Serbs are marking June 28 - the Orthodox Christian feast of Vidovdan (St. Vitus) - and historically <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2012&mm=06&dd=28&nav_id=81009" class="text-link" target= "_blank">a day of special significance</a> for the nation and the state.
You serbs were Nobody and still you are Nobody
Keep dreaming about your false past and lead to a false future'
Enough with Dark Age, forget Kosovo, move on, what about making more babies if you want to exist'
Yes like Stefanos Nemanias !
Stefan is a Greek name – not Serbian just in case you don’t know it – it was given from Greeks -
(Joni, 30 June 2017 11:24)
Tsar Dushan's empire spread to southern Greece; love his name and if he was Greek , even better!
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
(icj1, 30 June 2017 02:14)
You should learn how to read
(Jugoslavija, 30 June 2017 17:46)
Why should I or anybody else learn to read your fantasies?! lol
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
(icj1, 30 June 2017 02:14) #
@ Jugollapias
Yes like Stefanos Nemanias !
Stefan is a Greek name – not Serbian just in case you don’t know it – it was given from Greeks - i bet you know that eeee…
So most probability to be a Greek has Stefanos Nemanias !
2 Greeks made your alphabet, and most probably even Stefanos Nemanias was a Greek – if not i don’t understand how so he had a Greek name not Serbian one.
He lived in Greece and build a monastery there ( which was called the Albanians tower exactly because of the Kastrioti family he he he ) !
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Albanians filling UK prisons.
(sj, 29 June 2017 14:16)
What a coincidence...
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Serbs filling UK prisons.
I'm so honored to apply the research methods of the CE of B92 forums sj :)
Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure ever since autonomy was given to Kosovo.
AP; Oct. 23, 1981; Minorities Leaving Yugoslav Province Dominated by Albanians
BBC World; May 4, 1985; Serbian Presidency discusses emigration from Kosovo
NY Times, April 28, 1986; In One Yugoslav Province Serbs Fear the Ethnic Albanians
Facts on File World News Digest; September 10, 1982;
Serbs in Kosovo Exodus Yugoslavs Take Emergency Steps In Face of Ethnic Disturbance
By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Foreign Service
DATELINE: BELGRADE, April 2, 1981
In a nationwide television broadcast, Kosovo's president, Dzavid Nimani, accused the demonstrators of being manipulated by "enemy forces" wanting to destroy Yugoslavia --
(Jugoslavija, 29 June 2017 17:01)
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
Giorgos Kastriotis is Greek-Macedonian and yes his mother was Serbian!
One of the lesser known heroes of Greek history is George Kastriotis, known also as Skander beys. It is the national hero of Albanians at the same time is unknown or wrongly presented in Greece. as ethnic Albanian. Let's see who the final Skander beys. His real name is Georgios Kastriotis.
The last name and has true origin after his grandfather,
Konstantinos Kastriotis (1390), was ruler of the region of Kastoria and Imathia. His father was Ioannis Kastriotis, ruler of Kroias while his mother came from Serbia (Voisava).
Jugoslavia no it does not - Tito did give them Autonomy and that was different world pre 1989.
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 19:42)
Don't talk about something you know nothing about. The Communists that led Kosovo up to 1999 were predominantly Albanian, not Serbian in the republic level. Federally, Yugoslavia became more involved as the Albanians continue to push for equal status with the other republics in Yugoslavia. Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure ever since autonomy was given to Kosovo.
AP; Oct. 23, 1981; Minorities Leaving Yugoslav Province Dominated by Albanians
BBC World; May 4, 1985; Serbian Presidency discusses emigration from Kosovo
NY Times, April 28, 1986; In One Yugoslav Province Serbs Fear the Ethnic Albanians
Facts on File World News Digest; September 10, 1982;
Serbs in Kosovo Exodus Yugoslavs Take Emergency Steps In Face of Ethnic Disturbance
By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Foreign Service
DATELINE: BELGRADE, April 2, 1981
In a nationwide television broadcast, Kosovo's president, Dzavid Nimani, accused the demonstrators of being manipulated by "enemy forces" wanting to destroy Yugoslavia --
"lack of socio-econommic opportunities, not overt and rampant discrimination".
