"Milosevic wrote letter to Lavrov one day before his death"
One of Serbia's best-known and most respected lawyers, Zdenko Tomanovic, has spoken for the new issue of <a href="http://www.nedeljnik.rs/nedeljnik/" class="text-link" target= "_blank">the magazine Nedeljnik</a>, out this Thursday.
Ratko Mladic was born in Bozanovici, Kalinovik, Herzegovina, Bosnia in 1943.
Now if the US can help the Croats and to a lesser extent the Bosniaks why couldn’t Milosevic help the Serbs in Bosnia? What the US is allowed because they are the beacons of freedom and democracy?
However, technically Serbia never went to war with Croatia or Bosnia. The world does not give a f*** about the Balkans mate. If you are trying to peddle Croatia was a victim don’t because it was not. Serbia recently played a tape of Tudjman speaking with his Ustashi cronies how he was going to get rid of Serbs in Croatia and this was long before the war.
"Technically, Serbia never went into Bosnia or Croatia; it was the locals that took up arms for fear of Ustashi and the Muslims."
Locals took up arms in the 1990s not the 1940s when the Ustashi actually existed. You are quick to note that it is 2018 not 1995 or 1999 but you have a bigger time problem, missing the difference between the 1940s and 1990s.
"However, if Serbia had gone into these two states it would have been legal since at that time they were still part of Yugoslavia and no laws were broken unlike the US of Piss and Wind giving the Croats the green light to send troops into an internationally recognized country of Bosnia."
So let me get this correct...Bosnia was an internationally recognized country but Croatia was not?
"...but Croats being Croats..."
People are the same all around the world. When are you ever going to learn?
...you speak of “true communist” as if that is a good thing (which it isn’t) or even possible (which it isn’t) or true (which it isn’t).
Any one who is a ‘true communist’ (whatever that is) is typically killed by power hungry dictators (Stalin, Mao) and I would list Milosevic more alongside those two than alongside anyone with proper socialist intentions.
He was also a greedy person - stealing Serbs’ money and putting it in offshore banks in Cyprus for example. That’s a fairly typical illustration of what ‘true communism’ always turns out to be.
Technically, Serbia never went into Bosnia or Croatia; it was the locals that took up arms for fear of Ustashi and the Muslims. However, if Serbia had gone into these two states it would have been legal since at that time they were still part of Yugoslavia and no laws were broken unlike the US of Piss and Wind giving the Croats the green light to send troops into an internationally recognized country of Bosnia.
Tudjman was given the green light to send in 15 brigades to fight the Serbs and it is now known as the Washington Agreement.
The funny thing was the Croats stabbed the Bosniaks in the back thinking they would somehow cripple the Bosniaks, but Croats being Croats, who are only worthy adversaries with old men and women were beaten LOL. Now the Bosnaiks are ethnically cleansing Croats from the Federation part.
"For example, it is only a recently disclosed that the US gave Franjo Tudgman the green light to send troops into Bosnia to fight the Serbs. Its know as the Washington Agreement. "
(sj, 9 August 2018 13:16)
And who gave Serbia the green light to go into Bosnia and Croatia?
This is how you can tell how big of losers serbs are. They think that everything is about how everyone is out to get them. Why would The Hague care to kill that pig looking milosbich. The Hague and the world would of rather had him rot in jail for years instead of killing him. But that’s ok cuz that pig looking child and grama killer is burning in hell forever now 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Milosevic wasn't a nationalist, he was surrounded by them but he wasn't one himself.
(Zoran)
in that case he was either very, very stupid and had no backbone at all or he wanted to use them to gain power and supported their wishes which makes him by his actions in my eyes a nationalist or at least a nationalist supporter again.
What I know is, that people that were against nationalism had a harsh time under his government in serbia. People who opposed him publicly in some cases even had to leave the country.
Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist
(jugoslavija)
wtf? :D you made my day with your special sence of humour.
A little tip, informer is not really a reliable source.
(Tito reloaded, 9 August 2018 23:10)
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Milosevic wasn't a nationalist, he was surrounded by them but he wasn't one himself.
