Is Srbia ready for EU ?
Civilian people are beaten to death.
THIS TIME MILOSEVIC IS NOT IN POWER !!!!!
(frankUSA, 30 September 2009 16:04)
Well mister if I was from US I would rather keep silent instead of preaching while your soldiers are killing off entiere villages 10 000 miles from their home.
Anyway hopefully serbs do not get into EU after so much injustice which happened to them they do not deserve to be a part of Europien Utopia.That club is rather for hypocrats so US would definitely meet the crietria but fortunately an ocean separates the two continents.
I am really curious about the unfortunate, sad 8 souls who gave Denis a poor comment. They either did not even bother to read what he wrote or disagree that we should live in a better world than what we do live in now.
(Ataman, 30 September 2009 15:15)
I am sure that many comments are not read and bad or good grades are based on the name not context.
As an albanian I agree with you 100%. This a matter of being human and civilized and not trying to stick it to each other. It can happen to every nation.
What happened in no way defines Serbia, nor any other nation. Yes we fight each other and maybe hate each other to death, we have our conflicts but we are not animals....
Let's all contribute to make our streets and nations a better place for each people.
(Denis, 29 September 2009 23:26)
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I am really curious about the unfortunate, sad 8 souls who gave Denis a poor comment. They either did not even bother to read what he wrote or disagree that we should live in a better world than what we do live in now.
Where I not necessarily agree with Denis is "maybe hate each other to death" or we should write "MAYBE" in capital letters because some do hate each other, some don't. What is true, in last 1300 or so years there were many fights, in particular in last 200 years.
You know, "eye for an eye" - and the world will be blind quickly.
If that is not exciting enough for you then go to Pristina and put a Serbian T-shirt on and see what happens to you.
Belgrade is very unsafe compared to these places.
(Peggy, 30 September 2009 03:47)
Well I wonder what would happend to people wearing an t-shirt with the albanian flag in the middle of Belgrade ? Just look what happend to the poor french guy and he diden't even wear an albanian t-shirt.
In Prishtina you at least can go aurond with every worlds flag aurond the city without nobody beats you to death. But I agree with you a serbian flag or t-shirt in prishtina would not be accepted at this time. But every other flag would be no problem.
It is not albanian fault that wearing a serbian t-shirt in Prishtina is not safe right now. Complain to your former president slobodan milsovic and the new goverment with Tadic and Jeremic to begin with.
My opinion is: While these FANS (hooligans) love so much their team no matter if it is Partizan from BG or whatever team, I suggest punishing their team also.
Denis from Pristina
It only shows the state of affairs in the Serbian capital. I myself have been a victim of a similar attack and can only say that ex-Yu, with Slovenia as the only exception, is VERY FAR AWAY from anything understood as the European Union.
"RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence."
Yup, you sure don't. Just like you didn't in 1991 in Slovenia and 1991 through 1994 in Croatia and 1992 through 1995 in Bosnia and 1998 through 2000 in Kosovo, right? Give me a break, with your "Serbs don't support violence".
(Alem, 29 September 2009 22:34)
At least comments like yours shows that there is quite a bit of intolerance directed against Serbs. Thank you for showing that to the world.
For Denis and the others, I agree 100%. Good post.
This is why I don't like to come to Belgrade.
(usalek, 29 September 2009 16:39)
Then don't. Come to Melbourne instead. Seeing how the crims here are running out of Indian students to bash, Chinese are getting boring too and Canada had a turn, they might turn their attention to you. You might think that you are safer here so do come for a visit.
If that is not exciting enough for you then go to Pristina and put a Serbian T-shirt on and see what happens to you.
Belgrade is very unsafe compared to these places.
Why do Albanians keep commenting about Kosovo and try to put evrything around it? Hooligan acts and politics are two very different topics. A few hooligans who have done this dont represent twenty million Serbs. Those who have done this brutal crime to our French visitor should face maximum sentence. Seems like Albanians just look for these stories to give their propaganda speeches about Kosovo and Serbs, sorry Albanians your propagandist machine doesn't seem to work on people who have a brain.
first of all: condolences and sympathy to those who lost their family-member and friend in this ugly crime.
as for these passionate serb-haters like kosovo-usa or other smart kids...
future tourists will come to Belgrade as usual.
what I am missing in that whole thing is information about whether this french individual was a hool himself who came to Serbia to hook up with serbian hools or whether he was a simple, peaceful soccoer-fan just being at the wrong place in the wrong time.
but one thing is quite clear: trying to make a political thing of this tragedy is so cheap... it actually displays only the mean character of those who write these hate-comments.
Why don't you Albanians just comment on issues concerning relations between Serbia and A_Kosovo? Your sarcastic, biting, and insensitive comments are despicable. Posters like the Albanians here, is why there will never be peace between Serbs and Albanians.
(winston, 29 September 2009 17:09)
As an albanian I agree with you 100%. This a matter of being human and civilized and not trying to stick it to each other. It can happen to every nation.
What happened in no way defines Serbia, nor any other nation. Yes we fight each other and maybe hate each other to death, we have our conflicts but we are not animals....
Let's all contribute to make our streets and nations a better place for each people.
I am very sorry to hear about this young man. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family.
As for all those Serb haters please keep your racist remarks to your selves. I come from a small town of some twenty thousand people in Ireland and in the past few years a number of youths have been beaten or fatally stabbed should we blame Serbs for this or have Ireland kicked out of the EU?
"RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence."
Yup, you sure don't. Just like you didn't in 1991 in Slovenia and 1991 through 1994 in Croatia and 1992 through 1995 in Bosnia and 1998 through 2000 in Kosovo, right? Give me a break, with your "Serbs don't support violence".
Je suis français et je voudrais remercier les personnes intelligentes pour leurs messages de condoléances; je me joins à eux. Ce soir lors du journal télévisé français, j'ai vu une gerbe de fleurs à Belgrade en l'hommage du défunt qui portait l'inscription "forgive Srbja". Ce message représente la Serbie que je connais, un pays avec un cœur dont la majorité de la population aspire à une vie normale.
Kosovo-USA doit apprendre les bonnes manières; l'heure n'est pas aux messages haineux... Sa mentalité n’a rien à envier aux holligans.
Good evening,
I'm french and I would like to thank all the smart persons who wrote condoleances, I m with them to send my thoughts to his family. Tonight, I watched French television news and I was touched by an inscription on a wreath at Belgrade in honor of the Brice. The message was "forgive Srbja”. This is the Serbia that I know, a country with heart full of love where the majority of the population aspires to live a normal life.
Kosovo-U.S.A should learn good manners, this is no time to hate ...
FOR WHOEVER IS USING THIS PAINFULL ARTICLE TO SCORE SOME POLITICAL POINTS AND THRU THE STONE TO THE OTHER CAMP I SAY
S H A M E AND D I S G R A C E
Can't u once unite to pray for someone who got killed for nothing, Brice deserves much more than the hatred poored here, pls respect him!
I you want to use this event to make your point, then do it in a constructive manner!!
I take this opportunity to petition b92 to be stricter with the new wave of hatred comments that we unfortunately see more and more lately on this side, it is truly disturbing and disgusting!
We might all have different opinions for differents reasons and am not different either, but respect should not be thrown in the garbage bin.
I have the opportunity to be in Belgrade tomorrow and will definitely participate in the march and light a candle for Brice's memory and would gladly light more for whoever has that wish.
This is very sad. It's sad when you hear about these things anywhere. But to the foreign commentators, lets not be sanctimonious about this. Hate crime happens in the US, the UK, across Europe and across the world. This should not be used to beat up all the people of Serbia. It wasn't many years ago a Russian football fan was murdered in London because some English fans thought he was German.
