Reply to Pera,
(Or predrag how do you want me to formulate it)
Just to addres your query about the facts, yes the facts are in there (not in my comment) in the artice, if you read it at all.
Mrs. Sandra Raskovic gets a D on Inter-ethnical relations.
Now to PERA,
I don't know where you come from sir, or what type of education have you had during your childhood. But people who make fascist, apartheid comments like yourself, give birth to Millosevics, Hitlers and so on. Everyone who loves peaceful transition for all ethnic groups in Kosovo should reject comments like these.
Have a nice day and, may Christ forgive you for your horrendous thoughts.
Dear Mrs. Sandra Raskovic, I assume Kosovo Albanians recall the "Black Holes" you are alluding to, during Milloshevic era, when thousands homes were burning out of control and often with its inhabitants in it. Regardless what happened, it is the statements such as these that really are unnecessary or counterproductive at these crucial moments of negotiations. With statements such as these, you are not helping Serbian population in Kosovo. You are rather indulging even peaceful Albanians and Serbs into a backlash, which the majority wants to stay away. When you portray an entire population as "Hostile," or terrorists as I have seen in many of your previous statements in the past, your intentions to us neutrals on this conflict are as clear as a bell. My question to you dear Madam, is what do you intend to do with the Hostile population as you say in the context of autonomy your government is offering. What is there new that previous Serbian government haven't offered? Unfortunately, There hasn't been any explanation from your side, or your government rather than words aimed to change the directions of the negotiation's outcome. Some of us who are not as young, remember those promises from Mr. Milloshevic to the free world (On CNN) while at the same time his soldiers were burning cities, villages, and deporting thousands of innocent civilians to Macedonia and Albania. Do you expect Albanians to believe you with that sort of attitude. Your government has done nothing in the last seven years to heal the wounds between the conflicting nations, but complain and shift the blame to justify yours, and your governments bloody intentions to continue where Milloshevic left. I understand that there are some in the Albanian side, who would rather see every Serb out of Kosovo, than have a peaceful transition to Independence where all nationalities can leave in peace, and certainly those imbeciles should be prosecuted to the fullest of the law. But Serbian Side has never been able to convince the world that these are the intentions of the entire Albanian population in Kosovo. Whether you like it or not, Albanians and Serbs are there to stay in Balkans for many generations to come? And it is the time for forgiveness for both sides and live peacefully together, or as good neighbors. If your government had projected such an attitude towards Kosovo Albanians in the last seven years, we neutrals could care less if it were Autonomy or Independence!
It is interesting that rather than suggesting errors on the part of Serbian politicians, you instead label them as immature.
In my experience, this usually comes from individuals who themselves are not fully developed enough to present lucid arguments.
Considering this objectively, while there are several good arguments for both sides, it is not possible to argue your point with "You're sooo immature...you need to grow up!" (spoken with a Beverly Hills 90210 accent).
Please provide some examples of immaturity, so that all of your faithful followers may be able to put this into some sort of context.
After Afghanistan and Iraq the international community think they can achieve a quick win in Kosovo by taking what they believe to be the easy option. Independence for Kosovo reduces the perceived threat of a violent backlash against KFOR, possible financial savings and a realignment of resources to the ‘black holes’ of Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Perhaps Serbia should think about the future and ensure that it has a sensible immigration policy. Whilst Serbia can’t do a lot about Albanian population growth it does not have to provide citizenship to all those born on its territory, recent history suggests that some selection would be desirable. Take a look at the qualifications for citizenship in EU countries, had these been adopted in Serbia the status of many Kosovo Albanians would have been that of ‘Guest workers’ or ‘illegal immigrants’, many would not have stayed in the country and arguably their aspirations would have been very different. The Presovo valley has all the hallmarks of another Kosovo, any chance of intervening before things get out of hand?
Is Ruecker off his rocker! A bit late for any suggestion of integration or assimilation on the part of Kosovo Serbs with what are essentially ‘Kosovar’ institutions.
No one in Interantional Community is unable to understand serbia and its officials.On one side the entire Kosovar-Albanian population along with its poticians are potrayed as terorists and on the other hand they are very much interested on keeping Kosova. This shows that they do want the land but not the people that live there.Does this mean if they are able to retain Kosova they will expel all K-Albanians from Kosova? Another thing does not make sence at all is: Kosvars can govern themselve but they cannot have a seat in UN and NATO. Can an honest serbian politician explain this to me, because is very ppuzzling so far. I beleive Serbia is not even near reality and has no clue how to pursue its own future. God help us all.
