Soros: Trouble with Russia

Soros has no business in international politics.

Kate,

Why are you so upset with Soros? He is free to make any comments as we are. We express our comments in here and B92 kindly has created us that opportunity. What Soros is saying it is the truth. The truth sometimes can not be a good thing for some people but it is the truth and we should honour it. What about if Soros would have said something that you favour?

Thanks to Mr. Soros for telling the truth.
Mr. Soros has been helping the right cause for a long time all over the world, in Kosova also.
This is one more proof that our albanian leaders made friends all over the world while the Serb leaders liked to play the role of the ostrich to put their heads in the sands and only know the serbs leaders got their heads out of the sand and start accusing everyone around the world for the problems that the serb leaders created themselves.
Thanks again to mr. Soros for supporting the reality and the truth.

Soros is absolutelly right. But I think the United States, Britain, Germany and the Western World should already start to build up the “Plan B” for Kosovo, since is cristal clear that Russia will veto the independence of Kosovo at the UN Security Council, no matter waht will happen.

EA - I honestly would have said exactly the same. I don't believe that money should qualify you to have influence in international affairs. In the US this is extremely dangerous with the various lobbying groups.

Mr Soros is a business man who only looks after his own interests and should stay out of the internal politics of Serbia and for that matter European politics.
I presume he lives mostly in the US and therefore can spend his time lobbying those who desperately need his money. Those who may not necessarily have correct intentions or intense understanding of European history.
Mr. Soros even appeared on Australian TV very recently making suggestions to the viewers and downplaying our prime minister, Mr. Howard, and the interview showed him in a very ordinary light.
He should keep out of Australian, Russian and Serbian politics.
I sincerely hope B92 has the guts to print this.
cheers

Kate - Soros has no bearing on world affairs, it's just that he's famous and Hungarian. if David Beckham had said the same things, the comments would be reported.

As long as Soros & co. are criticizing Russia-that just means Russia is doing right things and is on a good track!Cash reservs reached 360 bn $,time to show some teeth finally!Keep going Vlad!

Ah Soros - I was wondering when he might come to the fore! It was inevitable since his good firend Ahtisaari has balls'd up well and truly!

EA, Afrim & MaGioZal,
Now lets analyse his words
- "If Russia really does veto" - since you believe his word as truth I guess we can assume this is now the ineviatble situation - Ahtisaari plan is well and truly dead!!!

Kate - Soros is a wealthy individual and with it he can buy power your right but he is still only one individual and eventually you can see his malice and either be corrupted by it or stand on principled ground against it! His words do much to shoot his own foot!

MaGioZal, you are right somebody ( needs to be working on plan B seeing as the folly of Independence is now shattered!!! I am certain that this will become clear in time that plan B is already accounted for and it does not involve ILLEGAL declarations!

However, consider that ILLEGAL declarations are ILLEGAL!!! Soros with his words is suggesting that this is the worst case scenario for the EU since it will have no jurisdiction via a new resolution in running the Serbian province since 1244 remains in effect. No new resolution no EUMIK - the issue of recognition is a red herring since it has always been a devisive issue within the EU and all it takes is one NO from any of the likely candidates Spain, Slovakia, Romania, Greece, Cyprus or even wavering Italy to block all others from recognising what will be an ILLEGAL entity. There is no budget for such a mission - the EU were squabbaling over rebates and better distribution between themselves in the last few years without needing to fork out a supposed 1.5 Billion Euro's and creating another furore just before they need to agree on what to do regarding a consitution or not!!! For want of a better set of words and since Rehn likes his analogies it looks like the Independence train service is well and truly cancelled - not postponed CANCELLED!!!

Now turning to the US - sui generis is no longer valid if they try to amputate Serbia and recognise an ILLEGAL declaration against International laws and resolutions that they themselves drafted and signed less then 8 years previously!! Fairly ironic that it is a mess that Bush did not create and will likely leave to the next President to sort instead!!! Bear in mind the likelyhood of no recognistion since ff they go against International law then hey Presto they can expect Georgia to have lost it's provinces to Russian recognition, Nagorno-Karabakh to declare independence and many other places around the Globe such as Western Sahara (invaded by Morroco in 1975) which will declare independence against the Morrocans insistance that it remains part of it's territory and perversly the US back the Morrocan's on this - note the contradiction in US foreign ploicy !!! It was mentioned some months back the US have created a self clossing trap for themselves and it certainly looks like the lid is closing in!!! I very much doubt the US are inclined to set off the precedence that they will in recognising an ILLEGAL entity!!! I think they have far too much on their plate at the moment as it is!!!