The authorities in Serbia will deal with the cretin who killed this unfortunate Frenchman and will hopefully get on top of any violence in the city.
Were you planning on participating in the pride parade? btw demi as bad as this incident was, it still cannot compare to cutting organs out of innocent people; while they are alive.
it is indeed tragic that the kid died after almost a 2 week struggle... some people however are blowing it way out of proportion... these (and worse) kinds of things happen all over the world regulary and often go unpunished... in this case there will be guilty parties, but it's important to let all facts come to light first before making judgements... when adrenalin kicks in, it's very easy to lose control. i'm sure the kid's attackers didn't intent to kill him and feel worse than any of us here now...
My condolences to the young mans family and friends. This is just horrible and it is something that continues daily throughout the world. As a teacher it is important that we educate our youth to tolerance and respect. Yes we can ask government's to do more, ask police to work more, but that is not the easiest solution. Respect is a foundation that begins at home and with yourself. As Confucius said of the 5 relationships most important is the parent/child relationship. If that goes well so will the rest. Family is so key to the foundations of well-balanced lives; without family and respect we have chaos.
Why do you equate what 1 group of thugs did with the entire Serbian people?! If British hooligans had killed a French fan, I doubt you'd be calling for people to beat Brits in the streets of other countries.
Belgrade is a safe city. Violence like this happens all the time in Western Europe - but I don't see you all saying those places are unfit for tourists.
RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence.
RIP
@niko:
"this is the new policy of serbs against the west citizens and we trying to help this country with ur money and trying to bring them close to EU"
No, it`s not. You could blame MUP because they don`t have the situation under control, but you cannot blame the state or the normal citizen. Those are neonazis/hooligans, and their place should be in jail.
Damn this is sad.... He died for nothing and I hope those who killed him will get maximum prisontime. I don't know if Serbia got the sentence lifetime in jail ?. Anyway this shows that the serbian goverment cannot provide safety for foreign visitors or their own people, let's say the ''gay community'' . It is wrelly a shame how serbian goverment manage this problem and say no to the pride parade because of some scum nationalistisc group are threatning with ''danger''. This showes the lack of Dacic & co to handle their criminals who apparently controls the street's of belgrade.
Kosovo is so long gone for you. This showes it clearly that you are not in a position to rule Kosovo. Will never do and has never had.
May his soul rest in peace and I feel sorry for the his family.
Lets hope that those are just isolated incidents. For e.g. if you want comparison there are much more attacks on foreigners in Finland than in Serbia. But you dont know that, as you dont read Finnish news.
However, those Serbian huligans deserve to rot in prison forever! Maximum prison sentence, nothing less!
Ataman, if you can't understand my question, then I'm sorry. Should I translate it into French? Australian-English or maybe Arabic? Or maybe we should ask the UEFA which banned Partizan just 2 years ago for a similar rampage.
berkeley, you listed every single incident involving foreigners in recent weeks. how is that "just the tip of the iceberg"? it looks like a comprehensive list to me.
i know some people will jump on every opportunity to bash serbia, but let's not be silly. you could compile list of violent crimes against foreigners in many countries and claim they are not safe for foreigners. but if you do that it says more about you than about the country in question.
let's hope something will be done about hooliganism in serbia. it seems to be a very serious problem as compared to many other places.
Why don't you Albanians just comment on issues concerning relations between Serbia and A_Kosovo? Your sarcastic, biting, and insensitive comments are despicable. Posters like the Albanians here, is why there will never be peace between Serbs and Albanians.
Can't understand your question if you indeed live in Berkley. And if you are not "satisfied" with "glorious" Berkley or Oakland crime statistics, feel free to visit East Palo Alto which is close-by.
Our company is in Union City, which is an other "interesting" place, not far away from you.
How about Tijuana, MX which is world's busiest border crossing?
Cases like these would not be even reported in the newspapers - but for some mysterious reason people are not worried to visit Berkley, Oakland, Tijuana. And many residents of pretty well-off Palo Alto drive through University Ave. in East Palo Alto to their workplace at Sun Micro on the daily basis without worries.
Read whole comment which your brother Kosovo USA wrote.
To Kosovo USA
This is not political comment just a pure fact.
I am really sorry that I have to argue with these serb heaters about something which is out of scope of this tragic accident. But B92 moderators are not doing job right when they let people like nikshala and Kosovo USA write comments under this article.
Each link is simply recent news that I found in a two-minute search. Following your logic you should not feel safe in the US either.
My sympathy goes out to the victim and his family - it was tragic and a waste of a young life. I am not going to boycott Belgrade simply because of it, however, because it is still safer than most major US cities.
You still want to pretend that it is safe for foreigners in Belgrade or Serbia? Sorry that I don't share your view, just as the facts show a clear another picture as you present it. We also see just the peak if the iceberg.
Absolutely disgusting and heartbreaking at the same time. My sympathies go out to this man's family. Now's the time for Belgrade to prosecute the @?%$& out of these idiots. Belgrade is a European city, not a den of teenage gangs.
Kosova-USA stated that this will give Belgrade a bad name, and visitors will think twice about visiting. Whats wrong with that statement?!
It is very likely that that will be the short term reaction of any visitor thinking of visiting Belgrade.
If you don't like the sound of that, then you should direct your anger at the extremist groups in serbia carrying out these attacks, and the thugs that killed this innocent man for the simple reason that he was foreign.
For those who have considered my comments poor. Shame on you! This act was barbaric! I dont have to know the victim personally to know as a "foreigner" living in Serbia this is so wrong, what sick mind does this? People may complain about the U.S. but we don't have this kind of Brutality, Every Country has its flaws , its good and bad in politics, society, I cant wrap my mind around this? and I know There are some people who hate americans or should i say foreigners here. Serbia is not my native land and I have more respect for your land and your people here. A YOUNG LIFE was lost here. Somebody's Child. And for That life.. that is made short.. is indescribable in thought. for those of you who are against my comment. I wonder about what kind of person you are? I am not french either, but as a foreigner here I will think seriously now before going out. As I am married to your Citizen. We are a diverse couple and this has caused us to think about serbia in a bad light. This is not the first attack of such brutality. and its not un normal in these events and common other events that this type of brutality occurs even in recent acts. Whats wrong with people these days? and even what I speak now please take the meaning of what I say and bare with me in trying to make sense of this Brutal crime against humanity!
When CZ Belgrade fans acted like monsters on the streets of Prague and beyond, B92 reporter complained about the harshness and illegal detentions by the Czech police.
After this tragic event, it is hard even for B92 to defend the undefendable.
As a happy summer Belgrade´s visitor I was recommending my friends this great town for a visit. I was saddened to hear my friend´s comment on the recent violence on Belgrade´s streets that she was considering coming, but she is afraid to do so now. And that was before Bris died.
Anybody who cares for the reputation of Serbia and Belgrade, do something about it!
While the comment of Kosova-USA can be said was a cheap shot, its rich coming from some serb commentators who jump at evey opportunity / bad news to have a go at Kosovan albanians and protray them as animals who attack anyone that is foreign . I won't name anyone, but you know who you are- so please do not take the moral high ground only when it suits you.
(nikshala, 29 September 2009 14:27)
Why dont you make your "cheap" and insulting coments somewhere else? This is not time and place. What are these moderators doing?
nikshala, you are right, you dont attack foreigners, only serbs and gypsies which are not foreigners in Kosovo.
Laki bani - I'll spell it out again just for you, using short words. This was a horrific piece of murderous hooliganism. It was wrong. It has nothing to do with Kosovo. Got that now? Dear me.