I understand, you have the right to suspect that "somehow Albanians suppressed". Please believe me there was no assimilation process. I have friends who are 25% Greek (only one of the grandparents being Greek) and they have Greek papers. Not a problem.
About economic problems? Albania is poor, what do you expect? Still the Greeks who had remittances from immigration or their relatives in Greece lived pretty well even during Hoxha regime. The others... like Albanians.
This was not the case with Arvanites and Orthodox Chams who had no right of language and education in Albanian. Today assimilated totally. While Muslim Chams were masacrated and forced to leave their homes and go in Albania. Practically what Milosevic almost achieved in Kosovo.
About Kosovo? Yes, you`re absolutely right. But please don`t overestimate Albanians. Few years ago some people killed our relatives, burned our homes and forced 1,5 millions to leave Kosovo. And those peoples are still honoured as Heroes in Northern Kosovo and other Serbian communes. Beograd is still using Kosovo Serbs as scapegoat to win elections in Serbia by forcing them to leave neither under Serbia laws nor under Kosovo laws.
Your principles are very honourable but knowing still there are too many Serbs and Albanians who want "total revenge" i think for now we should be glad if we manage not to kill each other.
... knowing still there are too many Serbs and Albanians who want "total revenge" i think for now we should be glad if we manage not to kill each other.
(Free, 29 June 2017 16:20)
And that's a perfect (and probably only) way to come to terms on this discussion for the time being.
Albanians did hold a memorial for Battle of Kosovo and their fallen princ Teodor Muzaka II, on June 15,2017.
We held a memorial, because it was nothing to celebrate as serbians do.
The next day after the Battle of Kosovo our peoples were under ottoman rule.
Serbs as usual as strange ceatures....
Albania has no problems with Greek community.
(Free, 28 June 2017 17:41)
I have to disagree with that. Albanians may not have any problems with the Greek community, but successive Albanian governments since Hoxha have been trying to assimilate them in every possible way. Of course, it's a typical comment across the board that you made:
"Your minorities living in my country have it so much better than my minorities living in your country."
Serbs will always say that Albanians never had it better. Albanians say Greeks have all the rights they need. One rarely, if ever, stops to ask what the minority thinks because if there's any negative statement, it's obviously paid propaganda from the neighboring country. Of course, if minorities have it great, there wouldn't be any need to protest and demand more rights, eh? Yet even here, another problem missed is that if minorities complain, the usually first complain about lack of socio-econommic opportunities, not overt and rampant discrimination. It only turns into discrimination once socio-economic grievances are ignored and the only way for the governments in power to maintain the upper hand is to turn it into a socio-cultural. This is what happened in Kosovo in the 1980s and this is what's happening in Kosovo now in the 2010s.
Dear me sj, did those people honestly tell you that the reason behind their brexit was Albanian prisoners? Did you not tell them, that with Albania not being an EU member, the UK could have deported them?
Dear me sj, did those people honestly tell you that the reason behind their brexit was Albanian prisoners? Did you not tell them, that with Albania not being an EU member, the UK could have deported them?
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Albanians filling UK prisons.
Did you read the article? The journalists ask him about Albanians, and made an article on that. But if you have not read it here you have:
The report also said that Serbian and Turkish crime groups "dominate high volume maritime cocaine logistics", while Turkish and Pakistani groups "continue to dominate heroin trafficking to the UK".
Wanting the land but not the other people has been a symptom of Kosovo since the Berlin Congress. The best time Kosovo was managed was probably under the Byzantine Empire.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 June 2017 16:55)
Very fair and balanced response, so what is the solution to this madness? In kosovo there seems to be about 130 to 150K Serbs majority living south of Ibar?
Also to most to others I am not being provocative but no one seems to answer solution as you alluded what do you mean less than independance? As this forum seems to be about past or vendettas I am curious to have this discussion politely in the end all we write here are opinions :)
Tito gave Kosovo full autonomy to the Albanians in Kosovo who ran the Communist government . It became the sh''''hole of Yugoslavia. Now its the sh****hole of Europe. Does that answer your question?
