Thursday, 31.12.2009.
12:14
Four people have been shot dead at a shopping mall in the Finnish city of Espoo on Thursday.
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r.i.p all those that have died in this terrible incident, and my condolenc go to the families of the victims.
It's very sad that we have gone into the race thing here, this Shkupolli guy was obviously a very sick man and he could have been a national of any country...
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"The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 10:51)"
Ian I think you are probably quite a decent guy but why say things like the above? If there is a media victim it is Serbia. The media coverage of the wars in the Balkans has been shocking. That is not to deny things but surely a man of your morals can see that it was not healthy. Kosovo has been portrayed in simple good versus evil. Only now are we seeing questions being raised.
To suggest that Kosovo receives some kind of unfair coverage in the western media is absurd in the extreme.
As for the "eastern" media then I think B92 has done no more that report a fact that is of local significance. Unless this is related to honour killing, in which case it is very relevant given Kosovo's EU aspirations, then outside of local media it is not particularly relevant where this man came from. It is just another of these tragedies that we unfortunately see so often relating to mental illness I suspect.
If it is related to honour then that is not the way "young europeans" should act.
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the guy was a loser plain and simple . his girlfriend dumped him because he was a violent retard and he was so uneducated and bound by tradition he had to go kill people . loser . its more than a coincedence that a lot of losers come from that particular part of europe , i know we have a few of them here in london .
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'Now why would albanians have any need to teach their 12-16 year old kids basic military skills,hmm...? '
Why did all the Communist countries teach this same thing?
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"The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)"
You do know that they actually receive education of albanian language in finnish schools. I think every minority in finland is entitled to learn their own native language according to finnish law on education and schooling.
What they don't teach in elementary schools in her is, how to use antitank weapons, grenades, hand guns and rifles, your basic military training. But I've seen that in Kosovo though.
At least albanian elementary school in Ljipljan had a class room dedicated to this subject. Now why would albanians have any need to teach their 12-16 year old kids basic military skills,hmm...?
So, summa summarum, no albanian schools to Finland, thank you...
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)
No oppression would be if there was a system of schools in Albanian language that had been established for decades and the forces went in and closed the schools and arrested the teachers whose only crime was educating children--that would be oppression.
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Crazy or not, this guy killed people and apparently is a criminal, so he should burn to hell.
But to read some comments here that project his behaviour to all albanians this is laughable. They speak as if in Serbia there is no criminals or crazy people who would do the same thing! Or is it more civilized for some here when huligans roam the streets of Belgrade killing young tourists.
Should we all believe that all serbs are war criminals, mass murderers or mass grave diggers, since so many of them were convicted for these crimes?
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Balkanialainen wrote:
"Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others."
A short reply: 100% rubbish.
We saw what happened when a man from the Balkans came over to show us how to have compassion for others. Shall we discuss about the cultures with embedded aggression?
OK. Enough of that. This man didn't intend to be an ambassador of compassion. He simply was a sad man who had wrong behavioral patterns to follow. His anger originated mainly from his old culture, not from happenings in Finland.
The Kosovo Albanian society in Finland has strongly condemned the killings. Which act is very important because many people in Finland (Finns + immigrants) have come to the same conclusion that Demi demonstrated here by writing:
"One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jeopardized".
Demi went on writing, in admiring tone, that the killer also proved he was "a man", and not a sissy, by killing himself too. It is very important that Albanians in Finland condemn this view and attitude. Naturally, it's not for Finns to mess in when self-centered Albanian men of low self-confidence prove their masculinity in Kosovo or in Albania which ever way they prefer and their culture suggests, collecting admiration of their women. But to maintain this habit outside of their tribal lands is not very clever.
This was the first case of a kind. Let's hope it remains as such.
Also it's been very depressive to see how Serbian commentators have foamed to make an issue here. Like they were presenting a culture of a different kind... Instead they've managed to prove true the old Latin phrase "homo homini lupus", man is a wolf to his fellow man.
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Berkeley. I'll tell you what the diffrence is and to everybody else who's confused about the diffrence between killing a high standing political official wich approved the bombing of ones home nation and the random killing of 5 innocent people.
First of and most importantly the number count. This is a massacre. Several people were murdered brutally as in comparison to Anna Lindh's murder which was a single victim homicide.
Secondly, the employees at the Prisma store were completly innocent. They had no relevant connection or bond to the murder what so ever. And so on, I could go on further but I'm going to stop here and really hope this clears out some of the fog for you.
BB.
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If you want your own schools, language and university either go to Albania or Kosovo. There you have everything and you are not oppressed as Albo stated. I guess by killing your ex girlfriend and other innocent bystanders you are keeping your honor. That is incorrect you are dishonoring your family by being labeled as a murderer. There is no honor for killing someone in cold blood. Islam is a religion of peace not hate.
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From the BBC: "He first dated the Finnish woman, who has not yet been named, soon after his arrival in Finland in 1990. An ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, he had left as Yugoslavia began to break apart, but it is not clear why."
In 1990 it is highly likely that he was simply an economic migrant. Though perhaps Ed Vulliamy will put us right, as he did with the Salt Lake City Shooter, and prove that Serbs (of course) were in fact responsible for the massacre.
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Finland supported Kosovo. Is this the way albanians thank all of their supporters?
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Chill
Beating someone up in a fight and killing 5 people cannot be compared, or are you just looking for some sympathy for this guy?
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The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 10:51)
Why? The western media does it every time, but you no longer notice this fact. If a Serbs does anything wrong the western media all over it making sure there is no mistake about who did the “crime”.
In fact in most of the western media they don’t even mention that he was an Albanian from Kosovo because it would damage the western cause by putting a wrong “image in audiences head”. I only heard about the ethnicity of this man once on the BBC and it was never mentioned again. CNN/Fox news etc. covered the incident but never mentioned who this man was or where he can from – Freedom of the Press eh!
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The rumor has it that this guy was wanted by Serbian Interpol and a warrant for his arrest? I think that the Serbs are doing a great job in securing borders in Europe, few weeks back I have read that they arrested a Kosovo-albanian gun smuggler who was trying to enter from Serbia into Kosovo with a Swed passport. But then again I bet Serb police arrest dozen of them nothing new for Serbs.
This was said greatly!!!!
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Well if some Serbs are happy that the Albanian is a criminal and not worried about the victims.
So I must remind you that a Serb, Mijailo Mijailović killed Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs, Anna Lindh.
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)
Albo, there is a saying in English, when in Rome do as the Romans do. You dont have the right to go to another country and set up your own schools etc.
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But at least he didn't secretly ask for Kosovo's passport to flee the country as that Serb in US did.
(Chill, 1 January 2010 17:05)
Serbian guy in US did not kill anyone. It was very stupid what he did, but there is big difference in killing 5 people and putting someone to comma.
Remember, American pilot who killed tourists in Italian Alps? He was next day in US.
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wow, how interesting, everybody seems to happy here that this guy was of Albanian Origin.
But at least he didn't secretly ask for Kosovo's passport to flee the country as that Serb in US did.
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
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From what I read, it was not a random killing rampage. He killed his ex-girlfriend, and 4 of her co-workers who were incouraging her to leave abusive relationship.
It might have been "honor killing".