It is time that real talks and genuine "negotiations" were held - ILLEGAL declarations have no validity and as such, such an entity will economically nose dive since there will be no UN or EU funds and equally no formal validity. There will be no chance of ever gaining any status other then the same as Northern Cyprus - look where they are after 30 years or there will be a new "frozen conflict" in the Blakans rather then the Caucas!!! Serbia will not have to act militarily - no point in shooting yourself in the foot - learnt that lesson well in the 90's - but it can bide it's time since International law will be fairly and squarely in Serbia's court.

Surely then the reality will sink that the best way forward is to negotiate an agreement that is favourable for all concerned! Is it not time that everyone thought out of the "conflict" box and created that opportunity for all to better their lives and move forward in new found understanding and reconciliation!!!

WIN-WIN is still there for the taking but the window of opportunity is closing in!

PB - Yes, but David Beckham doesn't lobby to affect international policies.

EU did a huge mistake when approved joining of Orthodox Europe countries. They have been and always will be the Russian allies.

Kate - yes, maybe, but in reality he's a small fish in a very big pond. very little influence. he still thinks he heads the austro hungarian empire, hehehe

Russia will never veto Un resolution on kosovo. If it wanted to do that, it would have stayed put and waited for the voting day. It is making this big noise to prevent the resolution being put to vote. I know that the noisiest ones before a meeting usually are the quietest when the meeting starts. If Russia was determined to use veto, it would have just waited the moment to do so.

"Precisely this will demonstrate the length Russia will go to in order to create trouble in the world,” Soros was quoted as saying. "

It's so evident that soros is denying that the usa are the real problem in the world!

To "Troyan Horse" - quote:
"EU did a huge mistake when approved joining of Orthodox Europe countries. They have been and always will be the Russian allies".

I presume that your intervention on this forum is intended to contribute in some ways to the discussion. Sadly enough, this is not the case. Why? Because the Orthodox countries you are talking about are Bulgaria and Romania (the last one being my country). If you think that about Greece, then you should know Greece is already a member of EU for some decades.

Now, either you want just to offend people, either you have no idea about historical relations between Romania and Russia, which are very much like the ones between Russia and Poland, or Hungary. Meaning that Romania was never allied with Russia, unless forced to do so (e.g. during First World War, when Russia was in alliance with France and UK against Germany and Austro-Hungarian Empire, and during USSR domination of South-East Europe, 1945 to 1990, while the Warsaw Pact countries were acting like Moscow satellites…). Romanians are not of Slavic origin, but Latin, and yes, 85% of them are Christian Orthodox (the main difference between us and Russians, Bulgarians or Serbs is that Romanians are observing the Western-type calendar).

Therefore, if your are Albanian and probably upset because Romania has reserves regarding the independence of Kosovo, then you should say it directly. We Romanians we appreciate frankness especially between friends, since we consider all Balkan nations to be our friends. Where the Balkan nations’ patriots did take refuge from Turks, during centuries of Ottoman domination? Mostly North of Danube!

So, it makes no sense to use one’s religion or ethnicity as an insult and to generalize conclusions in an erroneous manner.
As for Romania’s position over Kosovo issue, the things are as following: we just want to respect the borders of a neighbouring country, Serbia, by following international standards enshrined in the last 50-60 years of international law. Romania and Romanians always had good relations with both Serbs and Albanians (a proof is that we have both ethnic groups as national minorities, for centuries, and they are fully developed, respected and integrated in the society). Romania had no contribution in Kosovo tragedy (I use the word in the largest way possible, to encompass difficulties and sufferings of all Kosovo citizens, regardless ethnicity, religion, etc.) and we supported International Community intervention in 1999 with the hope the crisis will be solved (not that we could have done something to prevent it, or oppose it … let’s be serious, we would like to be so powerful in international politics).
As for the future of Kosovo, at best Romanians don’t want to be forced to take sides between Albanians and Serbs – we are for a legal and durable solution, we want a stable neighbouring country (Serbia) and peace in Western Balkans. We know better than West Europeans and Americans how difficult may be to keep peace in Balkans – we participated in both Balkan Wars to settle the fights and it was a mess!

soros says on Czech radio that missile defense on Czech soil is not as big an issue as Kosovo? way to downplay the importance of strategic missile defense tactics!

