Face it icj1, your beloved leaders were found to be guilty of the most horrendous crimes
(njegos, 4 December 2017 17:05)
My beloved leader Milosevic was found guilty?! When did that happen? Or is that another dream of yours that you experience because of your Serb-hating obsession!
As for Milosevic. He died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Milosevic).
(factman, 5 December 2017 01:59)
Sure, and as for Tudjman he died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Tudjman)
I am sure that they will take all your word play into consideration when the joint criminal enterprise is told to pay damages to Sarajevo.
And who will be paying those damages?
Tudjman from the grave? Or the state of Croatia?
Clearly the State of Croatia will pay because the legal representative of the state of Croatia was Tudjman. And Croatia must bear the burden of its legal representative who made decisions on its behalf.
Not only will the state pay, but it will raise taxes on its citizenry to do so.
As for Milosevic. He died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Milosevic).
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Exactly, that quote nowhere mentions Serbia or Croatia being part of any joint criminal enterprise. Thank you for providing the evidence that what I wrote was correct."
The Ustasha queen of deflection and obfuscation is at it again trying to defend the indefensible. So if I had stated that the former leaders of Croatia were found to have run a joint criminal enterprise and of ethnically cleansing Muslims in Bosnia, you would agree with that, right? Face it icj1, your beloved leaders were found to be guilty of the most horrendous crimes and what makes it worse is that committed them against those who were supposed to be their allies. Now the world can see the true character of Croats and the more you deflect, lie, obfuscate and defend these criminals, the more we learn about you Ina dear. Seems like you're back peddling more and more everyday as news becomes available about Croat crimes. Happy reading sweetie!!
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
(factman, 3 December 2017 03:58)
So, according to your logic, the President of the Serbian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative!!!
No, dear, it does not work that way. The Serbia or Croatia are not guilty for the actions of their presidents who violated their oath of office and became members of joint criminal enterprises.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
(factman, 3 December 2017 03:58)
So, according to your logic, the President of the Serbian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative!!!
No, dear, it does not work that way. The Serbia or Croatia are not guilty for the actions of their presidents who violated their oath of office and became members of joint criminal enterprises.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
And then this from the Hague: "In the statement, the Prosecution said that the Appeals Chamber "confirmed that the six accused, together with then-senior leaders of the Republic of Croatia, were key participants in a joint criminal enterprise to ethnically cleanse Bosnian Muslims through the commission of crimes against humanity, grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and other war crimes."
(njegos, 2 December 2017 18:42)
Exactly, that quote nowhere mentions Serbia or Croatia being part of any joint criminal enterprise. Thank you for providing the evidence that what I wrote was correct.
Fun fact.croatia was the only country during second world war to have concetration camps for children.says everything about them
(Delija melburn, 2 December 2017 00:13)
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Don't forget, they were run by nuns. How's that for evil?
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
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You are correct and I mis-wrote. But the effect is the same.
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
Well what are you waiting for? Santa Claus? Sue away LOL. I suggest that you contact Bernstein and Poission form Las Vegas who specialize in compo work.
(sj, 1 December 2017 13:11)
sj,
Just because you've been in an airplane, it doesn't make you a pilot.
Hrvatska predsednica Kolinda Grabar Kitarović: Istorijska istina - branili BiH od velikosrpske agresije https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=12&dd=02&nav_category=167&nav_id=1331819
From the Serb-Hater icj1: "Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise."
And then this from the Hague: "In the statement, the Prosecution said that the Appeals Chamber "confirmed that the six accused, together with then-senior leaders of the Republic of Croatia, were key participants in a joint criminal enterprise to ethnically cleanse Bosnian Muslims through the commission of crimes against humanity, grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and other war crimes."
Clear evidence that the Serb-Hater icj1 lives in dreamworld so convoluted by hatred toward anything and everything Serbian that she refuses to accept reality. What part of the above statement from the Hague don't you understand icj1? Time for you to join the rest of us on planet earth sweetie!!
thats correct serbia was the agressor and will be in the future if the opportunity shows. However croatia should not forget that they were the aggressor in Bosnia during the war in ex-yu.
Croatia is facing very hard economic times EU is distancing away from Croatia in terms of money and support this is why Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic is talking like a clown. Croatia needs serbia for economic stability Serbia should negotiate hard and take some of it's Land lost to the Croats. A
Angkor is driving Croatia into a poor country. ECB won't help Croatia. The croatian Bimbo is trying to shift the blame on the dead Serbians in order to have better economic ties with Serbia..its very weak from the Croatian Bimbo.
