotomy managed quite a few times to get negative ratings from his friends.

http://www.newkosovareport.com/200904281719/Politics/us-vice-president-biden-to-visit-kosovo.html

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get a life, dude.
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

A pre-programmed robot without functioning brain tells, what the life is?

No suprise really, the US has supported terrorists for years, they always turned a blind eye to the IRA, they supported Saddam for years and let nots forget the CIA trained and funded what is now the Taliban, the US reaps what it sows. Soon enough they will drop Kosovo as they have done to all the others mentioned.

The US acts in what it deems as its own interests. These Americans are the same people who employed former Nazis to help build there rocket programme after WW2.

Its in there interest for Serbs, Abanians, Croats etc to be divided, as one you were stronger like this you all can be manipulated.

'Because that's what happened between Robot Lobotomy and some Albanians on Newkosovareport: score of "minus two".

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Just in case it changes, here is the actual screenshot:

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Curious, how fast now that will change ;-)
(Je¿ novo-kosowski, 9 January 2011 14:01) '

Nothing says those were Albanian negatives - Peggy has posted there, for example and, I imagine, rated comments.

You crimes were/are 100x of times more crual than the ones of Slovens, Croatians, Bosniaks or even the freedom fighters of Kosova.
(freedom, 10 January 2011 10:14)

You call the terrorists, organ harvesters, drug and stolen cars smugglers etc. "freedom fighters"? Very funny...

USA had supported Taliban, UNITA, Somoza, Trujillo and Reza Pahlavi. And one beautiful day, USA left them!
Time for you is coming, dear K-Albanians!

the crucial point is that it is published.
(Jovan, 10 January 2011 15:55)

And why is that a crucial point ?

the author of the article happens to support what the US government said in regards to the Thaci's affair.

as I have expected it, icj stays silent. ...and I do not really believe that he got my point, I rather think that he does not dare to think what is unthinkable for him.
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

Ha, ha, ha... ! Btw, who said that I'm a "he" ?!



the WP has published something "anti-albanian"...
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

I don't see anything anti-Albanian there. Where did you see it ?!



well, even if he has not realized that it is not quite important whether the author, Mr.Sudetic is of serbian descent at all,
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

that's irrelevant; I care about the arguments somebody gives not where the author was from. And as I said before I agree with what the author of the article suggests.



but that this article has got the "okay" to be printed/published...
in the Washington Post!
(Jovan, 12 January 2011 01:13)

Sure, got the OK of the author and the relevant WP editor... That's how newspapers work.

"you're so unhappy because your beloved dick marty is shown as a man utterly lacking in credibility or objectivity. "
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

he has more credibility and objectivity than all former KLA fighters who play (not very well) politicians in Kosovo nowadays together :-)

also the article said:
"Marty's report does not attack Kosovo's legitimacy"
(icj1, 9 January 2011 23:27)

Not only the article said it, no, Marty itself said it. The only person who tries to turn this report (made by Marty on behalf of the CoE) against a criminal group and its leaders into a case of a "serbo-russian anti-independence network working with nazi methods against all Albanians" has been Thaci. Well, it seems he was rather successful, many Kosovars believe his fairy tale.

Are you saying that the truth means nothing because it's all a matter or who is friends with whom?
Such a wonderful world we live in.
(peggy, 8 January 2011 21:04)

Unfortunately, it's true.

Amer wrote: "You overlooked who wrote this - Chuck Sindic, Carla del Ponte's coauthor - not the Washington Post editorial staff, not some reporter quoting American officials."

Amer, you don´t seem to get it - it´s not so much of importance who wrote this..., the fact that it was printed in the WP is the real point of importance.

there is something written in a US-american newspaper that does not suit you, I know... and there is nothing more you can do than to deny it or to at least play it down...

but, some day in the future you will have no choice, and you´ll wake up from your bad dream.

only a question of time.

Serbia will prevail.

break, mr "objective, neutral" switzerland.

ciao!

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 January 2011 07:28)

hahaha, got that one late and it made me laugh.... don't tell me that I managed to shake your head full of hatry..... no, wasn't my intention... 2011 has well started but you have apparently gone back the other way.
You have a Swiss friend now, how glad I am, maybe it's me ahaaaaa. Let's be serious, you have your views, I have mine and if you don't want to be critized then I suggest that you move on to an albanian site, they will love you there... because this is apparently what you are looking for....
As to our neutrality, well, I believe this is not part of your vocabulary....
As to Mr Marty (would skip the beloved because you use it at any sort of sauces...) he is well regarded in Switzerland for his job but more for his stubborness in uncovering what everyone wants to push under the carpet... So whatch out dude

Nothing says those were Albanian negatives - Peggy has posted there, for example and, I imagine, rated comments.
(Amer, 9 January 2011 23:41)

For good or bad - these ratings are like tribal wars. The fact there is not a single + out there and it's an Albanian side tells a lot. People know - Roberto's comments achieve usually the opposite what the intent was. It adds to the problem that they are lacking any humor, written in unacceptable grammar, egocentric, dumb and ignorant. Neither is a deadly sin - but if pointed out, I never seen Roberto admitting a single mistake or keeping up with a conversation.

