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Tuesday, 10.10.2017.

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"It's not 1389 - Serbia and Turkey are now friends"

Serbia "feels Turkey as its friend - while we are friends of both Turkey and the Turkish people," President Aleksandar Vucic said on Tuesday.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:36)

this only exists in Albanian economics
(sj, 13 October 2017 13:46)

And it also exists in the World Bank economics. I wasn't aware that the World Bank uses Albanian economics, but if the CE of B92 forums sj says so, that must be the case :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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icj1

pre 7 godina

they don't know what they are saying or writing.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 October 2017 15:51)

That "they" (i.e. "Amnesty Yugoslavia") don't know what they are saying or writing is not a surprise at all lol

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

I never wrote about GDP
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:26)

I never said that I never wrote about GDP

(icj1, 11 October 2017 15:05)

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When it comes to GDP, icj1, the CB of B92, has convinced themselves and the rest of us they don't know what they are saying or writing.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

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sj

pre 7 godina

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:36)


No, this only exists in Albanian economics LOL.

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

SJ Moldova have a big diaspora to why they are more poor than Kosovo ? even Ukraine have diaspora Sj the Eu money in Romania gdp grow it represent 0,8% they analysed this in Romania if we would manage to get money from Eu as Hungary Croatia Poland it can grow at 1,5% from gdp grow .

(adi_bucharest,

Forget about the EU money. That carrot does not work any longer and that's why the 3 countries dare to bark at Brussels. Bulgaria will soon join them. Moldova is weak because of Voronin, Plahotnjuk and other sell outs. Besides it's a agricultural Slavic country that had always survived thanks to the mainland Russia.

PLEASE LEAVE ALONE THE GDP AND SALARIES !
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ?

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x - man

pre 7 godina

adi bucharest

Albania is not in EU.
Compare what Albania was in 90 and what is today?
And where are you with all the help you had.
Compare Romania with Germany, not Albania you are in EU.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

For the economists SJ and ICJ and the Croat Leonidas

I had read that article about Albania , but there is someting else that nobody say , in 1990s when Albania collapsed it had the gdp per capita only 200-300 dollars ! Romania and Bulgaria had gdp around 1000 dollars

One is 200-300 dollars another is 1000

I had meet some Albanians who have money , they sent their kids in West , that is someting unimaginable

Serbia have a very good distribution of income and a very good system for collect money at budget the only problem is it have low gdp per capita .

For example at gdp per capita $6000 for 2018 average pension from Serbia is over 200 euro , Croatia at gdp per capita $14000 for 2018 have average pension 300 euro . I gave this example because Croatia is good in indicators only at average salary

I think Romania have a chance to be strong if gdp per capita for 2018 is estimate $11800 it means in reality over $12000 ( Imf forecast for 2017 2018 gdp grow is wrong )

Albania have no chance

Croatia => it have a relative good gdp per capita but no developments

Serbia => everything is good in Serbia but the gdp is small

Romania => when Romania will have same gdp as Croatia from today about 2020 it will be much better than Croatia for ordinary people

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icj1

pre 7 godina

You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo
(sj, 11 October 2017 12:29)

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:43)

in modern calculations all income is taken into account and remittances are classified as income.
(sj, 12 October 2017 09:40)

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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sj

pre 7 godina

Sj , Kosovo is rich in natural resources it have even Lignite

Kosovo have same gdp per capita as Tunisia , and more big than Morocco

but they not develop they have 3600 dollars 2017 and 4500 estimate for 2022 , Serbia 2022 is estimate 8000 dollars
(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 15:12)

Whenever you want to move to Kosovo to experience that wealth in minerals and lignite let men know and I'll pay your removal costs from Bucharest to Pristina.

500,000 Albos no longer live in Kosovo and more leave each year but your telling me about the wealth there. Perhaps they have left Kosovo because they were bored with all that wealth.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Leonidas, your point is mute, in 2015 remittances were 697 mln and in 2016 753 mln euro, for a whopping increase of 0.08%. Whatever ancillary effect remittances might have on the GDP, Kosova's 4% increase of the GDP was not attributed to a sudden burst of remittances. Eurozone itself, where these remittances are sent from, at the same period of time had a growth of about 0.4-0.5%, so the theory doesn't hold water.
(Therret Prizreni

Since my point is mute here is a link below which takes you to a summary of a research done by someone on the effects of remittances on consumption and GDP with special case Albania.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14631379995940

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sj

pre 7 godina

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:43)

First of all this comment is not the work of our resident laughing stock. In Fact someone else wrote it LOL.

Maybe in Alboland remittances are not taken into account but in modern calculations all income is taken into account and remittances are classified as income. In fact even foreign aid is taken into account when it should not be. Perhaps you might enlighten us with your economic quals?, which grad school did you attend?

Now back to cleaning those lavatories and make sure they are sparkling.

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Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

@Leonidas, your point is mute, in 2015 remittances were 697 mln and in 2016 753 mln euro, for a whopping increase of 0.08%. Whatever ancillary effect remittances might have on the GDP, Kosova's 4% increase of the GDP was not attributed to a sudden burst of remittances. Eurozone itself, where these remittances are sent from, at the same period of time had a growth of about 0.4-0.5%, so the theory doesn't hold water.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).


(icj1,

The chief Albanian economist is in prime form today uploading his usual BS. I wonder how SJ finds the patience to communicate with him.So according to Albanian Einstein Consumption is a component of GDP but the effect of remittances on consumption and therefore GDP is non-existent.However, the Albanian Einstein is totally oblivious to contemporary views of economistsOn the link of remittances to GDP rates.Certainly, remittances do not go unnoticed in most of the countries that receive them. Typically, each migrant leaves several family members behind and supports them with a steady flow of remittances. Therefore, the fact that there are many millions of migrants globally implies that many more millions of people are directly affected by remittance flows. Because remittances are generally spent on consumption necessities—food, clothing, medicine, and shelter—they help lift huge numbers of people out of poverty by supporting a higher level of consumption than would otherwise be possible and promote economic activity..Given their effects on consumption, effects on short-term output from fluctuations in remittance flows are to be expected, and therefore GDP figures.
May i repeat my advice to you to stick to your colouring books.

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Ulqinak

pre 7 godina

Erdogan's gift has gotta be the most underhanded insult: Imagine Erdogan and his advisers sitting around discussing what gifts to bring to Vucic. All they could come up with were toys that you'd buy to a 10 year old nefew for his birthday party. The message is that Vucic still has some growing up to do to catch up with his uncle, Erdogan.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Sj , Kosovo is rich in natural resources it have even Lignite

Kosovo have same gdp per capita as Tunisia , and more big than Morocco

but they not develop they have 3600 dollars 2017 and 4500 estimate for 2022 , Serbia 2022 is estimate 8000 dollars

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

bravo ICJ you are smart , the best economist from this website

ICJ why Serbia gdp is so low comparing with Czech Republic and Slovakia with what they are better ? for me Serbia or Slovakia is the same

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icj1

pre 7 godina

You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo
(sj, 11 October 2017 12:29)

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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sj

pre 7 godina

(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 12:49)


Have you ever been to Kosovo? I have been to Romania, Moldavia and Kosovo and can tell you Kosovo is ten times worse than Moldavia. Romania receives funds from the EU and your roads and infrastructure are paid for out of the EU Fund. Sometimes a little information in the wrong hands is dangerous.

I have no idea why Moldavians or Ukrainians don’t send money back to their relatives. I am only telling you while Kosovo will have growth of 4%.