Dear all,
I read carefully the article and I think that the Serbian Political leaders need another 100 years to get mature, generally speaking my the comments made by Mrs. Ivic, are absurd for a modern time politicians.
As a politician you should pay respect to your opponent and not under estimate their value, otherwise you get to be surprise by the end result. Calling Albanians, Organizers of crimes, that is what you think. (Again you are underestimating your opponent), I can say that the Albanians have played their game better than you do play yours for the late 25 years. (Finally we learned how to do it).
I have a great respect for the Serbian population and I think that you should start treating them as humans, and the famous word “NARODE STOKO MOJA” is not applicable in the modern politics.
I suggest to the Serbian politicians to see, what the best they can do is, to support the return and remain of the Serbian population in the independent Kosovo.
Serbs and Kosovars have to live as neighbors together, in the future. Why not live like good neighbors?!
Respect for all of you
Avni Gjoni
Ferizaj/Uroševac
Ruecker has not heard threats of violence then he must be deaf.How long did it take for the Mitrovica bridge to close down again after it closed due to the grenade attack?.What is this talk of Serbs needing to be integratged into Kosovo.It is so bizzare to hear the EU and US rhetoric about Serbs needing to be in compliance with the "empires" demands.And what is the rush for independance.We would not want to anger the poor oppressed Albanians or they will cause trouble if they don't get what they do not deserve.It makes my blood boil.I lost my home and now a chunk of my country to albanians and NATO.How dare they try and take away the last thing we Serbs still have (our pride).
To Mrs.Sanda Raskovic-Ilic:Leave Kosovo to Kosovan people,don't worry to much.About the"infectious agent",I think you should use that word for Serbia,just look at what is happening,nobody wants to live with you,even your half brothers(montenegrin)couldn't live with you.After Kosovo you will end up only with Vojvodina which are much better economicaly and richer then you,who deserve their right to run their life.You should learn to apologise and you should apologise to Kosovan Albanians and then you can speculate about their future.See you in Europe.
It's increasingly becoming clear to me that no one who claims to have any responsibility over Kosovo knows what's going on. While I tend to symphatize more with the Serb side of wide autonomy for Kosovo, I fail to see the fundamtenal differences between an autonomy that grants nearly everything but independence, and independence itself.
Sandra Raskovic says that if Kosovo goes independent it will be a "black hole". How does essential autonomy prevent this from happening, and how would independence result in this? So far I have not heard any proposals by Belgrade for what it would essentially do for Kosovo if it remains part of Serbia. Furthermore, if Serbia is so intent on keeping the region, calling it a "black hole" is not the best way to smooth already strained relations between Serbs and Albanians. If the difference between autonomy and independence is essentially the presence or absence of Kosovo in the UN or NATO, how will one lead to chaos and the other to stability? Until officials in Belgrade provide a more comprehensive strategy for what they see as essential autonomy beyond simple emotional rhetoric, the independence option, while problematic in itself, will nevertheless be realized by the Contact Group.
It's increasingly becoming clear to me that no one who claims to have any responsibility over Kosovo knows what's going on. While I tend to symphatize more with the Serb side of wide autonomy for Kosovo, I fail to see the fundamtenal differences between an autonomy that grants nearly everything but independence, and independence itself.
Sandra Raskovic says that if Kosovo goes independent it will be a "black hole". How does essential autonomy prevent this from happening, and how would independence result in this? So far I have not heard any proposals by Belgrade for what it would essentially do for Kosovo if it remains part of Serbia. Furthermore, if Serbia is so intent on keeping the region, calling it a "black hole" is not the best way to smooth already strained relations between Serbs and Albanians. If the difference between autonomy and independence is essentially the presence or absence of Kosovo in the UN or NATO, how will one lead to chaos and the other to stability? Until officials in Belgrade provide a more comprehensive strategy for what they see as essential autonomy beyond simple emotional rhetoric, the independence option, while problematic in itself, will nevertheless be realized by the Contact Group.
To Mrs.Sanda Raskovic-Ilic:Leave Kosovo to Kosovan people,don't worry to much.About the"infectious agent",I think you should use that word for Serbia,just look at what is happening,nobody wants to live with you,even your half brothers(montenegrin)couldn't live with you.After Kosovo you will end up only with Vojvodina which are much better economicaly and richer then you,who deserve their right to run their life.You should learn to apologise and you should apologise to Kosovan Albanians and then you can speculate about their future.See you in Europe.