This woman is a lying fool and accomplice to the long history of Croatian war crimes and barbarity which still exists. Croatia relishes in hiding not only its past but present crimes and misdemeanors. Shameful but not surprising.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
the same court said no joint criminal enterprise was run by the Serbs
(njegos, 1 December 2017 20:51)
The same court never said that, because the Serbs were never indicted for anything, let alone a joint criminal enterprise. Only a Serb-hater like you hates the Serbs so much to experience dreams where the Serbs are indicted!
Croatia was accused to be an aggressor and occupier during the time it itself had 1/3 of its country under occupiation. This doesnt have absolutely any sort of sense.
(Dan, 1 December 2017 11:19)
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In what way was Serbia the aggressor? None of the military personnel belonged to Serbia. Unlike Croatians, they were all in either Croatian or Bosnian Serb forces. Not one belonged to either Yugoslav or Serbian military.
Croats were under Tudjman's orders. Serbs were not under Milosevic's orders. Volunteers are a different story.
Kooky Kolinda the blonde bimbo is about as suited to be president of a country as Mickey Mouse is. The Hague has found that that her predecessors are guilty of running a joint criminal enterprise and ethnically cleansing their former allies, the Muslims, and all she can do is regurgitate the Croatian company line, 'the Serbs were the aggressors.' Truly comical.
This must really irk the Croat Ustasha apologists like icj1, Dwight, Lenard and the Albanian Ustasha lover Azir because the same court said no joint criminal enterprise was run by the Serbs and cleared Milosevic of such charges and of forcibly expelling Muslims and Croats from Bosnia which has been one of the Croat-Muslims primary rallying cry. It takes a while, but the truth does eventually come out. Read em and weep revisionists.
Every one says Serbia is the war criminal aggressor even Serbs who knew. Like Serb war criminal Karadziz said. If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened in Bosnia. Same with Serb war criminal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Babi%C4%87 Milan Babic in Croatia said. If it wasn't for lies and manipulations of Serbia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDADy9b2IBM and Slobadan. Nothing would of happened in Croatia. Serbs are delusional getting worse only heading to their own inspired demise.
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
(Albanian American, 1 December 2017 12
It's more then 22 years since the end of Bosnian war ))
Why isn't Bosnia taking Serbia to international courts ???, and winning the legal battle??
Early 1990's Yugoslav Army had full of Slovenian Generals )),sue them ))
Remember , 1990's is a messy decade . Every Army or commanders committed very shameful inhumane crimes , but know one wants to admit then, including your Shqiptars) ))
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
(Albanian American, 1 December 2017 12:12)
Well what are you waiting for? Santa Claus? Sue away LOL. I suggest that you contact Bernstein and Poission form Las Vegas who specialize in compo work.
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
Croatia was accused to be an aggressor and occupier during the time it itself had 1/3 of its country under occupiation. This doesnt have absolutely any sort of sense.
How is this possible? Accused for "Greater Croatia" at the same time when 1/3 of the country is ethnically cleansed from Croats and in under real occupation, with no visible form of future solution of the conflict in near future. Also can be read that Muslim army was also very active against Croats in Bosnia when struggle for positions began between them, and jihadists from Al Qaida were involved. Why are they abolished? This whole thing stinks big time. This reminds me on Israel being accused as occupator by UN through sheer power of Muslim countries in it.
THAT IS TROLLEY ORIGHT. CROATIA NEWER ATTACK NOBODY. IT'S WAS ONLEY DEFEND OWN STATE.BOT ALL CAINE THING BE TWIN X.JUGOSLAVIA.HADE BAD POINTS. (BAD APPLE).!!!
Milosevic and Serbian government were thoroughly cleared
[link]/
(Sreten, 30 November 2017 20:00)
That link is from counterpunch not ICTY, dear! So, if your point is that Milosevic and Serbian government were thoroughly cleared by counterpunch, you are definitively correct.
Btw, what did counterpunch clear the Serbian government from?! There has not been any indictment about anything against the Serbian government...
@Joe a
Milosevic was never cleared from joint enterprise
(Dwight, 30 November 2017 17:48)
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Nor was he convicted. He died before any judgement.
You don't have a point.
Did he take his own life? How? Who supplied the means?
Was he not looked after well enough and died of "natural causes"?
Croatia already sold its coastline to Austrian, German, and Italian tourism. You might be able to put Istria up for auction.
(Navi, 30 November 2017 16:43)
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Then when there is no more left to sell, your arses. You know how to do it, you've done it before. As recently as the 90s.
Perhaps someone should ask Kolinder what she gained from grovelling to Putin and what the Russian General (sent by Putin to Zagreb following her visit to Moscow) said to the Croats LOL.
