Official Moscow believes that the so-called <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=01&dd=26&nav_id=64771" class="text-link" target= "_blank">strategy for northern Kosovo</a> violates the Resolution 1244 of the UN Security Council.
The joke about seven children versus two is a well-known one in the area. It is more about conquering as much as possible with birthrate than about real violence.
I do not comment on the spirit of it, but it is more-less factual: the birthrate in most countries around is a catastrophe, except areas populated by Albanians because they use it as political tool.
Also interesting: once people are switching to "gastarbajter" mode, the Slavic or Hungarian birthrate is sharply up, the Albanian is sharply down, adjusting to about 2-3 kids. There is rarely a family which does not "celebrate" the immigration to the States with 1-2 extra children.
Go with Virgin Atlantic flights connecting with JAT over the Pacific, see who fills them ;-)
(No wonder, Virgin Atlantic + JAT have the cheapest consolidators in the States, others don't even come close with the price of the ticket. Don't look on-line tough!)
What people don't like tough: JAT is served by Alitalia ground crew in London. If anything is more chaotic and more dysfunctional than Yugo service - that's Italian one.
Perhaps in the future miri if what you write is different from what you actually mean, you should just write what you mean. As far as I'm concerned, your comment was pretty clear: you're happy to gamble for high stakes with other people's money and other people's lives, both in order to achieve some end that doesn't affect you personally beyond some over inflated ego. I’m sort of happy not to understand what you mean. Based on what you write, I don’t want to think like you.
I'm sorry Mike but you sound too naive to respond to my post in such a way.
I don't know how to say it but the buy-out hypothesis cannon be taken so literally.
It's just to shed some light on how small the K-North problem is to the powers involved. Jeez, you even went and analyzed what goes in K-Albanians head in this scenario; very disappointed.
The same mistake in the part 2. Children in this old man words are the fighters that brought K-Independence. Is the rationale of the determination of the people on hanging on to this land with any cost. To connect to the article in question, what can an apparatchik in Russia or in Serbia can do about it under these circumstances?
As for the Serb feeling towards Albanian Children and your lecture on how to treat my own, well, let's not get in there.
Miri, your little story is disgusting. Would an Albanian man really sacrifice his own children for the aquisition of some land mass, that will certainly change hands many more times in the future? Do Albanians have such a disregard for human life? If this is true, it really sickens me.
Based on the rationale of your comment, you envision a takeover of the north through buying the loyalty of the Serbs with money you think Pristina has, or possible hope it will receive. That's a lot of money to throw out to a bunch of people that want nothing to do with you. Pretty neat if you ask me, considering buying apartments and all that would hardly go down as a positive move by ordinary K Albanians who are living on less than a few euros a day but are expected to give their loyalty and support to a regime that's throwing money in the opposite direction. I give my thanks to everyone supporting me, but I give everyone an apartment that doesn’t. It seems pretty lucrative to be a critic of Thaci. It probably explains why there are a number of K Serbs willing to work with Pristina. They were probably bought off. But your hypothesis discounts the very likely notion that the US and the EU are going to help Pristina in this endeavor, particularly in the north where a lot of money needs to be dumped. It’s a nice thought for a government that doesn’t have a plan, but whatever, it's your hypothesis.
The last part of your comment struck me a little funny though:
"This brings me to a story-tale that I heard about an old K-man when he met with a Yugoslav representative at the beginning of the war. The man asked the representative how many children he had. The answer was 2 children. Then the man said in response: "Sir I have 7 children and I am willing to sacrifice two of them for Kosova, how many are you willing to sacrifice?" (miri)
-- Um, if that was intended as a joke, maybe the punchline was lost in the translation, because it seems the Albanian man is more than happy to throw two of his own kids under a bus in order to get what he wants. It's unfortunate you regard your children as bargaining chips. He was adamant about saying he had 7 kids. Why? Because he can dispose of a few and still have a full family? How many of your own kids would you be willing to sacrifice for northern Kosovo or even Gracanica? Maybe I’m the strange one, but throwing money around and using children as cannon fodder to achieve one’s self interested political goal doesn’t really sit well with me. How about just live and let live? The money is spent better and children grow up to a better life.
To say "Strategy for north" is violation of 1244 without any explanation does not make it a true statement. One needs to point what part of the plan if not whole violates 1244. Then and only then can be considered.
However, realizing that 1244 is dead this statement is ridiculous.