Yes, I do. He would have been taken very seriously because he was the one who did a lot of negotiations with the west and he knew the time, place and people involved. As I said the US of Piss and Wind gave Tudjman the green light to send in troops into Bosnia; it was 15 brigades.
It would not be that hard to find out if Milosevic was making it up. The US would not like that happening; remember mud always sticks and they could not wash it off. It goes to the very credibility of the US.
There is a difference between stirring things up against your opponent and disclosing facts that could be easily verified.
I always find it funny how you Albos protect the US even though they have left DU in Kosovo and have not lifted a finger to help it economically. You guys are even happy to sweep under the carpet the illness caused by DU – amazing, but who am I to say anything if you people will not.
Guilty or not, the Kosovo saga is over for the Albanians.
Here is what an analys, who have supported Kosovo as a state wrote in the news;
”"This is a change from previous policy, which unequivocally supported Kosovo's sovereignty and territorial integrity, as defined in its constitution and (not incidentally) drawn in its flag," Serwer wrote on his website.”
Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist
(jugoslavija)
wtf? :D you made my day with your special sence of humour.
A little tip, informer is not really a reliable source.
"Do you really think that if Milosevic made new accusations against the West that anyone would have taken him seriously? ...I am sure it would have gone down well with nationalists in Serbia, but I doubt anyone else would be impressed."
Or enlightened!
"Your narrative is merely based on your predjudices."
I agree wholeheartedly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
There was a big mistake before the 90s. When Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic and there friends started with nationalism, they should have been all arrested or expelled from the country.
When I think how much people had to suffer because of them, I feel sick.
(Tito reloaded, 9 August 2018 15:15)
I feel like throwing up every time reading your comments. Get it through your thick head, Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist/Socialist like you, his only concern was to keep as much of Yugoslavia together and rule like his protege Tito and Stambolic. Do us all a favour and read some history and politics instead of your unfounded comments.
There was a big mistake before the 90s. When Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic and there friends started with nationalism, they should have been all arrested or expelled from the country.
When I think how much people had to suffer because of them, I feel sick.
In the letter, he complained that he was being poisoned in the Hague Tribunal and asked Russia to protect him and save him. A day later, Milosevic was found dead,"
--
It was a murder house against Serbs.
(Zoran, 9 August 2018 12:09)
No, dear, the Serb people were not prosecuted about anything. Just because a few individuals of Serb ethnicity were prosecuted for genocide, that does not mean that the Serb people were guilty of crimes.
Do you really think that if Milosevic made new accusations against the West that anyone would have taken him seriously?
Finding things to stir up feeling against the West was his habit. It would have been viewed as yet more of his spurious attempts to propagandise. I am sure it would have gone down well with nationalists in Serbia, but I doubt anyone else would be impressed.
Your narrative is merely based on your predjudices.
Why did they kill Milosevic? Normally you would think that putting him on trial to justify the west’s policy in the Balkans would be a sound idea until you realise that Milosevic know much, much more about what the west did and the type of deals they negotiated.
It would have been very embarrassing for any of this to come out in any trial. For example, it is only a recently disclosed that the US gave Franjo Tudgman the green light to send troops into Bosnia to fight the Serbs. Its know as the Washington Agreement.
Now imagine if all the other skulduggery came out during the trial and it was on permanent record. Not a nice look at all. It was easier to get rid of him.
In the letter, he complained that he was being poisoned in the Hague Tribunal and asked Russia to protect him and save him. A day later, Milosevic was found dead,"
--
Most sensible people, who were following the trial, had suspected the murder of Milosevic. He was putting up a great defence against the biased NATO kangaroo court. It was a murder house against Serbs.
No surprise he thought that way. Paranoia against the West was something he used extensively to stir up nationalism to get votes. He’d tolerated and probably encouraged the mafia activity that Serbia suffered under his governance; murder was one of the tools that had been used against his opponents.
This mean that Milosevic had no clue what is going on. His wife Mira she new everything. When he had time to remember in the jail thinking that he found out something and probably Mr. Lavrov can help him than was to late. When Mr. Lavrov received his latter thinking that Milosevic know something about what was going on in Balkans and he could talk and Russian plans will be discovered they decided to kill him and this way saving Russians plans and his wife Mira Markovic. This mean that Russians plans about Balkans using Serbs are still active. Now other Serbian politicians are in duty.