Croats are that dumb they don't realize that the world, in particular the west, are tired of their whining and that not one cent will be invested in Croatia while they continue with their Ustasha stance.
Even German newspapers now proclaim that Croatia is a country with the greatest fascist tendencies. I suppose that she has to beat the Ustashi drum to take people's attention away from a poor economy and continuing falling in living standards.
Contrary to that, evidence, testimonies and documents prove that behind actions of 6 sentenced yesterday was Franjo Tudjman (President of Croatia at the time), minister of defence in his government Gojko Susak, military chief of Croatian army Janko Bobetko, etc.
Intercepted communication shows that orders were coming from Zagreb while Bosnian Croats were subordinated.
It also shows that besides volunteers, parts of regular Croatian troops were in Bosnia throughout the war.
Uloga Srbije i Miloševića detaljno se navodi u presudi Martiću https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/srbija-haaski-sud-uzp-natasa-kandic-ratko-mladic-1211189
So funny seeing grab-bag kitarovic squirm. Great thing though, this would have just passed under the radar as an everyday news item until the poisoning brought it into the international spotlight.
Well, the ICTY clearly sees that differently. Not only does it say that there was a Croatian criminal enterprise in BiH involving Tudjman, but previously Milosevic was cleared from that. And not only that. In the trial against Seselj, the ICTY concluded that the state of war in Yugoslavia was legal due to illegal secession. The breakup of Yugoslavia was against the constitution of Yugoslavia because it required that all the republics and provinces had to agree if somebody wanted to break away. Only the Yugoslav assembly could agree on changing the borders of Yugoslavia. The JNA defended its borders.
Croatia "was not an aggressor," Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic said in Zagreb on Thursday, Beta reported.
Do not worry your blonde pretty head Kolinda 😀, your Croatian hero's will not be convict for crime against Serbs . The Vatican will not allow it. You Croat hero are convicted for crime against Bosnijaks Muslims, not Serbs for you to blame😀.
But again , let's blame the Serbs for Mostar city crimes 😀. Defendant Blonde 😀))
Yes Croatia we Serbs know you are innocent, the evidence of Jesanovac and Sisak was hushed up by Serbian people them selves just to please the new mortal god Josip Broz Tito in Beograd ! Serbian people don't know or want to understand the meaning of unity and respect for one another, this is why Srbija in the situation it is today ! As long as Serbian people remain divided and blind the Roman Catholic Empire will wipe Hitler's dirty ass with the tears and blood of all Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans !!!
Let me try to explain in simple words so she can understand.
Croatias unilateral secession was illegal and stupid.
Serbs didn't want to live be under a government that professed its admiration for the ustasa.
They rebelled to protect themselves from the possibility of another genocide.
Clearly it failed, as they were genocided anyway.
It was a civil war, Croatian against croatian.
Let me try to explain in simple words so she can understand.
Croatias unilateral secession was illegal and stupid.
Serbs didn't want to live be under a government that professed its admiration for the ustasa.
They rebelled to protect themselves from the possibility of another genocide.
Clearly it failed, as they were genocided anyway.
It was a civil war, Croatian against croatian.
Croatia "was not an aggressor," Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic said in Zagreb on Thursday, Beta reported.
Do not worry your blonde pretty head Kolinda 😀, your Croatian hero's will not be convict for crime against Serbs . The Vatican will not allow it. You Croat hero are convicted for crime against Bosnijaks Muslims, not Serbs for you to blame😀.
But again , let's blame the Serbs for Mostar city crimes 😀. Defendant Blonde 😀))
Well, the ICTY clearly sees that differently. Not only does it say that there was a Croatian criminal enterprise in BiH involving Tudjman, but previously Milosevic was cleared from that. And not only that. In the trial against Seselj, the ICTY concluded that the state of war in Yugoslavia was legal due to illegal secession. The breakup of Yugoslavia was against the constitution of Yugoslavia because it required that all the republics and provinces had to agree if somebody wanted to break away. Only the Yugoslav assembly could agree on changing the borders of Yugoslavia. The JNA defended its borders.
Yes Croatia we Serbs know you are innocent, the evidence of Jesanovac and Sisak was hushed up by Serbian people them selves just to please the new mortal god Josip Broz Tito in Beograd ! Serbian people don't know or want to understand the meaning of unity and respect for one another, this is why Srbija in the situation it is today ! As long as Serbian people remain divided and blind the Roman Catholic Empire will wipe Hitler's dirty ass with the tears and blood of all Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans !!!