Stop reading statistics that you really don’t understand and take a good look around you. That is the best indicator in the world.

Unless Romania has an average wage of 2,000 to 3,000 Euros per month all else is BS. 6% growth while the EU in general will have 1.8% is total nonsense. Romania does not live in a bubble separate from the EU.

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Zoran

pre 7 godina

How quickly the world changes. It wasn't too long ago that Albanians were praising Erdogan. He was saying Kosovo is Turkey.

Allegiances have changed. Russia now owns the Middle East with Turkey looking towards Russia, not the US. When it comes to the Balkans, Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia and Slovenia all see Russia as our protector. Romania and BiH are divided and it seems only Croatia and Albania are opposed.

Russian influence will bring stability to the region and although I'm uncomfortable with Turkey, for the sake of stability, we must get along and I can see efforts now are being made. The games of division played by the west, the EU and US, have backfired. Serbia is on the rise. Good news.

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sj

pre 7 godina

BTW in new statistic is including data for Kosovo and they have gdp per capita $3600 more than Moldova , Ukraine and with only 50% less than Serbia LOL
(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 11:53)


You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo – it has nothing to do with production or export. Kosovo has no industry.

When talking about Romania’s growth at 6% first take out the money Romania receives from the EU Fund then calculate growth.

“Global GDP growth seems to be on a positive trajectory, but its quite modest and still short of historical averages. The OECD projection for World growth for 2017 is 3.5% up from 3%. US 2.1%, EU 1.8%, UK 1.8% and Japan 1.4%, China 6.6%, India 7.3%.”

Unless Romania is near Beijing or New Delhi 6% growth is a fanciful target.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

SJ .->

SJ i am not obseded with gdp grow , i even not understand why Slovakia and Czech Republic are so superior to Serbia as gdp , why Serbia can`t be as a Slovakia and Czech Republic but i see they not have big minimum salary or average salary or pensions or whatever

here in statistic is only Albania vs Kosovo 2017-2022 http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=35&pr.y=10&sy=2017&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=914%2C967&s=NGDP_RPCH%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

Kosovo economy is estimate to grow 3,5% year by year until 2022 and Albania 3,7% by 2022 Albania gdp 6000 dollars Kosovo 4300 dollars

SJ Moldova have a big diaspora to why they are more poor than Kosovo ? even Ukraine have diaspora

Sj the Eu money in Romania gdp grow it represent 0,8% they analysed this in Romania if we would manage to get money from Eu as Hungary Croatia Poland it can grow at 1,5% from gdp grow .

I am not obsedet with gdp , i only want all income for people to grow up .

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Skanderbeu you can`t do nothing because your country is poor

for Lenard we are the most big threat for West , from 1 january 2018 our minimum salary will be more exactly 435 euro , it will overtake Lithuania , Lativa , Hungary ,Croatia , Czech Republic , Slovakia ( if they keep 2016 level ) and then it will grow with 50 euro until including 2020 . If i lie with someting i won`t comment anymore here , all people know what i said and will see facts in january 2018

IMF always underestimate us in forecasts , and overestimate the pupepts as is Serbia

This week Liviu Dragnea make a new purge it change many from gouvern and tumorrow he decide if change the prime minister or not , they were again slow to implement the program

Dragnea was smart he said to West it keep even the minimum salary low until now and they not have time for destroy him until end of the year !

BTW in new statistic is including data for Kosovo and they have gdp per capita $3600 more than Moldova , Ukraine and with only 50% less than Serbia LOL

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sj

pre 7 godina

Head to toe combat equipment and training. Turks are in fore a very nasty surprise when they attack Kurdistan.
(Lenard, 10 October 2017 19:11)

Lenny, there is a very old saying that goes like this; if there were no dogs or Croats in the world who would do all the barking?

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sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

Why do you call us "shqiptars"?
Should i call you "subhuman" instead? Thats what your kind were referred to during the second world war. And guess why you little rat.........

And your beloved serbia is a smelly sh#thole with no future. All those investments that you love to mention so much will dissappear in corruption. Btw how does it feel to know that you lost Kosovo and will never get it back? It still hurts doesnt it? :)
(Rake, 10 October 2017 17:56) # Comment link

Deep down it hurts Rake )))), Especially by your message ,thank you for your emotional comment 😀
Your own allies by-passing you Shiptars and investing in SERBIA .

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Tope tope o papgallos

pre 7 godina

Osmane osmane osman aga
Jalla jalla jalla, hajde marrshallah

Ask little chubby Tadić how to sing it right.

Sssssss hopa !!

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Guest

pre 7 godina

Looking at these comments I thought I would never see Albanians condemning Turkey and the wannabe sultan Erdogan and Serbs praising Turkey and the old empire. Times are really changing, this guy has made it very clear that if it wasn’t for America and Russia he would resurrect the Ottoman Empire. No amount of trade and fake smiles can help heal almost 500 years of genocide, persecution, Turkification and enslavement on the Balkan and Caucasian people. Europeans need to rid themselves of the middle eastern vermin who want at all costs the subduction of Europe and its people.

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Bilbao

pre 7 godina

What on earth is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=WP-Nt6H7G84

I assume the fighters from 1389 are rolling in their graves....

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Drago the weight on their shoulders is by far greater. These criminals of isis killed two russian solders because they refused to convert to islam. There's no God Drago there's no God! Communists were right

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LOL

pre 7 godina

Croatia and Israel are working together setting a wonderful trap for the Godless evil wicked simpletons.
(Lenard, 10 October 2017 19:11)

Lenny, sometimes I really want to smoke what you're on. It must actually be fun to be this blissfully hallucinogenic day in and day out :)

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Finally after reading all the comments so far I have to say the photo's B92 present very friendship like and the theme we are past 1389 profoundly wish positive thinking of decent humanity ! How long will the battle in Kosovo of 1389 last , As you all can see it really never ended ! So with the USA, England and Hitler's fragmentation of Jugoslavija and Pandora's box now open, what will be the conclusion ? Lets us all just forget USA, England and Hitler and think about Russia, China, India and the Middle East - What do you all suppose that this escalation of hostilities and divisions of humanity in the Balkans is not so heavy on their shoulders as well ???

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

Like I've said before Turkey, Russia will form a evil alliance with the Arabs/Islam and eunuch Serbia. They will come against Israel they will be totally devastated raging inferno will come back on their country's. Croatia and Israel are working together setting a wonderful trap for the Godless evil wicked simpletons. Croatia is arming the Kurd's aka Kurdistan with Croatian VHS 2 http://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/assault/cr/1450507945.jpg assault rifles and world famous XD guns etc. Head to toe combat equipment and training. Turks are in fore a very nasty surprise when they attack Kurdistan.

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Lenard Russia has outspoken for Kurds' right national aspirations when me and you didnt even know that kurds existed. Russia was the only great power to insist kurds were involved in the syria talks. Refused from turkey and washington. you're no longer jugosllavija but croatia can and deserves to be a regional leader. focus on that, we are too small to have a voice in global affairs..

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Sasa P is a pathetic loser

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

And you dont think China is not investing millions in Albania right now?

You are kind of stupid ........

And whats up with the smiley faces? Are you 12 or something? Pathetic.....

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Rake

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

Why do you call us "shqiptars"?
Should i call you "subhuman" instead? Thats what your kind were referred to during the second world war. And guess why you little rat.........