As a foreigner living in Belgrade, and represending the Belgrade Foreign Visitors Club, I have to say that we are all shocked and rattled by the recent increase in violence taking place in Belgrade. So many foreigners have been attacked, and now this poor man has died as a result of a brutal attack.
Many of us do not feel safe going out alone on the streets of central belgrade anymore and I am sure that many of the 20,000 foreigners in Belgrade feel the same.
2 protests have been organized in response to this violence, and I hope that attendance to both of them is very high to show the Serbian Government that this violence will not be tolerated.
While the comment of Kosova-USA can be said was a cheap shot, its rich coming from some serb commentators who jump at evey opportunity / bad news to have a go at Kosovan albanians and protray them as animals who attack anyone that is foreign . I won't name anyone, but you know who you are- so please do not take the moral high ground only when it suits you.
Dave, as I see you are not in any case contributing to this discussion; you go mad by Kosova-USA assertion on the monstrous assassination to a fan who happened to be French citizen in this case. We all know how you feel now; your anxiety rather derives by the fear that this act will draw consequences how in political and all other fields than you fell some condolence. I’m saying this based on your behavior up to now, as far as victims of the other nationalities (less important) were concerned. If you understand and start feeling same about every human being, then I am 100 % sure that Albanian-Serbian rational discussions would commence in time.
At the end; I am truly sorry about the poor young man, and for all innocent victims all over the World.
Sad news and have hardly words for it. How this man had to suffer these days. His family and his friends. Rest in Peace and sincere condolences to the family.
@ the administration. could you please take away the Kosovo-USA comment? As always the first but not even a single word of feelings for the French victim. Please remove!
Buddying with Russia, Iran, China and bad mouthing UK, US, France is an effective mental training for potential hooligans.(BH_NYC, 29 September 2009 12:27)
Sadly, like in "Tuzla Column" and "Bytyqi" cases burning in electric chair is not an option in Serbia. Hopefully, this case won't end like the first two. I am not really "for" the capital punishment, but in certain rare cases I hesitate.
To K-USA: Belgrade tourist scene won't feel much, but the soccer scene certainly will suffer. By the way: 2007 I was hit in the nose in Budapest for driving to slow for another driver's taste. Understand, it was not a planed attack but still not to tolerate.
Serbian politicians have been keeping busy travelling around 'preventing' recognitions and complaining about UN guest lists. In fact, it is these politicians who should be blamed for this death and other attacks. Buddying with Russia, Iran, China and bad mouthing UK, US, France is an effective mental training for potential hooligans. This is a product of Serbian government’s attitude towards Kosova’s supporters.
I am deeply, deeply disturbed of this news. I am an American living in Serbia and this has changed the way I see things here in reference to Serbia's Culture and mentality. Diversity, your nationality should not be an invitation to hurt someone. This is shocking to me. Overwhelming and I have no words but my prayer go out to the family. How horrific is this is. This animalistic behavior is uncivilized and despicable. I grieve with these families. What a shame, a wasted life. The Serbian Government and its court system should write new laws against such violence and there should be justice for the families. Though I have been here a short time I am aware of that this type of violence is present. Were is The humanity in all this? is not a life more important? I hope Serbia and its government steps up to the plate and provides new laws and justice for this family and other who have recently been affected by this type of brutality
my heart and prayers go to the family of thet guy and this is the way serbian huligans are this riality of serbian fans its shame i'hope the get 30 years each person in jail
This tragic death will give Belgrade a bad name , and future tourist will think twice before landing or driving to Belgrade.
(Kosova-USA, 29 September 2009 11:28)
A man is dead. Can you please stop making politic and respect him ? Please, are you able to do that ? And don't answer to me, this is time for sadness.
Brice, all my thoughts go to you, your family and your friends. Repose en paix.
Who murdered this guy should never see the daylight again!!
Charges should dramatically be increase for racial issues!!-we are no longer under Milosevic.
How many more foreigners, gays, atheists, hari krishnas, or human rights defenders have to be threatened, attacked, killed before Serbian public opinion, media and politicians say NO! The "patriot" movement in Serbia, like its counterpart in the US, is dangerous and anti-social and will spell the end of democratic society if nobody stands up and says no way, no how, not here.
All my condolences to the family of this man, but also courage and support to all targeted minorities or non-conformists in Serbia.
The law needs to come down hard on these people now. This should also serve as a wake up call to the police in Belgrade. Instead of looking to make a quick buck they need to focus on removing crime from our streets. How many idle police does Belgrade have? I see them everywhere sitting down doing nothing while guarding diplomatic or government buildings. Surely they can be made more resourceful?
We are getting an increase in street violence and road deaths are unacceptably high. Time for the police to wisen up.
Having said that, I have never had a problem in Belgrade and still consider it a safe city but we need to keep it that way.
A assume the charges will turn to murder one.
This tragic death will give Belgrade a bad name , and future tourist will think twice before landing or driving to Belgrade.
Moderators, for God's sake can we confine Kosova-USA to threads where he/she actually has something relevant to contribute to the discussion, rather than letting him/her turn every news item into a puerile attempt at Serb-baiting which, when others rise to the provocation, means that Serb-Alb name calling replaces rational discussion. A story as tragic as this deserves better.
Moderators, for God's sake can we confine Kosova-USA to threads where he/she actually has something relevant to contribute to the discussion, rather than letting him/her turn every news item into a puerile attempt at Serb-baiting which, when others rise to the provocation, means that Serb-Alb name calling replaces rational discussion. A story as tragic as this deserves better.
This tragic death will give Belgrade a bad name , and future tourist will think twice before landing or driving to Belgrade.
(Kosova-USA, 29 September 2009 11:28)
A man is dead. Can you please stop making politic and respect him ? Please, are you able to do that ? And don't answer to me, this is time for sadness.
Brice, all my thoughts go to you, your family and your friends. Repose en paix.
How many more foreigners, gays, atheists, hari krishnas, or human rights defenders have to be threatened, attacked, killed before Serbian public opinion, media and politicians say NO! The "patriot" movement in Serbia, like its counterpart in the US, is dangerous and anti-social and will spell the end of democratic society if nobody stands up and says no way, no how, not here.
All my condolences to the family of this man, but also courage and support to all targeted minorities or non-conformists in Serbia.
A assume the charges will turn to murder one.
This tragic death will give Belgrade a bad name , and future tourist will think twice before landing or driving to Belgrade.
Sadly, like in "Tuzla Column" and "Bytyqi" cases burning in electric chair is not an option in Serbia. Hopefully, this case won't end like the first two. I am not really "for" the capital punishment, but in certain rare cases I hesitate.
To K-USA: Belgrade tourist scene won't feel much, but the soccer scene certainly will suffer. By the way: 2007 I was hit in the nose in Budapest for driving to slow for another driver's taste. Understand, it was not a planed attack but still not to tolerate.
Who murdered this guy should never see the daylight again!!
Charges should dramatically be increase for racial issues!!-we are no longer under Milosevic.
Je suis français et je voudrais remercier les personnes intelligentes pour leurs messages de condoléances; je me joins à eux. Ce soir lors du journal télévisé français, j'ai vu une gerbe de fleurs à Belgrade en l'hommage du défunt qui portait l'inscription "forgive Srbja". Ce message représente la Serbie que je connais, un pays avec un cœur dont la majorité de la population aspire à une vie normale.
Kosovo-USA doit apprendre les bonnes manières; l'heure n'est pas aux messages haineux... Sa mentalité n’a rien à envier aux holligans.
Good evening,
I'm french and I would like to thank all the smart persons who wrote condoleances, I m with them to send my thoughts to his family. Tonight, I watched French television news and I was touched by an inscription on a wreath at Belgrade in honor of the Brice. The message was "forgive Srbja”. This is the Serbia that I know, a country with heart full of love where the majority of the population aspires to live a normal life.