(Jugoslavija, 28 June 2017 17:51)
Jugoslavia no it does not - Tito did give them Autonomy and that was different world pre 1989. I think no one answers this question in this forume if lets say Serbs and Albanians wanted to live in one country you can not speak without showing the place in the society they would be a 25 to 30% of population what type of writes will you give them - would you accept to have same constitution as Kosovo has writen by West?
No point to use vulgarity I am trying to have open discussion, being a bad place or poor wont change it if it would be under Serbia as magic wish.
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36 Dude get real, all the Albos that are living in Serbia are proof they are far better of then in the shithole Albo controlled Kosovo, what has the current leadership in Kosovo offered the people their?? Drugs, Prostitutes, Mafia, violence.
@Balkan Anthropologist
"Were it up to Kosovo's own Albanian community, the Serb minority would have the same rights as the Greeks of Albania".
Since you`ve been one of the most logic posters here... please don`t speak about things you don`t know. Greek minority in Albania has had their rights even before Albanian themselves. How could a weak state like Albania not respect the Greek minority rights when Greek state has always been much more powerful than Albania?
Greek miniority has had Greek schools even before there were Albanian schools. 99% of Greek minority today are in Greece (or America) because who would want to stay in a poor country when has the opportunity to go in an European country having Greek papers?
Albania has no problems with Greek community. The problems always have been "imported" by Athens who claims that Scanderbeg is a "Greek Hero". Scanderbeg was from f@cking Northern Albania. Scanderbeg`s mother was from what is today Northern Macedonia. According to Greeks every Orthodox Albanian is "Greek". It`s like claiming that every Muslim in Serbia is Albanian.
But you`re right, Pristina should let ZSO being implemented and Belgrade should let Mitrovica being a normal city. But we prefer more consuming our energies on hurting "the enemy" rather than helping ourselves. And of course in the end blaming always the others.
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36)
Tito gave Kosovo full autonomy to the Albanians in Kosovo who ran the Communist government . It became the sh''''hole of Yugoslavia. Now its the sh****hole of Europe. Does that answer your question?
June 28, 2008-Inaugural meeting Community Assembly of Kosovo and Metohija
June 28, 2006-Montenegro announced 192 member of the UN
June 28, 2001-Slobodan Milosevic Transferred to the Hague
June 28, 1989-Milosevic Gazemestan speech
June 28, 1921-Constitution Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
June 28, 1919-Treaty of Versailles is Signed
June 28, 1914-Gavrilo Princip assassination of Archduke Ferdinand
June 28, 1915-Belgrade relieved from Austro-Hungary
June 28, 1881-Signing secret alliance Austro-Hungary and Serbia
June 28, 1876-Serbian declaration of war against Ottoman Empire
June 28, 1389-Tzar Lazar Martyred Battle of Kosovo
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36)
Funny you should ask that question because Kosovo's constitution was written by outsiders with the determined intention of empowering the Serb minority as much as possible. Were it up to Kosovo's own Albanian community, the Serb minority would have the same rights as the Greeks of Albania.
But aside from that, let's be honest: Serbs and Albanians have always wanted to control Kosovo without taking responsibility for the other community. Without being forced to commit to any agreement, Serbian leaders would have given their brother's right arm in order to "keep" Kosovo just for the sake of saying it's theirs. When asked to commit however, they suddenly get vague with "more than autonomy less than independence" references. Same goes for Albanians who make all sorts of promises that Serbs will be the most privileged minority in the world, and then do everything to block implementation of ZSO and blame Kosovo's perennial problems on Serbia and "parallel institutions".
Wanting the land but not the other people has been a symptom of Kosovo since the Berlin Congress. The best time Kosovo was managed was probably under the Byzantine Empire.
Wise words. We Serbs must never forget our history, our culture our blood and where we came from and defend our homeland against the foreign, Islamic Albanian terrorist hords!
(So sad too bad, 28 June 2017 14:58)
So Serbs came from Kosovo?
you ruled this land before 1389 lost then did not till 1912 but you come from Kosovo how so?
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
- Reserves seats in Parlament
- 2/3 of their vote to change constitution
- Albanian language official language of all Serbia
- Kosovo have own police and only albanian police officers as chief of police in majoraty areas
- Albania to be able to invest as they please in Kosovo
- Neutral Flag and national anthem representing all citizens.
