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Monday, 01.03.2010.

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French FM holds meetings in Belgrade

French FM Bernard Kouchner is in Belgrade, where he has met with President Boris Tadić, and also with Deputy PM Božidar Đelić, and FM Vuk Jeremić.

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The Swiss

pre 14 godina

for all the people that ever believed in Frances Friendship for Serbia, eager to forget that the Serbs gave the French the only military victory ever. How could you miss this all?
(Petervandergaast, 1 March 2010 22:16)

Geees, you are obsessed by the trees, you should immport them into Holland.
By the way, I was last weekend in Belgrade and saw the cutting, indeed it looks strange and empty but looking at the health of the trees, hummm, some of them really look terrible.
But the good thing is that they will replace all of them and even more, renew the complete canalization, water, electricity and communication and make the all bvd more attractive with a "real" tramway.
So maybe you should register for the round of wood cutting in about 20 years...

Jason

pre 14 godina

The above coment is not mine and hope b92 does not pull a stunt like this one again.
My words were as follows:"If you can get a serb pasport in cafe/bar than that passport is worthless".
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 15:20)

Well, maybe if you did not write blatantly false, incorrect, or dishonest rubbish here on a daily basis it would easier to distinguish you from... you.

- and stop with the conspiracy garbage. B-92 could give a flip about you, me, or anyone else on here.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 13:36)

To all posters, and especially b92 editor

The above coment is not mine and hope b92 does not pull a stunt like this one again.
My words were as follows:"If you can get a serb pasport in cafe/bar than that passport is worthless".

Ataman

pre 14 godina

I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 13:36)

Kosova-USA, what happened with your copy-paste?
Looks like either Master Yoda controls your mind... or maybe you should not use that Dell. Get some fresh fruit instead. One Apple a day never hurts.

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did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?
(Kosova-USA, 1 March 2010 17:52)

Not as advanced (yet) as in India, the biggest supporter of Kosova Republic out there - and BTW world's largest democracy. But hope dies the last: you hope India will recognize you one day, we hope the human rights and democracy in China and Russia will improve. Our hopes are easier to become the reality.

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May the Force be with us.
(John, 1 March 2010 18:06)

Don't worry - it's a done deal with the Force, much like the deal Dr. Faustus made.
Because of UDI and Lord Hashish Thaci and Yellow House a certain side of the force is already claimed, the Force is with you, you are set. Unfortunately Lord Thaci can't have both sides of the Force with him - he is not the Chosen One. That was reserved for Lord Vader. Lord Thaci is merely an apprentice and we all know who is his Master. ;-P

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.

Canadian-Albanian

pre 14 godina

Serbia should especially not associate with the ex Jugoslav republics, for they did Serbia more harm than any outsider.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 March 2010 13:01)


As far as I know no ex yugoslav republic fought inside serbia. They all liberated their countries from serb radicals who wanted the so-called "Greater Serbia".
Serbian stupid dream was turned into nightmare so be careful what you wish for.
BTW the only harm that came to Serbia it was from NATO bombs and not from ex Yugoslav republics.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"After Belgrade, he will travel to the province, to meet with Kosovo officials in Priština, and he will also tour the Serbian monastery of Gračanica, it was reported on Sunday."

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.

Better yet, maybe one of Pristina's "democrats" can accompany him to visit their "Kosovar" citizens of Serbian descent?

Ataman, in light of the recent GPS information, it can only mean one thing: Serb hackers breached Garmin's security network too :)

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

Mr. B Kouchner knows well the circumstances in Kosovo before the war. Hence, he is an ardent supporter of Kosovo's independence.
1- one has to remember that Mr. Kouchner as founder of "doctors without borders" was the one who confirmed the massive poisoning of Kosovar pupils in '89 and '90 after a thorough investigation of the yellow powdery substance found in many high schools in and around Pec. Many don't know but his findings suggest involvement of Serb secret police and substances used and handled only by Yugoslav Army.

2-In addition, he was the first UN administrator in Kosovo after war. Thus, he saw the aftermath and witnessed first hand the destruction of Kosovo by Serb paid mercenaries, military and paramilitary. At a point he shed tears as he visited a family in the village of Saradran near Pec whose members were killed and thrown into a water well.

3- While Sarkozy was not clear on Kosovo issue and Kouchner was an expert so to say, it fell upon him to decide on all topics related to Kosovo. Hence, he was granted the position of French FM.

How in the world one expects him to be sympathetic to Serb cause?

L

pre 14 godina

Serbia will give up its holly land Kosovo when chatolics give up Vatica, when jews give up Jerusalem or moslom give up Meca. If it is so easy to give up your soUL, lets see how rest of you would give up yours. Explain please. Stealing it won't do. Look for better ways to solve this very complex problem.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?
(Kosova-USA, 1 March 2010 17:52)

but let's be fair and not forget the biggest democracy in the world namely the United States of Arrogance with troops in about 150 states and bases in about 40, a true proven track record difficult to beat for sure!!

Petervandergaast

pre 14 godina

You all misunderstood what happened. Kouchner visited Djindjic grave and discovered that even there all the trees were cut, like that same day the Kralj Alexander Boulevard was shaven. He realized that a compromise is possible at the condition that the whole of Kosovo should be shaven of trees first. The wood can be sold to Nikolic, making coffins for all the people that ever believed in Frances Friendship for Serbia, eager to forget that the Serbs gave the French the only military victory ever. How could you miss this all?