But, it could have also been an act of deeply troubled and mentaly ill man.
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Well, in 2005 Kosovo was a part of Serbia (no need to discuss if it's still like that nowadays), and so it was totally correct to mention him as a Serbian citizen.
(Fop, 1 January 2010 15:28)
To refresh your memory in 2005 was Serbia and Montenegro. So it was not Serbia. So he would not have been citizen of Serbia. BTW, he had Latvian passport obtained by legal way. So he was citizen of Latvia, but still reported to be ethnic Serb. Maybe journalist did not know difference between Serbian and Albanian names. Why she did not reported that he was Latvian? I wrote her email and complain about that, but she never responded. I just wonder why?
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"Like in 2005 when Kosovo Albanian was convicted of running prostitution rings in UK. Guardian journalist wrote article about him a reported his nationality as Serbian."
Well, in 2005 Kosovo was a part of Serbia (no need to discuss if it's still like that nowadays), and so it was totally correct to mention him as a Serbian citizen.
And no, in "Western Media" this guy running amok in Finland was correctly described as being a "Kosovo Albanian" (who left Kosovo already in 1990, btw.)
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Ian, do you remember bombing of WTC back in 1993? Small scale bombing, but it was reported that were Serbs who did it (at least in some of the UK media). Also in US Los Angeles Times on the front page and in huge letters blamed bombing on Serbs. Later when they find out that perpetrators were Arabs, story was changed.
Demonizing Serbs through media is something what Limeys and Yanks are good at it.
I suppose it has to do something with upbringing from the small age. Being raised in Yugoslavia, everytime when I lied my father punish me by taking something away from me. But in UK and US that is not the case, it is OK for somebody to lie as long as it can benefit from the lie.
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Nationality does not matter. It matter the fact that five innocent victims were killed. This is nothing new in Finland where just in 2007 one gunman killed ten and in 2008 a student killed eight and himself. Finland has a problem with guns. There are over 1.6 million guys on people’s hands. This guy that appeared to be an Albanian lost his mind. He lost his mind and it could have been anybody. You can’t identify all people of that nationality with a criminal name just because got nuts. Can’t say all Serbs are criminals because Milosevic was one.
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Ian UK said: And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important...
Are you claiming ethnicity isn’t important is Western Media? So, from now on I guess I’ll see General Ratko Mladić described as simply Bosnian – by contrast to Serbian War Criminal, right?
And thank you for bringing up the Okalahoma City Bomber. Prior to authorities discovering that the Bomber was a man called Timothy, the popular slander circulating at the time was that Serbian terrorists were responsible. The Western Press did not hold back in reporting this fib. Lets not try and argue that Western Media reporting doesn't consider ethnicity as something that isn't important, particularly when it comes to reporting of Serbs.
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But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 13:42)
He was really man of honor. Killed few innocent people in process and left his family without father. Strange way to defend his honor. BTW, he also had 2 illegal guns taken from him in previous years, this was third one.
He probably thought that he was in Kosovo where shootings are common way to defend his honor. When you live in someones country you should obey local customs and laws.
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"But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 13:42)"
This guy was a coward, since he didn't have the guts to face the concequences of his actions. Talk about a guy with honor, he was convicted for a crime three times, suspected of other crimes, had a restraining order set against him, etc. So, protecting his honor, seriously? What honor?!?
Demi, are you aware that we live in the 2oth century here in Finland, and Finland is not muslim country? Maybe in Albania or Kosovo, or where ever you are from, it's acceptable to go around killing people to defend ones honor, but in here we actually have civilized ways to solve our problems.
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Greti said: Should serbs really get into this issue???
Greti (and, Berkeley and Ernest), the point of the article, is to highlight a crime committed, and accurately detail the ethnicity of the gunman. It’s no surprise however, that your counter-argument is “what about the Serbs”. Typical of someone who can’t challenge the core facts. But Greti, to answer your question: “Should Serbs really get into the issue”? – yes. You see, as you’d be aware (judging by your dossier of crimes committed by Serbs), the manner in which Western Media Reports Crimes Committed by Serb’s is generally the same. You’re told someone is Serb right from the headline, if he is accused of doing something bad. If however, it’s a non-Serb from the Former Yugoslavia that has committed a crime, your told they’re “Yugoslav”, “Bosnian” or “Kosovar”, leaving the reader to believe that the criminal in question is most likely a Serb. Therefore, it is important to ‘get into the issue’ so that there’s no confusion left behind by the Western world media.
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Don't you reamember the serb guy in his own village in Serbia shooting and killing his own neighbours. Not to mention the guy who killed the serbian prime or the guy who killed the swedish foreign minister.
But it is not important at all wich etnicity the guy has. But serbian media is more than happy to throw dirt at the albanians because we albanians made Kosovo independent.
But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
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And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important... or is it just to make Kosovo appear negative in the media?
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 11:16)
Like in 2005 when Kosovo Albanian was convicted of running prostitution rings in UK. Guardian journalist wrote article about him a reported his nationality as Serbian. Just enough to demonize Serbs. Your country (UK) was number one of making bad name for Serbs.
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(Diana, 1 January 2010 11:47)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8435857.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8436491.stm
There you go, the BBC News article on the incident. It clearly states that he was an ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, however it is not highlighted in the article's title as the main focus point. I think it is fair to say that the main focus point is that 5 people were murdered not that the perpetrator was from Kosovo and an ethnic Albanian. Also the BBC has criticised Kosovo on several occasions.
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I'm shocked, but there was mention that the killer is a Kosovar in the New York Times. See link:
althoughttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/world/europe/01briefs-FinlandBrf.html
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I listened to the BBC's coverage of this yesterday without any mention that the murderer was Albanian or Kosovo Albanian. The British media falls over itself to hide anything negative about kosovo. Why does it matter Ian? it matters a lot because like the lies we were fed about WMD etc etc in Iraq (which I never supported- nor the USA/British led wars in Yugoslavia)we need to know the truth about what the real motives were for these wars. We need to see that many 'innocent, subjected, kosovo Albanians' are nothing of the sort, given the chance will they cause havoc in europe? we need these facts and we need to know the truth about organ harvesting, the Racak massacre etc etc. Our meddling in other peoples affairs for America's interests has caused havoc around the world and it has been done for financial reasons not moral ones, so lets have the truth instead of b......t!
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"Be absolutely sure that his origin will be mentioned as "from former Yug." in western media.
(Go east!, 31 December 2009 16:30) "
And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important... or is it just to make Kosovo appear negative in the media?
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Should serbs really get into this issue ?? I don't think...
-Who killed former swedish Foreign Mnister ???....a serb
-Who killed 13 members of a municipal council in Paris outskirt ??...a serb
-Who heavily injured a student in the US...and then left the country with a consulate's help ??...a serb
And the last but not the least...who killed Serbian Prime in the middle of Belgrade in the middle of the journey ??? We may think about an albanian, a croat....NO...a serb !!!
So... may I invite u to make a little clean-up within ur own ethnic group...
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and then people wonder why these western european countries recognized Kosovo. They did so in hopes that all Albanians would leave their countries and go back to Kosovo as they are sick of the violence you bring. RIP to the dead except for the terrorist shooter, may he burn in hell.