Ruecker has not heard threats of violence then he must be deaf.How long did it take for the Mitrovica bridge to close down again after it closed due to the grenade attack?.What is this talk of Serbs needing to be integratged into Kosovo.It is so bizzare to hear the EU and US rhetoric about Serbs needing to be in compliance with the "empires" demands.And what is the rush for independance.We would not want to anger the poor oppressed Albanians or they will cause trouble if they don't get what they do not deserve.It makes my blood boil.I lost my home and now a chunk of my country to albanians and NATO.How dare they try and take away the last thing we Serbs still have (our pride).
Dear all,
I read carefully the article and I think that the Serbian Political leaders need another 100 years to get mature, generally speaking my the comments made by Mrs. Ivic, are absurd for a modern time politicians.
As a politician you should pay respect to your opponent and not under estimate their value, otherwise you get to be surprise by the end result. Calling Albanians, Organizers of crimes, that is what you think. (Again you are underestimating your opponent), I can say that the Albanians have played their game better than you do play yours for the late 25 years. (Finally we learned how to do it).
I have a great respect for the Serbian population and I think that you should start treating them as humans, and the famous word “NARODE STOKO MOJA” is not applicable in the modern politics.
I suggest to the Serbian politicians to see, what the best they can do is, to support the return and remain of the Serbian population in the independent Kosovo.
Serbs and Kosovars have to live as neighbors together, in the future. Why not live like good neighbors?!
Respect for all of you
Avni Gjoni
Ferizaj/Uroševac
No one in Interantional Community is unable to understand serbia and its officials.On one side the entire Kosovar-Albanian population along with its poticians are potrayed as terorists and on the other hand they are very much interested on keeping Kosova. This shows that they do want the land but not the people that live there.Does this mean if they are able to retain Kosova they will expel all K-Albanians from Kosova? Another thing does not make sence at all is: Kosvars can govern themselve but they cannot have a seat in UN and NATO. Can an honest serbian politician explain this to me, because is very ppuzzling so far. I beleive Serbia is not even near reality and has no clue how to pursue its own future. God help us all.
After Afghanistan and Iraq the international community think they can achieve a quick win in Kosovo by taking what they believe to be the easy option. Independence for Kosovo reduces the perceived threat of a violent backlash against KFOR, possible financial savings and a realignment of resources to the ‘black holes’ of Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Perhaps Serbia should think about the future and ensure that it has a sensible immigration policy. Whilst Serbia can’t do a lot about Albanian population growth it does not have to provide citizenship to all those born on its territory, recent history suggests that some selection would be desirable. Take a look at the qualifications for citizenship in EU countries, had these been adopted in Serbia the status of many Kosovo Albanians would have been that of ‘Guest workers’ or ‘illegal immigrants’, many would not have stayed in the country and arguably their aspirations would have been very different. The Presovo valley has all the hallmarks of another Kosovo, any chance of intervening before things get out of hand?
Is Ruecker off his rocker! A bit late for any suggestion of integration or assimilation on the part of Kosovo Serbs with what are essentially ‘Kosovar’ institutions.
It is interesting that rather than suggesting errors on the part of Serbian politicians, you instead label them as immature.
In my experience, this usually comes from individuals who themselves are not fully developed enough to present lucid arguments.
Considering this objectively, while there are several good arguments for both sides, it is not possible to argue your point with "You're sooo immature...you need to grow up!" (spoken with a Beverly Hills 90210 accent).
Please provide some examples of immaturity, so that all of your faithful followers may be able to put this into some sort of context.
Dear Mrs. Sandra Raskovic, I assume Kosovo Albanians recall the "Black Holes" you are alluding to, during Milloshevic era, when thousands homes were burning out of control and often with its inhabitants in it. Regardless what happened, it is the statements such as these that really are unnecessary or counterproductive at these crucial moments of negotiations. With statements such as these, you are not helping Serbian population in Kosovo. You are rather indulging even peaceful Albanians and Serbs into a backlash, which the majority wants to stay away. When you portray an entire population as "Hostile," or terrorists as I have seen in many of your previous statements in the past, your intentions to us neutrals on this conflict are as clear as a bell. My question to you dear Madam, is what do you intend to do with the Hostile population as you say in the context of autonomy your government is offering. What is there new that previous Serbian government haven't offered? Unfortunately, There hasn't been any explanation from your side, or your government rather than words aimed to change the directions of the negotiation's outcome. Some of us who are not as young, remember those promises from Mr. Milloshevic to the free world (On CNN) while at the same time his soldiers were burning cities, villages, and deporting thousands of innocent civilians to Macedonia and Albania. Do you expect Albanians to believe you with that sort of attitude. Your government has done nothing in the last seven years to heal the wounds between the conflicting nations, but complain and shift the blame to justify yours, and your governments bloody intentions to continue where Milloshevic left. I understand that there are some in the Albanian side, who would rather see every Serb out of Kosovo, than have a peaceful transition to Independence where all nationalities can leave in peace, and certainly those imbeciles should be prosecuted to the fullest of the law. But Serbian Side has never been able to convince the world that these are the intentions of the entire Albanian population in Kosovo. Whether you like it or not, Albanians and Serbs are there to stay in Balkans for many generations to come? And it is the time for forgiveness for both sides and live peacefully together, or as good neighbors. If your government had projected such an attitude towards Kosovo Albanians in the last seven years, we neutrals could care less if it were Autonomy or Independence!