Demi

pre 14 godina

Thirdly, it is the Serbo-Albanians that need to be looking forward. Accept the fact you are Serbian citizens, living within its borders.

-Trudsaam

And what if we don't want to accept that we are serbian citizens ?

kalifornia

pre 14 godina

I am sure that after Kouchner greets the K Albanians with a big "Oui oui", he will continue pacifying them with more empty promises of a bright future in the warm bosom of the EU. It has been more than ten years since the west's "humanitarian intervention", yet nothing has really improved for the residents of Kosovo. Serbs and Albanians are not any closer to finding a mutual solution, maybe even further. All I can say to the EU is, you made your bed in Kosovo, now sleep in it. Do not ask the Serbs now to do your dirty work, for the decaying EU carrot you keep dangling in front of it.

John

pre 14 godina

Master Yoda would say: "Funny history books you have..."
(Ataman, 1 March 2010 16:16)

Well, Master Yoda will be at least pleased to read that Serbia doesn't go up to Tokio, right?

May the Force be with us.

winston

pre 14 godina

This French FM talks big, for such a little guy. I guess Sarkozy doesn't want anyone to over shadow him in his administration. But talking big is just that, talk. France was an accomplice in the mess created in Kosovo, and now they want Serbia to solve it. Kouchner would have more luck telling the Israeli's and Palestinians to join hands, and dance "kolo" in a sign of unity.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

For France perhaps, but who cares? Most of the free world is support Serbians territorial integrity.
(trudsaam, 1 March 2010 15:45)

I would like to name just few countries of your so called "Free world", as follows; North Korea,Venezuela,Iran,Lybia,
Vietnam,Zair(republic of Kongo), and the list goes on and on , my friend.
Good luck with your free world!
did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Beni, lay off the cocktails so early in the day. Serbia's best interest would be to play the EU like a fiddle. Keep saying, yes we will play along, but do what is in its own best interests - and that means playing all sides. Develop relations with emerging market nations, where the future financial strength is, while at the same time accepting the delicious cookies the EU serves up. The EU and US does what is in their interest, so Serbia must do the same. When playing with snakes, you must act like a snake. BTW, Serbia isn't, and will not be isolated from anything. It has excellent relations with nations all across the globe. Look around Albanian Kosovo though, and see who is truly isolated.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue
(TOtO, 1 March 2010 15:08)

Yes, it is. At least let's be honest to ourself about ourself and face the reality on the ground. Unlike some... Ёжик from NY. ;-)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6541/collage.png

Ataman

pre 14 godina

The territory where Serbia was created was most of it Albanian territory and other to like Bulgarians Macedonians etc.
(Beni, 1 March 2010 14:34)

I agree - Naboo, too, was Albanian territory, Gungans included. :-P
Master Yoda would say: "Funny history books you have..."

TOtO

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue, Serbia must look forward and they know that but some politicians need votes from Kosovo Serbs and nationalists. kosovo was lost only because serbian politic.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue, Serbia must look forward and they know that but some politicians need votes from Kosovo Serbs and nationalists. kosovo was lost only because serbian politic.
(TOtO)
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Firstly, Kosovo is Serbia so nothing was lost. Secondly, the situation is what it is due to temporary Foreign occupation. Thirdly, it is the Serbo-Albanians that need to be looking forward. Accept the fact you are Serbian citizens, living within its borders. Forthly, is you call Serbs who support its territory integrity nationalists, what are the Serbo-Albanians by that standard? hmmmm... terrorists?

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is a done deal for FRANCE
(drarc, 1 March 2010 13:45)
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For France perhaps, but who cares? Most of the free world is support Serbians territorial integrity.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Not linked directly to Kouchner - but browsing my own pictures I just found the evidence, everyone in USA supports the stand of the American government. What you see on my picture is the reality on the ground, do Serbs like it or not. ;-)

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3931/img2602g.jpg

Who does not believe - I can demonstrate it in person.

Garmin is THE leading GPS company, it's based in Kansas

http://www8.garmin.com/aboutGarmin

and as far as I know there is no other option in a southern part of ... I mean, sorry, in Kosovo Republic only Garmin from Kansas. And Garmin sadly sez: Gracanica is in Srbija, regardless what a village idiot from Texas made us believe.

Enjoy!

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

PRN,
as long as Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo's UDI, the longer Kosovo Albanians will never develop into a prosperous and successful nation. So clearly the choice belongs to the Albanians.

So let's allow the EU to keep throwing money into the bottomless pit of Southern Kosovo.

PRN

pre 14 godina

Kuschner is becoming even more explicit that unless you accept (not necessary recognize at present) the reality that Kosovo is TOTALLY independent (as so most of the EU believe), forget the EU, and moreover ISOLATION for Serbia is looming.

The choice is yours:

Serbia + Russia = Isolation + underdevelopment

or

Serbia + recognition of Kosovo = Improving relations with USA, EU membership + economic progress

Beni

pre 14 godina

Let me say a fact about Serbia.