(Red_Bandit, 31 December 2009 16:21)
Why pick up on his ethnicity? There is no need. One could argue that your comment is racist. Timothy McVeigh, an Irish Catholic was convicted for the Oklahoma City bombing but we don't pick up on his ethnicity. You will find that there will be good and bad people from all ethnicities. Please don't label.
The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
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The rumor has it that this guy was wanted by Serbian Interpol and a warrant for his arrest? I think that the Serbs are doing a great job in securing borders in Europe, few weeks back I have read that they arrested a Kosovo-albanian gun smuggler who was trying to enter from Serbia into Kosovo with a Swed passport. But then again I bet Serb police arrest dozen of them nothing new for Serbs.
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"According to Finnish and Serbian official sources this man was criminal but not UCK(KLA)terrorist.
Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
(Balkanialainen, 31 December 2009 23:49)"
You are trying to find excuses. In my mind these are crimes of ill people and it does not matter where they came from. Why don't you leave it at that?
What other indefensible things do you try to defend for the sole reason they are ethnic Albanian?
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Thanks god Kosovo is not independent.
Think about it,this "state" would export murderers like that one en masse...
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"Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
(Balkanialainen, 31 December 2009 23:49)"
Yes, of course it's finnish societys fault, racism, intolerance, blaa, blaa...
In this case the only reason was jeolousy. And he was already convicted before for illegal possession of firearms and assault, so it's not like he even tried to adapt to finnish society.This idiot was just a common criminal with no respect for human life, may he rot in hell.
To Balkanialainen:
You know what I do if go somewhere and feel like I'm not welcomed there? I leave that place. I don't go to the mall and start shooting innocent people.
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According to Finnish and Serbian official sources this man was criminal but not UCK(KLA)terrorist.
Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
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Despite all that you wrote you (the supporters of serbian tabor): Kosova is independent and in a right rails to be united with Albania.
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Go pages www.mtv3.fi there you can read more about the shooting.But i have to say.. that man never get to the paradise,,never,he burns to hell!!!
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How many Albanians still believe that it was Milosevich's propaganda that brain-washed this man?
Condolences to the families of all involved in this tragedy.
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See, ethnic Albanians with criminal records are very coddled and allowed to be free despite their oft long records of crimes. Nothing is done about them until it is too late.
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On 31 December 2009 18:03, PJD wrote: "Mijailo Mijailović is mentally ill (...)".
Isn't that true of everyone that runs around killing people?
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Berkeley, Mijailo Mijailović is mentally ill and was born in Sweden.
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Here another terroristic attack in Finnland from 2002 where a Finnish Chemistry student bomb a mall:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myyrmanni_bombing
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According to finnish sources there are now enough k-albs in southern finland to establish "FinlandA", Europes newest country.....
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Rampages are by far rare in Finland. This would be the 3rd one in the last 2 years:
Kauhajoki school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
Jokela school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting
Here in Germany we had the school massacre of Erfurt and Winnenden. The school massacre in Winnenden happened only a few months ago and among the victims was even a Kososo-Albanian:
Winnenden school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
The Myyrmanni bombin has been already posted here, just as the murder of Anna Lindh in Sweden committed by a Serb. So I suggest that the Serbs don't yell to loud because that incidents have nothing to do with ethnicity.
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Be absolutely sure that his origin will be mentioned as "from former Yug." in western media.
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and then people wonder why these western european countries recognized Kosovo. They did so in hopes that all Albanians would leave their countries and go back to Kosovo as they are sick of the violence you bring. RIP to the dead except for the terrorist shooter, may he burn in hell.
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I'm not surprised that radical Serbs will instantly use their reflexes to exploit that. Maybe they can explain what difference there is with the Mijailo Mijailovic case in Sweden. Thank God, Kosovo is independent.
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There are rumours that Shkupolli was a KLA/UCK veteran wanted in Serbia for the massacre of Serbian civilians in Kosovo.
Is there anything in the Serbian media to confirm this link?
http://www.belgradefvc.com/
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Maybe he was inspired by al qaeda.
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R.I.P. innocent victims who fell at the hand of Albanian terrorist from Kosovo. I was in KiM during 2004 March riots and it seems now step by step they export their instincts to rest of Europe as well. Or maybe Kosovo Albanians just follow their Kanun and want indeed to resettle with Ahtisaari( God knows what has been the real deal with the illegal independence ) through killing Finnish people?
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Albanian freedom fighter at work.
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They are the gift to europe that keeps on giving.
Nice job Athisaari-they are in your own back yard now..
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Surprise there!
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He was probably looking for Ahtisaari ....
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They suspect is Ibrahim Shkupolli, albanian from Kosovo.Probably some poor misunderstood ex-KLA fighter...
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They suspect is Ibrahim Shkupolli, albanian from Kosovo.Probably some poor misunderstood ex-KLA fighter...
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R.I.P. innocent victims who fell at the hand of Albanian terrorist from Kosovo. I was in KiM during 2004 March riots and it seems now step by step they export their instincts to rest of Europe as well. Or maybe Kosovo Albanians just follow their Kanun and want indeed to resettle with Ahtisaari( God knows what has been the real deal with the illegal independence ) through killing Finnish people?
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He was probably looking for Ahtisaari ....
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Albanian freedom fighter at work.
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They are the gift to europe that keeps on giving.
Nice job Athisaari-they are in your own back yard now..
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Be absolutely sure that his origin will be mentioned as "from former Yug." in western media.
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According to finnish sources there are now enough k-albs in southern finland to establish "FinlandA", Europes newest country.....
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"But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 13:42)"
This guy was a coward, since he didn't have the guts to face the concequences of his actions. Talk about a guy with honor, he was convicted for a crime three times, suspected of other crimes, had a restraining order set against him, etc. So, protecting his honor, seriously? What honor?!?
Demi, are you aware that we live in the 2oth century here in Finland, and Finland is not muslim country? Maybe in Albania or Kosovo, or where ever you are from, it's acceptable to go around killing people to defend ones honor, but in here we actually have civilized ways to solve our problems.
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Berkeley, Mijailo Mijailović is mentally ill and was born in Sweden.
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and then people wonder why these western european countries recognized Kosovo. They did so in hopes that all Albanians would leave their countries and go back to Kosovo as they are sick of the violence you bring. RIP to the dead except for the terrorist shooter, may he burn in hell.
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There are rumours that Shkupolli was a KLA/UCK veteran wanted in Serbia for the massacre of Serbian civilians in Kosovo.
Is there anything in the Serbian media to confirm this link?
http://www.belgradefvc.com/
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Surprise there!
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I'm not surprised that radical Serbs will instantly use their reflexes to exploit that. Maybe they can explain what difference there is with the Mijailo Mijailovic case in Sweden. Thank God, Kosovo is independent.
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How many Albanians still believe that it was Milosevich's propaganda that brain-washed this man?
Condolences to the families of all involved in this tragedy.
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But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 13:42)
He was really man of honor. Killed few innocent people in process and left his family without father. Strange way to defend his honor. BTW, he also had 2 illegal guns taken from him in previous years, this was third one.
He probably thought that he was in Kosovo where shootings are common way to defend his honor. When you live in someones country you should obey local customs and laws.
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Maybe he was inspired by al qaeda.