Contrary to that, evidence, testimonies and documents prove that behind actions of 6 sentenced yesterday was Franjo Tudjman (President of Croatia at the time), minister of defence in his government Gojko Susak, military chief of Croatian army Janko Bobetko, etc.
Intercepted communication shows that orders were coming from Zagreb while Bosnian Croats were subordinated.
It also shows that besides volunteers, parts of regular Croatian troops were in Bosnia throughout the war.
So funny seeing grab-bag kitarovic squirm. Great thing though, this would have just passed under the radar as an everyday news item until the poisoning brought it into the international spotlight.
Every one says Serbia is the war criminal aggressor even Serbs who knew. Like Serb war criminal Karadziz said. If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened in Bosnia. Same with Serb war criminal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Babi%C4%87 Milan Babic in Croatia said. If it wasn't for lies and manipulations of Serbia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDADy9b2IBM and Slobadan. Nothing would of happened in Croatia. Serbs are delusional getting worse only heading to their own inspired demise.
Perhaps someone should ask Kolinder what she gained from grovelling to Putin and what the Russian General (sent by Putin to Zagreb following her visit to Moscow) said to the Croats LOL.
Croats are that dumb they don't realize that the world, in particular the west, are tired of their whining and that not one cent will be invested in Croatia while they continue with their Ustasha stance.
Even German newspapers now proclaim that Croatia is a country with the greatest fascist tendencies. I suppose that she has to beat the Ustashi drum to take people's attention away from a poor economy and continuing falling in living standards.
Croatia already sold its coastline to Austrian, German, and Italian tourism. You might be able to put Istria up for auction.
(Navi, 30 November 2017 16:43)
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Then when there is no more left to sell, your arses. You know how to do it, you've done it before. As recently as the 90s.
How is this possible? Accused for "Greater Croatia" at the same time when 1/3 of the country is ethnically cleansed from Croats and in under real occupation, with no visible form of future solution of the conflict in near future. Also can be read that Muslim army was also very active against Croats in Bosnia when struggle for positions began between them, and jihadists from Al Qaida were involved. Why are they abolished? This whole thing stinks big time. This reminds me on Israel being accused as occupator by UN through sheer power of Muslim countries in it.
Uloga Srbije i Miloševića detaljno se navodi u presudi Martiću https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/srbija-haaski-sud-uzp-natasa-kandic-ratko-mladic-1211189
@Joe a
Milosevic was never cleared from joint enterprise
(Dwight, 30 November 2017 17:48)
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Nor was he convicted. He died before any judgement.
You don't have a point.
Did he take his own life? How? Who supplied the means?
Was he not looked after well enough and died of "natural causes"?
Croatia was accused to be an aggressor and occupier during the time it itself had 1/3 of its country under occupiation. This doesnt have absolutely any sort of sense.
(Dan, 1 December 2017 11:19)
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In what way was Serbia the aggressor? None of the military personnel belonged to Serbia. Unlike Croatians, they were all in either Croatian or Bosnian Serb forces. Not one belonged to either Yugoslav or Serbian military.
Croats were under Tudjman's orders. Serbs were not under Milosevic's orders. Volunteers are a different story.
Kooky Kolinda the blonde bimbo is about as suited to be president of a country as Mickey Mouse is. The Hague has found that that her predecessors are guilty of running a joint criminal enterprise and ethnically cleansing their former allies, the Muslims, and all she can do is regurgitate the Croatian company line, 'the Serbs were the aggressors.' Truly comical.
This must really irk the Croat Ustasha apologists like icj1, Dwight, Lenard and the Albanian Ustasha lover Azir because the same court said no joint criminal enterprise was run by the Serbs and cleared Milosevic of such charges and of forcibly expelling Muslims and Croats from Bosnia which has been one of the Croat-Muslims primary rallying cry. It takes a while, but the truth does eventually come out. Read em and weep revisionists.
Croatia was accused to be an aggressor and occupier during the time it itself had 1/3 of its country under occupiation. This doesnt have absolutely any sort of sense.
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
THAT IS TROLLEY ORIGHT. CROATIA NEWER ATTACK NOBODY. IT'S WAS ONLEY DEFEND OWN STATE.BOT ALL CAINE THING BE TWIN X.JUGOSLAVIA.HADE BAD POINTS. (BAD APPLE).!!!
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
(Albanian American, 1 December 2017 12:12)
Well what are you waiting for? Santa Claus? Sue away LOL. I suggest that you contact Bernstein and Poission form Las Vegas who specialize in compo work.
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
(Albanian American, 1 December 2017 12
It's more then 22 years since the end of Bosnian war ))
Why isn't Bosnia taking Serbia to international courts ???, and winning the legal battle??