And your beloved serbia is a smelly sh#thole with no future. All those investments that you love to mention so much will dissappear in corruption. Btw how does it feel to know that you lost Kosovo and will never get it back? It still hurts doesnt it? :)

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Adi I dont like IMF either as our ministers of economy can't do even a small fart or raise our salaries without their consent. But what we can do ?! We have some serious problems in albania and those problems are not reflected in those statistics but thank you from the heart for including my albania!

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

pparently referring to the year the Battle of Kosovo was fought - when Ottoman Turks started their centuries-long invasion and occupation of the medieval Serbian state - the president then said that "this is not 1389, as some think - this is 2017."

It's been several times that I asked everybody here to reveal any mediaeval document or an artefact proving that in 1389 there was the Boj yf Kosovo + 7 other battles. Please tell me what all those films, songs, legends are based on. Who can help me ?

Besides words had other meanings in the past and Serbs themseles could be called Turks. This Rus word TOR (moving forward), TOTITJ (make one's way) was often used for the cossack cavalery who had to be nomads to feed their horses. So were the Serbs who also controlled the Yanissay Corp and thus the entire Empire called VELIKOE GOSUDARSTVO, ROME, ASIA ect.

See how long Pasha Sokologlu (Sokolovic) ruled the world ! Find the Slovensky language (Serbian Church) the Constanopole High Court used. No any other languages were uused in 15-18 centuries

In 1389 it was one of the battles of the civil war (smuta) in the Great Horde. It was a religious war between the Early aka Pagan Christians and the Apostolic of Han Dmitry I aka sultan Murat I. Dmitry (MTR) and Murat (MRT) is the same name.

One last thing TURKS AND TURKISH LANGUAGE both appeared in 1923 ! Before that official language of the empire was OSMANI = mix of PERSIAN, ARAB + a bit of Slovenski (Serbian) and Greek.

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Abe

pre 7 godina

I agree with Vucic here. It is better to be friendly with other countries than to be enemies. But be careful with Turkey. You can't really trust Erdogan. He is always up to something.

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Betsy Lalich

pre 7 godina

How low is Serbia willing to go? Supporting terrorist nations and entities and bowing to culprits and corruption makes for dirty relations. Serb culture and history has been lost and demeaned by Serbs themselves. What a shameful display !

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Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

What's new?
Turks and Serbs together...as always.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 10 October 2017 13:11) #

Where do you think you came from Turk? Why don't you go visit over 6Mil Albanians who are probably your relatives living in Turkey. Albania fought together with the Turks during the Balkan wars and many others wars. Keep wearing that fez hat, it can't escape the Albanian identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Turkey

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

today international monetary fund released new forecast

our masrshall is upset on imf for put gdp grow only 5,5% for 2017 and only 4,4% for 2018

Romania 2017 gdp per capita 10400 with 24000

Romania 2018 gdp per capita 12000 with 25500


Serbia gdp grow forecast 3% 2017 and 3,5% 2018

Serbia 2017 gdp per capita $5500 with $15000

Serbia 2018 gdp per capita $6000 with $16000

3 at 1 Serbia not grow with 3% this year and that we grow with over 6%

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=15&pr.y=12&sy=2017&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=914%2C968%2C942&s=NGDP_RPCH%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

As always IMF underestimate us

Skanderbeu i put in statistic your Albania to

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Betsy Lalich

pre 7 godina

How low is Serbia willing to go? Supporting terrorist nations and entities and bowing to culprits and corruption makes for dirty relations. Serb culture and history has been lost and demeaned by Serbs themselves. What a shameful display !

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sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Who caressssss
(BLACK EAGLE, 10 October 2017 11:13)

You are right if it was a Russian or Chinese business .
But, we Serbs care when either of your allies Turkey or USA business want to invest to Serbia but not in Tirania or Pristina .
Slap on the face of Shiptars 😀))
Especially ,Serbia progressing with your Allies money that your people do not see😀))

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

Good chance to ask him about the history of the Balkans as Anatolia and Stanbul were the only part of the Great Horde that has never been seized by the Anglo-saxons and their Romanovs chain dogs. Also you can ask him why all Turkish leaders since Abdulla Gul insist that the Empire ended at the Chinese Wall, that they've built the first mosques in America (in Cuba = Qaaba) ect. Turkish archieves were adjusted to the Scaliger history but they still contain 1000s of document that can lighten history of at least 100 UNO members controlled by the Ottomans (Atamans) in Asia (land of the As) , Oceahia (Ak-e Hania) , Africa (Afri Can) and America (Amer-i Can). And by the way Serbs may ask him why "Hippo" in Serbian is "нилски коњ". Where is Nile and where is Serbia + ask him how come that the river is divides for WHITE=BELI NILE AND BLUE=SINI NILE just like the two biggest hordes of the Roman / Mongol empire.

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Abe

pre 7 godina

I agree with Vucic here. It is better to be friendly with other countries than to be enemies. But be careful with Turkey. You can't really trust Erdogan. He is always up to something.

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

Like I've said before Turkey, Russia will form a evil alliance with the Arabs/Islam and eunuch Serbia. They will come against Israel they will be totally devastated raging inferno will come back on their country's. Croatia and Israel are working together setting a wonderful trap for the Godless evil wicked simpletons. Croatia is arming the Kurd's aka Kurdistan with Croatian VHS 2 http://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/assault/cr/1450507945.jpg assault rifles and world famous XD guns etc. Head to toe combat equipment and training. Turks are in fore a very nasty surprise when they attack Kurdistan.

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Rake

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

Why do you call us "shqiptars"?
Should i call you "subhuman" instead? Thats what your kind were referred to during the second world war. And guess why you little rat.........

And your beloved serbia is a smelly sh#thole with no future. All those investments that you love to mention so much will dissappear in corruption. Btw how does it feel to know that you lost Kosovo and will never get it back? It still hurts doesnt it? :)

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Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

What's new?
Turks and Serbs together...as always.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 10 October 2017 13:11) #

Where do you think you came from Turk? Why don't you go visit over 6Mil Albanians who are probably your relatives living in Turkey. Albania fought together with the Turks during the Balkan wars and many others wars. Keep wearing that fez hat, it can't escape the Albanian identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Turkey

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LOL

pre 7 godina

Croatia and Israel are working together setting a wonderful trap for the Godless evil wicked simpletons.
(Lenard, 10 October 2017 19:11)

Lenny, sometimes I really want to smoke what you're on. It must actually be fun to be this blissfully hallucinogenic day in and day out :)

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Sasa P is a pathetic loser

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

And you dont think China is not investing millions in Albania right now?

You are kind of stupid ........

And whats up with the smiley faces? Are you 12 or something? Pathetic.....

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sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Who caressssss
(BLACK EAGLE, 10 October 2017 11:13)

You are right if it was a Russian or Chinese business .
But, we Serbs care when either of your allies Turkey or USA business want to invest to Serbia but not in Tirania or Pristina .
Slap on the face of Shiptars 😀))
Especially ,Serbia progressing with your Allies money that your people do not see😀))

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Betsy Lalich

pre 7 godina

How low is Serbia willing to go? Supporting terrorist nations and entities and bowing to culprits and corruption makes for dirty relations. Serb culture and history has been lost and demeaned by Serbs themselves. What a shameful display !

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Betsy Lalich

pre 7 godina

How low is Serbia willing to go? Supporting terrorist nations and entities and bowing to culprits and corruption makes for dirty relations. Serb culture and history has been lost and demeaned by Serbs themselves. What a shameful display !