Troyan horse's comment at 13:09 is simply racist and just imagine placing another religion in place of Orthodox.

In my opinion Troyan horse is a relic of the past, preaching hate and revenge and trying as much as possible to secure peace and prosperity.

Soros has right to his opinion as do all the commentators on this site. That said, the divisions in the EU are being caused by the US, UK, GERMANY, because of their relentless push for this ILLEAGAL, INJUST, politically motivated push for the break up of a sovereign nation. It is their fault and Russia is standing up for REASON, LAW & JUSTICE! Kosovo will set a precedent & will cause chaos around the world and those 3 nations are to blame. How is giving radical Islam a stronger foothold in Europe going to help anyone? Zobel's comments apparently gave the jihadists a green light to continue and expand their attacks into Europe, but how will this benefit Germany? That's the billion Euro question.

Actually, a fairly large number of Romanians are of Slavic origin, remember Vlad Dracula?

George Soros has the right to freedom of speech. However, his opinions and views are legitimate targets for those of us who do not agree with them.I do not think the Kosovo issue is as important as he makes it out to be for the long term stability of Europe.I think that Russia is the most important factor in the equation.

I don't think the UN or EU has the right to break apart any part of Serbia or any country for that matter because a)Kosovo is part of the Serbian heritage and culture, and removing it is like completely disregarding their ethnic traditions. The Serbs have folk songs and famous battles which have occurred here. B) this will surely produce a dangerous, world-wide renewed sense of nationalism C) do your homework, it is clearly a breach of international LAW!

If Soros if after world peace and a better world, he should donate his billions to help rebuild Serbian Orthodox Churches in Kosovo, reperations to all Serbian families who suffered, help fund research to cure diseases around the world, and send humanitarian aid to millions who are starving in and outside the USA.

to George

it is a wonderfull historical fact and I truly like it , if you were offended I truly am sorry , the meaning probably was that some Romenian soldiers killed two albanians not long ago , and they were forced by NATO comanders to leave Kosova, so take it easy there , and we wish you a long and a prosper friendship with your neighbour Serbia, but let the albanians enjoy the god given right of freedom, just do not mix on things you do not know, we also know better then you how is to live under serbian rule, I just hope you'll never try it.The national and international laws are made not to justify the killings, they are made to protect the people whithout religion or race difference, however , the international laws that you are according , they do not deny creating a new states, right now Romenia just got"married"to EU , but if that"marriage"does not go well would yo kill yourself or "spousse" or just get a divorce?, So that forced "marriage" betwen Kosova and Serbia did not go well, for ages , Serbia is still wanting it , it is very simple we just want a "divorce", and let Serbia allone enjoying the friendship of their beloved neighbours

all the best

George: “…because Romania has reserves regarding the independence of Kosovo, then you should say it directly.”
Yes, exactly. And just as on the text: “…If Russia really does veto (a UN Kosovo resolution), this will be a serious problem for Europe, causing divide within the EU as some countries favor Kosovo’s independence while others do not.”
So, George, any EU member state who is going to deny recognition of Kosovo independence, will cause first crack on EU and that’s what Russia really wants (regarding to many analyses published on famous world daily newspapers).

Ahh, Mr Soros thinks that if he gets out publicly to declare his financial interests in Kosovo or anywhere else in the world it would make him look legit. I am making a bet against you Sir and I know you like to make risky bets. This time you did not predict correctly with your 'reflexivity theory' Sir which I by the way admire a lot. I cannot wait to see the books of all hedge funds in the US and elsewhere opened for inspection and scrutiny by the public as the financial elite has been trying to prevent it for ages now. For obvious reasons. No laws for the rich they can do whatever they like through their hedge funds that are still unregulated. 10% of the population owns 80% of the wealth. That's not democracy Sir you talked about in your books. That's financial dictatorship. Wouldn't you agree with me Sir?