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I listened to the BBC's coverage of this yesterday without any mention that the murderer was Albanian or Kosovo Albanian. The British media falls over itself to hide anything negative about kosovo. Why does it matter Ian? it matters a lot because like the lies we were fed about WMD etc etc in Iraq (which I never supported- nor the USA/British led wars in Yugoslavia)we need to know the truth about what the real motives were for these wars. We need to see that many 'innocent, subjected, kosovo Albanians' are nothing of the sort, given the chance will they cause havoc in europe? we need these facts and we need to know the truth about organ harvesting, the Racak massacre etc etc. Our meddling in other peoples affairs for America's interests has caused havoc around the world and it has been done for financial reasons not moral ones, so lets have the truth instead of b......t!
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Ian UK said: And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important...
Are you claiming ethnicity isn’t important is Western Media? So, from now on I guess I’ll see General Ratko Mladić described as simply Bosnian – by contrast to Serbian War Criminal, right?
And thank you for bringing up the Okalahoma City Bomber. Prior to authorities discovering that the Bomber was a man called Timothy, the popular slander circulating at the time was that Serbian terrorists were responsible. The Western Press did not hold back in reporting this fib. Lets not try and argue that Western Media reporting doesn't consider ethnicity as something that isn't important, particularly when it comes to reporting of Serbs.
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Ian, do you remember bombing of WTC back in 1993? Small scale bombing, but it was reported that were Serbs who did it (at least in some of the UK media). Also in US Los Angeles Times on the front page and in huge letters blamed bombing on Serbs. Later when they find out that perpetrators were Arabs, story was changed.
Demonizing Serbs through media is something what Limeys and Yanks are good at it.
I suppose it has to do something with upbringing from the small age. Being raised in Yugoslavia, everytime when I lied my father punish me by taking something away from me. But in UK and US that is not the case, it is OK for somebody to lie as long as it can benefit from the lie.
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"Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
(Balkanialainen, 31 December 2009 23:49)"
Yes, of course it's finnish societys fault, racism, intolerance, blaa, blaa...
In this case the only reason was jeolousy. And he was already convicted before for illegal possession of firearms and assault, so it's not like he even tried to adapt to finnish society.This idiot was just a common criminal with no respect for human life, may he rot in hell.
To Balkanialainen:
You know what I do if go somewhere and feel like I'm not welcomed there? I leave that place. I don't go to the mall and start shooting innocent people.
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See, ethnic Albanians with criminal records are very coddled and allowed to be free despite their oft long records of crimes. Nothing is done about them until it is too late.
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Well, in 2005 Kosovo was a part of Serbia (no need to discuss if it's still like that nowadays), and so it was totally correct to mention him as a Serbian citizen.
(Fop, 1 January 2010 15:28)
To refresh your memory in 2005 was Serbia and Montenegro. So it was not Serbia. So he would not have been citizen of Serbia. BTW, he had Latvian passport obtained by legal way. So he was citizen of Latvia, but still reported to be ethnic Serb. Maybe journalist did not know difference between Serbian and Albanian names. Why she did not reported that he was Latvian? I wrote her email and complain about that, but she never responded. I just wonder why?
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"According to Finnish and Serbian official sources this man was criminal but not UCK(KLA)terrorist.
Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
(Balkanialainen, 31 December 2009 23:49)"
You are trying to find excuses. In my mind these are crimes of ill people and it does not matter where they came from. Why don't you leave it at that?
What other indefensible things do you try to defend for the sole reason they are ethnic Albanian?
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On 31 December 2009 18:03, PJD wrote: "Mijailo Mijailović is mentally ill (...)".
Isn't that true of everyone that runs around killing people?
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And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important... or is it just to make Kosovo appear negative in the media?
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 11:16)
Like in 2005 when Kosovo Albanian was convicted of running prostitution rings in UK. Guardian journalist wrote article about him a reported his nationality as Serbian. Just enough to demonize Serbs. Your country (UK) was number one of making bad name for Serbs.
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But at least he didn't secretly ask for Kosovo's passport to flee the country as that Serb in US did.
(Chill, 1 January 2010 17:05)
Serbian guy in US did not kill anyone. It was very stupid what he did, but there is big difference in killing 5 people and putting someone to comma.
Remember, American pilot who killed tourists in Italian Alps? He was next day in US.
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Rampages are by far rare in Finland. This would be the 3rd one in the last 2 years:
Kauhajoki school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
Jokela school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting
Here in Germany we had the school massacre of Erfurt and Winnenden. The school massacre in Winnenden happened only a few months ago and among the victims was even a Kososo-Albanian:
Winnenden school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
The Myyrmanni bombin has been already posted here, just as the murder of Anna Lindh in Sweden committed by a Serb. So I suggest that the Serbs don't yell to loud because that incidents have nothing to do with ethnicity.
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)
Albo, there is a saying in English, when in Rome do as the Romans do. You dont have the right to go to another country and set up your own schools etc.
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"The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)"
You do know that they actually receive education of albanian language in finnish schools. I think every minority in finland is entitled to learn their own native language according to finnish law on education and schooling.
What they don't teach in elementary schools in her is, how to use antitank weapons, grenades, hand guns and rifles, your basic military training. But I've seen that in Kosovo though.
At least albanian elementary school in Ljipljan had a class room dedicated to this subject. Now why would albanians have any need to teach their 12-16 year old kids basic military skills,hmm...?
So, summa summarum, no albanian schools to Finland, thank you...
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Thanks god Kosovo is not independent.
Think about it,this "state" would export murderers like that one en masse...
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The rumor has it that this guy was wanted by Serbian Interpol and a warrant for his arrest? I think that the Serbs are doing a great job in securing borders in Europe, few weeks back I have read that they arrested a Kosovo-albanian gun smuggler who was trying to enter from Serbia into Kosovo with a Swed passport. But then again I bet Serb police arrest dozen of them nothing new for Serbs.
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Greti said: Should serbs really get into this issue???
Greti (and, Berkeley and Ernest), the point of the article, is to highlight a crime committed, and accurately detail the ethnicity of the gunman. It’s no surprise however, that your counter-argument is “what about the Serbs”. Typical of someone who can’t challenge the core facts. But Greti, to answer your question: “Should Serbs really get into the issue”? – yes. You see, as you’d be aware (judging by your dossier of crimes committed by Serbs), the manner in which Western Media Reports Crimes Committed by Serb’s is generally the same. You’re told someone is Serb right from the headline, if he is accused of doing something bad. If however, it’s a non-Serb from the Former Yugoslavia that has committed a crime, your told they’re “Yugoslav”, “Bosnian” or “Kosovar”, leaving the reader to believe that the criminal in question is most likely a Serb. Therefore, it is important to ‘get into the issue’ so that there’s no confusion left behind by the Western world media.
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Go pages www.mtv3.fi there you can read more about the shooting.But i have to say.. that man never get to the paradise,,never,he burns to hell!!!
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the guy was a loser plain and simple . his girlfriend dumped him because he was a violent retard and he was so uneducated and bound by tradition he had to go kill people . loser . its more than a coincedence that a lot of losers come from that particular part of europe , i know we have a few of them here in london .
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Despite all that you wrote you (the supporters of serbian tabor): Kosova is independent and in a right rails to be united with Albania.