Kosovo-U.S.A should learn good manners, this is no time to hate ...
Sad news and have hardly words for it. How this man had to suffer these days. His family and his friends. Rest in Peace and sincere condolences to the family.
@ the administration. could you please take away the Kosovo-USA comment? As always the first but not even a single word of feelings for the French victim. Please remove!
Why don't you Albanians just comment on issues concerning relations between Serbia and A_Kosovo? Your sarcastic, biting, and insensitive comments are despicable. Posters like the Albanians here, is why there will never be peace between Serbs and Albanians.
(winston, 29 September 2009 17:09)
As an albanian I agree with you 100%. This a matter of being human and civilized and not trying to stick it to each other. It can happen to every nation.
What happened in no way defines Serbia, nor any other nation. Yes we fight each other and maybe hate each other to death, we have our conflicts but we are not animals....
Let's all contribute to make our streets and nations a better place for each people.
The law needs to come down hard on these people now. This should also serve as a wake up call to the police in Belgrade. Instead of looking to make a quick buck they need to focus on removing crime from our streets. How many idle police does Belgrade have? I see them everywhere sitting down doing nothing while guarding diplomatic or government buildings. Surely they can be made more resourceful?
We are getting an increase in street violence and road deaths are unacceptably high. Time for the police to wisen up.
Having said that, I have never had a problem in Belgrade and still consider it a safe city but we need to keep it that way.
Absolutely disgusting and heartbreaking at the same time. My sympathies go out to this man's family. Now's the time for Belgrade to prosecute the @?%$& out of these idiots. Belgrade is a European city, not a den of teenage gangs.
Laki bani - I'll spell it out again just for you, using short words. This was a horrific piece of murderous hooliganism. It was wrong. It has nothing to do with Kosovo. Got that now? Dear me.
When CZ Belgrade fans acted like monsters on the streets of Prague and beyond, B92 reporter complained about the harshness and illegal detentions by the Czech police.
After this tragic event, it is hard even for B92 to defend the undefendable.
As a happy summer Belgrade´s visitor I was recommending my friends this great town for a visit. I was saddened to hear my friend´s comment on the recent violence on Belgrade´s streets that she was considering coming, but she is afraid to do so now. And that was before Bris died.
Anybody who cares for the reputation of Serbia and Belgrade, do something about it!
I am deeply, deeply disturbed of this news. I am an American living in Serbia and this has changed the way I see things here in reference to Serbia's Culture and mentality. Diversity, your nationality should not be an invitation to hurt someone. This is shocking to me. Overwhelming and I have no words but my prayer go out to the family. How horrific is this is. This animalistic behavior is uncivilized and despicable. I grieve with these families. What a shame, a wasted life. The Serbian Government and its court system should write new laws against such violence and there should be justice for the families. Though I have been here a short time I am aware of that this type of violence is present. Were is The humanity in all this? is not a life more important? I hope Serbia and its government steps up to the plate and provides new laws and justice for this family and other who have recently been affected by this type of brutality
Each link is simply recent news that I found in a two-minute search. Following your logic you should not feel safe in the US either.
My sympathy goes out to the victim and his family - it was tragic and a waste of a young life. I am not going to boycott Belgrade simply because of it, however, because it is still safer than most major US cities.
Read whole comment which your brother Kosovo USA wrote.
To Kosovo USA
This is not political comment just a pure fact.
I am really sorry that I have to argue with these serb heaters about something which is out of scope of this tragic accident. But B92 moderators are not doing job right when they let people like nikshala and Kosovo USA write comments under this article.
As a foreigner living in Belgrade, and represending the Belgrade Foreign Visitors Club, I have to say that we are all shocked and rattled by the recent increase in violence taking place in Belgrade. So many foreigners have been attacked, and now this poor man has died as a result of a brutal attack.
Many of us do not feel safe going out alone on the streets of central belgrade anymore and I am sure that many of the 20,000 foreigners in Belgrade feel the same.
2 protests have been organized in response to this violence, and I hope that attendance to both of them is very high to show the Serbian Government that this violence will not be tolerated.
For those who have considered my comments poor. Shame on you! This act was barbaric! I dont have to know the victim personally to know as a "foreigner" living in Serbia this is so wrong, what sick mind does this? People may complain about the U.S. but we don't have this kind of Brutality, Every Country has its flaws , its good and bad in politics, society, I cant wrap my mind around this? and I know There are some people who hate americans or should i say foreigners here. Serbia is not my native land and I have more respect for your land and your people here. A YOUNG LIFE was lost here. Somebody's Child. And for That life.. that is made short.. is indescribable in thought. for those of you who are against my comment. I wonder about what kind of person you are? I am not french either, but as a foreigner here I will think seriously now before going out. As I am married to your Citizen. We are a diverse couple and this has caused us to think about serbia in a bad light. This is not the first attack of such brutality. and its not un normal in these events and common other events that this type of brutality occurs even in recent acts. Whats wrong with people these days? and even what I speak now please take the meaning of what I say and bare with me in trying to make sense of this Brutal crime against humanity!
Why do you equate what 1 group of thugs did with the entire Serbian people?! If British hooligans had killed a French fan, I doubt you'd be calling for people to beat Brits in the streets of other countries.
Belgrade is a safe city. Violence like this happens all the time in Western Europe - but I don't see you all saying those places are unfit for tourists.
RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence.
You still want to pretend that it is safe for foreigners in Belgrade or Serbia? Sorry that I don't share your view, just as the facts show a clear another picture as you present it. We also see just the peak if the iceberg.
Can't understand your question if you indeed live in Berkley. And if you are not "satisfied" with "glorious" Berkley or Oakland crime statistics, feel free to visit East Palo Alto which is close-by.
Our company is in Union City, which is an other "interesting" place, not far away from you.
How about Tijuana, MX which is world's busiest border crossing?
Cases like these would not be even reported in the newspapers - but for some mysterious reason people are not worried to visit Berkley, Oakland, Tijuana. And many residents of pretty well-off Palo Alto drive through University Ave. in East Palo Alto to their workplace at Sun Micro on the daily basis without worries.
Lets hope that those are just isolated incidents. For e.g. if you want comparison there are much more attacks on foreigners in Finland than in Serbia. But you dont know that, as you dont read Finnish news.
However, those Serbian huligans deserve to rot in prison forever! Maximum prison sentence, nothing less!
While the comment of Kosova-USA can be said was a cheap shot, its rich coming from some serb commentators who jump at evey opportunity / bad news to have a go at Kosovan albanians and protray them as animals who attack anyone that is foreign . I won't name anyone, but you know who you are- so please do not take the moral high ground only when it suits you.
(nikshala, 29 September 2009 14:27)
Why dont you make your "cheap" and insulting coments somewhere else? This is not time and place. What are these moderators doing?
nikshala, you are right, you dont attack foreigners, only serbs and gypsies which are not foreigners in Kosovo.
Why don't you Albanians just comment on issues concerning relations between Serbia and A_Kosovo? Your sarcastic, biting, and insensitive comments are despicable. Posters like the Albanians here, is why there will never be peace between Serbs and Albanians.
berkeley, you listed every single incident involving foreigners in recent weeks. how is that "just the tip of the iceberg"? it looks like a comprehensive list to me.
i know some people will jump on every opportunity to bash serbia, but let's not be silly. you could compile list of violent crimes against foreigners in many countries and claim they are not safe for foreigners. but if you do that it says more about you than about the country in question.
let's hope something will be done about hooliganism in serbia. it seems to be a very serious problem as compared to many other places.
Kosova-USA stated that this will give Belgrade a bad name, and visitors will think twice about visiting. Whats wrong with that statement?!