The fact is that Serbia was created from Russia, France and England against interest of Austro Hungary and Germany. The territory where Serbia was created was most of it Albanian territory and other to like Bulgarians Macedonians etc. Why Serbia was created on Albanian territories was that Germany was against idea that Serbia to lay in north or west part of Balkans. Otto Bismarck said that Albanians are wild people Serbia should lay in south take Albanians land not north or west. So you know now why Kushner is key factor about Balkans because they created Serbia and they liberated Kosova from Serbia.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

It's like the Russians said,
" we can't be more Serb then Serbs themselves".
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 March 2010 13:01)
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In fact, they said Kosovo is ours and only we can give it away. There is truth in that and the reason we are being told to give it away if we want to join the EU. Question being is limp Tadić going to obey his masters?

This "done deal" that "Kosova" is to them is their problem, not ours. They are the ones struggling to revive this stillbirth. Also, when it comes to EU membership, what does it have to offer now? The debate has switched to which EU member is worst off (instead of better off). Even Mircea has kept quiet recently. "Long live the European Union" is beginning to sound like "Long live the Soviet Union".

Lets see what Tadić does next. If anyone is going to weaken our hold on the province, it will be him.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Mikael C,
i totally agree with your point of view!

It's like the Russians said,
" we can't be more Serb then Serbs themselves".

Serbia needs to better their relationships with the B.R.I.C. friendly countries, and totally alienate the countries that have done harm.

Serbia should especially not associate with the ex Jugoslav republics, for they did Serbia more harm than any outsider.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

Kouchner will be gone, when Serbia will come back, ...and Serbia will come back impressively.

as for those who really believe that Serbia has to give up something in order to join the EU: don´t fool yourselves, they need Serbia much more inside the EU than Serbia needs the EU.

just remember how our dear albanian friends were cheering and celebrating about the Netherlands blocking Serbia´s further way into the EU...

who has been forced to retreat from their demanding position?

do you hear the rings bell?

...back to the french official, this man has no relevance in regard to solving the question of our occupied southern province.

so actually, this is not worth being discussed.

John

pre 14 godina

Mikael C, do you have any other proposals except for the suggestion that Serbia turns to Russia and flaming against the West while living in "evil" Sweden which recognized Kosovo? I understand that you don't have to live with the consequences for Serbia's isolation in case somebody tries to implement what you fiercly wants. But I understand, the world can burn as long as "Kosovo is Serbia". Well, in Sweden it won't burn, certainly.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

For all those Serbs that live in denial there won't be an EU unless we give up our territory. And I don't mean Kosovo only but the rest of what reamains of Serbia and Republica Srpska. Serbia should not trust people and nations who want to enslave Serbs and their nation and accept the burning down of our churches and monasteries by terrorist albanians. The only way we can remain strong and prosperous is to turn to mother Russia. Signing away our province of Kosovo is more than just loosing 12% of our sacret land. What's more important is that Serbia has been bombed, sanctioned and ripped appart and now asked to recognize those crimes as legitimate. Besides, should Serbia accept an independent Kosovo albanians will spread throughout Serbia and one day claim other areas as well. The albanians haven't even begun their expansion. Just as other muslims the only thing they can do is have loads of children. To satisfy the majority albanians Europe will have such a tight grip on Serbia that we will have to accept any solution presented to us without hesitation. Europe is accepting the horrible treatment of Serbs in Kosovo and Croatia so don't be fooled about what the future will bring. This isn't only about Kosovo, its about the future of the Serbian nation and its people. Say no to hypocrisy by electing the radicals. They will have closer ties to Russia and hopefully the Russians will arm us enough to discourage any more aggression on our people. Then, and only then, will America and Europe stop its aggression on our people.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

For all those Serbs that live in denial there won't be an EU unless we give up our territory. And I don't mean Kosovo only but the rest of what reamains of Serbia and Republica Srpska. Serbia should not trust people and nations who want to enslave Serbs and their nation and accept the burning down of our churches and monasteries by terrorist albanians. The only way we can remain strong and prosperous is to turn to mother Russia. Signing away our province of Kosovo is more than just loosing 12% of our sacret land. What's more important is that Serbia has been bombed, sanctioned and ripped appart and now asked to recognize those crimes as legitimate. Besides, should Serbia accept an independent Kosovo albanians will spread throughout Serbia and one day claim other areas as well. The albanians haven't even begun their expansion. Just as other muslims the only thing they can do is have loads of children. To satisfy the majority albanians Europe will have such a tight grip on Serbia that we will have to accept any solution presented to us without hesitation. Europe is accepting the horrible treatment of Serbs in Kosovo and Croatia so don't be fooled about what the future will bring. This isn't only about Kosovo, its about the future of the Serbian nation and its people. Say no to hypocrisy by electing the radicals. They will have closer ties to Russia and hopefully the Russians will arm us enough to discourage any more aggression on our people. Then, and only then, will America and Europe stop its aggression on our people.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Mikael C,
i totally agree with your point of view!

It's like the Russians said,
" we can't be more Serb then Serbs themselves".

Serbia needs to better their relationships with the B.R.I.C. friendly countries, and totally alienate the countries that have done harm.