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Should serbs really get into this issue ?? I don't think...
-Who killed former swedish Foreign Mnister ???....a serb
-Who killed 13 members of a municipal council in Paris outskirt ??...a serb
-Who heavily injured a student in the US...and then left the country with a consulate's help ??...a serb
And the last but not the least...who killed Serbian Prime in the middle of Belgrade in the middle of the journey ??? We may think about an albanian, a croat....NO...a serb !!!
So... may I invite u to make a little clean-up within ur own ethnic group...
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Berkeley. I'll tell you what the diffrence is and to everybody else who's confused about the diffrence between killing a high standing political official wich approved the bombing of ones home nation and the random killing of 5 innocent people.
First of and most importantly the number count. This is a massacre. Several people were murdered brutally as in comparison to Anna Lindh's murder which was a single victim homicide.
Secondly, the employees at the Prisma store were completly innocent. They had no relevant connection or bond to the murder what so ever. And so on, I could go on further but I'm going to stop here and really hope this clears out some of the fog for you.
BB.
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Well if some Serbs are happy that the Albanian is a criminal and not worried about the victims.
So I must remind you that a Serb, Mijailo Mijailović killed Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs, Anna Lindh.
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The rumor has it that this guy was wanted by Serbian Interpol and a warrant for his arrest? I think that the Serbs are doing a great job in securing borders in Europe, few weeks back I have read that they arrested a Kosovo-albanian gun smuggler who was trying to enter from Serbia into Kosovo with a Swed passport. But then again I bet Serb police arrest dozen of them nothing new for Serbs.
This was said greatly!!!!
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"The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 10:51)"
Ian I think you are probably quite a decent guy but why say things like the above? If there is a media victim it is Serbia. The media coverage of the wars in the Balkans has been shocking. That is not to deny things but surely a man of your morals can see that it was not healthy. Kosovo has been portrayed in simple good versus evil. Only now are we seeing questions being raised.
To suggest that Kosovo receives some kind of unfair coverage in the western media is absurd in the extreme.
As for the "eastern" media then I think B92 has done no more that report a fact that is of local significance. Unless this is related to honour killing, in which case it is very relevant given Kosovo's EU aspirations, then outside of local media it is not particularly relevant where this man came from. It is just another of these tragedies that we unfortunately see so often relating to mental illness I suspect.
If it is related to honour then that is not the way "young europeans" should act.
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From what I read, it was not a random killing rampage. He killed his ex-girlfriend, and 4 of her co-workers who were incouraging her to leave abusive relationship.
It might have been "honor killing".
But, it could have also been an act of deeply troubled and mentaly ill man.
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Here another terroristic attack in Finnland from 2002 where a Finnish Chemistry student bomb a mall:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myyrmanni_bombing
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Finland supported Kosovo. Is this the way albanians thank all of their supporters?
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and then people wonder why these western european countries recognized Kosovo. They did so in hopes that all Albanians would leave their countries and go back to Kosovo as they are sick of the violence you bring. RIP to the dead except for the terrorist shooter, may he burn in hell.
(Red_Bandit, 31 December 2009 16:21)
Why pick up on his ethnicity? There is no need. One could argue that your comment is racist. Timothy McVeigh, an Irish Catholic was convicted for the Oklahoma City bombing but we don't pick up on his ethnicity. You will find that there will be good and bad people from all ethnicities. Please don't label.
The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
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"Be absolutely sure that his origin will be mentioned as "from former Yug." in western media.
(Go east!, 31 December 2009 16:30) "
And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important... or is it just to make Kosovo appear negative in the media?
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
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The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 10:51)
Why? The western media does it every time, but you no longer notice this fact. If a Serbs does anything wrong the western media all over it making sure there is no mistake about who did the “crime”.
In fact in most of the western media they don’t even mention that he was an Albanian from Kosovo because it would damage the western cause by putting a wrong “image in audiences head”. I only heard about the ethnicity of this man once on the BBC and it was never mentioned again. CNN/Fox news etc. covered the incident but never mentioned who this man was or where he can from – Freedom of the Press eh!
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(Diana, 1 January 2010 11:47)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8435857.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8436491.stm
There you go, the BBC News article on the incident. It clearly states that he was an ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, however it is not highlighted in the article's title as the main focus point. I think it is fair to say that the main focus point is that 5 people were murdered not that the perpetrator was from Kosovo and an ethnic Albanian. Also the BBC has criticised Kosovo on several occasions.
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Nationality does not matter. It matter the fact that five innocent victims were killed. This is nothing new in Finland where just in 2007 one gunman killed ten and in 2008 a student killed eight and himself. Finland has a problem with guns. There are over 1.6 million guys on people’s hands. This guy that appeared to be an Albanian lost his mind. He lost his mind and it could have been anybody. You can’t identify all people of that nationality with a criminal name just because got nuts. Can’t say all Serbs are criminals because Milosevic was one.
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wow, how interesting, everybody seems to happy here that this guy was of Albanian Origin.
But at least he didn't secretly ask for Kosovo's passport to flee the country as that Serb in US did.
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r.i.p all those that have died in this terrible incident, and my condolenc go to the families of the victims.
It's very sad that we have gone into the race thing here, this Shkupolli guy was obviously a very sick man and he could have been a national of any country...
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From the BBC: "He first dated the Finnish woman, who has not yet been named, soon after his arrival in Finland in 1990. An ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, he had left as Yugoslavia began to break apart, but it is not clear why."
In 1990 it is highly likely that he was simply an economic migrant. Though perhaps Ed Vulliamy will put us right, as he did with the Salt Lake City Shooter, and prove that Serbs (of course) were in fact responsible for the massacre.
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If you want your own schools, language and university either go to Albania or Kosovo. There you have everything and you are not oppressed as Albo stated. I guess by killing your ex girlfriend and other innocent bystanders you are keeping your honor. That is incorrect you are dishonoring your family by being labeled as a murderer. There is no honor for killing someone in cold blood. Islam is a religion of peace not hate.
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Crazy or not, this guy killed people and apparently is a criminal, so he should burn to hell.
But to read some comments here that project his behaviour to all albanians this is laughable. They speak as if in Serbia there is no criminals or crazy people who would do the same thing! Or is it more civilized for some here when huligans roam the streets of Belgrade killing young tourists.
Should we all believe that all serbs are war criminals, mass murderers or mass grave diggers, since so many of them were convicted for these crimes?
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I'm shocked, but there was mention that the killer is a Kosovar in the New York Times. See link:
althoughttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/world/europe/01briefs-FinlandBrf.html
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Chill
Beating someone up in a fight and killing 5 people cannot be compared, or are you just looking for some sympathy for this guy?
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Don't you reamember the serb guy in his own village in Serbia shooting and killing his own neighbours. Not to mention the guy who killed the serbian prime or the guy who killed the swedish foreign minister.
But it is not important at all wich etnicity the guy has. But serbian media is more than happy to throw dirt at the albanians because we albanians made Kosovo independent.
But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
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Balkanialainen wrote:
"Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others."
A short reply: 100% rubbish.
We saw what happened when a man from the Balkans came over to show us how to have compassion for others. Shall we discuss about the cultures with embedded aggression?