It is very likely that that will be the short term reaction of any visitor thinking of visiting Belgrade.
If you don't like the sound of that, then you should direct your anger at the extremist groups in serbia carrying out these attacks, and the thugs that killed this innocent man for the simple reason that he was foreign.
"RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence."
Yup, you sure don't. Just like you didn't in 1991 in Slovenia and 1991 through 1994 in Croatia and 1992 through 1995 in Bosnia and 1998 through 2000 in Kosovo, right? Give me a break, with your "Serbs don't support violence".
This is very sad. It's sad when you hear about these things anywhere. But to the foreign commentators, lets not be sanctimonious about this. Hate crime happens in the US, the UK, across Europe and across the world. This should not be used to beat up all the people of Serbia. It wasn't many years ago a Russian football fan was murdered in London because some English fans thought he was German.
The authorities in Serbia will deal with the cretin who killed this unfortunate Frenchman and will hopefully get on top of any violence in the city.
Buddying with Russia, Iran, China and bad mouthing UK, US, France is an effective mental training for potential hooligans.(BH_NYC, 29 September 2009 12:27)
FOR WHOEVER IS USING THIS PAINFULL ARTICLE TO SCORE SOME POLITICAL POINTS AND THRU THE STONE TO THE OTHER CAMP I SAY
S H A M E AND D I S G R A C E
Can't u once unite to pray for someone who got killed for nothing, Brice deserves much more than the hatred poored here, pls respect him!
I you want to use this event to make your point, then do it in a constructive manner!!
I take this opportunity to petition b92 to be stricter with the new wave of hatred comments that we unfortunately see more and more lately on this side, it is truly disturbing and disgusting!
We might all have different opinions for differents reasons and am not different either, but respect should not be thrown in the garbage bin.
I have the opportunity to be in Belgrade tomorrow and will definitely participate in the march and light a candle for Brice's memory and would gladly light more for whoever has that wish.
Serbian politicians have been keeping busy travelling around 'preventing' recognitions and complaining about UN guest lists. In fact, it is these politicians who should be blamed for this death and other attacks. Buddying with Russia, Iran, China and bad mouthing UK, US, France is an effective mental training for potential hooligans. This is a product of Serbian government’s attitude towards Kosova’s supporters.
RIP
@niko:
"this is the new policy of serbs against the west citizens and we trying to help this country with ur money and trying to bring them close to EU"
No, it`s not. You could blame MUP because they don`t have the situation under control, but you cannot blame the state or the normal citizen. Those are neonazis/hooligans, and their place should be in jail.
My condolences to the young mans family and friends. This is just horrible and it is something that continues daily throughout the world. As a teacher it is important that we educate our youth to tolerance and respect. Yes we can ask government's to do more, ask police to work more, but that is not the easiest solution. Respect is a foundation that begins at home and with yourself. As Confucius said of the 5 relationships most important is the parent/child relationship. If that goes well so will the rest. Family is so key to the foundations of well-balanced lives; without family and respect we have chaos.
my heart and prayers go to the family of thet guy and this is the way serbian huligans are this riality of serbian fans its shame i'hope the get 30 years each person in jail
Damn this is sad.... He died for nothing and I hope those who killed him will get maximum prisontime. I don't know if Serbia got the sentence lifetime in jail ?. Anyway this shows that the serbian goverment cannot provide safety for foreign visitors or their own people, let's say the ''gay community'' . It is wrelly a shame how serbian goverment manage this problem and say no to the pride parade because of some scum nationalistisc group are threatning with ''danger''. This showes the lack of Dacic & co to handle their criminals who apparently controls the street's of belgrade.
Kosovo is so long gone for you. This showes it clearly that you are not in a position to rule Kosovo. Will never do and has never had.
May his soul rest in peace and I feel sorry for the his family.
While the comment of Kosova-USA can be said was a cheap shot, its rich coming from some serb commentators who jump at evey opportunity / bad news to have a go at Kosovan albanians and protray them as animals who attack anyone that is foreign . I won't name anyone, but you know who you are- so please do not take the moral high ground only when it suits you.
Why do Albanians keep commenting about Kosovo and try to put evrything around it? Hooligan acts and politics are two very different topics. A few hooligans who have done this dont represent twenty million Serbs. Those who have done this brutal crime to our French visitor should face maximum sentence. Seems like Albanians just look for these stories to give their propaganda speeches about Kosovo and Serbs, sorry Albanians your propagandist machine doesn't seem to work on people who have a brain.
I am very sorry to hear about this young man. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family.
As for all those Serb haters please keep your racist remarks to your selves. I come from a small town of some twenty thousand people in Ireland and in the past few years a number of youths have been beaten or fatally stabbed should we blame Serbs for this or have Ireland kicked out of the EU?
"RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence."
Yup, you sure don't. Just like you didn't in 1991 in Slovenia and 1991 through 1994 in Croatia and 1992 through 1995 in Bosnia and 1998 through 2000 in Kosovo, right? Give me a break, with your "Serbs don't support violence".
(Alem, 29 September 2009 22:34)
At least comments like yours shows that there is quite a bit of intolerance directed against Serbs. Thank you for showing that to the world.
For Denis and the others, I agree 100%. Good post.
As an albanian I agree with you 100%. This a matter of being human and civilized and not trying to stick it to each other. It can happen to every nation.
What happened in no way defines Serbia, nor any other nation. Yes we fight each other and maybe hate each other to death, we have our conflicts but we are not animals....
Let's all contribute to make our streets and nations a better place for each people.
(Denis, 29 September 2009 23:26)
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I am really curious about the unfortunate, sad 8 souls who gave Denis a poor comment. They either did not even bother to read what he wrote or disagree that we should live in a better world than what we do live in now.
Where I not necessarily agree with Denis is "maybe hate each other to death" or we should write "MAYBE" in capital letters because some do hate each other, some don't. What is true, in last 1300 or so years there were many fights, in particular in last 200 years.
You know, "eye for an eye" - and the world will be blind quickly.
Dave, as I see you are not in any case contributing to this discussion; you go mad by Kosova-USA assertion on the monstrous assassination to a fan who happened to be French citizen in this case. We all know how you feel now; your anxiety rather derives by the fear that this act will draw consequences how in political and all other fields than you fell some condolence. I’m saying this based on your behavior up to now, as far as victims of the other nationalities (less important) were concerned. If you understand and start feeling same about every human being, then I am 100 % sure that Albanian-Serbian rational discussions would commence in time.
At the end; I am truly sorry about the poor young man, and for all innocent victims all over the World.
Ataman, if you can't understand my question, then I'm sorry. Should I translate it into French? Australian-English or maybe Arabic? Or maybe we should ask the UEFA which banned Partizan just 2 years ago for a similar rampage.
Were you planning on participating in the pride parade? btw demi as bad as this incident was, it still cannot compare to cutting organs out of innocent people; while they are alive.
My opinion is: While these FANS (hooligans) love so much their team no matter if it is Partizan from BG or whatever team, I suggest punishing their team also.
Denis from Pristina
If that is not exciting enough for you then go to Pristina and put a Serbian T-shirt on and see what happens to you.
Belgrade is very unsafe compared to these places.
(Peggy, 30 September 2009 03:47)
Well I wonder what would happend to people wearing an t-shirt with the albanian flag in the middle of Belgrade ? Just look what happend to the poor french guy and he diden't even wear an albanian t-shirt.
In Prishtina you at least can go aurond with every worlds flag aurond the city without nobody beats you to death. But I agree with you a serbian flag or t-shirt in prishtina would not be accepted at this time. But every other flag would be no problem.