Serbia should especially not associate with the ex Jugoslav republics, for they did Serbia more harm than any outsider.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

Kouchner will be gone, when Serbia will come back, ...and Serbia will come back impressively.

as for those who really believe that Serbia has to give up something in order to join the EU: don´t fool yourselves, they need Serbia much more inside the EU than Serbia needs the EU.

just remember how our dear albanian friends were cheering and celebrating about the Netherlands blocking Serbia´s further way into the EU...

who has been forced to retreat from their demanding position?

do you hear the rings bell?

...back to the french official, this man has no relevance in regard to solving the question of our occupied southern province.

so actually, this is not worth being discussed.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

PRN,
as long as Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo's UDI, the longer Kosovo Albanians will never develop into a prosperous and successful nation. So clearly the choice belongs to the Albanians.

So let's allow the EU to keep throwing money into the bottomless pit of Southern Kosovo.

TOtO

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue, Serbia must look forward and they know that but some politicians need votes from Kosovo Serbs and nationalists. kosovo was lost only because serbian politic.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

It's like the Russians said,
" we can't be more Serb then Serbs themselves".
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 March 2010 13:01)
--
In fact, they said Kosovo is ours and only we can give it away. There is truth in that and the reason we are being told to give it away if we want to join the EU. Question being is limp Tadić going to obey his masters?

This "done deal" that "Kosova" is to them is their problem, not ours. They are the ones struggling to revive this stillbirth. Also, when it comes to EU membership, what does it have to offer now? The debate has switched to which EU member is worst off (instead of better off). Even Mircea has kept quiet recently. "Long live the European Union" is beginning to sound like "Long live the Soviet Union".

Lets see what Tadić does next. If anyone is going to weaken our hold on the province, it will be him.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is a done deal for FRANCE
(drarc, 1 March 2010 13:45)
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For France perhaps, but who cares? Most of the free world is support Serbians territorial integrity.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue, Serbia must look forward and they know that but some politicians need votes from Kosovo Serbs and nationalists. kosovo was lost only because serbian politic.
(TOtO)
-
Firstly, Kosovo is Serbia so nothing was lost. Secondly, the situation is what it is due to temporary Foreign occupation. Thirdly, it is the Serbo-Albanians that need to be looking forward. Accept the fact you are Serbian citizens, living within its borders. Forthly, is you call Serbs who support its territory integrity nationalists, what are the Serbo-Albanians by that standard? hmmmm... terrorists?

Ataman

pre 14 godina

The territory where Serbia was created was most of it Albanian territory and other to like Bulgarians Macedonians etc.
(Beni, 1 March 2010 14:34)

I agree - Naboo, too, was Albanian territory, Gungans included. :-P
Master Yoda would say: "Funny history books you have..."

John

pre 14 godina

Mikael C, do you have any other proposals except for the suggestion that Serbia turns to Russia and flaming against the West while living in "evil" Sweden which recognized Kosovo? I understand that you don't have to live with the consequences for Serbia's isolation in case somebody tries to implement what you fiercly wants. But I understand, the world can burn as long as "Kosovo is Serbia". Well, in Sweden it won't burn, certainly.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Not linked directly to Kouchner - but browsing my own pictures I just found the evidence, everyone in USA supports the stand of the American government. What you see on my picture is the reality on the ground, do Serbs like it or not. ;-)

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3931/img2602g.jpg

Who does not believe - I can demonstrate it in person.

Garmin is THE leading GPS company, it's based in Kansas

http://www8.garmin.com/aboutGarmin

and as far as I know there is no other option in a southern part of ... I mean, sorry, in Kosovo Republic only Garmin from Kansas. And Garmin sadly sez: Gracanica is in Srbija, regardless what a village idiot from Texas made us believe.

Enjoy!

PRN

pre 14 godina

Kuschner is becoming even more explicit that unless you accept (not necessary recognize at present) the reality that Kosovo is TOTALLY independent (as so most of the EU believe), forget the EU, and moreover ISOLATION for Serbia is looming.

The choice is yours:

Serbia + Russia = Isolation + underdevelopment

or

Serbia + recognition of Kosovo = Improving relations with USA, EU membership + economic progress

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue
(TOtO, 1 March 2010 15:08)

Yes, it is. At least let's be honest to ourself about ourself and face the reality on the ground. Unlike some... Ёжик from NY. ;-)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6541/collage.png

Beni

pre 14 godina

Let me say a fact about Serbia.

The fact is that Serbia was created from Russia, France and England against interest of Austro Hungary and Germany. The territory where Serbia was created was most of it Albanian territory and other to like Bulgarians Macedonians etc. Why Serbia was created on Albanian territories was that Germany was against idea that Serbia to lay in north or west part of Balkans. Otto Bismarck said that Albanians are wild people Serbia should lay in south take Albanians land not north or west. So you know now why Kushner is key factor about Balkans because they created Serbia and they liberated Kosova from Serbia.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

For France perhaps, but who cares? Most of the free world is support Serbians territorial integrity.
(trudsaam, 1 March 2010 15:45)

I would like to name just few countries of your so called "Free world", as follows; North Korea,Venezuela,Iran,Lybia,
Vietnam,Zair(republic of Kongo), and the list goes on and on , my friend.
Good luck with your free world!
did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?

kalifornia

pre 14 godina

I am sure that after Kouchner greets the K Albanians with a big "Oui oui", he will continue pacifying them with more empty promises of a bright future in the warm bosom of the EU. It has been more than ten years since the west's "humanitarian intervention", yet nothing has really improved for the residents of Kosovo. Serbs and Albanians are not any closer to finding a mutual solution, maybe even further. All I can say to the EU is, you made your bed in Kosovo, now sleep in it. Do not ask the Serbs now to do your dirty work, for the decaying EU carrot you keep dangling in front of it.