OK. Enough of that. This man didn't intend to be an ambassador of compassion. He simply was a sad man who had wrong behavioral patterns to follow. His anger originated mainly from his old culture, not from happenings in Finland.
The Kosovo Albanian society in Finland has strongly condemned the killings. Which act is very important because many people in Finland (Finns + immigrants) have come to the same conclusion that Demi demonstrated here by writing:
"One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jeopardized".
Demi went on writing, in admiring tone, that the killer also proved he was "a man", and not a sissy, by killing himself too. It is very important that Albanians in Finland condemn this view and attitude. Naturally, it's not for Finns to mess in when self-centered Albanian men of low self-confidence prove their masculinity in Kosovo or in Albania which ever way they prefer and their culture suggests, collecting admiration of their women. But to maintain this habit outside of their tribal lands is not very clever.
This was the first case of a kind. Let's hope it remains as such.
Also it's been very depressive to see how Serbian commentators have foamed to make an issue here. Like they were presenting a culture of a different kind... Instead they've managed to prove true the old Latin phrase "homo homini lupus", man is a wolf to his fellow man.
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According to Finnish and Serbian official sources this man was criminal but not UCK(KLA)terrorist.
Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
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"Like in 2005 when Kosovo Albanian was convicted of running prostitution rings in UK. Guardian journalist wrote article about him a reported his nationality as Serbian."
Well, in 2005 Kosovo was a part of Serbia (no need to discuss if it's still like that nowadays), and so it was totally correct to mention him as a Serbian citizen.
And no, in "Western Media" this guy running amok in Finland was correctly described as being a "Kosovo Albanian" (who left Kosovo already in 1990, btw.)
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'Now why would albanians have any need to teach their 12-16 year old kids basic military skills,hmm...? '
Why did all the Communist countries teach this same thing?
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)
No oppression would be if there was a system of schools in Albanian language that had been established for decades and the forces went in and closed the schools and arrested the teachers whose only crime was educating children--that would be oppression.
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I'm not surprised that radical Serbs will instantly use their reflexes to exploit that. Maybe they can explain what difference there is with the Mijailo Mijailovic case in Sweden. Thank God, Kosovo is independent.
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
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Rampages are by far rare in Finland. This would be the 3rd one in the last 2 years:
Kauhajoki school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
Jokela school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting
Here in Germany we had the school massacre of Erfurt and Winnenden. The school massacre in Winnenden happened only a few months ago and among the victims was even a Kososo-Albanian:
Winnenden school shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
The Myyrmanni bombin has been already posted here, just as the murder of Anna Lindh in Sweden committed by a Serb. So I suggest that the Serbs don't yell to loud because that incidents have nothing to do with ethnicity.
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wow, how interesting, everybody seems to happy here that this guy was of Albanian Origin.
But at least he didn't secretly ask for Kosovo's passport to flee the country as that Serb in US did.
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Despite all that you wrote you (the supporters of serbian tabor): Kosova is independent and in a right rails to be united with Albania.
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Should serbs really get into this issue ?? I don't think...
-Who killed former swedish Foreign Mnister ???....a serb
-Who killed 13 members of a municipal council in Paris outskirt ??...a serb
-Who heavily injured a student in the US...and then left the country with a consulate's help ??...a serb
And the last but not the least...who killed Serbian Prime in the middle of Belgrade in the middle of the journey ??? We may think about an albanian, a croat....NO...a serb !!!
So... may I invite u to make a little clean-up within ur own ethnic group...
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R.I.P. innocent victims who fell at the hand of Albanian terrorist from Kosovo. I was in KiM during 2004 March riots and it seems now step by step they export their instincts to rest of Europe as well. Or maybe Kosovo Albanians just follow their Kanun and want indeed to resettle with Ahtisaari( God knows what has been the real deal with the illegal independence ) through killing Finnish people?
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According to Finnish and Serbian official sources this man was criminal but not UCK(KLA)terrorist.
Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
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Don't you reamember the serb guy in his own village in Serbia shooting and killing his own neighbours. Not to mention the guy who killed the serbian prime or the guy who killed the swedish foreign minister.
But it is not important at all wich etnicity the guy has. But serbian media is more than happy to throw dirt at the albanians because we albanians made Kosovo independent.
But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
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"Be absolutely sure that his origin will be mentioned as "from former Yug." in western media.
(Go east!, 31 December 2009 16:30) "
And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important... or is it just to make Kosovo appear negative in the media?
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Maybe he was inspired by al qaeda.
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and then people wonder why these western european countries recognized Kosovo. They did so in hopes that all Albanians would leave their countries and go back to Kosovo as they are sick of the violence you bring. RIP to the dead except for the terrorist shooter, may he burn in hell.
(Red_Bandit, 31 December 2009 16:21)
Why pick up on his ethnicity? There is no need. One could argue that your comment is racist. Timothy McVeigh, an Irish Catholic was convicted for the Oklahoma City bombing but we don't pick up on his ethnicity. You will find that there will be good and bad people from all ethnicities. Please don't label.
The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
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On 31 December 2009 18:03, PJD wrote: "Mijailo Mijailović is mentally ill (...)".
Isn't that true of everyone that runs around killing people?
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Albanian freedom fighter at work.
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They suspect is Ibrahim Shkupolli, albanian from Kosovo.Probably some poor misunderstood ex-KLA fighter...
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They are the gift to europe that keeps on giving.
Nice job Athisaari-they are in your own back yard now..
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Well if some Serbs are happy that the Albanian is a criminal and not worried about the victims.
So I must remind you that a Serb, Mijailo Mijailović killed Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs, Anna Lindh.
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He was probably looking for Ahtisaari ....
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"Like in 2005 when Kosovo Albanian was convicted of running prostitution rings in UK. Guardian journalist wrote article about him a reported his nationality as Serbian."
Well, in 2005 Kosovo was a part of Serbia (no need to discuss if it's still like that nowadays), and so it was totally correct to mention him as a Serbian citizen.
And no, in "Western Media" this guy running amok in Finland was correctly described as being a "Kosovo Albanian" (who left Kosovo already in 1990, btw.)
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Nationality does not matter. It matter the fact that five innocent victims were killed. This is nothing new in Finland where just in 2007 one gunman killed ten and in 2008 a student killed eight and himself. Finland has a problem with guns. There are over 1.6 million guys on people’s hands. This guy that appeared to be an Albanian lost his mind. He lost his mind and it could have been anybody. You can’t identify all people of that nationality with a criminal name just because got nuts. Can’t say all Serbs are criminals because Milosevic was one.
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There are rumours that Shkupolli was a KLA/UCK veteran wanted in Serbia for the massacre of Serbian civilians in Kosovo.
Is there anything in the Serbian media to confirm this link?
http://www.belgradefvc.com/
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Berkeley, Mijailo Mijailović is mentally ill and was born in Sweden.
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'Now why would albanians have any need to teach their 12-16 year old kids basic military skills,hmm...? '
Why did all the Communist countries teach this same thing?
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and then people wonder why these western european countries recognized Kosovo. They did so in hopes that all Albanians would leave their countries and go back to Kosovo as they are sick of the violence you bring. RIP to the dead except for the terrorist shooter, may he burn in hell.
