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Tuesday, 12.09.2023.

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The West is trembling, the "time of trouble" is approaching: Russia is falling apart?

Buryatia, Idel-Ural, Komi, Saka, Tuva - the names sound exotic, but we are talking about regions in Russia that could become states, writes Edward Lucas.

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Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

So calling all Ukrainians a bunch of Bandera-loving nazis is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? People are different.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 September 2023 09:44)

Peter, apparently your neurons are affected by your overdose of CNN/BBC, that you can’t read properly. Nowhere did I write with the above words.
I did however write that the NATO puppet army were Bandera-loving Na*is. Please read my comment and stop with your brainwashed delusions.
The fact is Zaluzhny and Budanov, the two highest ranking officers of the NATO Na*i forces both display a Bandera portrait in their offices (yes the way Na*i displayed the Fuhrer’s picture, and commies displayed Tito’s picture).
I preceded your post by highlighting that Ukraine as diverse country with large swaths in the south and east with large indigenous Russians populations who bravely resist the Bandera-loving Na*i’s installed by Nuland in 2014.

As for my sources: I read all sides. If you discount anything Russian, then try some highly regarded American academics: professors Jeffery Sachs or John Mearsheimer. If you are more inclined for mass media noise, then Tucker Carlson or Russel Brand, Seymour Hersch. If you are open to a politician, Victor Orban, or RFK.
The shrill of propaganda from the MSM in the USA and UK is by far the stupidest…. if you believe the NYT and WaPo that the USA didn’t blow up Nordstream, or Putin was terminally sick in March 2022, or Russia ran out of ammo in April 2022….then LOL.

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)
===…==
Speaking of reality.
[link]
(Peggy, 14 September 2023 00:50)

The problem with likes of Betsy, is their blindness. Although the USA is actively arming and supporting Ukrainian-Na*is in today’s war, just as Betsy’s USA armed, supported and revived Ante Pavelic’s Ustashe in Croatia. Betsy is a blind USA cheerleader. The link you provide not only reveals the mental capacity of Joe Biden, but also accurately reflects the intellect of the blind population who elected him…Betsy included. She should be ashamed of herself and the rotten country lives in.

Peter Sudyka

pre 1 godinu

Tom Sawyer (and Peggy)

What is the alternative? The Russian Pravdas? Rossiyskaya Gazeta? Vechernyaya Moskva? Thank you, but no thank you. We Poles have had more than enough Russian/Soviet propaganda in our lifetimes. This is one thing that the Serbs fortunately didn't have much experience of. They could enjoy Russia's brotherhood at a safe distance, where they could be nice and warm, and not burned to a crisp, like the Poles, Balts, Ukrainians etc.

And with regards to Bandera, Ukrainians are actually more positive about Peter the Great or Leonid Brezhnev than they are about Bandera:

"47% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards the former Secretary General of the USSR Leonid Brezhnev and only 36% have the same attitude towards the ex-leader of the OUN, Stepan Bandera.

This is evidenced by the results of a survey conducted by the sociological group "Rating".

"47% and 43% have a positive attitude towards Leonid Brezhnev and Peter I (negative 39% and 26%, respectively). 36% have a positive attitude towards Stepan Bandera (negative – 34%), both positively and negatively towards Simon Petlyura 30% of respondents," sociologists report."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2018/11/20/7198776/

So calling all Ukrainians a bunch of Bandera-loving nazis is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? People are different.

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 1 godinu

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 September 2023 12:28)

Piotr,

Only one thing is for sure: both sides of the conflict merely respond.
Ukrainians respond, we are responding. Good or bad is a different story. And as I said: the ones who are directly involved and their relatives / friends are ready to admit: we don't understand anything, we are just victims.

Victims of what? If you look at the past 30 - 40 years everything is clear: all US administrations except the idiot Trump were under direct control of neo-cons. Be it Clinton, be it Dubya, be it Biden.
Best example: Victoria Nuland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

She claims to be some sort of "democrat", but real democracy is a swearword for her. And her h/b is openly a neo-con.

Neo-cons do their best to destroy Ukraine, Russia (and our lives). This is what I understand. Does Serbia, Ukraine, Albania or Russia react properly? It's up everyone to interpret as they like.