It is not albanian fault that wearing a serbian t-shirt in Prishtina is not safe right now. Complain to your former president slobodan milsovic and the new goverment with Tadic and Jeremic to begin with.
it is indeed tragic that the kid died after almost a 2 week struggle... some people however are blowing it way out of proportion... these (and worse) kinds of things happen all over the world regulary and often go unpunished... in this case there will be guilty parties, but it's important to let all facts come to light first before making judgements... when adrenalin kicks in, it's very easy to lose control. i'm sure the kid's attackers didn't intent to kill him and feel worse than any of us here now...
first of all: condolences and sympathy to those who lost their family-member and friend in this ugly crime.
as for these passionate serb-haters like kosovo-usa or other smart kids...
future tourists will come to Belgrade as usual.
what I am missing in that whole thing is information about whether this french individual was a hool himself who came to Serbia to hook up with serbian hools or whether he was a simple, peaceful soccoer-fan just being at the wrong place in the wrong time.
but one thing is quite clear: trying to make a political thing of this tragedy is so cheap... it actually displays only the mean character of those who write these hate-comments.
Is Srbia ready for EU ?
Civilian people are beaten to death.
THIS TIME MILOSEVIC IS NOT IN POWER !!!!!
(frankUSA, 30 September 2009 16:04)
Well mister if I was from US I would rather keep silent instead of preaching while your soldiers are killing off entiere villages 10 000 miles from their home.
Anyway hopefully serbs do not get into EU after so much injustice which happened to them they do not deserve to be a part of Europien Utopia.That club is rather for hypocrats so US would definitely meet the crietria but fortunately an ocean separates the two continents.
I am really curious about the unfortunate, sad 8 souls who gave Denis a poor comment. They either did not even bother to read what he wrote or disagree that we should live in a better world than what we do live in now.
(Ataman, 30 September 2009 15:15)
I am sure that many comments are not read and bad or good grades are based on the name not context.
This is why I don't like to come to Belgrade.
(usalek, 29 September 2009 16:39)
Then don't. Come to Melbourne instead. Seeing how the crims here are running out of Indian students to bash, Chinese are getting boring too and Canada had a turn, they might turn their attention to you. You might think that you are safer here so do come for a visit.
If that is not exciting enough for you then go to Pristina and put a Serbian T-shirt on and see what happens to you.
Belgrade is very unsafe compared to these places.
It only shows the state of affairs in the Serbian capital. I myself have been a victim of a similar attack and can only say that ex-Yu, with Slovenia as the only exception, is VERY FAR AWAY from anything understood as the European Union.
A assume the charges will turn to murder one.
This tragic death will give Belgrade a bad name , and future tourist will think twice before landing or driving to Belgrade.
Serbian politicians have been keeping busy travelling around 'preventing' recognitions and complaining about UN guest lists. In fact, it is these politicians who should be blamed for this death and other attacks. Buddying with Russia, Iran, China and bad mouthing UK, US, France is an effective mental training for potential hooligans. This is a product of Serbian government’s attitude towards Kosova’s supporters.
You still want to pretend that it is safe for foreigners in Belgrade or Serbia? Sorry that I don't share your view, just as the facts show a clear another picture as you present it. We also see just the peak if the iceberg.
"RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence."
Yup, you sure don't. Just like you didn't in 1991 in Slovenia and 1991 through 1994 in Croatia and 1992 through 1995 in Bosnia and 1998 through 2000 in Kosovo, right? Give me a break, with your "Serbs don't support violence".
Damn this is sad.... He died for nothing and I hope those who killed him will get maximum prisontime. I don't know if Serbia got the sentence lifetime in jail ?. Anyway this shows that the serbian goverment cannot provide safety for foreign visitors or their own people, let's say the ''gay community'' . It is wrelly a shame how serbian goverment manage this problem and say no to the pride parade because of some scum nationalistisc group are threatning with ''danger''. This showes the lack of Dacic & co to handle their criminals who apparently controls the street's of belgrade.
Kosovo is so long gone for you. This showes it clearly that you are not in a position to rule Kosovo. Will never do and has never had.
May his soul rest in peace and I feel sorry for the his family.
While the comment of Kosova-USA can be said was a cheap shot, its rich coming from some serb commentators who jump at evey opportunity / bad news to have a go at Kosovan albanians and protray them as animals who attack anyone that is foreign . I won't name anyone, but you know who you are- so please do not take the moral high ground only when it suits you.
Kosova-USA stated that this will give Belgrade a bad name, and visitors will think twice about visiting. Whats wrong with that statement?!
It is very likely that that will be the short term reaction of any visitor thinking of visiting Belgrade.
If you don't like the sound of that, then you should direct your anger at the extremist groups in serbia carrying out these attacks, and the thugs that killed this innocent man for the simple reason that he was foreign.
How many more foreigners, gays, atheists, hari krishnas, or human rights defenders have to be threatened, attacked, killed before Serbian public opinion, media and politicians say NO! The "patriot" movement in Serbia, like its counterpart in the US, is dangerous and anti-social and will spell the end of democratic society if nobody stands up and says no way, no how, not here.
All my condolences to the family of this man, but also courage and support to all targeted minorities or non-conformists in Serbia.
I am deeply, deeply disturbed of this news. I am an American living in Serbia and this has changed the way I see things here in reference to Serbia's Culture and mentality. Diversity, your nationality should not be an invitation to hurt someone. This is shocking to me. Overwhelming and I have no words but my prayer go out to the family. How horrific is this is. This animalistic behavior is uncivilized and despicable. I grieve with these families. What a shame, a wasted life. The Serbian Government and its court system should write new laws against such violence and there should be justice for the families. Though I have been here a short time I am aware of that this type of violence is present. Were is The humanity in all this? is not a life more important? I hope Serbia and its government steps up to the plate and provides new laws and justice for this family and other who have recently been affected by this type of brutality
Ataman, if you can't understand my question, then I'm sorry. Should I translate it into French? Australian-English or maybe Arabic? Or maybe we should ask the UEFA which banned Partizan just 2 years ago for a similar rampage.
Dave, as I see you are not in any case contributing to this discussion; you go mad by Kosova-USA assertion on the monstrous assassination to a fan who happened to be French citizen in this case. We all know how you feel now; your anxiety rather derives by the fear that this act will draw consequences how in political and all other fields than you fell some condolence. I’m saying this based on your behavior up to now, as far as victims of the other nationalities (less important) were concerned. If you understand and start feeling same about every human being, then I am 100 % sure that Albanian-Serbian rational discussions would commence in time.
At the end; I am truly sorry about the poor young man, and for all innocent victims all over the World.
Je suis français et je voudrais remercier les personnes intelligentes pour leurs messages de condoléances; je me joins à eux. Ce soir lors du journal télévisé français, j'ai vu une gerbe de fleurs à Belgrade en l'hommage du défunt qui portait l'inscription "forgive Srbja". Ce message représente la Serbie que je connais, un pays avec un cœur dont la majorité de la population aspire à une vie normale.
Kosovo-USA doit apprendre les bonnes manières; l'heure n'est pas aux messages haineux... Sa mentalité n’a rien à envier aux holligans.
Good evening,
I'm french and I would like to thank all the smart persons who wrote condoleances, I m with them to send my thoughts to his family. Tonight, I watched French television news and I was touched by an inscription on a wreath at Belgrade in honor of the Brice. The message was "forgive Srbja”. This is the Serbia that I know, a country with heart full of love where the majority of the population aspires to live a normal life.
Kosovo-U.S.A should learn good manners, this is no time to hate ...
Why don't you Albanians just comment on issues concerning relations between Serbia and A_Kosovo? Your sarcastic, biting, and insensitive comments are despicable. Posters like the Albanians here, is why there will never be peace between Serbs and Albanians.