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Guest

pre 7 godina

Looking at these comments I thought I would never see Albanians condemning Turkey and the wannabe sultan Erdogan and Serbs praising Turkey and the old empire. Times are really changing, this guy has made it very clear that if it wasn’t for America and Russia he would resurrect the Ottoman Empire. No amount of trade and fake smiles can help heal almost 500 years of genocide, persecution, Turkification and enslavement on the Balkan and Caucasian people. Europeans need to rid themselves of the middle eastern vermin who want at all costs the subduction of Europe and its people.

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).


(icj1,

The chief Albanian economist is in prime form today uploading his usual BS. I wonder how SJ finds the patience to communicate with him.So according to Albanian Einstein Consumption is a component of GDP but the effect of remittances on consumption and therefore GDP is non-existent.However, the Albanian Einstein is totally oblivious to contemporary views of economistsOn the link of remittances to GDP rates.Certainly, remittances do not go unnoticed in most of the countries that receive them. Typically, each migrant leaves several family members behind and supports them with a steady flow of remittances. Therefore, the fact that there are many millions of migrants globally implies that many more millions of people are directly affected by remittance flows. Because remittances are generally spent on consumption necessities—food, clothing, medicine, and shelter—they help lift huge numbers of people out of poverty by supporting a higher level of consumption than would otherwise be possible and promote economic activity..Given their effects on consumption, effects on short-term output from fluctuations in remittance flows are to be expected, and therefore GDP figures.
May i repeat my advice to you to stick to your colouring books.

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sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

Why do you call us "shqiptars"?
Should i call you "subhuman" instead? Thats what your kind were referred to during the second world war. And guess why you little rat.........

And your beloved serbia is a smelly sh#thole with no future. All those investments that you love to mention so much will dissappear in corruption. Btw how does it feel to know that you lost Kosovo and will never get it back? It still hurts doesnt it? :)
(Rake, 10 October 2017 17:56) # Comment link

Deep down it hurts Rake )))), Especially by your message ,thank you for your emotional comment 😀
Your own allies by-passing you Shiptars and investing in SERBIA .

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

Good chance to ask him about the history of the Balkans as Anatolia and Stanbul were the only part of the Great Horde that has never been seized by the Anglo-saxons and their Romanovs chain dogs. Also you can ask him why all Turkish leaders since Abdulla Gul insist that the Empire ended at the Chinese Wall, that they've built the first mosques in America (in Cuba = Qaaba) ect. Turkish archieves were adjusted to the Scaliger history but they still contain 1000s of document that can lighten history of at least 100 UNO members controlled by the Ottomans (Atamans) in Asia (land of the As) , Oceahia (Ak-e Hania) , Africa (Afri Can) and America (Amer-i Can). And by the way Serbs may ask him why "Hippo" in Serbian is "нилски коњ". Where is Nile and where is Serbia + ask him how come that the river is divides for WHITE=BELI NILE AND BLUE=SINI NILE just like the two biggest hordes of the Roman / Mongol empire.

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Finally after reading all the comments so far I have to say the photo's B92 present very friendship like and the theme we are past 1389 profoundly wish positive thinking of decent humanity ! How long will the battle in Kosovo of 1389 last , As you all can see it really never ended ! So with the USA, England and Hitler's fragmentation of Jugoslavija and Pandora's box now open, what will be the conclusion ? Lets us all just forget USA, England and Hitler and think about Russia, China, India and the Middle East - What do you all suppose that this escalation of hostilities and divisions of humanity in the Balkans is not so heavy on their shoulders as well ???

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Zoran

pre 7 godina

How quickly the world changes. It wasn't too long ago that Albanians were praising Erdogan. He was saying Kosovo is Turkey.

Allegiances have changed. Russia now owns the Middle East with Turkey looking towards Russia, not the US. When it comes to the Balkans, Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia and Slovenia all see Russia as our protector. Romania and BiH are divided and it seems only Croatia and Albania are opposed.

Russian influence will bring stability to the region and although I'm uncomfortable with Turkey, for the sake of stability, we must get along and I can see efforts now are being made. The games of division played by the west, the EU and US, have backfired. Serbia is on the rise. Good news.

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sj

pre 7 godina

BTW in new statistic is including data for Kosovo and they have gdp per capita $3600 more than Moldova , Ukraine and with only 50% less than Serbia LOL
(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 11:53)


You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo – it has nothing to do with production or export. Kosovo has no industry.

When talking about Romania’s growth at 6% first take out the money Romania receives from the EU Fund then calculate growth.

“Global GDP growth seems to be on a positive trajectory, but its quite modest and still short of historical averages. The OECD projection for World growth for 2017 is 3.5% up from 3%. US 2.1%, EU 1.8%, UK 1.8% and Japan 1.4%, China 6.6%, India 7.3%.”

Unless Romania is near Beijing or New Delhi 6% growth is a fanciful target.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

SJ .->

SJ i am not obseded with gdp grow , i even not understand why Slovakia and Czech Republic are so superior to Serbia as gdp , why Serbia can`t be as a Slovakia and Czech Republic but i see they not have big minimum salary or average salary or pensions or whatever

here in statistic is only Albania vs Kosovo 2017-2022 http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=35&pr.y=10&sy=2017&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=914%2C967&s=NGDP_RPCH%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

Kosovo economy is estimate to grow 3,5% year by year until 2022 and Albania 3,7% by 2022 Albania gdp 6000 dollars Kosovo 4300 dollars

SJ Moldova have a big diaspora to why they are more poor than Kosovo ? even Ukraine have diaspora

Sj the Eu money in Romania gdp grow it represent 0,8% they analysed this in Romania if we would manage to get money from Eu as Hungary Croatia Poland it can grow at 1,5% from gdp grow .

I am not obsedet with gdp , i only want all income for people to grow up .

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sj

pre 7 godina

(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 12:49)


Have you ever been to Kosovo? I have been to Romania, Moldavia and Kosovo and can tell you Kosovo is ten times worse than Moldavia. Romania receives funds from the EU and your roads and infrastructure are paid for out of the EU Fund. Sometimes a little information in the wrong hands is dangerous.

I have no idea why Moldavians or Ukrainians don’t send money back to their relatives. I am only telling you while Kosovo will have growth of 4%.

Stop reading statistics that you really don’t understand and take a good look around you. That is the best indicator in the world.

Unless Romania has an average wage of 2,000 to 3,000 Euros per month all else is BS. 6% growth while the EU in general will have 1.8% is total nonsense. Romania does not live in a bubble separate from the EU.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo
(sj, 11 October 2017 12:29)

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Adi I dont like IMF either as our ministers of economy can't do even a small fart or raise our salaries without their consent. But what we can do ?! We have some serious problems in albania and those problems are not reflected in those statistics but thank you from the heart for including my albania!

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Lenard Russia has outspoken for Kurds' right national aspirations when me and you didnt even know that kurds existed. Russia was the only great power to insist kurds were involved in the syria talks. Refused from turkey and washington. you're no longer jugosllavija but croatia can and deserves to be a regional leader. focus on that, we are too small to have a voice in global affairs..

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Bilbao

pre 7 godina

What on earth is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=WP-Nt6H7G84

I assume the fighters from 1389 are rolling in their graves....

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Tope tope o papgallos

pre 7 godina

Osmane osmane osman aga
Jalla jalla jalla, hajde marrshallah

Ask little chubby Tadić how to sing it right.

Sssssss hopa !!

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sj

pre 7 godina

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:43)

First of all this comment is not the work of our resident laughing stock. In Fact someone else wrote it LOL.