But unfortunately - as good or bad as it is - it's only a reaction.
As long as the EVIL ( = American neo-cons) is out there, one way or the other our life is screwed.

Peggy

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)
================
Speaking of reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdEM4zHE3Y

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 1 godinu

See, Iskander - I have to admit, I know nothing.
Even worse. I am seeing both sides of the conflict on the daily basis and we all know nothing.

So let ones talk who know everything.

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)

Theses “credible views” are fiction spread by CNN and BBC. I’d suggest that you expand readings beyond NATO propaganda outlets. If you do, you may discover facts the vast majority of world recognizes. Russian inhabited parts of the Donbas don’t want to be a part of a UkroNa*i state. That a Bandera-loving, NATO puppet army have been killing anti-fascists for the last nine-years in Donbas is an undeniable fact. Enough is enough and Russia has finally responded: the consequence is that the compost currently being generated is composed of the stench of Ukro-Na*i corpses who are being sent to meet their Bandera leader in a place they all belong.

Peggy

pre 1 godinu

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 September 2023 12:28)
==================
Please stay away from MSM. They are nothing but junk.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 1 godinu

" This is not WW2, where the various peoples of the Soviet Union united to fight against the Nazi invasion of their country " ???

This is actually worse than WW2 for Russia because they are dealing with SATAN usa and the whole nazi roman catholic empire and also all the little impoverished suck ass puppet countries like Romania and Bulgaria. So the good news for Russia is that it is a top nuclear country and that is very bad news for SATAN usa and the nazi roman catholic empire !!!

Diana

pre 1 godinu

Putin has already lost the war. He is in the same situation as Kaddafi and Saddam were before they were brutally violated then killed.

Iskander

pre 1 godinu

Gde Ataman? Ataman can you please sing to Danas' fools the Russian anthem? Becuz if you don't I will just imitate Medvedev the tenis player and scream "vamos vamos vamos vamos vamos vamos".... Shaiguuuuuu!!!

Peter Sudyka

pre 1 godinu

I have no doubt there are masses of people from the Turkic, Finno-Ugric and Caucasus regions of Russia that are tired of being used as cannon-fodder and compost in Ukraine. They are fighting a war thousands of kilometers away for literally nothing. Only because some madman (Putin) behaving like an abusive husband (Russia) cannot stand watching his spouse (Ukraine and Georgia) running off with another man (NATO and EU).

This is not WW2, where the various peoples of the Soviet Union united to fight against the Nazi invasion of their country. No. This time it's Russia that's the aggressor attacking Ukraine and there really is no reason for anyone living in the Sakha Republic, Mari El, Tatarstan or Dagestan should be going off to die or come home crippled and psychologically shattered after fighting in the trenches of east Ukraine for nothing.

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.

Peter Sudyka

pre 1 godinu

I have no doubt there are masses of people from the Turkic, Finno-Ugric and Caucasus regions of Russia that are tired of being used as cannon-fodder and compost in Ukraine. They are fighting a war thousands of kilometers away for literally nothing. Only because some madman (Putin) behaving like an abusive husband (Russia) cannot stand watching his spouse (Ukraine and Georgia) running off with another man (NATO and EU).

This is not WW2, where the various peoples of the Soviet Union united to fight against the Nazi invasion of their country. No. This time it's Russia that's the aggressor attacking Ukraine and there really is no reason for anyone living in the Sakha Republic, Mari El, Tatarstan or Dagestan should be going off to die or come home crippled and psychologically shattered after fighting in the trenches of east Ukraine for nothing.

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.

Peggy

pre 1 godinu

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 September 2023 12:28)
==================
Please stay away from MSM. They are nothing but junk.

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)

Theses “credible views” are fiction spread by CNN and BBC. I’d suggest that you expand readings beyond NATO propaganda outlets. If you do, you may discover facts the vast majority of world recognizes. Russian inhabited parts of the Donbas don’t want to be a part of a UkroNa*i state. That a Bandera-loving, NATO puppet army have been killing anti-fascists for the last nine-years in Donbas is an undeniable fact. Enough is enough and Russia has finally responded: the consequence is that the compost currently being generated is composed of the stench of Ukro-Na*i corpses who are being sent to meet their Bandera leader in a place they all belong.