Were you planning on participating in the pride parade? btw demi as bad as this incident was, it still cannot compare to cutting organs out of innocent people; while they are alive.
Moderators, for God's sake can we confine Kosova-USA to threads where he/she actually has something relevant to contribute to the discussion, rather than letting him/her turn every news item into a puerile attempt at Serb-baiting which, when others rise to the provocation, means that Serb-Alb name calling replaces rational discussion. A story as tragic as this deserves better.
Read whole comment which your brother Kosovo USA wrote.
To Kosovo USA
This is not political comment just a pure fact.
I am really sorry that I have to argue with these serb heaters about something which is out of scope of this tragic accident. But B92 moderators are not doing job right when they let people like nikshala and Kosovo USA write comments under this article.
For those who have considered my comments poor. Shame on you! This act was barbaric! I dont have to know the victim personally to know as a "foreigner" living in Serbia this is so wrong, what sick mind does this? People may complain about the U.S. but we don't have this kind of Brutality, Every Country has its flaws , its good and bad in politics, society, I cant wrap my mind around this? and I know There are some people who hate americans or should i say foreigners here. Serbia is not my native land and I have more respect for your land and your people here. A YOUNG LIFE was lost here. Somebody's Child. And for That life.. that is made short.. is indescribable in thought. for those of you who are against my comment. I wonder about what kind of person you are? I am not french either, but as a foreigner here I will think seriously now before going out. As I am married to your Citizen. We are a diverse couple and this has caused us to think about serbia in a bad light. This is not the first attack of such brutality. and its not un normal in these events and common other events that this type of brutality occurs even in recent acts. Whats wrong with people these days? and even what I speak now please take the meaning of what I say and bare with me in trying to make sense of this Brutal crime against humanity!
FOR WHOEVER IS USING THIS PAINFULL ARTICLE TO SCORE SOME POLITICAL POINTS AND THRU THE STONE TO THE OTHER CAMP I SAY
S H A M E AND D I S G R A C E
Can't u once unite to pray for someone who got killed for nothing, Brice deserves much more than the hatred poored here, pls respect him!
I you want to use this event to make your point, then do it in a constructive manner!!
I take this opportunity to petition b92 to be stricter with the new wave of hatred comments that we unfortunately see more and more lately on this side, it is truly disturbing and disgusting!
We might all have different opinions for differents reasons and am not different either, but respect should not be thrown in the garbage bin.
I have the opportunity to be in Belgrade tomorrow and will definitely participate in the march and light a candle for Brice's memory and would gladly light more for whoever has that wish.
it is indeed tragic that the kid died after almost a 2 week struggle... some people however are blowing it way out of proportion... these (and worse) kinds of things happen all over the world regulary and often go unpunished... in this case there will be guilty parties, but it's important to let all facts come to light first before making judgements... when adrenalin kicks in, it's very easy to lose control. i'm sure the kid's attackers didn't intent to kill him and feel worse than any of us here now...
I am very sorry to hear about this young man. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family.
As for all those Serb haters please keep your racist remarks to your selves. I come from a small town of some twenty thousand people in Ireland and in the past few years a number of youths have been beaten or fatally stabbed should we blame Serbs for this or have Ireland kicked out of the EU?
If that is not exciting enough for you then go to Pristina and put a Serbian T-shirt on and see what happens to you.
Belgrade is very unsafe compared to these places.
(Peggy, 30 September 2009 03:47)
Well I wonder what would happend to people wearing an t-shirt with the albanian flag in the middle of Belgrade ? Just look what happend to the poor french guy and he diden't even wear an albanian t-shirt.
In Prishtina you at least can go aurond with every worlds flag aurond the city without nobody beats you to death. But I agree with you a serbian flag or t-shirt in prishtina would not be accepted at this time. But every other flag would be no problem.
It is not albanian fault that wearing a serbian t-shirt in Prishtina is not safe right now. Complain to your former president slobodan milsovic and the new goverment with Tadic and Jeremic to begin with.
RIP
@niko:
"this is the new policy of serbs against the west citizens and we trying to help this country with ur money and trying to bring them close to EU"
No, it`s not. You could blame MUP because they don`t have the situation under control, but you cannot blame the state or the normal citizen. Those are neonazis/hooligans, and their place should be in jail.
This is very sad. It's sad when you hear about these things anywhere. But to the foreign commentators, lets not be sanctimonious about this. Hate crime happens in the US, the UK, across Europe and across the world. This should not be used to beat up all the people of Serbia. It wasn't many years ago a Russian football fan was murdered in London because some English fans thought he was German.
The authorities in Serbia will deal with the cretin who killed this unfortunate Frenchman and will hopefully get on top of any violence in the city.
Each link is simply recent news that I found in a two-minute search. Following your logic you should not feel safe in the US either.
My sympathy goes out to the victim and his family - it was tragic and a waste of a young life. I am not going to boycott Belgrade simply because of it, however, because it is still safer than most major US cities.
This is why I don't like to come to Belgrade.
(usalek, 29 September 2009 16:39)
Then don't. Come to Melbourne instead. Seeing how the crims here are running out of Indian students to bash, Chinese are getting boring too and Canada had a turn, they might turn their attention to you. You might think that you are safer here so do come for a visit.
If that is not exciting enough for you then go to Pristina and put a Serbian T-shirt on and see what happens to you.
Belgrade is very unsafe compared to these places.
While the comment of Kosova-USA can be said was a cheap shot, its rich coming from some serb commentators who jump at evey opportunity / bad news to have a go at Kosovan albanians and protray them as animals who attack anyone that is foreign . I won't name anyone, but you know who you are- so please do not take the moral high ground only when it suits you.
(nikshala, 29 September 2009 14:27)
Why dont you make your "cheap" and insulting coments somewhere else? This is not time and place. What are these moderators doing?
nikshala, you are right, you dont attack foreigners, only serbs and gypsies which are not foreigners in Kosovo.
first of all: condolences and sympathy to those who lost their family-member and friend in this ugly crime.
as for these passionate serb-haters like kosovo-usa or other smart kids...
future tourists will come to Belgrade as usual.
what I am missing in that whole thing is information about whether this french individual was a hool himself who came to Serbia to hook up with serbian hools or whether he was a simple, peaceful soccoer-fan just being at the wrong place in the wrong time.
but one thing is quite clear: trying to make a political thing of this tragedy is so cheap... it actually displays only the mean character of those who write these hate-comments.
Sadly, like in "Tuzla Column" and "Bytyqi" cases burning in electric chair is not an option in Serbia. Hopefully, this case won't end like the first two. I am not really "for" the capital punishment, but in certain rare cases I hesitate.
To K-USA: Belgrade tourist scene won't feel much, but the soccer scene certainly will suffer. By the way: 2007 I was hit in the nose in Budapest for driving to slow for another driver's taste. Understand, it was not a planed attack but still not to tolerate.
Sad news and have hardly words for it. How this man had to suffer these days. His family and his friends. Rest in Peace and sincere condolences to the family.
@ the administration. could you please take away the Kosovo-USA comment? As always the first but not even a single word of feelings for the French victim. Please remove!
As a foreigner living in Belgrade, and represending the Belgrade Foreign Visitors Club, I have to say that we are all shocked and rattled by the recent increase in violence taking place in Belgrade. So many foreigners have been attacked, and now this poor man has died as a result of a brutal attack.
Many of us do not feel safe going out alone on the streets of central belgrade anymore and I am sure that many of the 20,000 foreigners in Belgrade feel the same.
2 protests have been organized in response to this violence, and I hope that attendance to both of them is very high to show the Serbian Government that this violence will not be tolerated.