Maybe in Alboland remittances are not taken into account but in modern calculations all income is taken into account and remittances are classified as income. In fact even foreign aid is taken into account when it should not be. Perhaps you might enlighten us with your economic quals?, which grad school did you attend?

Now back to cleaning those lavatories and make sure they are sparkling.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

I never wrote about GDP
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:26)

I never said that I never wrote about GDP

(icj1, 11 October 2017 15:05)

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When it comes to GDP, icj1, the CB of B92, has convinced themselves and the rest of us they don't know what they are saying or writing.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

today international monetary fund released new forecast

our masrshall is upset on imf for put gdp grow only 5,5% for 2017 and only 4,4% for 2018

Romania 2017 gdp per capita 10400 with 24000

Romania 2018 gdp per capita 12000 with 25500


Serbia gdp grow forecast 3% 2017 and 3,5% 2018

Serbia 2017 gdp per capita $5500 with $15000

Serbia 2018 gdp per capita $6000 with $16000

3 at 1 Serbia not grow with 3% this year and that we grow with over 6%

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=15&pr.y=12&sy=2017&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=914%2C968%2C942&s=NGDP_RPCH%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

As always IMF underestimate us

Skanderbeu i put in statistic your Albania to

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

pparently referring to the year the Battle of Kosovo was fought - when Ottoman Turks started their centuries-long invasion and occupation of the medieval Serbian state - the president then said that "this is not 1389, as some think - this is 2017."

It's been several times that I asked everybody here to reveal any mediaeval document or an artefact proving that in 1389 there was the Boj yf Kosovo + 7 other battles. Please tell me what all those films, songs, legends are based on. Who can help me ?

Besides words had other meanings in the past and Serbs themseles could be called Turks. This Rus word TOR (moving forward), TOTITJ (make one's way) was often used for the cossack cavalery who had to be nomads to feed their horses. So were the Serbs who also controlled the Yanissay Corp and thus the entire Empire called VELIKOE GOSUDARSTVO, ROME, ASIA ect.

See how long Pasha Sokologlu (Sokolovic) ruled the world ! Find the Slovensky language (Serbian Church) the Constanopole High Court used. No any other languages were uused in 15-18 centuries

In 1389 it was one of the battles of the civil war (smuta) in the Great Horde. It was a religious war between the Early aka Pagan Christians and the Apostolic of Han Dmitry I aka sultan Murat I. Dmitry (MTR) and Murat (MRT) is the same name.

One last thing TURKS AND TURKISH LANGUAGE both appeared in 1923 ! Before that official language of the empire was OSMANI = mix of PERSIAN, ARAB + a bit of Slovenski (Serbian) and Greek.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Skanderbeu you can`t do nothing because your country is poor

for Lenard we are the most big threat for West , from 1 january 2018 our minimum salary will be more exactly 435 euro , it will overtake Lithuania , Lativa , Hungary ,Croatia , Czech Republic , Slovakia ( if they keep 2016 level ) and then it will grow with 50 euro until including 2020 . If i lie with someting i won`t comment anymore here , all people know what i said and will see facts in january 2018

IMF always underestimate us in forecasts , and overestimate the pupepts as is Serbia

This week Liviu Dragnea make a new purge it change many from gouvern and tumorrow he decide if change the prime minister or not , they were again slow to implement the program

Dragnea was smart he said to West it keep even the minimum salary low until now and they not have time for destroy him until end of the year !

BTW in new statistic is including data for Kosovo and they have gdp per capita $3600 more than Moldova , Ukraine and with only 50% less than Serbia LOL

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Leonidas, your point is mute, in 2015 remittances were 697 mln and in 2016 753 mln euro, for a whopping increase of 0.08%. Whatever ancillary effect remittances might have on the GDP, Kosova's 4% increase of the GDP was not attributed to a sudden burst of remittances. Eurozone itself, where these remittances are sent from, at the same period of time had a growth of about 0.4-0.5%, so the theory doesn't hold water.
(Therret Prizreni

Since my point is mute here is a link below which takes you to a summary of a research done by someone on the effects of remittances on consumption and GDP with special case Albania.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14631379995940

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sj

pre 7 godina

Head to toe combat equipment and training. Turks are in fore a very nasty surprise when they attack Kurdistan.
(Lenard, 10 October 2017 19:11)

Lenny, there is a very old saying that goes like this; if there were no dogs or Croats in the world who would do all the barking?

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

bravo ICJ you are smart , the best economist from this website

ICJ why Serbia gdp is so low comparing with Czech Republic and Slovakia with what they are better ? for me Serbia or Slovakia is the same

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Ulqinak

pre 7 godina

Erdogan's gift has gotta be the most underhanded insult: Imagine Erdogan and his advisers sitting around discussing what gifts to bring to Vucic. All they could come up with were toys that you'd buy to a 10 year old nefew for his birthday party. The message is that Vucic still has some growing up to do to catch up with his uncle, Erdogan.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Sj , Kosovo is rich in natural resources it have even Lignite

Kosovo have same gdp per capita as Tunisia , and more big than Morocco

but they not develop they have 3600 dollars 2017 and 4500 estimate for 2022 , Serbia 2022 is estimate 8000 dollars
(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 15:12)

Whenever you want to move to Kosovo to experience that wealth in minerals and lignite let men know and I'll pay your removal costs from Bucharest to Pristina.

500,000 Albos no longer live in Kosovo and more leave each year but your telling me about the wealth there. Perhaps they have left Kosovo because they were bored with all that wealth.

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x - man

pre 7 godina

adi bucharest

Albania is not in EU.
Compare what Albania was in 90 and what is today?
And where are you with all the help you had.
Compare Romania with Germany, not Albania you are in EU.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Sj , Kosovo is rich in natural resources it have even Lignite

Kosovo have same gdp per capita as Tunisia , and more big than Morocco

but they not develop they have 3600 dollars 2017 and 4500 estimate for 2022 , Serbia 2022 is estimate 8000 dollars

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Drago the weight on their shoulders is by far greater. These criminals of isis killed two russian solders because they refused to convert to islam. There's no God Drago there's no God! Communists were right

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

SJ Moldova have a big diaspora to why they are more poor than Kosovo ? even Ukraine have diaspora Sj the Eu money in Romania gdp grow it represent 0,8% they analysed this in Romania if we would manage to get money from Eu as Hungary Croatia Poland it can grow at 1,5% from gdp grow .

(adi_bucharest,

Forget about the EU money. That carrot does not work any longer and that's why the 3 countries dare to bark at Brussels. Bulgaria will soon join them. Moldova is weak because of Voronin, Plahotnjuk and other sell outs. Besides it's a agricultural Slavic country that had always survived thanks to the mainland Russia.

PLEASE LEAVE ALONE THE GDP AND SALARIES !
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ?

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sj

pre 7 godina

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:36)


No, this only exists in Albanian economics LOL.

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Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

@Leonidas, your point is mute, in 2015 remittances were 697 mln and in 2016 753 mln euro, for a whopping increase of 0.08%. Whatever ancillary effect remittances might have on the GDP, Kosova's 4% increase of the GDP was not attributed to a sudden burst of remittances. Eurozone itself, where these remittances are sent from, at the same period of time had a growth of about 0.4-0.5%, so the theory doesn't hold water.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo
(sj, 11 October 2017 12:29)

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:43)

in modern calculations all income is taken into account and remittances are classified as income.
(sj, 12 October 2017 09:40)

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

For the economists SJ and ICJ and the Croat Leonidas

I had read that article about Albania , but there is someting else that nobody say , in 1990s when Albania collapsed it had the gdp per capita only 200-300 dollars ! Romania and Bulgaria had gdp around 1000 dollars

One is 200-300 dollars another is 1000

I had meet some Albanians who have money , they sent their kids in West , that is someting unimaginable

Serbia have a very good distribution of income and a very good system for collect money at budget the only problem is it have low gdp per capita .