Diana

pre 1 godinu

Putin has already lost the war. He is in the same situation as Kaddafi and Saddam were before they were brutally violated then killed.

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 1 godinu

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 September 2023 12:28)

Piotr,

Only one thing is for sure: both sides of the conflict merely respond.
Ukrainians respond, we are responding. Good or bad is a different story. And as I said: the ones who are directly involved and their relatives / friends are ready to admit: we don't understand anything, we are just victims.

Victims of what? If you look at the past 30 - 40 years everything is clear: all US administrations except the idiot Trump were under direct control of neo-cons. Be it Clinton, be it Dubya, be it Biden.
Best example: Victoria Nuland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

She claims to be some sort of "democrat", but real democracy is a swearword for her. And her h/b is openly a neo-con.

Neo-cons do their best to destroy Ukraine, Russia (and our lives). This is what I understand. Does Serbia, Ukraine, Albania or Russia react properly? It's up everyone to interpret as they like.

But unfortunately - as good or bad as it is - it's only a reaction.
As long as the EVIL ( = American neo-cons) is out there, one way or the other our life is screwed.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 1 godinu

" This is not WW2, where the various peoples of the Soviet Union united to fight against the Nazi invasion of their country " ???

This is actually worse than WW2 for Russia because they are dealing with SATAN usa and the whole nazi roman catholic empire and also all the little impoverished suck ass puppet countries like Romania and Bulgaria. So the good news for Russia is that it is a top nuclear country and that is very bad news for SATAN usa and the nazi roman catholic empire !!!

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

So calling all Ukrainians a bunch of Bandera-loving nazis is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? People are different.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 September 2023 09:44)

Peter, apparently your neurons are affected by your overdose of CNN/BBC, that you can’t read properly. Nowhere did I write with the above words.
I did however write that the NATO puppet army were Bandera-loving Na*is. Please read my comment and stop with your brainwashed delusions.
The fact is Zaluzhny and Budanov, the two highest ranking officers of the NATO Na*i forces both display a Bandera portrait in their offices (yes the way Na*i displayed the Fuhrer’s picture, and commies displayed Tito’s picture).
I preceded your post by highlighting that Ukraine as diverse country with large swaths in the south and east with large indigenous Russians populations who bravely resist the Bandera-loving Na*i’s installed by Nuland in 2014.

As for my sources: I read all sides. If you discount anything Russian, then try some highly regarded American academics: professors Jeffery Sachs or John Mearsheimer. If you are more inclined for mass media noise, then Tucker Carlson or Russel Brand, Seymour Hersch. If you are open to a politician, Victor Orban, or RFK.
The shrill of propaganda from the MSM in the USA and UK is by far the stupidest…. if you believe the NYT and WaPo that the USA didn’t blow up Nordstream, or Putin was terminally sick in March 2022, or Russia ran out of ammo in April 2022….then LOL.

Iskander

pre 1 godinu

Gde Ataman? Ataman can you please sing to Danas' fools the Russian anthem? Becuz if you don't I will just imitate Medvedev the tenis player and scream "vamos vamos vamos vamos vamos vamos".... Shaiguuuuuu!!!

Peggy

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)
================
Speaking of reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdEM4zHE3Y

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)
===…==
Speaking of reality.
[link]
(Peggy, 14 September 2023 00:50)

The problem with likes of Betsy, is their blindness. Although the USA is actively arming and supporting Ukrainian-Na*is in today’s war, just as Betsy’s USA armed, supported and revived Ante Pavelic’s Ustashe in Croatia. Betsy is a blind USA cheerleader. The link you provide not only reveals the mental capacity of Joe Biden, but also accurately reflects the intellect of the blind population who elected him…Betsy included. She should be ashamed of herself and the rotten country lives in.

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 1 godinu

See, Iskander - I have to admit, I know nothing.
Even worse. I am seeing both sides of the conflict on the daily basis and we all know nothing.

So let ones talk who know everything.