Early 1990's Yugoslav Army had full of Slovenian Generals )),sue them ))
Remember , 1990's is a messy decade . Every Army or commanders committed very shameful inhumane crimes , but know one wants to admit then, including your Shqiptars) ))
the same court said no joint criminal enterprise was run by the Serbs
(njegos, 1 December 2017 20:51)
The same court never said that, because the Serbs were never indicted for anything, let alone a joint criminal enterprise. Only a Serb-hater like you hates the Serbs so much to experience dreams where the Serbs are indicted!
thats correct serbia was the agressor and will be in the future if the opportunity shows. However croatia should not forget that they were the aggressor in Bosnia during the war in ex-yu.
Well what are you waiting for? Santa Claus? Sue away LOL. I suggest that you contact Bernstein and Poission form Las Vegas who specialize in compo work.
(sj, 1 December 2017 13:11)
sj,
Just because you've been in an airplane, it doesn't make you a pilot.
This woman is a lying fool and accomplice to the long history of Croatian war crimes and barbarity which still exists. Croatia relishes in hiding not only its past but present crimes and misdemeanors. Shameful but not surprising.
Angkor is driving Croatia into a poor country. ECB won't help Croatia. The croatian Bimbo is trying to shift the blame on the dead Serbians in order to have better economic ties with Serbia..its very weak from the Croatian Bimbo.
Milosevic and Serbian government were thoroughly cleared
[link]/
(Sreten, 30 November 2017 20:00)
That link is from counterpunch not ICTY, dear! So, if your point is that Milosevic and Serbian government were thoroughly cleared by counterpunch, you are definitively correct.
Btw, what did counterpunch clear the Serbian government from?! There has not been any indictment about anything against the Serbian government...
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
Croatia is facing very hard economic times EU is distancing away from Croatia in terms of money and support this is why Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic is talking like a clown. Croatia needs serbia for economic stability Serbia should negotiate hard and take some of it's Land lost to the Croats. A
Hrvatska predsednica Kolinda Grabar Kitarović: Istorijska istina - branili BiH od velikosrpske agresije https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=12&dd=02&nav_category=167&nav_id=1331819
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Exactly, that quote nowhere mentions Serbia or Croatia being part of any joint criminal enterprise. Thank you for providing the evidence that what I wrote was correct."
The Ustasha queen of deflection and obfuscation is at it again trying to defend the indefensible. So if I had stated that the former leaders of Croatia were found to have run a joint criminal enterprise and of ethnically cleansing Muslims in Bosnia, you would agree with that, right? Face it icj1, your beloved leaders were found to be guilty of the most horrendous crimes and what makes it worse is that committed them against those who were supposed to be their allies. Now the world can see the true character of Croats and the more you deflect, lie, obfuscate and defend these criminals, the more we learn about you Ina dear. Seems like you're back peddling more and more everyday as news becomes available about Croat crimes. Happy reading sweetie!!
From the Serb-Hater icj1: "Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise."
And then this from the Hague: "In the statement, the Prosecution said that the Appeals Chamber "confirmed that the six accused, together with then-senior leaders of the Republic of Croatia, were key participants in a joint criminal enterprise to ethnically cleanse Bosnian Muslims through the commission of crimes against humanity, grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and other war crimes."
Clear evidence that the Serb-Hater icj1 lives in dreamworld so convoluted by hatred toward anything and everything Serbian that she refuses to accept reality. What part of the above statement from the Hague don't you understand icj1? Time for you to join the rest of us on planet earth sweetie!!
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
(factman, 3 December 2017 03:58)
So, according to your logic, the President of the Serbian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative!!!
No, dear, it does not work that way. The Serbia or Croatia are not guilty for the actions of their presidents who violated their oath of office and became members of joint criminal enterprises.
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
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You are correct and I mis-wrote. But the effect is the same.
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
And then this from the Hague: "In the statement, the Prosecution said that the Appeals Chamber "confirmed that the six accused, together with then-senior leaders of the Republic of Croatia, were key participants in a joint criminal enterprise to ethnically cleanse Bosnian Muslims through the commission of crimes against humanity, grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and other war crimes."
(njegos, 2 December 2017 18:42)
Exactly, that quote nowhere mentions Serbia or Croatia being part of any joint criminal enterprise. Thank you for providing the evidence that what I wrote was correct.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
(factman, 3 December 2017 03:58)
So, according to your logic, the President of the Serbian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative!!!
No, dear, it does not work that way. The Serbia or Croatia are not guilty for the actions of their presidents who violated their oath of office and became members of joint criminal enterprises.