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Beni, lay off the cocktails so early in the day. Serbia's best interest would be to play the EU like a fiddle. Keep saying, yes we will play along, but do what is in its own best interests - and that means playing all sides. Develop relations with emerging market nations, where the future financial strength is, while at the same time accepting the delicious cookies the EU serves up. The EU and US does what is in their interest, so Serbia must do the same. When playing with snakes, you must act like a snake. BTW, Serbia isn't, and will not be isolated from anything. It has excellent relations with nations all across the globe. Look around Albanian Kosovo though, and see who is truly isolated.

winston

pre 14 godina

This French FM talks big, for such a little guy. I guess Sarkozy doesn't want anyone to over shadow him in his administration. But talking big is just that, talk. France was an accomplice in the mess created in Kosovo, and now they want Serbia to solve it. Kouchner would have more luck telling the Israeli's and Palestinians to join hands, and dance "kolo" in a sign of unity.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?
(Kosova-USA, 1 March 2010 17:52)

but let's be fair and not forget the biggest democracy in the world namely the United States of Arrogance with troops in about 150 states and bases in about 40, a true proven track record difficult to beat for sure!!

Petervandergaast

pre 14 godina

You all misunderstood what happened. Kouchner visited Djindjic grave and discovered that even there all the trees were cut, like that same day the Kralj Alexander Boulevard was shaven. He realized that a compromise is possible at the condition that the whole of Kosovo should be shaven of trees first. The wood can be sold to Nikolic, making coffins for all the people that ever believed in Frances Friendship for Serbia, eager to forget that the Serbs gave the French the only military victory ever. How could you miss this all?

John

pre 14 godina

Master Yoda would say: "Funny history books you have..."
(Ataman, 1 March 2010 16:16)

Well, Master Yoda will be at least pleased to read that Serbia doesn't go up to Tokio, right?

May the Force be with us.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"After Belgrade, he will travel to the province, to meet with Kosovo officials in Priština, and he will also tour the Serbian monastery of Gračanica, it was reported on Sunday."

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.

Better yet, maybe one of Pristina's "democrats" can accompany him to visit their "Kosovar" citizens of Serbian descent?

Ataman, in light of the recent GPS information, it can only mean one thing: Serb hackers breached Garmin's security network too :)

Canadian-Albanian

pre 14 godina

Serbia should especially not associate with the ex Jugoslav republics, for they did Serbia more harm than any outsider.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 March 2010 13:01)


As far as I know no ex yugoslav republic fought inside serbia. They all liberated their countries from serb radicals who wanted the so-called "Greater Serbia".
Serbian stupid dream was turned into nightmare so be careful what you wish for.
BTW the only harm that came to Serbia it was from NATO bombs and not from ex Yugoslav republics.

L

pre 14 godina

Serbia will give up its holly land Kosovo when chatolics give up Vatica, when jews give up Jerusalem or moslom give up Meca. If it is so easy to give up your soUL, lets see how rest of you would give up yours. Explain please. Stealing it won't do. Look for better ways to solve this very complex problem.

Demi

pre 14 godina

Thirdly, it is the Serbo-Albanians that need to be looking forward. Accept the fact you are Serbian citizens, living within its borders.

-Trudsaam

And what if we don't want to accept that we are serbian citizens ?

Jason

pre 14 godina

The above coment is not mine and hope b92 does not pull a stunt like this one again.
My words were as follows:"If you can get a serb pasport in cafe/bar than that passport is worthless".
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 15:20)

Well, maybe if you did not write blatantly false, incorrect, or dishonest rubbish here on a daily basis it would easier to distinguish you from... you.

- and stop with the conspiracy garbage. B-92 could give a flip about you, me, or anyone else on here.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 13:36)

Kosova-USA, what happened with your copy-paste?
Looks like either Master Yoda controls your mind... or maybe you should not use that Dell. Get some fresh fruit instead. One Apple a day never hurts.

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did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?
(Kosova-USA, 1 March 2010 17:52)

Not as advanced (yet) as in India, the biggest supporter of Kosova Republic out there - and BTW world's largest democracy. But hope dies the last: you hope India will recognize you one day, we hope the human rights and democracy in China and Russia will improve. Our hopes are easier to become the reality.

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May the Force be with us.
(John, 1 March 2010 18:06)

Don't worry - it's a done deal with the Force, much like the deal Dr. Faustus made.
Because of UDI and Lord Hashish Thaci and Yellow House a certain side of the force is already claimed, the Force is with you, you are set. Unfortunately Lord Thaci can't have both sides of the Force with him - he is not the Chosen One. That was reserved for Lord Vader. Lord Thaci is merely an apprentice and we all know who is his Master. ;-P

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 13:36)

To all posters, and especially b92 editor

The above coment is not mine and hope b92 does not pull a stunt like this one again.
My words were as follows:"If you can get a serb pasport in cafe/bar than that passport is worthless".