Peter Sudyka

pre 1 godinu

Tom Sawyer (and Peggy)

What is the alternative? The Russian Pravdas? Rossiyskaya Gazeta? Vechernyaya Moskva? Thank you, but no thank you. We Poles have had more than enough Russian/Soviet propaganda in our lifetimes. This is one thing that the Serbs fortunately didn't have much experience of. They could enjoy Russia's brotherhood at a safe distance, where they could be nice and warm, and not burned to a crisp, like the Poles, Balts, Ukrainians etc.

And with regards to Bandera, Ukrainians are actually more positive about Peter the Great or Leonid Brezhnev than they are about Bandera:

"47% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards the former Secretary General of the USSR Leonid Brezhnev and only 36% have the same attitude towards the ex-leader of the OUN, Stepan Bandera.

This is evidenced by the results of a survey conducted by the sociological group "Rating".

"47% and 43% have a positive attitude towards Leonid Brezhnev and Peter I (negative 39% and 26%, respectively). 36% have a positive attitude towards Stepan Bandera (negative – 34%), both positively and negatively towards Simon Petlyura 30% of respondents," sociologists report."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2018/11/20/7198776/

So calling all Ukrainians a bunch of Bandera-loving nazis is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? People are different.

Peter Sudyka

pre 1 godinu

I have no doubt there are masses of people from the Turkic, Finno-Ugric and Caucasus regions of Russia that are tired of being used as cannon-fodder and compost in Ukraine. They are fighting a war thousands of kilometers away for literally nothing. Only because some madman (Putin) behaving like an abusive husband (Russia) cannot stand watching his spouse (Ukraine and Georgia) running off with another man (NATO and EU).

This is not WW2, where the various peoples of the Soviet Union united to fight against the Nazi invasion of their country. No. This time it's Russia that's the aggressor attacking Ukraine and there really is no reason for anyone living in the Sakha Republic, Mari El, Tatarstan or Dagestan should be going off to die or come home crippled and psychologically shattered after fighting in the trenches of east Ukraine for nothing.

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.

Diana

pre 1 godinu

Putin has already lost the war. He is in the same situation as Kaddafi and Saddam were before they were brutally violated then killed.

Peggy

pre 1 godinu

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 September 2023 12:28)
==================
Please stay away from MSM. They are nothing but junk.

Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 1 godinu

" This is not WW2, where the various peoples of the Soviet Union united to fight against the Nazi invasion of their country " ???

This is actually worse than WW2 for Russia because they are dealing with SATAN usa and the whole nazi roman catholic empire and also all the little impoverished suck ass puppet countries like Romania and Bulgaria. So the good news for Russia is that it is a top nuclear country and that is very bad news for SATAN usa and the nazi roman catholic empire !!!

Iskander

pre 1 godinu

Gde Ataman? Ataman can you please sing to Danas' fools the Russian anthem? Becuz if you don't I will just imitate Medvedev the tenis player and scream "vamos vamos vamos vamos vamos vamos".... Shaiguuuuuu!!!

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)

Theses “credible views” are fiction spread by CNN and BBC. I’d suggest that you expand readings beyond NATO propaganda outlets. If you do, you may discover facts the vast majority of world recognizes. Russian inhabited parts of the Donbas don’t want to be a part of a UkroNa*i state. That a Bandera-loving, NATO puppet army have been killing anti-fascists for the last nine-years in Donbas is an undeniable fact. Enough is enough and Russia has finally responded: the consequence is that the compost currently being generated is composed of the stench of Ukro-Na*i corpses who are being sent to meet their Bandera leader in a place they all belong.

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 1 godinu

See, Iskander - I have to admit, I know nothing.
Even worse. I am seeing both sides of the conflict on the daily basis and we all know nothing.

So let ones talk who know everything.

Peggy

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)
================
Speaking of reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LdEM4zHE3Y

Ataman Honcho Honchev

pre 1 godinu

Nobody can predict whether or not Russia will fall apart, but one thing is for sure: Putin is going to lose A LOT of support in these regions.
(Peter Sudyka, 12 September 2023 12:28)

Piotr,

Only one thing is for sure: both sides of the conflict merely respond.
Ukrainians respond, we are responding. Good or bad is a different story. And as I said: the ones who are directly involved and their relatives / friends are ready to admit: we don't understand anything, we are just victims.