For example at gdp per capita $6000 for 2018 average pension from Serbia is over 200 euro , Croatia at gdp per capita $14000 for 2018 have average pension 300 euro . I gave this example because Croatia is good in indicators only at average salary

I think Romania have a chance to be strong if gdp per capita for 2018 is estimate $11800 it means in reality over $12000 ( Imf forecast for 2017 2018 gdp grow is wrong )

Albania have no chance

Croatia => it have a relative good gdp per capita but no developments

Serbia => everything is good in Serbia but the gdp is small

Romania => when Romania will have same gdp as Croatia from today about 2020 it will be much better than Croatia for ordinary people

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icj1

pre 7 godina

they don't know what they are saying or writing.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 October 2017 15:51)

That "they" (i.e. "Amnesty Yugoslavia") don't know what they are saying or writing is not a surprise at all lol

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:36)

this only exists in Albanian economics
(sj, 13 October 2017 13:46)

And it also exists in the World Bank economics. I wasn't aware that the World Bank uses Albanian economics, but if the CE of B92 forums sj says so, that must be the case :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Who caressssss
(BLACK EAGLE, 10 October 2017 11:13)

You are right if it was a Russian or Chinese business .
But, we Serbs care when either of your allies Turkey or USA business want to invest to Serbia but not in Tirania or Pristina .
Slap on the face of Shiptars 😀))
Especially ,Serbia progressing with your Allies money that your people do not see😀))

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Rake

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

Why do you call us "shqiptars"?
Should i call you "subhuman" instead? Thats what your kind were referred to during the second world war. And guess why you little rat.........

And your beloved serbia is a smelly sh#thole with no future. All those investments that you love to mention so much will dissappear in corruption. Btw how does it feel to know that you lost Kosovo and will never get it back? It still hurts doesnt it? :)

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LOL

pre 7 godina

Croatia and Israel are working together setting a wonderful trap for the Godless evil wicked simpletons.
(Lenard, 10 October 2017 19:11)

Lenny, sometimes I really want to smoke what you're on. It must actually be fun to be this blissfully hallucinogenic day in and day out :)

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

Good chance to ask him about the history of the Balkans as Anatolia and Stanbul were the only part of the Great Horde that has never been seized by the Anglo-saxons and their Romanovs chain dogs. Also you can ask him why all Turkish leaders since Abdulla Gul insist that the Empire ended at the Chinese Wall, that they've built the first mosques in America (in Cuba = Qaaba) ect. Turkish archieves were adjusted to the Scaliger history but they still contain 1000s of document that can lighten history of at least 100 UNO members controlled by the Ottomans (Atamans) in Asia (land of the As) , Oceahia (Ak-e Hania) , Africa (Afri Can) and America (Amer-i Can). And by the way Serbs may ask him why "Hippo" in Serbian is "нилски коњ". Where is Nile and where is Serbia + ask him how come that the river is divides for WHITE=BELI NILE AND BLUE=SINI NILE just like the two biggest hordes of the Roman / Mongol empire.

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Jugoslavija

pre 7 godina

What's new?
Turks and Serbs together...as always.
(Teodor Muzaka 1389, 10 October 2017 13:11) #

Where do you think you came from Turk? Why don't you go visit over 6Mil Albanians who are probably your relatives living in Turkey. Albania fought together with the Turks during the Balkan wars and many others wars. Keep wearing that fez hat, it can't escape the Albanian identity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Turkey

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

pparently referring to the year the Battle of Kosovo was fought - when Ottoman Turks started their centuries-long invasion and occupation of the medieval Serbian state - the president then said that "this is not 1389, as some think - this is 2017."

It's been several times that I asked everybody here to reveal any mediaeval document or an artefact proving that in 1389 there was the Boj yf Kosovo + 7 other battles. Please tell me what all those films, songs, legends are based on. Who can help me ?

Besides words had other meanings in the past and Serbs themseles could be called Turks. This Rus word TOR (moving forward), TOTITJ (make one's way) was often used for the cossack cavalery who had to be nomads to feed their horses. So were the Serbs who also controlled the Yanissay Corp and thus the entire Empire called VELIKOE GOSUDARSTVO, ROME, ASIA ect.

See how long Pasha Sokologlu (Sokolovic) ruled the world ! Find the Slovensky language (Serbian Church) the Constanopole High Court used. No any other languages were uused in 15-18 centuries

In 1389 it was one of the battles of the civil war (smuta) in the Great Horde. It was a religious war between the Early aka Pagan Christians and the Apostolic of Han Dmitry I aka sultan Murat I. Dmitry (MTR) and Murat (MRT) is the same name.

One last thing TURKS AND TURKISH LANGUAGE both appeared in 1923 ! Before that official language of the empire was OSMANI = mix of PERSIAN, ARAB + a bit of Slovenski (Serbian) and Greek.

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Dragoljub Djurkovic

pre 7 godina

Finally after reading all the comments so far I have to say the photo's B92 present very friendship like and the theme we are past 1389 profoundly wish positive thinking of decent humanity ! How long will the battle in Kosovo of 1389 last , As you all can see it really never ended ! So with the USA, England and Hitler's fragmentation of Jugoslavija and Pandora's box now open, what will be the conclusion ? Lets us all just forget USA, England and Hitler and think about Russia, China, India and the Middle East - What do you all suppose that this escalation of hostilities and divisions of humanity in the Balkans is not so heavy on their shoulders as well ???

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

today international monetary fund released new forecast

our masrshall is upset on imf for put gdp grow only 5,5% for 2017 and only 4,4% for 2018

Romania 2017 gdp per capita 10400 with 24000

Romania 2018 gdp per capita 12000 with 25500


Serbia gdp grow forecast 3% 2017 and 3,5% 2018

Serbia 2017 gdp per capita $5500 with $15000

Serbia 2018 gdp per capita $6000 with $16000

3 at 1 Serbia not grow with 3% this year and that we grow with over 6%

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=15&pr.y=12&sy=2017&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=914%2C968%2C942&s=NGDP_RPCH%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

As always IMF underestimate us

Skanderbeu i put in statistic your Albania to

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sasa.p from near Jagodina, Serbia

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

Why do you call us "shqiptars"?
Should i call you "subhuman" instead? Thats what your kind were referred to during the second world war. And guess why you little rat.........

And your beloved serbia is a smelly sh#thole with no future. All those investments that you love to mention so much will dissappear in corruption. Btw how does it feel to know that you lost Kosovo and will never get it back? It still hurts doesnt it? :)
(Rake, 10 October 2017 17:56) # Comment link

Deep down it hurts Rake )))), Especially by your message ,thank you for your emotional comment 😀
Your own allies by-passing you Shiptars and investing in SERBIA .

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Sasa P is a pathetic loser

pre 7 godina

Sasa P

And you dont think China is not investing millions in Albania right now?

You are kind of stupid ........

And whats up with the smiley faces? Are you 12 or something? Pathetic.....