Mrs. Sandra Raskovic gets a D on Inter-ethnical relations.
Now to PERA,
I don't know where you come from sir, or what type of education have you had during your childhood. But people who make fascist, apartheid comments like yourself, give birth to Millosevics, Hitlers and so on. Everyone who loves peaceful transition for all ethnic groups in Kosovo should reject comments like these.
Have a nice day and, may Christ forgive you for your horrendous thoughts.
Reply to Pera,
(Or predrag how do you want me to formulate it)
Just to addres your query about the facts, yes the facts are in there (not in my comment) in the artice, if you read it at all.
It's increasingly becoming clear to me that no one who claims to have any responsibility over Kosovo knows what's going on. While I tend to symphatize more with the Serb side of wide autonomy for Kosovo, I fail to see the fundamtenal differences between an autonomy that grants nearly everything but independence, and independence itself.
Sandra Raskovic says that if Kosovo goes independent it will be a "black hole". How does essential autonomy prevent this from happening, and how would independence result in this? So far I have not heard any proposals by Belgrade for what it would essentially do for Kosovo if it remains part of Serbia. Furthermore, if Serbia is so intent on keeping the region, calling it a "black hole" is not the best way to smooth already strained relations between Serbs and Albanians. If the difference between autonomy and independence is essentially the presence or absence of Kosovo in the UN or NATO, how will one lead to chaos and the other to stability? Until officials in Belgrade provide a more comprehensive strategy for what they see as essential autonomy beyond simple emotional rhetoric, the independence option, while problematic in itself, will nevertheless be realized by the Contact Group.
To Mrs.Sanda Raskovic-Ilic:Leave Kosovo to Kosovan people,don't worry to much.About the"infectious agent",I think you should use that word for Serbia,just look at what is happening,nobody wants to live with you,even your half brothers(montenegrin)couldn't live with you.After Kosovo you will end up only with Vojvodina which are much better economicaly and richer then you,who deserve their right to run their life.You should learn to apologise and you should apologise to Kosovan Albanians and then you can speculate about their future.See you in Europe.
Ruecker has not heard threats of violence then he must be deaf.How long did it take for the Mitrovica bridge to close down again after it closed due to the grenade attack?.What is this talk of Serbs needing to be integratged into Kosovo.It is so bizzare to hear the EU and US rhetoric about Serbs needing to be in compliance with the "empires" demands.And what is the rush for independance.We would not want to anger the poor oppressed Albanians or they will cause trouble if they don't get what they do not deserve.It makes my blood boil.I lost my home and now a chunk of my country to albanians and NATO.How dare they try and take away the last thing we Serbs still have (our pride).
Dear all,
I read carefully the article and I think that the Serbian Political leaders need another 100 years to get mature, generally speaking my the comments made by Mrs. Ivic, are absurd for a modern time politicians.
As a politician you should pay respect to your opponent and not under estimate their value, otherwise you get to be surprise by the end result. Calling Albanians, Organizers of crimes, that is what you think. (Again you are underestimating your opponent), I can say that the Albanians have played their game better than you do play yours for the late 25 years. (Finally we learned how to do it).
I have a great respect for the Serbian population and I think that you should start treating them as humans, and the famous word “NARODE STOKO MOJA” is not applicable in the modern politics.
I suggest to the Serbian politicians to see, what the best they can do is, to support the return and remain of the Serbian population in the independent Kosovo.
Serbs and Kosovars have to live as neighbors together, in the future. Why not live like good neighbors?!