( * I am sure 99% of Kosovo Albanians would not want under any circumstance to live in Serbia - However I would like to hear Serbian point of view if at all possible)?
In 1389 it was a battle of the religious war between the Early (Serbs) and the Apostolic (Rus) Christians. The war started in 1370 and it is marked on many Serbian, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time and ended in 1415. Later the early Christians were called pagans ... But for 180 years since 1185 they had ruled the continent and belonged to the same Rjuricovici who had Romey rootes ... So Kosovo is not only a Serbian story but our joint tragedy where Great Khan Dmitry Ivanovic (Donskoy) was killed.
That's great... Kosovo and Metohija should be very honored that some people from other countries view it as their heart, soul and honor similar to what, say, Catholic people view the Vatican or Muslim people view Mecca.
(icj1, 28 June 2017 15:04)
Its always amusing to read your pointless commentary and irrelevant babble. What a waste of effort. Try and give it more thought before posting nonsense such as above.
"Kosovo and "Kosovo and Metohija is not merely, as we sometimes like to say, the heart, but also the soul, and the honor of the whole Serb people."
That's great... Kosovo and Metohija should be very honored that some people from other countries view it as their heart, soul and honor similar to what, say, Catholic people view the Vatican or Muslim people view Mecca.
Wise words. We Serbs must never forget our history, our culture our blood and where we came from and defend our homeland against the foreign, Islamic Albanian terrorist hords!
Wise words. We Serbs must never forget our history, our culture our blood and where we came from and defend our homeland against the foreign, Islamic Albanian terrorist hords!
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36)
Tito gave Kosovo full autonomy to the Albanians in Kosovo who ran the Communist government . It became the sh''''hole of Yugoslavia. Now its the sh****hole of Europe. Does that answer your question?
June 28, 2008-Inaugural meeting Community Assembly of Kosovo and Metohija
June 28, 2006-Montenegro announced 192 member of the UN
June 28, 2001-Slobodan Milosevic Transferred to the Hague
June 28, 1989-Milosevic Gazemestan speech
June 28, 1921-Constitution Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
June 28, 1919-Treaty of Versailles is Signed
June 28, 1914-Gavrilo Princip assassination of Archduke Ferdinand
June 28, 1915-Belgrade relieved from Austro-Hungary
June 28, 1881-Signing secret alliance Austro-Hungary and Serbia
June 28, 1876-Serbian declaration of war against Ottoman Empire
June 28, 1389-Tzar Lazar Martyred Battle of Kosovo
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36)
Funny you should ask that question because Kosovo's constitution was written by outsiders with the determined intention of empowering the Serb minority as much as possible. Were it up to Kosovo's own Albanian community, the Serb minority would have the same rights as the Greeks of Albania.
But aside from that, let's be honest: Serbs and Albanians have always wanted to control Kosovo without taking responsibility for the other community. Without being forced to commit to any agreement, Serbian leaders would have given their brother's right arm in order to "keep" Kosovo just for the sake of saying it's theirs. When asked to commit however, they suddenly get vague with "more than autonomy less than independence" references. Same goes for Albanians who make all sorts of promises that Serbs will be the most privileged minority in the world, and then do everything to block implementation of ZSO and blame Kosovo's perennial problems on Serbia and "parallel institutions".
Wanting the land but not the other people has been a symptom of Kosovo since the Berlin Congress. The best time Kosovo was managed was probably under the Byzantine Empire.
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36 Dude get real, all the Albos that are living in Serbia are proof they are far better of then in the shithole Albo controlled Kosovo, what has the current leadership in Kosovo offered the people their?? Drugs, Prostitutes, Mafia, violence.
That's great... Kosovo and Metohija should be very honored that some people from other countries view it as their heart, soul and honor similar to what, say, Catholic people view the Vatican or Muslim people view Mecca.
(icj1, 28 June 2017 15:04)
Its always amusing to read your pointless commentary and irrelevant babble. What a waste of effort. Try and give it more thought before posting nonsense such as above.
"Kosovo and "Kosovo and Metohija is not merely, as we sometimes like to say, the heart, but also the soul, and the honor of the whole Serb people."