Soros has no business in international politics.

Kate,

Why are you so upset with Soros? He is free to make any comments as we are. We express our comments in here and B92 kindly has created us that opportunity. What Soros is saying it is the truth. The truth sometimes can not be a good thing for some people but it is the truth and we should honour it. What about if Soros would have said something that you favour?

Thanks to Mr. Soros for telling the truth.
Mr. Soros has been helping the right cause for a long time all over the world, in Kosova also.
This is one more proof that our albanian leaders made friends all over the world while the Serb leaders liked to play the role of the ostrich to put their heads in the sands and only know the serbs leaders got their heads out of the sand and start accusing everyone around the world for the problems that the serb leaders created themselves.
Thanks again to mr. Soros for supporting the reality and the truth.

Soros is absolutelly right. But I think the United States, Britain, Germany and the Western World should already start to build up the “Plan B” for Kosovo, since is cristal clear that Russia will veto the independence of Kosovo at the UN Security Council, no matter waht will happen.

EA - I honestly would have said exactly the same. I don't believe that money should qualify you to have influence in international affairs. In the US this is extremely dangerous with the various lobbying groups.

Mr Soros is a business man who only looks after his own interests and should stay out of the internal politics of Serbia and for that matter European politics.
I presume he lives mostly in the US and therefore can spend his time lobbying those who desperately need his money. Those who may not necessarily have correct intentions or intense understanding of European history.
Mr. Soros even appeared on Australian TV very recently making suggestions to the viewers and downplaying our prime minister, Mr. Howard, and the interview showed him in a very ordinary light.
He should keep out of Australian, Russian and Serbian politics.
I sincerely hope B92 has the guts to print this.
cheers

Kate - Soros has no bearing on world affairs, it's just that he's famous and Hungarian. if David Beckham had said the same things, the comments would be reported.

As long as Soros & co. are criticizing Russia-that just means Russia is doing right things and is on a good track!Cash reservs reached 360 bn $,time to show some teeth finally!Keep going Vlad!

Ah Soros - I was wondering when he might come to the fore! It was inevitable since his good firend Ahtisaari has balls'd up well and truly!

EA, Afrim & MaGioZal,
Now lets analyse his words
- "If Russia really does veto" - since you believe his word as truth I guess we can assume this is now the ineviatble situation - Ahtisaari plan is well and truly dead!!!

Kate - Soros is a wealthy individual and with it he can buy power your right but he is still only one individual and eventually you can see his malice and either be corrupted by it or stand on principled ground against it! His words do much to shoot his own foot!

MaGioZal, you are right somebody ( needs to be working on plan B seeing as the folly of Independence is now shattered!!! I am certain that this will become clear in time that plan B is already accounted for and it does not involve ILLEGAL declarations!

However, consider that ILLEGAL declarations are ILLEGAL!!! Soros with his words is suggesting that this is the worst case scenario for the EU since it will have no jurisdiction via a new resolution in running the Serbian province since 1244 remains in effect. No new resolution no EUMIK - the issue of recognition is a red herring since it has always been a devisive issue within the EU and all it takes is one NO from any of the likely candidates Spain, Slovakia, Romania, Greece, Cyprus or even wavering Italy to block all others from recognising what will be an ILLEGAL entity. There is no budget for such a mission - the EU were squabbaling over rebates and better distribution between themselves in the last few years without needing to fork out a supposed 1.5 Billion Euro's and creating another furore just before they need to agree on what to do regarding a consitution or not!!! For want of a better set of words and since Rehn likes his analogies it looks like the Independence train service is well and truly cancelled - not postponed CANCELLED!!!

Now turning to the US - sui generis is no longer valid if they try to amputate Serbia and recognise an ILLEGAL declaration against International laws and resolutions that they themselves drafted and signed less then 8 years previously!! Fairly ironic that it is a mess that Bush did not create and will likely leave to the next President to sort instead!!! Bear in mind the likelyhood of no recognistion since ff they go against International law then hey Presto they can expect Georgia to have lost it's provinces to Russian recognition, Nagorno-Karabakh to declare independence and many other places around the Globe such as Western Sahara (invaded by Morroco in 1975) which will declare independence against the Morrocans insistance that it remains part of it's territory and perversly the US back the Morrocan's on this - note the contradiction in US foreign ploicy !!! It was mentioned some months back the US have created a self clossing trap for themselves and it certainly looks like the lid is closing in!!! I very much doubt the US are inclined to set off the precedence that they will in recognising an ILLEGAL entity!!! I think they have far too much on their plate at the moment as it is!!!