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

Mr. B Kouchner knows well the circumstances in Kosovo before the war. Hence, he is an ardent supporter of Kosovo's independence.
1- one has to remember that Mr. Kouchner as founder of "doctors without borders" was the one who confirmed the massive poisoning of Kosovar pupils in '89 and '90 after a thorough investigation of the yellow powdery substance found in many high schools in and around Pec. Many don't know but his findings suggest involvement of Serb secret police and substances used and handled only by Yugoslav Army.

2-In addition, he was the first UN administrator in Kosovo after war. Thus, he saw the aftermath and witnessed first hand the destruction of Kosovo by Serb paid mercenaries, military and paramilitary. At a point he shed tears as he visited a family in the village of Saradran near Pec whose members were killed and thrown into a water well.

3- While Sarkozy was not clear on Kosovo issue and Kouchner was an expert so to say, it fell upon him to decide on all topics related to Kosovo. Hence, he was granted the position of French FM.

How in the world one expects him to be sympathetic to Serb cause?

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

for all the people that ever believed in Frances Friendship for Serbia, eager to forget that the Serbs gave the French the only military victory ever. How could you miss this all?
(Petervandergaast, 1 March 2010 22:16)

Geees, you are obsessed by the trees, you should immport them into Holland.
By the way, I was last weekend in Belgrade and saw the cutting, indeed it looks strange and empty but looking at the health of the trees, hummm, some of them really look terrible.
But the good thing is that they will replace all of them and even more, renew the complete canalization, water, electricity and communication and make the all bvd more attractive with a "real" tramway.
So maybe you should register for the round of wood cutting in about 20 years...

PRN

pre 14 godina

Kuschner is becoming even more explicit that unless you accept (not necessary recognize at present) the reality that Kosovo is TOTALLY independent (as so most of the EU believe), forget the EU, and moreover ISOLATION for Serbia is looming.

The choice is yours:

Serbia + Russia = Isolation + underdevelopment

or

Serbia + recognition of Kosovo = Improving relations with USA, EU membership + economic progress

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

For all those Serbs that live in denial there won't be an EU unless we give up our territory. And I don't mean Kosovo only but the rest of what reamains of Serbia and Republica Srpska. Serbia should not trust people and nations who want to enslave Serbs and their nation and accept the burning down of our churches and monasteries by terrorist albanians. The only way we can remain strong and prosperous is to turn to mother Russia. Signing away our province of Kosovo is more than just loosing 12% of our sacret land. What's more important is that Serbia has been bombed, sanctioned and ripped appart and now asked to recognize those crimes as legitimate. Besides, should Serbia accept an independent Kosovo albanians will spread throughout Serbia and one day claim other areas as well. The albanians haven't even begun their expansion. Just as other muslims the only thing they can do is have loads of children. To satisfy the majority albanians Europe will have such a tight grip on Serbia that we will have to accept any solution presented to us without hesitation. Europe is accepting the horrible treatment of Serbs in Kosovo and Croatia so don't be fooled about what the future will bring. This isn't only about Kosovo, its about the future of the Serbian nation and its people. Say no to hypocrisy by electing the radicals. They will have closer ties to Russia and hopefully the Russians will arm us enough to discourage any more aggression on our people. Then, and only then, will America and Europe stop its aggression on our people.

Beni

pre 14 godina

Let me say a fact about Serbia.

The fact is that Serbia was created from Russia, France and England against interest of Austro Hungary and Germany. The territory where Serbia was created was most of it Albanian territory and other to like Bulgarians Macedonians etc. Why Serbia was created on Albanian territories was that Germany was against idea that Serbia to lay in north or west part of Balkans. Otto Bismarck said that Albanians are wild people Serbia should lay in south take Albanians land not north or west. So you know now why Kushner is key factor about Balkans because they created Serbia and they liberated Kosova from Serbia.

John

pre 14 godina

Mikael C, do you have any other proposals except for the suggestion that Serbia turns to Russia and flaming against the West while living in "evil" Sweden which recognized Kosovo? I understand that you don't have to live with the consequences for Serbia's isolation in case somebody tries to implement what you fiercly wants. But I understand, the world can burn as long as "Kosovo is Serbia". Well, in Sweden it won't burn, certainly.

TOtO

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue, Serbia must look forward and they know that but some politicians need votes from Kosovo Serbs and nationalists. kosovo was lost only because serbian politic.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

The territory where Serbia was created was most of it Albanian territory and other to like Bulgarians Macedonians etc.
(Beni, 1 March 2010 14:34)

I agree - Naboo, too, was Albanian territory, Gungans included. :-P
Master Yoda would say: "Funny history books you have..."

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Mikael C,
i totally agree with your point of view!

It's like the Russians said,
" we can't be more Serb then Serbs themselves".

Serbia needs to better their relationships with the B.R.I.C. friendly countries, and totally alienate the countries that have done harm.