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Lenard

pre 7 godina

Like I've said before Turkey, Russia will form a evil alliance with the Arabs/Islam and eunuch Serbia. They will come against Israel they will be totally devastated raging inferno will come back on their country's. Croatia and Israel are working together setting a wonderful trap for the Godless evil wicked simpletons. Croatia is arming the Kurd's aka Kurdistan with Croatian VHS 2 http://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/assault/cr/1450507945.jpg assault rifles and world famous XD guns etc. Head to toe combat equipment and training. Turks are in fore a very nasty surprise when they attack Kurdistan.

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Lenard Russia has outspoken for Kurds' right national aspirations when me and you didnt even know that kurds existed. Russia was the only great power to insist kurds were involved in the syria talks. Refused from turkey and washington. you're no longer jugosllavija but croatia can and deserves to be a regional leader. focus on that, we are too small to have a voice in global affairs..

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sj

pre 7 godina

Head to toe combat equipment and training. Turks are in fore a very nasty surprise when they attack Kurdistan.
(Lenard, 10 October 2017 19:11)

Lenny, there is a very old saying that goes like this; if there were no dogs or Croats in the world who would do all the barking?

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Betsy Lalich

pre 7 godina

How low is Serbia willing to go? Supporting terrorist nations and entities and bowing to culprits and corruption makes for dirty relations. Serb culture and history has been lost and demeaned by Serbs themselves. What a shameful display !

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Betsy Lalich

pre 7 godina

How low is Serbia willing to go? Supporting terrorist nations and entities and bowing to culprits and corruption makes for dirty relations. Serb culture and history has been lost and demeaned by Serbs themselves. What a shameful display !

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Zoran

pre 7 godina

How quickly the world changes. It wasn't too long ago that Albanians were praising Erdogan. He was saying Kosovo is Turkey.

Allegiances have changed. Russia now owns the Middle East with Turkey looking towards Russia, not the US. When it comes to the Balkans, Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia and Slovenia all see Russia as our protector. Romania and BiH are divided and it seems only Croatia and Albania are opposed.

Russian influence will bring stability to the region and although I'm uncomfortable with Turkey, for the sake of stability, we must get along and I can see efforts now are being made. The games of division played by the west, the EU and US, have backfired. Serbia is on the rise. Good news.

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Abe

pre 7 godina

I agree with Vucic here. It is better to be friendly with other countries than to be enemies. But be careful with Turkey. You can't really trust Erdogan. He is always up to something.

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

@ Adi I dont like IMF either as our ministers of economy can't do even a small fart or raise our salaries without their consent. But what we can do ?! We have some serious problems in albania and those problems are not reflected in those statistics but thank you from the heart for including my albania!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo
(sj, 11 October 2017 12:29)

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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Skenderbeu 1444

pre 7 godina

Drago the weight on their shoulders is by far greater. These criminals of isis killed two russian solders because they refused to convert to islam. There's no God Drago there's no God! Communists were right

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sj

pre 7 godina

BTW in new statistic is including data for Kosovo and they have gdp per capita $3600 more than Moldova , Ukraine and with only 50% less than Serbia LOL
(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 11:53)


You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo – it has nothing to do with production or export. Kosovo has no industry.

When talking about Romania’s growth at 6% first take out the money Romania receives from the EU Fund then calculate growth.

“Global GDP growth seems to be on a positive trajectory, but its quite modest and still short of historical averages. The OECD projection for World growth for 2017 is 3.5% up from 3%. US 2.1%, EU 1.8%, UK 1.8% and Japan 1.4%, China 6.6%, India 7.3%.”

Unless Romania is near Beijing or New Delhi 6% growth is a fanciful target.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

bravo ICJ you are smart , the best economist from this website

ICJ why Serbia gdp is so low comparing with Czech Republic and Slovakia with what they are better ? for me Serbia or Slovakia is the same

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Sj , Kosovo is rich in natural resources it have even Lignite

Kosovo have same gdp per capita as Tunisia , and more big than Morocco

but they not develop they have 3600 dollars 2017 and 4500 estimate for 2022 , Serbia 2022 is estimate 8000 dollars

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).


(icj1,

The chief Albanian economist is in prime form today uploading his usual BS. I wonder how SJ finds the patience to communicate with him.So according to Albanian Einstein Consumption is a component of GDP but the effect of remittances on consumption and therefore GDP is non-existent.However, the Albanian Einstein is totally oblivious to contemporary views of economistsOn the link of remittances to GDP rates.Certainly, remittances do not go unnoticed in most of the countries that receive them. Typically, each migrant leaves several family members behind and supports them with a steady flow of remittances. Therefore, the fact that there are many millions of migrants globally implies that many more millions of people are directly affected by remittance flows. Because remittances are generally spent on consumption necessities—food, clothing, medicine, and shelter—they help lift huge numbers of people out of poverty by supporting a higher level of consumption than would otherwise be possible and promote economic activity..Given their effects on consumption, effects on short-term output from fluctuations in remittance flows are to be expected, and therefore GDP figures.
May i repeat my advice to you to stick to your colouring books.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

For the economists SJ and ICJ and the Croat Leonidas

I had read that article about Albania , but there is someting else that nobody say , in 1990s when Albania collapsed it had the gdp per capita only 200-300 dollars ! Romania and Bulgaria had gdp around 1000 dollars

One is 200-300 dollars another is 1000

I had meet some Albanians who have money , they sent their kids in West , that is someting unimaginable

Serbia have a very good distribution of income and a very good system for collect money at budget the only problem is it have low gdp per capita .

For example at gdp per capita $6000 for 2018 average pension from Serbia is over 200 euro , Croatia at gdp per capita $14000 for 2018 have average pension 300 euro . I gave this example because Croatia is good in indicators only at average salary

I think Romania have a chance to be strong if gdp per capita for 2018 is estimate $11800 it means in reality over $12000 ( Imf forecast for 2017 2018 gdp grow is wrong )

Albania have no chance

Croatia => it have a relative good gdp per capita but no developments

Serbia => everything is good in Serbia but the gdp is small

Romania => when Romania will have same gdp as Croatia from today about 2020 it will be much better than Croatia for ordinary people

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

Skanderbeu you can`t do nothing because your country is poor

for Lenard we are the most big threat for West , from 1 january 2018 our minimum salary will be more exactly 435 euro , it will overtake Lithuania , Lativa , Hungary ,Croatia , Czech Republic , Slovakia ( if they keep 2016 level ) and then it will grow with 50 euro until including 2020 . If i lie with someting i won`t comment anymore here , all people know what i said and will see facts in january 2018

IMF always underestimate us in forecasts , and overestimate the pupepts as is Serbia

This week Liviu Dragnea make a new purge it change many from gouvern and tumorrow he decide if change the prime minister or not , they were again slow to implement the program

Dragnea was smart he said to West it keep even the minimum salary low until now and they not have time for destroy him until end of the year !

BTW in new statistic is including data for Kosovo and they have gdp per capita $3600 more than Moldova , Ukraine and with only 50% less than Serbia LOL

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sj

pre 7 godina

(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 12:49)


Have you ever been to Kosovo? I have been to Romania, Moldavia and Kosovo and can tell you Kosovo is ten times worse than Moldavia. Romania receives funds from the EU and your roads and infrastructure are paid for out of the EU Fund. Sometimes a little information in the wrong hands is dangerous.

I have no idea why Moldavians or Ukrainians don’t send money back to their relatives. I am only telling you while Kosovo will have growth of 4%.