Fun fact.croatia was the only country during second world war to have concetration camps for children.says everything about them
(Delija melburn, 2 December 2017 00:13)
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Don't forget, they were run by nuns. How's that for evil?
I am sure that they will take all your word play into consideration when the joint criminal enterprise is told to pay damages to Sarajevo.
And who will be paying those damages?
Tudjman from the grave? Or the state of Croatia?
Clearly the State of Croatia will pay because the legal representative of the state of Croatia was Tudjman. And Croatia must bear the burden of its legal representative who made decisions on its behalf.
Not only will the state pay, but it will raise taxes on its citizenry to do so.
As for Milosevic. He died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Milosevic).
As for Milosevic. He died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Milosevic).
(factman, 5 December 2017 01:59)
Sure, and as for Tudjman he died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Tudjman)
Face it icj1, your beloved leaders were found to be guilty of the most horrendous crimes
(njegos, 4 December 2017 17:05)
My beloved leader Milosevic was found guilty?! When did that happen? Or is that another dream of yours that you experience because of your Serb-hating obsession!
Yes Croatia we Serbs know you are innocent, the evidence of Jesanovac and Sisak was hushed up by Serbian people them selves just to please the new mortal god Josip Broz Tito in Beograd ! Serbian people don't know or want to understand the meaning of unity and respect for one another, this is why Srbija in the situation it is today ! As long as Serbian people remain divided and blind the Roman Catholic Empire will wipe Hitler's dirty ass with the tears and blood of all Eastern Orthodox Christianity of the Balkans !!!
Croatia "was not an aggressor," Croatian President Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic said in Zagreb on Thursday, Beta reported.
Do not worry your blonde pretty head Kolinda 😀, your Croatian hero's will not be convict for crime against Serbs . The Vatican will not allow it. You Croat hero are convicted for crime against Bosnijaks Muslims, not Serbs for you to blame😀.
But again , let's blame the Serbs for Mostar city crimes 😀. Defendant Blonde 😀))
Uloga Srbije i Miloševića detaljno se navodi u presudi Martiću https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/srbija-haaski-sud-uzp-natasa-kandic-ratko-mladic-1211189
Let me try to explain in simple words so she can understand.
Croatias unilateral secession was illegal and stupid.
Serbs didn't want to live be under a government that professed its admiration for the ustasa.
They rebelled to protect themselves from the possibility of another genocide.
Clearly it failed, as they were genocided anyway.
It was a civil war, Croatian against croatian.
Kooky Kolinda the blonde bimbo is about as suited to be president of a country as Mickey Mouse is. The Hague has found that that her predecessors are guilty of running a joint criminal enterprise and ethnically cleansing their former allies, the Muslims, and all she can do is regurgitate the Croatian company line, 'the Serbs were the aggressors.' Truly comical.
This must really irk the Croat Ustasha apologists like icj1, Dwight, Lenard and the Albanian Ustasha lover Azir because the same court said no joint criminal enterprise was run by the Serbs and cleared Milosevic of such charges and of forcibly expelling Muslims and Croats from Bosnia which has been one of the Croat-Muslims primary rallying cry. It takes a while, but the truth does eventually come out. Read em and weep revisionists.
Croatia was accused to be an aggressor and occupier during the time it itself had 1/3 of its country under occupiation. This doesnt have absolutely any sort of sense.
(Dan, 1 December 2017 11:19)
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In what way was Serbia the aggressor? None of the military personnel belonged to Serbia. Unlike Croatians, they were all in either Croatian or Bosnian Serb forces. Not one belonged to either Yugoslav or Serbian military.
Croats were under Tudjman's orders. Serbs were not under Milosevic's orders. Volunteers are a different story.
Well, the ICTY clearly sees that differently. Not only does it say that there was a Croatian criminal enterprise in BiH involving Tudjman, but previously Milosevic was cleared from that. And not only that. In the trial against Seselj, the ICTY concluded that the state of war in Yugoslavia was legal due to illegal secession. The breakup of Yugoslavia was against the constitution of Yugoslavia because it required that all the republics and provinces had to agree if somebody wanted to break away. Only the Yugoslav assembly could agree on changing the borders of Yugoslavia. The JNA defended its borders.
Croatia already sold its coastline to Austrian, German, and Italian tourism. You might be able to put Istria up for auction.
(Navi, 30 November 2017 16:43)
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Then when there is no more left to sell, your arses. You know how to do it, you've done it before. As recently as the 90s.
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
Every one says Serbia is the war criminal aggressor even Serbs who knew. Like Serb war criminal Karadziz said. If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened in Bosnia. Same with Serb war criminal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Babi%C4%87 Milan Babic in Croatia said. If it wasn't for lies and manipulations of Serbia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDADy9b2IBM and Slobadan. Nothing would of happened in Croatia. Serbs are delusional getting worse only heading to their own inspired demise.