As far as the EU consensus on decisions related to Kosovo, That is just fine, it could have been worse. What if only 5 out of 27 had recognized UDI instead of 22 of 27?
I am not a fan of this plan on what amounts to forceful integration of the northern Mitrovica (some people never learn, and what's worse, some don't get bothered by the prospect of bloodshed), but this spokesman must've missed the memo. UNMIK (you know, the UN) specifically stated that these parallel structures are counter the oh-so-beloved 1244 that the Team Serbia has been dining on.
The Russian official also said that Moscow insists on the UN mission in Kosovo, UNMIK, to fulfill its obligations in representing Kosovo in regional and international institutions.
So, now UNMIK should only represent Kosova/o in region and international institutions, but the language to govern Kosova/o is not anymore in Ruskies tongue.They know better, that UNMIK is DOA.
In other words, EU and Kosova have all the time in the world and all the tools in their disposal to implement K-Sovereignty in the entire K-Territory. While Russia and Serbia can only brag about the progress since they can do nothing, no troops, no economic incentives, with their legal and moral rights disputed everywhere. All they have is a number "1244" whose validity and interpretation is being discussed in the court of justice. The plan to integrate the North is just a plan. If it doesn't work now the plan B will come along and after that the plan C. Handling 65K people (roughly 18k families) is just nothing.
Theoretically you could buy each of this family a brand new apartment (assuming a price of 50K) for a total of 900m dollars in a simple math. It's a lot of money, yet again it's 6 month salaries of KFOR and EULEX.
Not that Serbs "would sell their soul for the money" but it's just a theory to put things in perspective and to show how vulnerable K-North is to economic power of US and EU that backs K-Independence. Can Russia and Serbia (China wouldn't give a yen to Serbia) afford to buy out 2m K-Albanians for a promise of re-integration and yet risk another uprising 10 years later? Theoretically again, you could convince 65K-Albanians but what about the rest of them?
This brings me to a story-tale that I heard about an old K-man when he met with a Yugoslav representative at the beginning of the war. The man asked the representative how many children he had. The answer was 2 children. Then the man said in response: "Sir I have 7 children and I am willing to sacrifice two of them for Kosova, how many are you willing to sacrifice?"
tick tick tick.....
What next? Just a waiting game.
The only way forward in back to the Serbian table.
(Clooney, 29 January 2010 15:49)
More like yada, yada, yada.
But a conflict in the north will give an excuse to bring all parties together to make a compromise. Southern part independent, northern part with some type of either autonomy or return to Serbia.
At the end of the day, what difference is it really going make to Pristina if they remain outside northern Kosovo? Its populated by Serbs who want nothing to do with them, and have remained off their grid since 1999. It's not like Pristina's going to lose anything. The same should apply to larger Serb municipalities in central Kosovo as well. Instead of getting all uptight that their "authority" is being ignored, officials should ask how the life of the average K Albanian is really going to change. Does an Albanian from Pristina really care what Serbs do or don't do in Gracanica? Does an Albanian in Pec really give a damn about Kosovska Mitrovica? Does an Albanian in Prizren really care about what goes on in Zubin Potok?
At the end of the day, what difference is it really going make to Pristina if they remain outside northern Kosovo? Its populated by Serbs who want nothing to do with them, and have remained off their grid since 1999. It's not like Pristina's going to lose anything. The same should apply to larger Serb municipalities in central Kosovo as well. Instead of getting all uptight that their "authority" is being ignored, officials should ask how the life of the average K Albanian is really going to change. Does an Albanian from Pristina really care what Serbs do or don't do in Gracanica? Does an Albanian in Pec really give a damn about Kosovska Mitrovica? Does an Albanian in Prizren really care about what goes on in Zubin Potok?
Based on the rationale of your comment, you envision a takeover of the north through buying the loyalty of the Serbs with money you think Pristina has, or possible hope it will receive. That's a lot of money to throw out to a bunch of people that want nothing to do with you. Pretty neat if you ask me, considering buying apartments and all that would hardly go down as a positive move by ordinary K Albanians who are living on less than a few euros a day but are expected to give their loyalty and support to a regime that's throwing money in the opposite direction. I give my thanks to everyone supporting me, but I give everyone an apartment that doesn’t. It seems pretty lucrative to be a critic of Thaci. It probably explains why there are a number of K Serbs willing to work with Pristina. They were probably bought off. But your hypothesis discounts the very likely notion that the US and the EU are going to help Pristina in this endeavor, particularly in the north where a lot of money needs to be dumped. It’s a nice thought for a government that doesn’t have a plan, but whatever, it's your hypothesis.