In the letter, he complained that he was being poisoned in the Hague Tribunal and asked Russia to protect him and save him. A day later, Milosevic was found dead,"
--
Most sensible people, who were following the trial, had suspected the murder of Milosevic. He was putting up a great defence against the biased NATO kangaroo court. It was a murder house against Serbs.
Why did they kill Milosevic? Normally you would think that putting him on trial to justify the west’s policy in the Balkans would be a sound idea until you realise that Milosevic know much, much more about what the west did and the type of deals they negotiated.
It would have been very embarrassing for any of this to come out in any trial. For example, it is only a recently disclosed that the US gave Franjo Tudgman the green light to send troops into Bosnia to fight the Serbs. Its know as the Washington Agreement.
Now imagine if all the other skulduggery came out during the trial and it was on permanent record. Not a nice look at all. It was easier to get rid of him.
There was a big mistake before the 90s. When Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic and there friends started with nationalism, they should have been all arrested or expelled from the country.
When I think how much people had to suffer because of them, I feel sick.
In the letter, he complained that he was being poisoned in the Hague Tribunal and asked Russia to protect him and save him. A day later, Milosevic was found dead,"
--
It was a murder house against Serbs.
(Zoran, 9 August 2018 12:09)
No, dear, the Serb people were not prosecuted about anything. Just because a few individuals of Serb ethnicity were prosecuted for genocide, that does not mean that the Serb people were guilty of crimes.
Do you really think that if Milosevic made new accusations against the West that anyone would have taken him seriously?
Finding things to stir up feeling against the West was his habit. It would have been viewed as yet more of his spurious attempts to propagandise. I am sure it would have gone down well with nationalists in Serbia, but I doubt anyone else would be impressed.
Your narrative is merely based on your predjudices.
No surprise he thought that way. Paranoia against the West was something he used extensively to stir up nationalism to get votes. He’d tolerated and probably encouraged the mafia activity that Serbia suffered under his governance; murder was one of the tools that had been used against his opponents.
There was a big mistake before the 90s. When Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic and there friends started with nationalism, they should have been all arrested or expelled from the country.
When I think how much people had to suffer because of them, I feel sick.
(Tito reloaded, 9 August 2018 15:15)
I feel like throwing up every time reading your comments. Get it through your thick head, Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist/Socialist like you, his only concern was to keep as much of Yugoslavia together and rule like his protege Tito and Stambolic. Do us all a favour and read some history and politics instead of your unfounded comments.
This mean that Milosevic had no clue what is going on. His wife Mira she new everything. When he had time to remember in the jail thinking that he found out something and probably Mr. Lavrov can help him than was to late. When Mr. Lavrov received his latter thinking that Milosevic know something about what was going on in Balkans and he could talk and Russian plans will be discovered they decided to kill him and this way saving Russians plans and his wife Mira Markovic. This mean that Russians plans about Balkans using Serbs are still active. Now other Serbian politicians are in duty.
"Do you really think that if Milosevic made new accusations against the West that anyone would have taken him seriously? ...I am sure it would have gone down well with nationalists in Serbia, but I doubt anyone else would be impressed."
Or enlightened!
"Your narrative is merely based on your predjudices."
I agree wholeheartedly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Yes, I do. He would have been taken very seriously because he was the one who did a lot of negotiations with the west and he knew the time, place and people involved. As I said the US of Piss and Wind gave Tudjman the green light to send in troops into Bosnia; it was 15 brigades.
It would not be that hard to find out if Milosevic was making it up. The US would not like that happening; remember mud always sticks and they could not wash it off. It goes to the very credibility of the US.
There is a difference between stirring things up against your opponent and disclosing facts that could be easily verified.
I always find it funny how you Albos protect the US even though they have left DU in Kosovo and have not lifted a finger to help it economically. You guys are even happy to sweep under the carpet the illness caused by DU – amazing, but who am I to say anything if you people will not.
Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist
(jugoslavija)
wtf? :D you made my day with your special sence of humour.
A little tip, informer is not really a reliable source.
(Tito reloaded, 9 August 2018 23:10)
--
Milosevic wasn't a nationalist, he was surrounded by them but he wasn't one himself.
Guilty or not, the Kosovo saga is over for the Albanians.
Here is what an analys, who have supported Kosovo as a state wrote in the news;
”"This is a change from previous policy, which unequivocally supported Kosovo's sovereignty and territorial integrity, as defined in its constitution and (not incidentally) drawn in its flag," Serwer wrote on his website.”
Milosevic wasn't a nationalist, he was surrounded by them but he wasn't one himself.
(Zoran)
in that case he was either very, very stupid and had no backbone at all or he wanted to use them to gain power and supported their wishes which makes him by his actions in my eyes a nationalist or at least a nationalist supporter again.
What I know is, that people that were against nationalism had a harsh time under his government in serbia. People who opposed him publicly in some cases even had to leave the country.
This is how you can tell how big of losers serbs are. They think that everything is about how everyone is out to get them. Why would The Hague care to kill that pig looking milosbich. The Hague and the world would of rather had him rot in jail for years instead of killing him. But that’s ok cuz that pig looking child and grama killer is burning in hell forever now 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
"For example, it is only a recently disclosed that the US gave Franjo Tudgman the green light to send troops into Bosnia to fight the Serbs. Its know as the Washington Agreement. "
(sj, 9 August 2018 13:16)
And who gave Serbia the green light to go into Bosnia and Croatia?
Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist
(jugoslavija)
wtf? :D you made my day with your special sence of humour.
A little tip, informer is not really a reliable source.
Ratko Mladic was born in Bozanovici, Kalinovik, Herzegovina, Bosnia in 1943.
Now if the US can help the Croats and to a lesser extent the Bosniaks why couldn’t Milosevic help the Serbs in Bosnia? What the US is allowed because they are the beacons of freedom and democracy?
However, technically Serbia never went to war with Croatia or Bosnia. The world does not give a f*** about the Balkans mate. If you are trying to peddle Croatia was a victim don’t because it was not. Serbia recently played a tape of Tudjman speaking with his Ustashi cronies how he was going to get rid of Serbs in Croatia and this was long before the war.
"Technically, Serbia never went into Bosnia or Croatia; it was the locals that took up arms for fear of Ustashi and the Muslims."
Locals took up arms in the 1990s not the 1940s when the Ustashi actually existed. You are quick to note that it is 2018 not 1995 or 1999 but you have a bigger time problem, missing the difference between the 1940s and 1990s.
"However, if Serbia had gone into these two states it would have been legal since at that time they were still part of Yugoslavia and no laws were broken unlike the US of Piss and Wind giving the Croats the green light to send troops into an internationally recognized country of Bosnia."
So let me get this correct...Bosnia was an internationally recognized country but Croatia was not?
"...but Croats being Croats..."
People are the same all around the world. When are you ever going to learn?
Technically, Serbia never went into Bosnia or Croatia; it was the locals that took up arms for fear of Ustashi and the Muslims. However, if Serbia had gone into these two states it would have been legal since at that time they were still part of Yugoslavia and no laws were broken unlike the US of Piss and Wind giving the Croats the green light to send troops into an internationally recognized country of Bosnia.
Tudjman was given the green light to send in 15 brigades to fight the Serbs and it is now known as the Washington Agreement.
The funny thing was the Croats stabbed the Bosniaks in the back thinking they would somehow cripple the Bosniaks, but Croats being Croats, who are only worthy adversaries with old men and women were beaten LOL. Now the Bosnaiks are ethnically cleansing Croats from the Federation part.
...you speak of “true communist” as if that is a good thing (which it isn’t) or even possible (which it isn’t) or true (which it isn’t).
Any one who is a ‘true communist’ (whatever that is) is typically killed by power hungry dictators (Stalin, Mao) and I would list Milosevic more alongside those two than alongside anyone with proper socialist intentions.
He was also a greedy person - stealing Serbs’ money and putting it in offshore banks in Cyprus for example. That’s a fairly typical illustration of what ‘true communism’ always turns out to be.