It is time that real talks and genuine "negotiations" were held - ILLEGAL declarations have no validity and as such, such an entity will economically nose dive since there will be no UN or EU funds and equally no formal validity. There will be no chance of ever gaining any status other then the same as Northern Cyprus - look where they are after 30 years or there will be a new "frozen conflict" in the Blakans rather then the Caucas!!! Serbia will not have to act militarily - no point in shooting yourself in the foot - learnt that lesson well in the 90's - but it can bide it's time since International law will be fairly and squarely in Serbia's court.

Surely then the reality will sink that the best way forward is to negotiate an agreement that is favourable for all concerned! Is it not time that everyone thought out of the "conflict" box and created that opportunity for all to better their lives and move forward in new found understanding and reconciliation!!!

WIN-WIN is still there for the taking but the window of opportunity is closing in!

PB - Yes, but David Beckham doesn't lobby to affect international policies.

EU did a huge mistake when approved joining of Orthodox Europe countries. They have been and always will be the Russian allies.

Kate - yes, maybe, but in reality he's a small fish in a very big pond. very little influence. he still thinks he heads the austro hungarian empire, hehehe

Russia will never veto Un resolution on kosovo. If it wanted to do that, it would have stayed put and waited for the voting day. It is making this big noise to prevent the resolution being put to vote. I know that the noisiest ones before a meeting usually are the quietest when the meeting starts. If Russia was determined to use veto, it would have just waited the moment to do so.

"Precisely this will demonstrate the length Russia will go to in order to create trouble in the world,” Soros was quoted as saying. "

It's so evident that soros is denying that the usa are the real problem in the world!

To "Troyan Horse" - quote:
"EU did a huge mistake when approved joining of Orthodox Europe countries. They have been and always will be the Russian allies".

I presume that your intervention on this forum is intended to contribute in some ways to the discussion. Sadly enough, this is not the case. Why? Because the Orthodox countries you are talking about are Bulgaria and Romania (the last one being my country). If you think that about Greece, then you should know Greece is already a member of EU for some decades.

Now, either you want just to offend people, either you have no idea about historical relations between Romania and Russia, which are very much like the ones between Russia and Poland, or Hungary. Meaning that Romania was never allied with Russia, unless forced to do so (e.g. during First World War, when Russia was in alliance with France and UK against Germany and Austro-Hungarian Empire, and during USSR domination of South-East Europe, 1945 to 1990, while the Warsaw Pact countries were acting like Moscow satellites…). Romanians are not of Slavic origin, but Latin, and yes, 85% of them are Christian Orthodox (the main difference between us and Russians, Bulgarians or Serbs is that Romanians are observing the Western-type calendar).

Therefore, if your are Albanian and probably upset because Romania has reserves regarding the independence of Kosovo, then you should say it directly. We Romanians we appreciate frankness especially between friends, since we consider all Balkan nations to be our friends. Where the Balkan nations’ patriots did take refuge from Turks, during centuries of Ottoman domination? Mostly North of Danube!

So, it makes no sense to use one’s religion or ethnicity as an insult and to generalize conclusions in an erroneous manner.
As for Romania’s position over Kosovo issue, the things are as following: we just want to respect the borders of a neighbouring country, Serbia, by following international standards enshrined in the last 50-60 years of international law. Romania and Romanians always had good relations with both Serbs and Albanians (a proof is that we have both ethnic groups as national minorities, for centuries, and they are fully developed, respected and integrated in the society). Romania had no contribution in Kosovo tragedy (I use the word in the largest way possible, to encompass difficulties and sufferings of all Kosovo citizens, regardless ethnicity, religion, etc.) and we supported International Community intervention in 1999 with the hope the crisis will be solved (not that we could have done something to prevent it, or oppose it … let’s be serious, we would like to be so powerful in international politics).
As for the future of Kosovo, at best Romanians don’t want to be forced to take sides between Albanians and Serbs – we are for a legal and durable solution, we want a stable neighbouring country (Serbia) and peace in Western Balkans. We know better than West Europeans and Americans how difficult may be to keep peace in Balkans – we participated in both Balkan Wars to settle the fights and it was a mess!

soros says on Czech radio that missile defense on Czech soil is not as big an issue as Kosovo? way to downplay the importance of strategic missile defense tactics!