That's great... Kosovo and Metohija should be very honored that some people from other countries view it as their heart, soul and honor similar to what, say, Catholic people view the Vatican or Muslim people view Mecca.
Wise words. We Serbs must never forget our history, our culture our blood and where we came from and defend our homeland against the foreign, Islamic Albanian terrorist hords!
(So sad too bad, 28 June 2017 14:58)
So Serbs came from Kosovo?
you ruled this land before 1389 lost then did not till 1912 but you come from Kosovo how so?
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
- Reserves seats in Parlament
- 2/3 of their vote to change constitution
- Albanian language official language of all Serbia
- Kosovo have own police and only albanian police officers as chief of police in majoraty areas
- Albania to be able to invest as they please in Kosovo
- Neutral Flag and national anthem representing all citizens.
( * I am sure 99% of Kosovo Albanians would not want under any circumstance to live in Serbia - However I would like to hear Serbian point of view if at all possible)?
@Balkan Anthropologist
"Were it up to Kosovo's own Albanian community, the Serb minority would have the same rights as the Greeks of Albania".
Since you`ve been one of the most logic posters here... please don`t speak about things you don`t know. Greek minority in Albania has had their rights even before Albanian themselves. How could a weak state like Albania not respect the Greek minority rights when Greek state has always been much more powerful than Albania?
Greek miniority has had Greek schools even before there were Albanian schools. 99% of Greek minority today are in Greece (or America) because who would want to stay in a poor country when has the opportunity to go in an European country having Greek papers?
Albania has no problems with Greek community. The problems always have been "imported" by Athens who claims that Scanderbeg is a "Greek Hero". Scanderbeg was from f@cking Northern Albania. Scanderbeg`s mother was from what is today Northern Macedonia. According to Greeks every Orthodox Albanian is "Greek". It`s like claiming that every Muslim in Serbia is Albanian.
But you`re right, Pristina should let ZSO being implemented and Belgrade should let Mitrovica being a normal city. But we prefer more consuming our energies on hurting "the enemy" rather than helping ourselves. And of course in the end blaming always the others.
Giorgos Kastriotis is Greek-Macedonian and yes his mother was Serbian!
One of the lesser known heroes of Greek history is George Kastriotis, known also as Skander beys. It is the national hero of Albanians at the same time is unknown or wrongly presented in Greece. as ethnic Albanian. Let's see who the final Skander beys. His real name is Georgios Kastriotis.
The last name and has true origin after his grandfather,
Konstantinos Kastriotis (1390), was ruler of the region of Kastoria and Imathia. His father was Ioannis Kastriotis, ruler of Kroias while his mother came from Serbia (Voisava).
Tito gave Kosovo full autonomy to the Albanians in Kosovo who ran the Communist government . It became the sh''''hole of Yugoslavia. Now its the sh****hole of Europe. Does that answer your question?
(Jugoslavija, 28 June 2017 17:51)
Jugoslavia no it does not - Tito did give them Autonomy and that was different world pre 1989. I think no one answers this question in this forume if lets say Serbs and Albanians wanted to live in one country you can not speak without showing the place in the society they would be a 25 to 30% of population what type of writes will you give them - would you accept to have same constitution as Kosovo has writen by West?
No point to use vulgarity I am trying to have open discussion, being a bad place or poor wont change it if it would be under Serbia as magic wish.
In 1389 it was a battle of the religious war between the Early (Serbs) and the Apostolic (Rus) Christians. The war started in 1370 and it is marked on many Serbian, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time and ended in 1415. Later the early Christians were called pagans ... But for 180 years since 1185 they had ruled the continent and belonged to the same Rjuricovici who had Romey rootes ... So Kosovo is not only a Serbian story but our joint tragedy where Great Khan Dmitry Ivanovic (Donskoy) was killed.
Wanting the land but not the other people has been a symptom of Kosovo since the Berlin Congress. The best time Kosovo was managed was probably under the Byzantine Empire.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 June 2017 16:55)
Very fair and balanced response, so what is the solution to this madness? In kosovo there seems to be about 130 to 150K Serbs majority living south of Ibar?
Also to most to others I am not being provocative but no one seems to answer solution as you alluded what do you mean less than independance? As this forum seems to be about past or vendettas I am curious to have this discussion politely in the end all we write here are opinions :)
Albanians did hold a memorial for Battle of Kosovo and their fallen princ Teodor Muzaka II, on June 15,2017.