The last part of your comment struck me a little funny though:
"This brings me to a story-tale that I heard about an old K-man when he met with a Yugoslav representative at the beginning of the war. The man asked the representative how many children he had. The answer was 2 children. Then the man said in response: "Sir I have 7 children and I am willing to sacrifice two of them for Kosova, how many are you willing to sacrifice?" (miri)
-- Um, if that was intended as a joke, maybe the punchline was lost in the translation, because it seems the Albanian man is more than happy to throw two of his own kids under a bus in order to get what he wants. It's unfortunate you regard your children as bargaining chips. He was adamant about saying he had 7 kids. Why? Because he can dispose of a few and still have a full family? How many of your own kids would you be willing to sacrifice for northern Kosovo or even Gracanica? Maybe I’m the strange one, but throwing money around and using children as cannon fodder to achieve one’s self interested political goal doesn’t really sit well with me. How about just live and let live? The money is spent better and children grow up to a better life.
I am not a fan of this plan on what amounts to forceful integration of the northern Mitrovica (some people never learn, and what's worse, some don't get bothered by the prospect of bloodshed), but this spokesman must've missed the memo. UNMIK (you know, the UN) specifically stated that these parallel structures are counter the oh-so-beloved 1244 that the Team Serbia has been dining on.
The Russian official also said that Moscow insists on the UN mission in Kosovo, UNMIK, to fulfill its obligations in representing Kosovo in regional and international institutions.
So, now UNMIK should only represent Kosova/o in region and international institutions, but the language to govern Kosova/o is not anymore in Ruskies tongue.They know better, that UNMIK is DOA.
Miri, your little story is disgusting. Would an Albanian man really sacrifice his own children for the aquisition of some land mass, that will certainly change hands many more times in the future? Do Albanians have such a disregard for human life? If this is true, it really sickens me.
Perhaps in the future miri if what you write is different from what you actually mean, you should just write what you mean. As far as I'm concerned, your comment was pretty clear: you're happy to gamble for high stakes with other people's money and other people's lives, both in order to achieve some end that doesn't affect you personally beyond some over inflated ego. I’m sort of happy not to understand what you mean. Based on what you write, I don’t want to think like you.
To say "Strategy for north" is violation of 1244 without any explanation does not make it a true statement. One needs to point what part of the plan if not whole violates 1244. Then and only then can be considered.
However, realizing that 1244 is dead this statement is ridiculous.
As far as the EU consensus on decisions related to Kosovo, That is just fine, it could have been worse. What if only 5 out of 27 had recognized UDI instead of 22 of 27?
In other words, EU and Kosova have all the time in the world and all the tools in their disposal to implement K-Sovereignty in the entire K-Territory. While Russia and Serbia can only brag about the progress since they can do nothing, no troops, no economic incentives, with their legal and moral rights disputed everywhere. All they have is a number "1244" whose validity and interpretation is being discussed in the court of justice. The plan to integrate the North is just a plan. If it doesn't work now the plan B will come along and after that the plan C. Handling 65K people (roughly 18k families) is just nothing.
Theoretically you could buy each of this family a brand new apartment (assuming a price of 50K) for a total of 900m dollars in a simple math. It's a lot of money, yet again it's 6 month salaries of KFOR and EULEX.
Not that Serbs "would sell their soul for the money" but it's just a theory to put things in perspective and to show how vulnerable K-North is to economic power of US and EU that backs K-Independence. Can Russia and Serbia (China wouldn't give a yen to Serbia) afford to buy out 2m K-Albanians for a promise of re-integration and yet risk another uprising 10 years later? Theoretically again, you could convince 65K-Albanians but what about the rest of them?
This brings me to a story-tale that I heard about an old K-man when he met with a Yugoslav representative at the beginning of the war. The man asked the representative how many children he had. The answer was 2 children. Then the man said in response: "Sir I have 7 children and I am willing to sacrifice two of them for Kosova, how many are you willing to sacrifice?"
I'm sorry Mike but you sound too naive to respond to my post in such a way.
I don't know how to say it but the buy-out hypothesis cannon be taken so literally.
It's just to shed some light on how small the K-North problem is to the powers involved. Jeez, you even went and analyzed what goes in K-Albanians head in this scenario; very disappointed.