No surprise he thought that way. Paranoia against the West was something he used extensively to stir up nationalism to get votes. He’d tolerated and probably encouraged the mafia activity that Serbia suffered under his governance; murder was one of the tools that had been used against his opponents.
This mean that Milosevic had no clue what is going on. His wife Mira she new everything. When he had time to remember in the jail thinking that he found out something and probably Mr. Lavrov can help him than was to late. When Mr. Lavrov received his latter thinking that Milosevic know something about what was going on in Balkans and he could talk and Russian plans will be discovered they decided to kill him and this way saving Russians plans and his wife Mira Markovic. This mean that Russians plans about Balkans using Serbs are still active. Now other Serbian politicians are in duty.
In the letter, he complained that he was being poisoned in the Hague Tribunal and asked Russia to protect him and save him. A day later, Milosevic was found dead,"
--
Most sensible people, who were following the trial, had suspected the murder of Milosevic. He was putting up a great defence against the biased NATO kangaroo court. It was a murder house against Serbs.
Why did they kill Milosevic? Normally you would think that putting him on trial to justify the west’s policy in the Balkans would be a sound idea until you realise that Milosevic know much, much more about what the west did and the type of deals they negotiated.
It would have been very embarrassing for any of this to come out in any trial. For example, it is only a recently disclosed that the US gave Franjo Tudgman the green light to send troops into Bosnia to fight the Serbs. Its know as the Washington Agreement.
Now imagine if all the other skulduggery came out during the trial and it was on permanent record. Not a nice look at all. It was easier to get rid of him.
Do you really think that if Milosevic made new accusations against the West that anyone would have taken him seriously?
Finding things to stir up feeling against the West was his habit. It would have been viewed as yet more of his spurious attempts to propagandise. I am sure it would have gone down well with nationalists in Serbia, but I doubt anyone else would be impressed.
Your narrative is merely based on your predjudices.
There was a big mistake before the 90s. When Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic and there friends started with nationalism, they should have been all arrested or expelled from the country.
When I think how much people had to suffer because of them, I feel sick.
(Tito reloaded, 9 August 2018 15:15)
I feel like throwing up every time reading your comments. Get it through your thick head, Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist/Socialist like you, his only concern was to keep as much of Yugoslavia together and rule like his protege Tito and Stambolic. Do us all a favour and read some history and politics instead of your unfounded comments.
In the letter, he complained that he was being poisoned in the Hague Tribunal and asked Russia to protect him and save him. A day later, Milosevic was found dead,"
--
It was a murder house against Serbs.
(Zoran, 9 August 2018 12:09)
No, dear, the Serb people were not prosecuted about anything. Just because a few individuals of Serb ethnicity were prosecuted for genocide, that does not mean that the Serb people were guilty of crimes.
There was a big mistake before the 90s. When Milosevic, Tudjman, Izetbegovic and there friends started with nationalism, they should have been all arrested or expelled from the country.
When I think how much people had to suffer because of them, I feel sick.
"Do you really think that if Milosevic made new accusations against the West that anyone would have taken him seriously? ...I am sure it would have gone down well with nationalists in Serbia, but I doubt anyone else would be impressed."
Or enlightened!
"Your narrative is merely based on your predjudices."
I agree wholeheartedly. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist
(jugoslavija)
wtf? :D you made my day with your special sence of humour.
A little tip, informer is not really a reliable source.
Yes, I do. He would have been taken very seriously because he was the one who did a lot of negotiations with the west and he knew the time, place and people involved. As I said the US of Piss and Wind gave Tudjman the green light to send in troops into Bosnia; it was 15 brigades.
It would not be that hard to find out if Milosevic was making it up. The US would not like that happening; remember mud always sticks and they could not wash it off. It goes to the very credibility of the US.
There is a difference between stirring things up against your opponent and disclosing facts that could be easily verified.
I always find it funny how you Albos protect the US even though they have left DU in Kosovo and have not lifted a finger to help it economically. You guys are even happy to sweep under the carpet the illness caused by DU – amazing, but who am I to say anything if you people will not.