THAT IS TROLLEY ORIGHT. CROATIA NEWER ATTACK NOBODY. IT'S WAS ONLEY DEFEND OWN STATE.BOT ALL CAINE THING BE TWIN X.JUGOSLAVIA.HADE BAD POINTS. (BAD APPLE).!!!
Angkor is driving Croatia into a poor country. ECB won't help Croatia. The croatian Bimbo is trying to shift the blame on the dead Serbians in order to have better economic ties with Serbia..its very weak from the Croatian Bimbo.
From the Serb-Hater icj1: "Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise."
And then this from the Hague: "In the statement, the Prosecution said that the Appeals Chamber "confirmed that the six accused, together with then-senior leaders of the Republic of Croatia, were key participants in a joint criminal enterprise to ethnically cleanse Bosnian Muslims through the commission of crimes against humanity, grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and other war crimes."
Clear evidence that the Serb-Hater icj1 lives in dreamworld so convoluted by hatred toward anything and everything Serbian that she refuses to accept reality. What part of the above statement from the Hague don't you understand icj1? Time for you to join the rest of us on planet earth sweetie!!
Perhaps someone should ask Kolinder what she gained from grovelling to Putin and what the Russian General (sent by Putin to Zagreb following her visit to Moscow) said to the Croats LOL.
Croats are that dumb they don't realize that the world, in particular the west, are tired of their whining and that not one cent will be invested in Croatia while they continue with their Ustasha stance.
Even German newspapers now proclaim that Croatia is a country with the greatest fascist tendencies. I suppose that she has to beat the Ustashi drum to take people's attention away from a poor economy and continuing falling in living standards.
This woman is a lying fool and accomplice to the long history of Croatian war crimes and barbarity which still exists. Croatia relishes in hiding not only its past but present crimes and misdemeanors. Shameful but not surprising.
Croatia is facing very hard economic times EU is distancing away from Croatia in terms of money and support this is why Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic is talking like a clown. Croatia needs serbia for economic stability Serbia should negotiate hard and take some of it's Land lost to the Croats. A
@Joe a
Milosevic was never cleared from joint enterprise
(Dwight, 30 November 2017 17:48)
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Nor was he convicted. He died before any judgement.
You don't have a point.
Did he take his own life? How? Who supplied the means?
Was he not looked after well enough and died of "natural causes"?
Croatia was accused to be an aggressor and occupier during the time it itself had 1/3 of its country under occupiation. This doesnt have absolutely any sort of sense.
So funny seeing grab-bag kitarovic squirm. Great thing though, this would have just passed under the radar as an everyday news item until the poisoning brought it into the international spotlight.
Contrary to that, evidence, testimonies and documents prove that behind actions of 6 sentenced yesterday was Franjo Tudjman (President of Croatia at the time), minister of defence in his government Gojko Susak, military chief of Croatian army Janko Bobetko, etc.
Intercepted communication shows that orders were coming from Zagreb while Bosnian Croats were subordinated.
It also shows that besides volunteers, parts of regular Croatian troops were in Bosnia throughout the war.
Milosevic and Serbian government were thoroughly cleared
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(Sreten, 30 November 2017 20:00)
That link is from counterpunch not ICTY, dear! So, if your point is that Milosevic and Serbian government were thoroughly cleared by counterpunch, you are definitively correct.
Btw, what did counterpunch clear the Serbian government from?! There has not been any indictment about anything against the Serbian government...
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
(Albanian American, 1 December 2017 12:12)
Well what are you waiting for? Santa Claus? Sue away LOL. I suggest that you contact Bernstein and Poission form Las Vegas who specialize in compo work.
Can’t hide behind yug. anymore. All the commanders and the paramilitary terorrist were serbs. serbia is responsible for the atrocities, rapes and massacres of the civilians.
Slovenia was part of yug. can anybody sue them,?
(Albanian American, 1 December 2017 12
It's more then 22 years since the end of Bosnian war ))
Why isn't Bosnia taking Serbia to international courts ???, and winning the legal battle??
Early 1990's Yugoslav Army had full of Slovenian Generals )),sue them ))
Remember , 1990's is a messy decade . Every Army or commanders committed very shameful inhumane crimes , but know one wants to admit then, including your Shqiptars) ))
thats correct serbia was the agressor and will be in the future if the opportunity shows. However croatia should not forget that they were the aggressor in Bosnia during the war in ex-yu.