The same mistake in the part 2. Children in this old man words are the fighters that brought K-Independence. Is the rationale of the determination of the people on hanging on to this land with any cost. To connect to the article in question, what can an apparatchik in Russia or in Serbia can do about it under these circumstances?
As for the Serb feeling towards Albanian Children and your lecture on how to treat my own, well, let's not get in there.
The joke about seven children versus two is a well-known one in the area. It is more about conquering as much as possible with birthrate than about real violence.
I do not comment on the spirit of it, but it is more-less factual: the birthrate in most countries around is a catastrophe, except areas populated by Albanians because they use it as political tool.
Also interesting: once people are switching to "gastarbajter" mode, the Slavic or Hungarian birthrate is sharply up, the Albanian is sharply down, adjusting to about 2-3 kids. There is rarely a family which does not "celebrate" the immigration to the States with 1-2 extra children.
Go with Virgin Atlantic flights connecting with JAT over the Pacific, see who fills them ;-)
(No wonder, Virgin Atlantic + JAT have the cheapest consolidators in the States, others don't even come close with the price of the ticket. Don't look on-line tough!)
What people don't like tough: JAT is served by Alitalia ground crew in London. If anything is more chaotic and more dysfunctional than Yugo service - that's Italian one.
tick tick tick.....
What next? Just a waiting game.
The only way forward in back to the Serbian table.
(Clooney, 29 January 2010 15:49)
More like yada, yada, yada.
But a conflict in the north will give an excuse to bring all parties together to make a compromise. Southern part independent, northern part with some type of either autonomy or return to Serbia.
In other words, EU and Kosova have all the time in the world and all the tools in their disposal to implement K-Sovereignty in the entire K-Territory. While Russia and Serbia can only brag about the progress since they can do nothing, no troops, no economic incentives, with their legal and moral rights disputed everywhere. All they have is a number "1244" whose validity and interpretation is being discussed in the court of justice. The plan to integrate the North is just a plan. If it doesn't work now the plan B will come along and after that the plan C. Handling 65K people (roughly 18k families) is just nothing.
Theoretically you could buy each of this family a brand new apartment (assuming a price of 50K) for a total of 900m dollars in a simple math. It's a lot of money, yet again it's 6 month salaries of KFOR and EULEX.
Not that Serbs "would sell their soul for the money" but it's just a theory to put things in perspective and to show how vulnerable K-North is to economic power of US and EU that backs K-Independence. Can Russia and Serbia (China wouldn't give a yen to Serbia) afford to buy out 2m K-Albanians for a promise of re-integration and yet risk another uprising 10 years later? Theoretically again, you could convince 65K-Albanians but what about the rest of them?
This brings me to a story-tale that I heard about an old K-man when he met with a Yugoslav representative at the beginning of the war. The man asked the representative how many children he had. The answer was 2 children. Then the man said in response: "Sir I have 7 children and I am willing to sacrifice two of them for Kosova, how many are you willing to sacrifice?"
tick tick tick.....
What next? Just a waiting game.
The only way forward in back to the Serbian table.
(Clooney, 29 January 2010 15:49)
More like yada, yada, yada.
But a conflict in the north will give an excuse to bring all parties together to make a compromise. Southern part independent, northern part with some type of either autonomy or return to Serbia.
The Russian official also said that Moscow insists on the UN mission in Kosovo, UNMIK, to fulfill its obligations in representing Kosovo in regional and international institutions.
So, now UNMIK should only represent Kosova/o in region and international institutions, but the language to govern Kosova/o is not anymore in Ruskies tongue.They know better, that UNMIK is DOA.
I'm sorry Mike but you sound too naive to respond to my post in such a way.
I don't know how to say it but the buy-out hypothesis cannon be taken so literally.
It's just to shed some light on how small the K-North problem is to the powers involved. Jeez, you even went and analyzed what goes in K-Albanians head in this scenario; very disappointed.
The same mistake in the part 2. Children in this old man words are the fighters that brought K-Independence. Is the rationale of the determination of the people on hanging on to this land with any cost. To connect to the article in question, what can an apparatchik in Russia or in Serbia can do about it under these circumstances?
As for the Serb feeling towards Albanian Children and your lecture on how to treat my own, well, let's not get in there.
To say "Strategy for north" is violation of 1244 without any explanation does not make it a true statement. One needs to point what part of the plan if not whole violates 1244. Then and only then can be considered.
However, realizing that 1244 is dead this statement is ridiculous.