Stop reading statistics that you really don’t understand and take a good look around you. That is the best indicator in the world.

Unless Romania has an average wage of 2,000 to 3,000 Euros per month all else is BS. 6% growth while the EU in general will have 1.8% is total nonsense. Romania does not live in a bubble separate from the EU.

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Therret Prizreni

pre 7 godina

@Leonidas, your point is mute, in 2015 remittances were 697 mln and in 2016 753 mln euro, for a whopping increase of 0.08%. Whatever ancillary effect remittances might have on the GDP, Kosova's 4% increase of the GDP was not attributed to a sudden burst of remittances. Eurozone itself, where these remittances are sent from, at the same period of time had a growth of about 0.4-0.5%, so the theory doesn't hold water.

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Ulqinak

pre 7 godina

Erdogan's gift has gotta be the most underhanded insult: Imagine Erdogan and his advisers sitting around discussing what gifts to bring to Vucic. All they could come up with were toys that you'd buy to a 10 year old nefew for his birthday party. The message is that Vucic still has some growing up to do to catch up with his uncle, Erdogan.

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x - man

pre 7 godina

adi bucharest

Albania is not in EU.
Compare what Albania was in 90 and what is today?
And where are you with all the help you had.
Compare Romania with Germany, not Albania you are in EU.

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sj

pre 7 godina

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:43)

First of all this comment is not the work of our resident laughing stock. In Fact someone else wrote it LOL.

Maybe in Alboland remittances are not taken into account but in modern calculations all income is taken into account and remittances are classified as income. In fact even foreign aid is taken into account when it should not be. Perhaps you might enlighten us with your economic quals?, which grad school did you attend?

Now back to cleaning those lavatories and make sure they are sparkling.

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sj

pre 7 godina

Sj , Kosovo is rich in natural resources it have even Lignite

Kosovo have same gdp per capita as Tunisia , and more big than Morocco

but they not develop they have 3600 dollars 2017 and 4500 estimate for 2022 , Serbia 2022 is estimate 8000 dollars
(adi_bucharest, 11 October 2017 15:12)

Whenever you want to move to Kosovo to experience that wealth in minerals and lignite let men know and I'll pay your removal costs from Bucharest to Pristina.

500,000 Albos no longer live in Kosovo and more leave each year but your telling me about the wealth there. Perhaps they have left Kosovo because they were bored with all that wealth.

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icj1

pre 7 godina

You are obsessed with GDP/growth and need to stop looking at these statistics mate. Most are BS. For example Kosovo’s growth for 2017 is 4%. What does that mean? It means when calculating growth for Kosovo they take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives in Kosovo
(sj, 11 October 2017 12:29)

That just shows that you are totally clueless about how GDP is calculated, like most of the other BS your write. GDP calculations do not take into account the amount of money family members send back to their relatives. GDP is calculated as Consumption + Investments + Government Spending + Net Exports and it does not include transfers (like remittances).

Is sounds like the CE of B92 forums sj needs to still learn basic economics lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 11 October 2017 14:43)

in modern calculations all income is taken into account and remittances are classified as income.
(sj, 12 October 2017 09:40)

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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Tope tope o papgallos

pre 7 godina

Osmane osmane osman aga
Jalla jalla jalla, hajde marrshallah

Ask little chubby Tadić how to sing it right.

Sssssss hopa !!

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icj1

pre 7 godina

they don't know what they are saying or writing.
(Amnesty Yugoslavia, 14 October 2017 15:51)

That "they" (i.e. "Amnesty Yugoslavia") don't know what they are saying or writing is not a surprise at all lol

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Guest

pre 7 godina

Looking at these comments I thought I would never see Albanians condemning Turkey and the wannabe sultan Erdogan and Serbs praising Turkey and the old empire. Times are really changing, this guy has made it very clear that if it wasn’t for America and Russia he would resurrect the Ottoman Empire. No amount of trade and fake smiles can help heal almost 500 years of genocide, persecution, Turkification and enslavement on the Balkan and Caucasian people. Europeans need to rid themselves of the middle eastern vermin who want at all costs the subduction of Europe and its people.

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adi_bucharest

pre 7 godina

SJ .->

SJ i am not obseded with gdp grow , i even not understand why Slovakia and Czech Republic are so superior to Serbia as gdp , why Serbia can`t be as a Slovakia and Czech Republic but i see they not have big minimum salary or average salary or pensions or whatever

here in statistic is only Albania vs Kosovo 2017-2022 http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=35&pr.y=10&sy=2017&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=914%2C967&s=NGDP_RPCH%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

Kosovo economy is estimate to grow 3,5% year by year until 2022 and Albania 3,7% by 2022 Albania gdp 6000 dollars Kosovo 4300 dollars

SJ Moldova have a big diaspora to why they are more poor than Kosovo ? even Ukraine have diaspora

Sj the Eu money in Romania gdp grow it represent 0,8% they analysed this in Romania if we would manage to get money from Eu as Hungary Croatia Poland it can grow at 1,5% from gdp grow .

I am not obsedet with gdp , i only want all income for people to grow up .

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Leonidas

pre 7 godina

Leonidas, your point is mute, in 2015 remittances were 697 mln and in 2016 753 mln euro, for a whopping increase of 0.08%. Whatever ancillary effect remittances might have on the GDP, Kosova's 4% increase of the GDP was not attributed to a sudden burst of remittances. Eurozone itself, where these remittances are sent from, at the same period of time had a growth of about 0.4-0.5%, so the theory doesn't hold water.
(Therret Prizreni

Since my point is mute here is a link below which takes you to a summary of a research done by someone on the effects of remittances on consumption and GDP with special case Albania.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14631379995940

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rote kapelle

pre 7 godina

SJ Moldova have a big diaspora to why they are more poor than Kosovo ? even Ukraine have diaspora Sj the Eu money in Romania gdp grow it represent 0,8% they analysed this in Romania if we would manage to get money from Eu as Hungary Croatia Poland it can grow at 1,5% from gdp grow .

(adi_bucharest,

Forget about the EU money. That carrot does not work any longer and that's why the 3 countries dare to bark at Brussels. Bulgaria will soon join them. Moldova is weak because of Voronin, Plahotnjuk and other sell outs. Besides it's a agricultural Slavic country that had always survived thanks to the mainland Russia.

PLEASE LEAVE ALONE THE GDP AND SALARIES !
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ?

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icj1

pre 7 godina

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:36)

this only exists in Albanian economics
(sj, 13 October 2017 13:46)

And it also exists in the World Bank economics. I wasn't aware that the World Bank uses Albanian economics, but if the CE of B92 forums sj says so, that must be the case :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

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Bilbao

pre 7 godina

What on earth is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=WP-Nt6H7G84

I assume the fighters from 1389 are rolling in their graves....

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sj

pre 7 godina

Of course remittances are classified as income and they are included in the GNI (gross national income). But the CE of B92 forums sj was writing about the GDP (which does not include remittances), not GNI. Feel free to sort it out with the CE of B92 forums sj and let us know the outcome lol

P.S. CE = Chief Economist
(icj1, 12 October 2017 14:36)


No, this only exists in Albanian economics LOL.

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Amnesty Yugoslavia

pre 7 godina

I never wrote about GDP
(icj1, 10 October 2017 14:26)

I never said that I never wrote about GDP

(icj1, 11 October 2017 15:05)

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When it comes to GDP, icj1, the CB of B92, has convinced themselves and the rest of us they don't know what they are saying or writing.

PS CB = Chief Bigot

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