Troyan horse's comment at 13:09 is simply racist and just imagine placing another religion in place of Orthodox.

In my opinion Troyan horse is a relic of the past, preaching hate and revenge and trying as much as possible to secure peace and prosperity.

Soros has right to his opinion as do all the commentators on this site. That said, the divisions in the EU are being caused by the US, UK, GERMANY, because of their relentless push for this ILLEAGAL, INJUST, politically motivated push for the break up of a sovereign nation. It is their fault and Russia is standing up for REASON, LAW & JUSTICE! Kosovo will set a precedent & will cause chaos around the world and those 3 nations are to blame. How is giving radical Islam a stronger foothold in Europe going to help anyone? Zobel's comments apparently gave the jihadists a green light to continue and expand their attacks into Europe, but how will this benefit Germany? That's the billion Euro question.

Actually, a fairly large number of Romanians are of Slavic origin, remember Vlad Dracula?

George Soros has the right to freedom of speech. However, his opinions and views are legitimate targets for those of us who do not agree with them.I do not think the Kosovo issue is as important as he makes it out to be for the long term stability of Europe.I think that Russia is the most important factor in the equation.

I don't think the UN or EU has the right to break apart any part of Serbia or any country for that matter because a)Kosovo is part of the Serbian heritage and culture, and removing it is like completely disregarding their ethnic traditions. The Serbs have folk songs and famous battles which have occurred here. B) this will surely produce a dangerous, world-wide renewed sense of nationalism C) do your homework, it is clearly a breach of international LAW!

If Soros if after world peace and a better world, he should donate his billions to help rebuild Serbian Orthodox Churches in Kosovo, reperations to all Serbian families who suffered, help fund research to cure diseases around the world, and send humanitarian aid to millions who are starving in and outside the USA.

to George

it is a wonderfull historical fact and I truly like it , if you were offended I truly am sorry , the meaning probably was that some Romenian soldiers killed two albanians not long ago , and they were forced by NATO comanders to leave Kosova, so take it easy there , and we wish you a long and a prosper friendship with your neighbour Serbia, but let the albanians enjoy the god given right of freedom, just do not mix on things you do not know, we also know better then you how is to live under serbian rule, I just hope you'll never try it.The national and international laws are made not to justify the killings, they are made to protect the people whithout religion or race difference, however , the international laws that you are according , they do not deny creating a new states, right now Romenia just got"married"to EU , but if that"marriage"does not go well would yo kill yourself or "spousse" or just get a divorce?, So that forced "marriage" betwen Kosova and Serbia did not go well, for ages , Serbia is still wanting it , it is very simple we just want a "divorce", and let Serbia allone enjoying the friendship of their beloved neighbours

all the best

George: “…because Romania has reserves regarding the independence of Kosovo, then you should say it directly.”
Yes, exactly. And just as on the text: “…If Russia really does veto (a UN Kosovo resolution), this will be a serious problem for Europe, causing divide within the EU as some countries favor Kosovo’s independence while others do not.”
So, George, any EU member state who is going to deny recognition of Kosovo independence, will cause first crack on EU and that’s what Russia really wants (regarding to many analyses published on famous world daily newspapers).

Ahh, Mr Soros thinks that if he gets out publicly to declare his financial interests in Kosovo or anywhere else in the world it would make him look legit. I am making a bet against you Sir and I know you like to make risky bets. This time you did not predict correctly with your 'reflexivity theory' Sir which I by the way admire a lot. I cannot wait to see the books of all hedge funds in the US and elsewhere opened for inspection and scrutiny by the public as the financial elite has been trying to prevent it for ages now. For obvious reasons. No laws for the rich they can do whatever they like through their hedge funds that are still unregulated. 10% of the population owns 80% of the wealth. That's not democracy Sir you talked about in your books. That's financial dictatorship. Wouldn't you agree with me Sir?