Serbia should especially not associate with the ex Jugoslav republics, for they did Serbia more harm than any outsider.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is a done deal for FRANCE
(drarc, 1 March 2010 13:45)
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For France perhaps, but who cares? Most of the free world is support Serbians territorial integrity.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue, Serbia must look forward and they know that but some politicians need votes from Kosovo Serbs and nationalists. kosovo was lost only because serbian politic.
(TOtO)
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Firstly, Kosovo is Serbia so nothing was lost. Secondly, the situation is what it is due to temporary Foreign occupation. Thirdly, it is the Serbo-Albanians that need to be looking forward. Accept the fact you are Serbian citizens, living within its borders. Forthly, is you call Serbs who support its territory integrity nationalists, what are the Serbo-Albanians by that standard? hmmmm... terrorists?

John

pre 14 godina

Master Yoda would say: "Funny history books you have..."
(Ataman, 1 March 2010 16:16)

Well, Master Yoda will be at least pleased to read that Serbia doesn't go up to Tokio, right?

May the Force be with us.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

Kouchner will be gone, when Serbia will come back, ...and Serbia will come back impressively.

as for those who really believe that Serbia has to give up something in order to join the EU: don´t fool yourselves, they need Serbia much more inside the EU than Serbia needs the EU.

just remember how our dear albanian friends were cheering and celebrating about the Netherlands blocking Serbia´s further way into the EU...

who has been forced to retreat from their demanding position?

do you hear the rings bell?

...back to the french official, this man has no relevance in regard to solving the question of our occupied southern province.

so actually, this is not worth being discussed.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

PRN,
as long as Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo's UDI, the longer Kosovo Albanians will never develop into a prosperous and successful nation. So clearly the choice belongs to the Albanians.

So let's allow the EU to keep throwing money into the bottomless pit of Southern Kosovo.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

For France perhaps, but who cares? Most of the free world is support Serbians territorial integrity.
(trudsaam, 1 March 2010 15:45)

I would like to name just few countries of your so called "Free world", as follows; North Korea,Venezuela,Iran,Lybia,
Vietnam,Zair(republic of Kongo), and the list goes on and on , my friend.
Good luck with your free world!
did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?

Zoran

pre 14 godina

It's like the Russians said,
" we can't be more Serb then Serbs themselves".
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 March 2010 13:01)
--
In fact, they said Kosovo is ours and only we can give it away. There is truth in that and the reason we are being told to give it away if we want to join the EU. Question being is limp Tadić going to obey his masters?

This "done deal" that "Kosova" is to them is their problem, not ours. They are the ones struggling to revive this stillbirth. Also, when it comes to EU membership, what does it have to offer now? The debate has switched to which EU member is worst off (instead of better off). Even Mircea has kept quiet recently. "Long live the European Union" is beginning to sound like "Long live the Soviet Union".

Lets see what Tadić does next. If anyone is going to weaken our hold on the province, it will be him.

Demi

pre 14 godina

Thirdly, it is the Serbo-Albanians that need to be looking forward. Accept the fact you are Serbian citizens, living within its borders.

-Trudsaam

And what if we don't want to accept that we are serbian citizens ?

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Kosovo is done issue
(TOtO, 1 March 2010 15:08)

Yes, it is. At least let's be honest to ourself about ourself and face the reality on the ground. Unlike some... Ёжик from NY. ;-)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6541/collage.png

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Not linked directly to Kouchner - but browsing my own pictures I just found the evidence, everyone in USA supports the stand of the American government. What you see on my picture is the reality on the ground, do Serbs like it or not. ;-)

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/3931/img2602g.jpg

Who does not believe - I can demonstrate it in person.

Garmin is THE leading GPS company, it's based in Kansas

http://www8.garmin.com/aboutGarmin

and as far as I know there is no other option in a southern part of ... I mean, sorry, in Kosovo Republic only Garmin from Kansas. And Garmin sadly sez: Gracanica is in Srbija, regardless what a village idiot from Texas made us believe.

Enjoy!

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Beni, lay off the cocktails so early in the day. Serbia's best interest would be to play the EU like a fiddle. Keep saying, yes we will play along, but do what is in its own best interests - and that means playing all sides. Develop relations with emerging market nations, where the future financial strength is, while at the same time accepting the delicious cookies the EU serves up. The EU and US does what is in their interest, so Serbia must do the same. When playing with snakes, you must act like a snake. BTW, Serbia isn't, and will not be isolated from anything. It has excellent relations with nations all across the globe. Look around Albanian Kosovo though, and see who is truly isolated.

kalifornia

pre 14 godina

I am sure that after Kouchner greets the K Albanians with a big "Oui oui", he will continue pacifying them with more empty promises of a bright future in the warm bosom of the EU. It has been more than ten years since the west's "humanitarian intervention", yet nothing has really improved for the residents of Kosovo. Serbs and Albanians are not any closer to finding a mutual solution, maybe even further. All I can say to the EU is, you made your bed in Kosovo, now sleep in it. Do not ask the Serbs now to do your dirty work, for the decaying EU carrot you keep dangling in front of it.

winston

pre 14 godina

This French FM talks big, for such a little guy. I guess Sarkozy doesn't want anyone to over shadow him in his administration. But talking big is just that, talk. France was an accomplice in the mess created in Kosovo, and now they want Serbia to solve it. Kouchner would have more luck telling the Israeli's and Palestinians to join hands, and dance "kolo" in a sign of unity.