Hrvatska predsednica Kolinda Grabar Kitarović: Istorijska istina - branili BiH od velikosrpske agresije https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2017&mm=12&dd=02&nav_category=167&nav_id=1331819
From icj1 the Serb-Hater: "Exactly, that quote nowhere mentions Serbia or Croatia being part of any joint criminal enterprise. Thank you for providing the evidence that what I wrote was correct."
The Ustasha queen of deflection and obfuscation is at it again trying to defend the indefensible. So if I had stated that the former leaders of Croatia were found to have run a joint criminal enterprise and of ethnically cleansing Muslims in Bosnia, you would agree with that, right? Face it icj1, your beloved leaders were found to be guilty of the most horrendous crimes and what makes it worse is that committed them against those who were supposed to be their allies. Now the world can see the true character of Croats and the more you deflect, lie, obfuscate and defend these criminals, the more we learn about you Ina dear. Seems like you're back peddling more and more everyday as news becomes available about Croat crimes. Happy reading sweetie!!
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
the same court said no joint criminal enterprise was run by the Serbs
(njegos, 1 December 2017 20:51)
The same court never said that, because the Serbs were never indicted for anything, let alone a joint criminal enterprise. Only a Serb-hater like you hates the Serbs so much to experience dreams where the Serbs are indicted!
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
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You are correct and I mis-wrote. But the effect is the same.
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
Fun fact.croatia was the only country during second world war to have concetration camps for children.says everything about them
(Delija melburn, 2 December 2017 00:13)
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Don't forget, they were run by nuns. How's that for evil?
How is this possible? Accused for "Greater Croatia" at the same time when 1/3 of the country is ethnically cleansed from Croats and in under real occupation, with no visible form of future solution of the conflict in near future. Also can be read that Muslim army was also very active against Croats in Bosnia when struggle for positions began between them, and jihadists from Al Qaida were involved. Why are they abolished? This whole thing stinks big time. This reminds me on Israel being accused as occupator by UN through sheer power of Muslim countries in it.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
And then this from the Hague: "In the statement, the Prosecution said that the Appeals Chamber "confirmed that the six accused, together with then-senior leaders of the Republic of Croatia, were key participants in a joint criminal enterprise to ethnically cleanse Bosnian Muslims through the commission of crimes against humanity, grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions and other war crimes."
(njegos, 2 December 2017 18:42)
Exactly, that quote nowhere mentions Serbia or Croatia being part of any joint criminal enterprise. Thank you for providing the evidence that what I wrote was correct.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
(factman, 3 December 2017 03:58)
So, according to your logic, the President of the Serbian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative!!!
No, dear, it does not work that way. The Serbia or Croatia are not guilty for the actions of their presidents who violated their oath of office and became members of joint criminal enterprises.
Serbia is not party to a joint criminal enterprise. Only Croatia.
(factman, 1 December 2017 02:22)
Those are dreams that you experienced, dear, and you are confusing them with reality. Neither Serbia nor Croatia were part of any joint criminal enterprise.
(icj1, 2 December 2017 02:25)
The President of the Croatian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative.
(factman, 3 December 2017 03:58)
So, according to your logic, the President of the Serbian nation is implicated and therefore the nation of which he is the legal representative!!!
No, dear, it does not work that way. The Serbia or Croatia are not guilty for the actions of their presidents who violated their oath of office and became members of joint criminal enterprises.
Well what are you waiting for? Santa Claus? Sue away LOL. I suggest that you contact Bernstein and Poission form Las Vegas who specialize in compo work.
(sj, 1 December 2017 13:11)
sj,
Just because you've been in an airplane, it doesn't make you a pilot.
I am sure that they will take all your word play into consideration when the joint criminal enterprise is told to pay damages to Sarajevo.
And who will be paying those damages?
Tudjman from the grave? Or the state of Croatia?
Clearly the State of Croatia will pay because the legal representative of the state of Croatia was Tudjman. And Croatia must bear the burden of its legal representative who made decisions on its behalf.
Not only will the state pay, but it will raise taxes on its citizenry to do so.
As for Milosevic. He died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Milosevic).
As for Milosevic. He died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Milosevic).
(factman, 5 December 2017 01:59)
Sure, and as for Tudjman he died before his trial could be completed and therefore he was not proven guilty of the charges brought against him. According to Western law he is innocent (because all people are innocent until proven guilty -- even Tudjman)
Face it icj1, your beloved leaders were found to be guilty of the most horrendous crimes
(njegos, 4 December 2017 17:05)
My beloved leader Milosevic was found guilty?! When did that happen? Or is that another dream of yours that you experience because of your Serb-hating obsession!
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