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According to finnish sources there are now enough k-albs in southern finland to establish "FinlandA", Europes newest country.....
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See, ethnic Albanians with criminal records are very coddled and allowed to be free despite their oft long records of crimes. Nothing is done about them until it is too late.
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(Diana, 1 January 2010 11:47)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8435857.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8436491.stm
There you go, the BBC News article on the incident. It clearly states that he was an ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, however it is not highlighted in the article's title as the main focus point. I think it is fair to say that the main focus point is that 5 people were murdered not that the perpetrator was from Kosovo and an ethnic Albanian. Also the BBC has criticised Kosovo on several occasions.
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r.i.p all those that have died in this terrible incident, and my condolenc go to the families of the victims.
It's very sad that we have gone into the race thing here, this Shkupolli guy was obviously a very sick man and he could have been a national of any country...
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Surprise there!
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)
No oppression would be if there was a system of schools in Albanian language that had been established for decades and the forces went in and closed the schools and arrested the teachers whose only crime was educating children--that would be oppression.
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Thanks god Kosovo is not independent.
Think about it,this "state" would export murderers like that one en masse...
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I listened to the BBC's coverage of this yesterday without any mention that the murderer was Albanian or Kosovo Albanian. The British media falls over itself to hide anything negative about kosovo. Why does it matter Ian? it matters a lot because like the lies we were fed about WMD etc etc in Iraq (which I never supported- nor the USA/British led wars in Yugoslavia)we need to know the truth about what the real motives were for these wars. We need to see that many 'innocent, subjected, kosovo Albanians' are nothing of the sort, given the chance will they cause havoc in europe? we need these facts and we need to know the truth about organ harvesting, the Racak massacre etc etc. Our meddling in other peoples affairs for America's interests has caused havoc around the world and it has been done for financial reasons not moral ones, so lets have the truth instead of b......t!
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The rumor has it that this guy was wanted by Serbian Interpol and a warrant for his arrest? I think that the Serbs are doing a great job in securing borders in Europe, few weeks back I have read that they arrested a Kosovo-albanian gun smuggler who was trying to enter from Serbia into Kosovo with a Swed passport. But then again I bet Serb police arrest dozen of them nothing new for Serbs.
This was said greatly!!!!
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Balkanialainen wrote:
"Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others."
A short reply: 100% rubbish.
We saw what happened when a man from the Balkans came over to show us how to have compassion for others. Shall we discuss about the cultures with embedded aggression?
OK. Enough of that. This man didn't intend to be an ambassador of compassion. He simply was a sad man who had wrong behavioral patterns to follow. His anger originated mainly from his old culture, not from happenings in Finland.
The Kosovo Albanian society in Finland has strongly condemned the killings. Which act is very important because many people in Finland (Finns + immigrants) have come to the same conclusion that Demi demonstrated here by writing:
"One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jeopardized".
Demi went on writing, in admiring tone, that the killer also proved he was "a man", and not a sissy, by killing himself too. It is very important that Albanians in Finland condemn this view and attitude. Naturally, it's not for Finns to mess in when self-centered Albanian men of low self-confidence prove their masculinity in Kosovo or in Albania which ever way they prefer and their culture suggests, collecting admiration of their women. But to maintain this habit outside of their tribal lands is not very clever.
This was the first case of a kind. Let's hope it remains as such.
Also it's been very depressive to see how Serbian commentators have foamed to make an issue here. Like they were presenting a culture of a different kind... Instead they've managed to prove true the old Latin phrase "homo homini lupus", man is a wolf to his fellow man.
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But at least he didn't secretly ask for Kosovo's passport to flee the country as that Serb in US did.
(Chill, 1 January 2010 17:05)
Serbian guy in US did not kill anyone. It was very stupid what he did, but there is big difference in killing 5 people and putting someone to comma.
Remember, American pilot who killed tourists in Italian Alps? He was next day in US.
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Be absolutely sure that his origin will be mentioned as "from former Yug." in western media.
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How many Albanians still believe that it was Milosevich's propaganda that brain-washed this man?
Condolences to the families of all involved in this tragedy.
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Here another terroristic attack in Finnland from 2002 where a Finnish Chemistry student bomb a mall:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myyrmanni_bombing
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From what I read, it was not a random killing rampage. He killed his ex-girlfriend, and 4 of her co-workers who were incouraging her to leave abusive relationship.
It might have been "honor killing".
But, it could have also been an act of deeply troubled and mentaly ill man.
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Crazy or not, this guy killed people and apparently is a criminal, so he should burn to hell.
But to read some comments here that project his behaviour to all albanians this is laughable. They speak as if in Serbia there is no criminals or crazy people who would do the same thing! Or is it more civilized for some here when huligans roam the streets of Belgrade killing young tourists.
Should we all believe that all serbs are war criminals, mass murderers or mass grave diggers, since so many of them were convicted for these crimes?
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Go pages www.mtv3.fi there you can read more about the shooting.But i have to say.. that man never get to the paradise,,never,he burns to hell!!!
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The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)
Albo, there is a saying in English, when in Rome do as the Romans do. You dont have the right to go to another country and set up your own schools etc.
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"The Albanians in Finland don't have their own schools and universities in the Albanian language yet. That is oppression.
(Albo, 1 January 2010 16:47)"
You do know that they actually receive education of albanian language in finnish schools. I think every minority in finland is entitled to learn their own native language according to finnish law on education and schooling.
What they don't teach in elementary schools in her is, how to use antitank weapons, grenades, hand guns and rifles, your basic military training. But I've seen that in Kosovo though.
At least albanian elementary school in Ljipljan had a class room dedicated to this subject. Now why would albanians have any need to teach their 12-16 year old kids basic military skills,hmm...?
So, summa summarum, no albanian schools to Finland, thank you...
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the guy was a loser plain and simple . his girlfriend dumped him because he was a violent retard and he was so uneducated and bound by tradition he had to go kill people . loser . its more than a coincedence that a lot of losers come from that particular part of europe , i know we have a few of them here in london .
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"But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 13:42)"
This guy was a coward, since he didn't have the guts to face the concequences of his actions. Talk about a guy with honor, he was convicted for a crime three times, suspected of other crimes, had a restraining order set against him, etc. So, protecting his honor, seriously? What honor?!?
Demi, are you aware that we live in the 2oth century here in Finland, and Finland is not muslim country? Maybe in Albania or Kosovo, or where ever you are from, it's acceptable to go around killing people to defend ones honor, but in here we actually have civilized ways to solve our problems.
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Berkeley. I'll tell you what the diffrence is and to everybody else who's confused about the diffrence between killing a high standing political official wich approved the bombing of ones home nation and the random killing of 5 innocent people.
First of and most importantly the number count. This is a massacre. Several people were murdered brutally as in comparison to Anna Lindh's murder which was a single victim homicide.
Secondly, the employees at the Prisma store were completly innocent. They had no relevant connection or bond to the murder what so ever. And so on, I could go on further but I'm going to stop here and really hope this clears out some of the fog for you.
BB.
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"Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
(Balkanialainen, 31 December 2009 23:49)"
Yes, of course it's finnish societys fault, racism, intolerance, blaa, blaa...