Respect for all of you
Avni Gjoni
Ferizaj/Uroševac
No one in Interantional Community is unable to understand serbia and its officials.On one side the entire Kosovar-Albanian population along with its poticians are potrayed as terorists and on the other hand they are very much interested on keeping Kosova. This shows that they do want the land but not the people that live there.Does this mean if they are able to retain Kosova they will expel all K-Albanians from Kosova? Another thing does not make sence at all is: Kosvars can govern themselve but they cannot have a seat in UN and NATO. Can an honest serbian politician explain this to me, because is very ppuzzling so far. I beleive Serbia is not even near reality and has no clue how to pursue its own future. God help us all.
After Afghanistan and Iraq the international community think they can achieve a quick win in Kosovo by taking what they believe to be the easy option. Independence for Kosovo reduces the perceived threat of a violent backlash against KFOR, possible financial savings and a realignment of resources to the ‘black holes’ of Afghanistan, Iraq etc.
Perhaps Serbia should think about the future and ensure that it has a sensible immigration policy. Whilst Serbia can’t do a lot about Albanian population growth it does not have to provide citizenship to all those born on its territory, recent history suggests that some selection would be desirable. Take a look at the qualifications for citizenship in EU countries, had these been adopted in Serbia the status of many Kosovo Albanians would have been that of ‘Guest workers’ or ‘illegal immigrants’, many would not have stayed in the country and arguably their aspirations would have been very different. The Presovo valley has all the hallmarks of another Kosovo, any chance of intervening before things get out of hand?
Is Ruecker off his rocker! A bit late for any suggestion of integration or assimilation on the part of Kosovo Serbs with what are essentially ‘Kosovar’ institutions.
It is interesting that rather than suggesting errors on the part of Serbian politicians, you instead label them as immature.
In my experience, this usually comes from individuals who themselves are not fully developed enough to present lucid arguments.
Considering this objectively, while there are several good arguments for both sides, it is not possible to argue your point with "You're sooo immature...you need to grow up!" (spoken with a Beverly Hills 90210 accent).
Please provide some examples of immaturity, so that all of your faithful followers may be able to put this into some sort of context.
Dear Mrs. Sandra Raskovic, I assume Kosovo Albanians recall the "Black Holes" you are alluding to, during Milloshevic era, when thousands homes were burning out of control and often with its inhabitants in it. Regardless what happened, it is the statements such as these that really are unnecessary or counterproductive at these crucial moments of negotiations. With statements such as these, you are not helping Serbian population in Kosovo. You are rather indulging even peaceful Albanians and Serbs into a backlash, which the majority wants to stay away. When you portray an entire population as "Hostile," or terrorists as I have seen in many of your previous statements in the past, your intentions to us neutrals on this conflict are as clear as a bell. My question to you dear Madam, is what do you intend to do with the Hostile population as you say in the context of autonomy your government is offering. What is there new that previous Serbian government haven't offered? Unfortunately, There hasn't been any explanation from your side, or your government rather than words aimed to change the directions of the negotiation's outcome. Some of us who are not as young, remember those promises from Mr. Milloshevic to the free world (On CNN) while at the same time his soldiers were burning cities, villages, and deporting thousands of innocent civilians to Macedonia and Albania. Do you expect Albanians to believe you with that sort of attitude. Your government has done nothing in the last seven years to heal the wounds between the conflicting nations, but complain and shift the blame to justify yours, and your governments bloody intentions to continue where Milloshevic left. I understand that there are some in the Albanian side, who would rather see every Serb out of Kosovo, than have a peaceful transition to Independence where all nationalities can leave in peace, and certainly those imbeciles should be prosecuted to the fullest of the law. But Serbian Side has never been able to convince the world that these are the intentions of the entire Albanian population in Kosovo. Whether you like it or not, Albanians and Serbs are there to stay in Balkans for many generations to come? And it is the time for forgiveness for both sides and live peacefully together, or as good neighbors. If your government had projected such an attitude towards Kosovo Albanians in the last seven years, we neutrals could care less if it were Autonomy or Independence!
Mrs. Sandra Raskovic gets a D on Inter-ethnical relations.
Now to PERA,
I don't know where you come from sir, or what type of education have you had during your childhood. But people who make fascist, apartheid comments like yourself, give birth to Millosevics, Hitlers and so on. Everyone who loves peaceful transition for all ethnic groups in Kosovo should reject comments like these.
Have a nice day and, may Christ forgive you for your horrendous thoughts.
Reply to Pera,
(Or predrag how do you want me to formulate it)
Just to addres your query about the facts, yes the facts are in there (not in my comment) in the artice, if you read it at all.
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