This is how you can tell how big of losers serbs are. They think that everything is about how everyone is out to get them. Why would The Hague care to kill that pig looking milosbich. The Hague and the world would of rather had him rot in jail for years instead of killing him. But that’s ok cuz that pig looking child and grama killer is burning in hell forever now 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Guilty or not, the Kosovo saga is over for the Albanians.
Here is what an analys, who have supported Kosovo as a state wrote in the news;
”"This is a change from previous policy, which unequivocally supported Kosovo's sovereignty and territorial integrity, as defined in its constitution and (not incidentally) drawn in its flag," Serwer wrote on his website.”
Milosevic was not a Nationalist, but a true Communist
(jugoslavija)
wtf? :D you made my day with your special sence of humour.
A little tip, informer is not really a reliable source.
(Tito reloaded, 9 August 2018 23:10)
--
Milosevic wasn't a nationalist, he was surrounded by them but he wasn't one himself.
Technically, Serbia never went into Bosnia or Croatia; it was the locals that took up arms for fear of Ustashi and the Muslims. However, if Serbia had gone into these two states it would have been legal since at that time they were still part of Yugoslavia and no laws were broken unlike the US of Piss and Wind giving the Croats the green light to send troops into an internationally recognized country of Bosnia.
Tudjman was given the green light to send in 15 brigades to fight the Serbs and it is now known as the Washington Agreement.
The funny thing was the Croats stabbed the Bosniaks in the back thinking they would somehow cripple the Bosniaks, but Croats being Croats, who are only worthy adversaries with old men and women were beaten LOL. Now the Bosnaiks are ethnically cleansing Croats from the Federation part.
Milosevic wasn't a nationalist, he was surrounded by them but he wasn't one himself.
(Zoran)
in that case he was either very, very stupid and had no backbone at all or he wanted to use them to gain power and supported their wishes which makes him by his actions in my eyes a nationalist or at least a nationalist supporter again.
What I know is, that people that were against nationalism had a harsh time under his government in serbia. People who opposed him publicly in some cases even had to leave the country.
"For example, it is only a recently disclosed that the US gave Franjo Tudgman the green light to send troops into Bosnia to fight the Serbs. Its know as the Washington Agreement. "
(sj, 9 August 2018 13:16)
And who gave Serbia the green light to go into Bosnia and Croatia?
...you speak of “true communist” as if that is a good thing (which it isn’t) or even possible (which it isn’t) or true (which it isn’t).
Any one who is a ‘true communist’ (whatever that is) is typically killed by power hungry dictators (Stalin, Mao) and I would list Milosevic more alongside those two than alongside anyone with proper socialist intentions.
He was also a greedy person - stealing Serbs’ money and putting it in offshore banks in Cyprus for example. That’s a fairly typical illustration of what ‘true communism’ always turns out to be.
"Technically, Serbia never went into Bosnia or Croatia; it was the locals that took up arms for fear of Ustashi and the Muslims."
Locals took up arms in the 1990s not the 1940s when the Ustashi actually existed. You are quick to note that it is 2018 not 1995 or 1999 but you have a bigger time problem, missing the difference between the 1940s and 1990s.
"However, if Serbia had gone into these two states it would have been legal since at that time they were still part of Yugoslavia and no laws were broken unlike the US of Piss and Wind giving the Croats the green light to send troops into an internationally recognized country of Bosnia."
So let me get this correct...Bosnia was an internationally recognized country but Croatia was not?
"...but Croats being Croats..."
People are the same all around the world. When are you ever going to learn?
Ratko Mladic was born in Bozanovici, Kalinovik, Herzegovina, Bosnia in 1943.
Now if the US can help the Croats and to a lesser extent the Bosniaks why couldn’t Milosevic help the Serbs in Bosnia? What the US is allowed because they are the beacons of freedom and democracy?
However, technically Serbia never went to war with Croatia or Bosnia. The world does not give a f*** about the Balkans mate. If you are trying to peddle Croatia was a victim don’t because it was not. Serbia recently played a tape of Tudjman speaking with his Ustashi cronies how he was going to get rid of Serbs in Croatia and this was long before the war.
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