In this case the only reason was jeolousy. And he was already convicted before for illegal possession of firearms and assault, so it's not like he even tried to adapt to finnish society.This idiot was just a common criminal with no respect for human life, may he rot in hell.
To Balkanialainen:
You know what I do if go somewhere and feel like I'm not welcomed there? I leave that place. I don't go to the mall and start shooting innocent people.
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"According to Finnish and Serbian official sources this man was criminal but not UCK(KLA)terrorist.
Finland is difficult society with embedded aggression and racism against foreigners so in some sense I can understand why this happens.
I am not finding excuses for poor man but I can understand how he can might have felt in country where people live who don't have compassion for others.
(Balkanialainen, 31 December 2009 23:49)"
You are trying to find excuses. In my mind these are crimes of ill people and it does not matter where they came from. Why don't you leave it at that?
What other indefensible things do you try to defend for the sole reason they are ethnic Albanian?
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The rumor has it that this guy was wanted by Serbian Interpol and a warrant for his arrest? I think that the Serbs are doing a great job in securing borders in Europe, few weeks back I have read that they arrested a Kosovo-albanian gun smuggler who was trying to enter from Serbia into Kosovo with a Swed passport. But then again I bet Serb police arrest dozen of them nothing new for Serbs.
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Greti said: Should serbs really get into this issue???
Greti (and, Berkeley and Ernest), the point of the article, is to highlight a crime committed, and accurately detail the ethnicity of the gunman. It’s no surprise however, that your counter-argument is “what about the Serbs”. Typical of someone who can’t challenge the core facts. But Greti, to answer your question: “Should Serbs really get into the issue”? – yes. You see, as you’d be aware (judging by your dossier of crimes committed by Serbs), the manner in which Western Media Reports Crimes Committed by Serb’s is generally the same. You’re told someone is Serb right from the headline, if he is accused of doing something bad. If however, it’s a non-Serb from the Former Yugoslavia that has committed a crime, your told they’re “Yugoslav”, “Bosnian” or “Kosovar”, leaving the reader to believe that the criminal in question is most likely a Serb. Therefore, it is important to ‘get into the issue’ so that there’s no confusion left behind by the Western world media.
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Ian, do you remember bombing of WTC back in 1993? Small scale bombing, but it was reported that were Serbs who did it (at least in some of the UK media). Also in US Los Angeles Times on the front page and in huge letters blamed bombing on Serbs. Later when they find out that perpetrators were Arabs, story was changed.
Demonizing Serbs through media is something what Limeys and Yanks are good at it.
I suppose it has to do something with upbringing from the small age. Being raised in Yugoslavia, everytime when I lied my father punish me by taking something away from me. But in UK and US that is not the case, it is OK for somebody to lie as long as it can benefit from the lie.
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The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 10:51)
Why? The western media does it every time, but you no longer notice this fact. If a Serbs does anything wrong the western media all over it making sure there is no mistake about who did the “crime”.
In fact in most of the western media they don’t even mention that he was an Albanian from Kosovo because it would damage the western cause by putting a wrong “image in audiences head”. I only heard about the ethnicity of this man once on the BBC and it was never mentioned again. CNN/Fox news etc. covered the incident but never mentioned who this man was or where he can from – Freedom of the Press eh!
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Finland supported Kosovo. Is this the way albanians thank all of their supporters?
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If you want your own schools, language and university either go to Albania or Kosovo. There you have everything and you are not oppressed as Albo stated. I guess by killing your ex girlfriend and other innocent bystanders you are keeping your honor. That is incorrect you are dishonoring your family by being labeled as a murderer. There is no honor for killing someone in cold blood. Islam is a religion of peace not hate.
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I'm shocked, but there was mention that the killer is a Kosovar in the New York Times. See link:
althoughttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/world/europe/01briefs-FinlandBrf.html
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And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important... or is it just to make Kosovo appear negative in the media?
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 11:16)
Like in 2005 when Kosovo Albanian was convicted of running prostitution rings in UK. Guardian journalist wrote article about him a reported his nationality as Serbian. Just enough to demonize Serbs. Your country (UK) was number one of making bad name for Serbs.
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But as much as I heard this guy in Finland was determinated to do this killings. One of the murdered was his ex-girlfriend so his honor must have been jepordized. That is why he was a man to kill him self after the shooting and not like serbs go and hide.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 13:42)
He was really man of honor. Killed few innocent people in process and left his family without father. Strange way to defend his honor. BTW, he also had 2 illegal guns taken from him in previous years, this was third one.
He probably thought that he was in Kosovo where shootings are common way to defend his honor. When you live in someones country you should obey local customs and laws.
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"The media doesn't help by targeting anything negative related to Kosovo. It is all about putting an image in the audiences head.
(Ian, UK, 1 January 2010 10:51)"
Ian I think you are probably quite a decent guy but why say things like the above? If there is a media victim it is Serbia. The media coverage of the wars in the Balkans has been shocking. That is not to deny things but surely a man of your morals can see that it was not healthy. Kosovo has been portrayed in simple good versus evil. Only now are we seeing questions being raised.
To suggest that Kosovo receives some kind of unfair coverage in the western media is absurd in the extreme.
As for the "eastern" media then I think B92 has done no more that report a fact that is of local significance. Unless this is related to honour killing, in which case it is very relevant given Kosovo's EU aspirations, then outside of local media it is not particularly relevant where this man came from. It is just another of these tragedies that we unfortunately see so often relating to mental illness I suspect.
If it is related to honour then that is not the way "young europeans" should act.
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Ian UK said: And be absolutely sure that his origin in Eastern Media will be "Kosovo Albanian" because his ethnicity is apparently important...
Are you claiming ethnicity isn’t important is Western Media? So, from now on I guess I’ll see General Ratko Mladić described as simply Bosnian – by contrast to Serbian War Criminal, right?
And thank you for bringing up the Okalahoma City Bomber. Prior to authorities discovering that the Bomber was a man called Timothy, the popular slander circulating at the time was that Serbian terrorists were responsible. The Western Press did not hold back in reporting this fib. Lets not try and argue that Western Media reporting doesn't consider ethnicity as something that isn't important, particularly when it comes to reporting of Serbs.
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Well, in 2005 Kosovo was a part of Serbia (no need to discuss if it's still like that nowadays), and so it was totally correct to mention him as a Serbian citizen.
(Fop, 1 January 2010 15:28)
To refresh your memory in 2005 was Serbia and Montenegro. So it was not Serbia. So he would not have been citizen of Serbia. BTW, he had Latvian passport obtained by legal way. So he was citizen of Latvia, but still reported to be ethnic Serb. Maybe journalist did not know difference between Serbian and Albanian names. Why she did not reported that he was Latvian? I wrote her email and complain about that, but she never responded. I just wonder why?
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Chill
Beating someone up in a fight and killing 5 people cannot be compared, or are you just looking for some sympathy for this guy?
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From the BBC: "He first dated the Finnish woman, who has not yet been named, soon after his arrival in Finland in 1990. An ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, he had left as Yugoslavia began to break apart, but it is not clear why."
In 1990 it is highly likely that he was simply an economic migrant. Though perhaps Ed Vulliamy will put us right, as he did with the Salt Lake City Shooter, and prove that Serbs (of course) were in fact responsible for the massacre.
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