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

Mr. B Kouchner knows well the circumstances in Kosovo before the war. Hence, he is an ardent supporter of Kosovo's independence.
1- one has to remember that Mr. Kouchner as founder of "doctors without borders" was the one who confirmed the massive poisoning of Kosovar pupils in '89 and '90 after a thorough investigation of the yellow powdery substance found in many high schools in and around Pec. Many don't know but his findings suggest involvement of Serb secret police and substances used and handled only by Yugoslav Army.

2-In addition, he was the first UN administrator in Kosovo after war. Thus, he saw the aftermath and witnessed first hand the destruction of Kosovo by Serb paid mercenaries, military and paramilitary. At a point he shed tears as he visited a family in the village of Saradran near Pec whose members were killed and thrown into a water well.

3- While Sarkozy was not clear on Kosovo issue and Kouchner was an expert so to say, it fell upon him to decide on all topics related to Kosovo. Hence, he was granted the position of French FM.

How in the world one expects him to be sympathetic to Serb cause?

Canadian-Albanian

pre 14 godina

Serbia should especially not associate with the ex Jugoslav republics, for they did Serbia more harm than any outsider.
(Another Canadian Serb, 1 March 2010 13:01)


As far as I know no ex yugoslav republic fought inside serbia. They all liberated their countries from serb radicals who wanted the so-called "Greater Serbia".
Serbian stupid dream was turned into nightmare so be careful what you wish for.
BTW the only harm that came to Serbia it was from NATO bombs and not from ex Yugoslav republics.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?
(Kosova-USA, 1 March 2010 17:52)

but let's be fair and not forget the biggest democracy in the world namely the United States of Arrogance with troops in about 150 states and bases in about 40, a true proven track record difficult to beat for sure!!

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 13:36)

To all posters, and especially b92 editor

The above coment is not mine and hope b92 does not pull a stunt like this one again.
My words were as follows:"If you can get a serb pasport in cafe/bar than that passport is worthless".

Petervandergaast

pre 14 godina

You all misunderstood what happened. Kouchner visited Djindjic grave and discovered that even there all the trees were cut, like that same day the Kralj Alexander Boulevard was shaven. He realized that a compromise is possible at the condition that the whole of Kosovo should be shaven of trees first. The wood can be sold to Nikolic, making coffins for all the people that ever believed in Frances Friendship for Serbia, eager to forget that the Serbs gave the French the only military victory ever. How could you miss this all?

L

pre 14 godina

Serbia will give up its holly land Kosovo when chatolics give up Vatica, when jews give up Jerusalem or moslom give up Meca. If it is so easy to give up your soUL, lets see how rest of you would give up yours. Explain please. Stealing it won't do. Look for better ways to solve this very complex problem.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"After Belgrade, he will travel to the province, to meet with Kosovo officials in Priština, and he will also tour the Serbian monastery of Gračanica, it was reported on Sunday."

-- I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.

Better yet, maybe one of Pristina's "democrats" can accompany him to visit their "Kosovar" citizens of Serbian descent?

Ataman, in light of the recent GPS information, it can only mean one thing: Serb hackers breached Garmin's security network too :)

Ataman

pre 14 godina

I hope someone shows him the Serbian passport office.

If he buys a drink at the local kafana, he better bring a few dinari with him too.
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 13:36)

Kosova-USA, what happened with your copy-paste?
Looks like either Master Yoda controls your mind... or maybe you should not use that Dell. Get some fresh fruit instead. One Apple a day never hurts.

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did not wnat to bother to mention Russian and chinese democracy, since we all know what democracy they practice?
(Kosova-USA, 1 March 2010 17:52)

Not as advanced (yet) as in India, the biggest supporter of Kosova Republic out there - and BTW world's largest democracy. But hope dies the last: you hope India will recognize you one day, we hope the human rights and democracy in China and Russia will improve. Our hopes are easier to become the reality.

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May the Force be with us.
(John, 1 March 2010 18:06)

Don't worry - it's a done deal with the Force, much like the deal Dr. Faustus made.
Because of UDI and Lord Hashish Thaci and Yellow House a certain side of the force is already claimed, the Force is with you, you are set. Unfortunately Lord Thaci can't have both sides of the Force with him - he is not the Chosen One. That was reserved for Lord Vader. Lord Thaci is merely an apprentice and we all know who is his Master. ;-P

Jason

pre 14 godina

The above coment is not mine and hope b92 does not pull a stunt like this one again.
My words were as follows:"If you can get a serb pasport in cafe/bar than that passport is worthless".
(Kosova-USA, 2 March 2010 15:20)

Well, maybe if you did not write blatantly false, incorrect, or dishonest rubbish here on a daily basis it would easier to distinguish you from... you.

- and stop with the conspiracy garbage. B-92 could give a flip about you, me, or anyone else on here.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

for all the people that ever believed in Frances Friendship for Serbia, eager to forget that the Serbs gave the French the only military victory ever. How could you miss this all?
(Petervandergaast, 1 March 2010 22:16)

Geees, you are obsessed by the trees, you should immport them into Holland.
By the way, I was last weekend in Belgrade and saw the cutting, indeed it looks strange and empty but looking at the health of the trees, hummm, some of them really look terrible.
But the good thing is that they will replace all of them and even more, renew the complete canalization, water, electricity and communication and make the all bvd more attractive with a "real" tramway.
So maybe you should register for the round of wood cutting in about 20 years...