Can't understand your question if you indeed live in Berkley. And if you are not "satisfied" with "glorious" Berkley or Oakland crime statistics, feel free to visit East Palo Alto which is close-by.
Our company is in Union City, which is an other "interesting" place, not far away from you.
How about Tijuana, MX which is world's busiest border crossing?
Cases like these would not be even reported in the newspapers - but for some mysterious reason people are not worried to visit Berkley, Oakland, Tijuana. And many residents of pretty well-off Palo Alto drive through University Ave. in East Palo Alto to their workplace at Sun Micro on the daily basis without worries.
Why do you equate what 1 group of thugs did with the entire Serbian people?! If British hooligans had killed a French fan, I doubt you'd be calling for people to beat Brits in the streets of other countries.
Belgrade is a safe city. Violence like this happens all the time in Western Europe - but I don't see you all saying those places are unfit for tourists.
RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence.
Why don't you Albanians just comment on issues concerning relations between Serbia and A_Kosovo? Your sarcastic, biting, and insensitive comments are despicable. Posters like the Albanians here, is why there will never be peace between Serbs and Albanians.
(winston, 29 September 2009 17:09)
As an albanian I agree with you 100%. This a matter of being human and civilized and not trying to stick it to each other. It can happen to every nation.
What happened in no way defines Serbia, nor any other nation. Yes we fight each other and maybe hate each other to death, we have our conflicts but we are not animals....
Let's all contribute to make our streets and nations a better place for each people.
"RIP Brice Taton. The people of Belgrade and Serbia will show the world these days that they DO NOT support violence."
Yup, you sure don't. Just like you didn't in 1991 in Slovenia and 1991 through 1994 in Croatia and 1992 through 1995 in Bosnia and 1998 through 2000 in Kosovo, right? Give me a break, with your "Serbs don't support violence".
(Alem, 29 September 2009 22:34)
At least comments like yours shows that there is quite a bit of intolerance directed against Serbs. Thank you for showing that to the world.
For Denis and the others, I agree 100%. Good post.
It only shows the state of affairs in the Serbian capital. I myself have been a victim of a similar attack and can only say that ex-Yu, with Slovenia as the only exception, is VERY FAR AWAY from anything understood as the European Union.
Who murdered this guy should never see the daylight again!!
Charges should dramatically be increase for racial issues!!-we are no longer under Milosevic.
This tragic death will give Belgrade a bad name , and future tourist will think twice before landing or driving to Belgrade.
(Kosova-USA, 29 September 2009 11:28)
A man is dead. Can you please stop making politic and respect him ? Please, are you able to do that ? And don't answer to me, this is time for sadness.
Brice, all my thoughts go to you, your family and your friends. Repose en paix.
When CZ Belgrade fans acted like monsters on the streets of Prague and beyond, B92 reporter complained about the harshness and illegal detentions by the Czech police.
After this tragic event, it is hard even for B92 to defend the undefendable.
As a happy summer Belgrade´s visitor I was recommending my friends this great town for a visit. I was saddened to hear my friend´s comment on the recent violence on Belgrade´s streets that she was considering coming, but she is afraid to do so now. And that was before Bris died.
Anybody who cares for the reputation of Serbia and Belgrade, do something about it!
Why do Albanians keep commenting about Kosovo and try to put evrything around it? Hooligan acts and politics are two very different topics. A few hooligans who have done this dont represent twenty million Serbs. Those who have done this brutal crime to our French visitor should face maximum sentence. Seems like Albanians just look for these stories to give their propaganda speeches about Kosovo and Serbs, sorry Albanians your propagandist machine doesn't seem to work on people who have a brain.
Laki bani - I'll spell it out again just for you, using short words. This was a horrific piece of murderous hooliganism. It was wrong. It has nothing to do with Kosovo. Got that now? Dear me.
Absolutely disgusting and heartbreaking at the same time. My sympathies go out to this man's family. Now's the time for Belgrade to prosecute the @?%$& out of these idiots. Belgrade is a European city, not a den of teenage gangs.
berkeley, you listed every single incident involving foreigners in recent weeks. how is that "just the tip of the iceberg"? it looks like a comprehensive list to me.
i know some people will jump on every opportunity to bash serbia, but let's not be silly. you could compile list of violent crimes against foreigners in many countries and claim they are not safe for foreigners. but if you do that it says more about you than about the country in question.
let's hope something will be done about hooliganism in serbia. it seems to be a very serious problem as compared to many other places.
Lets hope that those are just isolated incidents. For e.g. if you want comparison there are much more attacks on foreigners in Finland than in Serbia. But you dont know that, as you dont read Finnish news.
However, those Serbian huligans deserve to rot in prison forever! Maximum prison sentence, nothing less!
As an albanian I agree with you 100%. This a matter of being human and civilized and not trying to stick it to each other. It can happen to every nation.
What happened in no way defines Serbia, nor any other nation. Yes we fight each other and maybe hate each other to death, we have our conflicts but we are not animals....
Let's all contribute to make our streets and nations a better place for each people.
(Denis, 29 September 2009 23:26)
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I am really curious about the unfortunate, sad 8 souls who gave Denis a poor comment. They either did not even bother to read what he wrote or disagree that we should live in a better world than what we do live in now.
Where I not necessarily agree with Denis is "maybe hate each other to death" or we should write "MAYBE" in capital letters because some do hate each other, some don't. What is true, in last 1300 or so years there were many fights, in particular in last 200 years.
You know, "eye for an eye" - and the world will be blind quickly.
The law needs to come down hard on these people now. This should also serve as a wake up call to the police in Belgrade. Instead of looking to make a quick buck they need to focus on removing crime from our streets. How many idle police does Belgrade have? I see them everywhere sitting down doing nothing while guarding diplomatic or government buildings. Surely they can be made more resourceful?
We are getting an increase in street violence and road deaths are unacceptably high. Time for the police to wisen up.
Having said that, I have never had a problem in Belgrade and still consider it a safe city but we need to keep it that way.
my heart and prayers go to the family of thet guy and this is the way serbian huligans are this riality of serbian fans its shame i'hope the get 30 years each person in jail
My condolences to the young mans family and friends. This is just horrible and it is something that continues daily throughout the world. As a teacher it is important that we educate our youth to tolerance and respect. Yes we can ask government's to do more, ask police to work more, but that is not the easiest solution. Respect is a foundation that begins at home and with yourself. As Confucius said of the 5 relationships most important is the parent/child relationship. If that goes well so will the rest. Family is so key to the foundations of well-balanced lives; without family and respect we have chaos.
Buddying with Russia, Iran, China and bad mouthing UK, US, France is an effective mental training for potential hooligans.(BH_NYC, 29 September 2009 12:27)
Is Srbia ready for EU ?
Civilian people are beaten to death.
THIS TIME MILOSEVIC IS NOT IN POWER !!!!!
(frankUSA, 30 September 2009 16:04)
Well mister if I was from US I would rather keep silent instead of preaching while your soldiers are killing off entiere villages 10 000 miles from their home.
Anyway hopefully serbs do not get into EU after so much injustice which happened to them they do not deserve to be a part of Europien Utopia.That club is rather for hypocrats so US would definitely meet the crietria but fortunately an ocean separates the two continents.
I am really curious about the unfortunate, sad 8 souls who gave Denis a poor comment. They either did not even bother to read what he wrote or disagree that we should live in a better world than what we do live in now.
(Ataman, 30 September 2009 15:15)
I am sure that many comments are not read and bad or good grades are based on the name not context.
My opinion is: While these FANS (hooligans) love so much their team no matter if it is Partizan from BG or whatever team, I suggest punishing their team also.
Denis from Pristina
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