Victims of what? If you look at the past 30 - 40 years everything is clear: all US administrations except the idiot Trump were under direct control of neo-cons. Be it Clinton, be it Dubya, be it Biden.
Best example: Victoria Nuland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

She claims to be some sort of "democrat", but real democracy is a swearword for her. And her h/b is openly a neo-con.

Neo-cons do their best to destroy Ukraine, Russia (and our lives). This is what I understand. Does Serbia, Ukraine, Albania or Russia react properly? It's up everyone to interpret as they like.

But unfortunately - as good or bad as it is - it's only a reaction.
As long as the EVIL ( = American neo-cons) is out there, one way or the other our life is screwed.

Peter Sudyka

pre 1 godinu

Tom Sawyer (and Peggy)

What is the alternative? The Russian Pravdas? Rossiyskaya Gazeta? Vechernyaya Moskva? Thank you, but no thank you. We Poles have had more than enough Russian/Soviet propaganda in our lifetimes. This is one thing that the Serbs fortunately didn't have much experience of. They could enjoy Russia's brotherhood at a safe distance, where they could be nice and warm, and not burned to a crisp, like the Poles, Balts, Ukrainians etc.

And with regards to Bandera, Ukrainians are actually more positive about Peter the Great or Leonid Brezhnev than they are about Bandera:

"47% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards the former Secretary General of the USSR Leonid Brezhnev and only 36% have the same attitude towards the ex-leader of the OUN, Stepan Bandera.

This is evidenced by the results of a survey conducted by the sociological group "Rating".

"47% and 43% have a positive attitude towards Leonid Brezhnev and Peter I (negative 39% and 26%, respectively). 36% have a positive attitude towards Stepan Bandera (negative – 34%), both positively and negatively towards Simon Petlyura 30% of respondents," sociologists report."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2018/11/20/7198776/

So calling all Ukrainians a bunch of Bandera-loving nazis is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? People are different.

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

You present some very credible views of reality.
(Betsy Lalich, 13 September 2023 05:03)
===…==
Speaking of reality.
[link]
(Peggy, 14 September 2023 00:50)

The problem with likes of Betsy, is their blindness. Although the USA is actively arming and supporting Ukrainian-Na*is in today’s war, just as Betsy’s USA armed, supported and revived Ante Pavelic’s Ustashe in Croatia. Betsy is a blind USA cheerleader. The link you provide not only reveals the mental capacity of Joe Biden, but also accurately reflects the intellect of the blind population who elected him…Betsy included. She should be ashamed of herself and the rotten country lives in.

Tom Sawyer

pre 1 godinu

So calling all Ukrainians a bunch of Bandera-loving nazis is a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? People are different.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 September 2023 09:44)

Peter, apparently your neurons are affected by your overdose of CNN/BBC, that you can’t read properly. Nowhere did I write with the above words.
I did however write that the NATO puppet army were Bandera-loving Na*is. Please read my comment and stop with your brainwashed delusions.
The fact is Zaluzhny and Budanov, the two highest ranking officers of the NATO Na*i forces both display a Bandera portrait in their offices (yes the way Na*i displayed the Fuhrer’s picture, and commies displayed Tito’s picture).
I preceded your post by highlighting that Ukraine as diverse country with large swaths in the south and east with large indigenous Russians populations who bravely resist the Bandera-loving Na*i’s installed by Nuland in 2014.

As for my sources: I read all sides. If you discount anything Russian, then try some highly regarded American academics: professors Jeffery Sachs or John Mearsheimer. If you are more inclined for mass media noise, then Tucker Carlson or Russel Brand, Seymour Hersch. If you are open to a politician, Victor Orban, or RFK.
The shrill of propaganda from the MSM in the USA and UK is by far the stupidest…. if you believe the NYT and WaPo that the USA didn’t blow up Nordstream, or Putin was terminally sick in March 2022, or Russia ran out of ammo in April 2022….then LOL.