Another thing people do not like is that any form of criticism or mocking is funneled into "anti-semitic" tube. Good example was the transformation of "Robot Lobotomy" into "Judeo-Lobotomy".

Ultimately what makes me explode every time I read his ramblings is that they undermine the very progressive things they supposed to support. The results count - not the intent. Probably there is no better Šešelj-advocate out there than Roberto.

I would say, by far the dumbest poster... :(

You overlooked who wrote this - Chuck Sindic, Carla del Ponte's coauthor - not the Washington Post editorial staff, not some reporter quoting American officials. It's probably giving him too much credit to expect him to have mentioned this, and certainly doesn't speak too well of his credibility.
(Amer, 9 January 2011 01:33)

The US had to do something as the silence was roasting it alive, especially after Wiki Leaks.

You see the US is directly linked to this mess as it worked closely with the Albanians and the co authors of this story are US people. Remember that Del Ponte was appointed by the US not by the Serbs.

Even if the authors submitted their article to the Washington Post the Editor would have advised the authorities about this story well in advance. The US control of the media is just as bad as in China or Russia so they could have quashed this story easily as they have done so in the past when the US was at the top of its game.

The problem is that the organ trading business is making a terrible situation even worse for that bastion of freedom and democracy – Wiki Leaks has shown that the US is a chronic liar and appearances are everything in this game.

Are you really this naïve or just play acting. Do you really believe that US media is “free”? Talk about being brain washed.
For your information it’s controlled very closely and there is no freedom of the press where major US interests are concerned.
(sj, 10 January 2011 08:03)
I guess the answer to your questions could be answered by answering the following check points.
Do you see any articles in Major US news that do the following.
1. Criticize the leader (Obama)--most definitely.
2. Criticize US foreign policy (Wars etc)
most definitely.
3. Criticize actions taken by Congress, or the Courts--most definitely.

Now ask the same questions about the Russian free press, or even Serbia.

Kind of ironic you claim the US press is not free in response to an article published that criticizes US involvement in the Kosovo incident. Think about it, does the comment make sense?

"USA had supported Taliban, UNITA, Somoza, Trujillo and Reza Pahlavi. And one beautiful day, USA left them!
Time for you is coming, dear K-Albanians!
(Grzegorz, 10 January 2011 16:20) "

These were individuals or groups temporarily useful in the "struggle against Communism" - not a nation the US promised to support.

To correct a misstatement I made earlier, when I claimed that the Washington Post didn't identify Chuck Sudetic - the following notice was at the bottom of the article: I overlooked it -

'Chuck Sudetic reported from the Balkans during the 1990s and worked for the U.N. war crimes tribunal for Yugoslavia from 2001 to 2005. He co-authored Carla Del Ponte's memoirs, "Madame Prosecutor." '

'Chuck Sudetic reported from the Balkans during the 1990s and worked for the U.N. war crimes tribunal for Yugoslavia from 2001 to 2005. He co-authored Carla Del Ponte's memoirs, "Madame Prosecutor." '
(Amer, 11 January 2011 01:37)

What? He worked for the totally biased and anti-Serbian NATO-court called ICTY? And now he's anti-Albanian? What a funny guy, he doesn't know what he wants. He msut be schizophrenic! Eh... STOP! Could it be (only maybe) that he's only doing his job and, as a good reporter, wants the truth to be discovered? It means he's an expert in the case and has a lot of knowledge about the region and the things that happened in EX-YU, compared to people who comment only from the distance.

as I have expected it, icj stays silent. ...and I do not really believe that he got my point, I rather think that he does not dare to think what is unthinkable for him.

the WP has published something "anti-albanian"..

well, even if he has not realized that it is not quite important whether the author, Mr.Sudetic is of serbian descent at all, but that this article has got the "okay" to be printed/published...

in the Washington Post!

well, let´s just see what future brings!

Are you really this naïve or just play acting. Do you really believe that US media is “free”? Talk about being brain washed.
For your information it’s controlled very closely and there is no freedom of the press where major US interests are concerned.
(sj, 10 January 2011 08:03)

Dude, we can speak about cospiracy theories all day if you want; they may make a good movie....

However, they do criticize the govoernment there regardless of how major the interest is. Find me a Russia Today article to say that Russia is a mafia state...