As far as the EU consensus on decisions related to Kosovo, That is just fine, it could have been worse. What if only 5 out of 27 had recognized UDI instead of 22 of 27?
At the end of the day, what difference is it really going make to Pristina if they remain outside northern Kosovo? Its populated by Serbs who want nothing to do with them, and have remained off their grid since 1999. It's not like Pristina's going to lose anything. The same should apply to larger Serb municipalities in central Kosovo as well. Instead of getting all uptight that their "authority" is being ignored, officials should ask how the life of the average K Albanian is really going to change. Does an Albanian from Pristina really care what Serbs do or don't do in Gracanica? Does an Albanian in Pec really give a damn about Kosovska Mitrovica? Does an Albanian in Prizren really care about what goes on in Zubin Potok?
I am not a fan of this plan on what amounts to forceful integration of the northern Mitrovica (some people never learn, and what's worse, some don't get bothered by the prospect of bloodshed), but this spokesman must've missed the memo. UNMIK (you know, the UN) specifically stated that these parallel structures are counter the oh-so-beloved 1244 that the Team Serbia has been dining on.
Based on the rationale of your comment, you envision a takeover of the north through buying the loyalty of the Serbs with money you think Pristina has, or possible hope it will receive. That's a lot of money to throw out to a bunch of people that want nothing to do with you. Pretty neat if you ask me, considering buying apartments and all that would hardly go down as a positive move by ordinary K Albanians who are living on less than a few euros a day but are expected to give their loyalty and support to a regime that's throwing money in the opposite direction. I give my thanks to everyone supporting me, but I give everyone an apartment that doesn’t. It seems pretty lucrative to be a critic of Thaci. It probably explains why there are a number of K Serbs willing to work with Pristina. They were probably bought off. But your hypothesis discounts the very likely notion that the US and the EU are going to help Pristina in this endeavor, particularly in the north where a lot of money needs to be dumped. It’s a nice thought for a government that doesn’t have a plan, but whatever, it's your hypothesis.
The last part of your comment struck me a little funny though:
"This brings me to a story-tale that I heard about an old K-man when he met with a Yugoslav representative at the beginning of the war. The man asked the representative how many children he had. The answer was 2 children. Then the man said in response: "Sir I have 7 children and I am willing to sacrifice two of them for Kosova, how many are you willing to sacrifice?" (miri)
-- Um, if that was intended as a joke, maybe the punchline was lost in the translation, because it seems the Albanian man is more than happy to throw two of his own kids under a bus in order to get what he wants. It's unfortunate you regard your children as bargaining chips. He was adamant about saying he had 7 kids. Why? Because he can dispose of a few and still have a full family? How many of your own kids would you be willing to sacrifice for northern Kosovo or even Gracanica? Maybe I’m the strange one, but throwing money around and using children as cannon fodder to achieve one’s self interested political goal doesn’t really sit well with me. How about just live and let live? The money is spent better and children grow up to a better life.
Miri, your little story is disgusting. Would an Albanian man really sacrifice his own children for the aquisition of some land mass, that will certainly change hands many more times in the future? Do Albanians have such a disregard for human life? If this is true, it really sickens me.
Perhaps in the future miri if what you write is different from what you actually mean, you should just write what you mean. As far as I'm concerned, your comment was pretty clear: you're happy to gamble for high stakes with other people's money and other people's lives, both in order to achieve some end that doesn't affect you personally beyond some over inflated ego. I’m sort of happy not to understand what you mean. Based on what you write, I don’t want to think like you.
The joke about seven children versus two is a well-known one in the area. It is more about conquering as much as possible with birthrate than about real violence.
I do not comment on the spirit of it, but it is more-less factual: the birthrate in most countries around is a catastrophe, except areas populated by Albanians because they use it as political tool.
Also interesting: once people are switching to "gastarbajter" mode, the Slavic or Hungarian birthrate is sharply up, the Albanian is sharply down, adjusting to about 2-3 kids. There is rarely a family which does not "celebrate" the immigration to the States with 1-2 extra children.
Go with Virgin Atlantic flights connecting with JAT over the Pacific, see who fills them ;-)
(No wonder, Virgin Atlantic + JAT have the cheapest consolidators in the States, others don't even come close with the price of the ticket. Don't look on-line tough!)
What people don't like tough: JAT is served by Alitalia ground crew in London. If anything is more chaotic and more dysfunctional than Yugo service - that's Italian one.
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