We held a memorial, because it was nothing to celebrate as serbians do.
The next day after the Battle of Kosovo our peoples were under ottoman rule.
Serbs as usual as strange ceatures....
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Albanians filling UK prisons.
Did you read the article? The journalists ask him about Albanians, and made an article on that. But if you have not read it here you have:
The report also said that Serbian and Turkish crime groups "dominate high volume maritime cocaine logistics", while Turkish and Pakistani groups "continue to dominate heroin trafficking to the UK".
Dear me sj, did those people honestly tell you that the reason behind their brexit was Albanian prisoners? Did you not tell them, that with Albania not being an EU member, the UK could have deported them?
Dear me sj, did those people honestly tell you that the reason behind their brexit was Albanian prisoners? Did you not tell them, that with Albania not being an EU member, the UK could have deported them?
@ Jugollapias
Yes like Stefanos Nemanias !
Stefan is a Greek name – not Serbian just in case you don’t know it – it was given from Greeks - i bet you know that eeee…
So most probability to be a Greek has Stefanos Nemanias !
2 Greeks made your alphabet, and most probably even Stefanos Nemanias was a Greek – if not i don’t understand how so he had a Greek name not Serbian one.
He lived in Greece and build a monastery there ( which was called the Albanians tower exactly because of the Kastrioti family he he he ) !
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Albanians filling UK prisons.
(sj, 29 June 2017 14:16)
What a coincidence...
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Serbs filling UK prisons.
I'm so honored to apply the research methods of the CE of B92 forums sj :)
... knowing still there are too many Serbs and Albanians who want "total revenge" i think for now we should be glad if we manage not to kill each other.
(Free, 29 June 2017 16:20)
And that's a perfect (and probably only) way to come to terms on this discussion for the time being.
Jugoslavia no it does not - Tito did give them Autonomy and that was different world pre 1989.
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 19:42)
Don't talk about something you know nothing about. The Communists that led Kosovo up to 1999 were predominantly Albanian, not Serbian in the republic level. Federally, Yugoslavia became more involved as the Albanians continue to push for equal status with the other republics in Yugoslavia. Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure ever since autonomy was given to Kosovo.
AP; Oct. 23, 1981; Minorities Leaving Yugoslav Province Dominated by Albanians
BBC World; May 4, 1985; Serbian Presidency discusses emigration from Kosovo
NY Times, April 28, 1986; In One Yugoslav Province Serbs Fear the Ethnic Albanians
Facts on File World News Digest; September 10, 1982;
Serbs in Kosovo Exodus Yugoslavs Take Emergency Steps In Face of Ethnic Disturbance
By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Foreign Service
DATELINE: BELGRADE, April 2, 1981
In a nationwide television broadcast, Kosovo's president, Dzavid Nimani, accused the demonstrators of being manipulated by "enemy forces" wanting to destroy Yugoslavia --
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
(icj1, 30 June 2017 02:14) #
Albania has no problems with Greek community.
(Free, 28 June 2017 17:41)
I have to disagree with that. Albanians may not have any problems with the Greek community, but successive Albanian governments since Hoxha have been trying to assimilate them in every possible way. Of course, it's a typical comment across the board that you made:
"Your minorities living in my country have it so much better than my minorities living in your country."
Serbs will always say that Albanians never had it better. Albanians say Greeks have all the rights they need. One rarely, if ever, stops to ask what the minority thinks because if there's any negative statement, it's obviously paid propaganda from the neighboring country. Of course, if minorities have it great, there wouldn't be any need to protest and demand more rights, eh? Yet even here, another problem missed is that if minorities complain, the usually first complain about lack of socio-econommic opportunities, not overt and rampant discrimination. It only turns into discrimination once socio-economic grievances are ignored and the only way for the governments in power to maintain the upper hand is to turn it into a socio-cultural. This is what happened in Kosovo in the 1980s and this is what's happening in Kosovo now in the 2010s.
"lack of socio-econommic opportunities, not overt and rampant discrimination".
I understand, you have the right to suspect that "somehow Albanians suppressed". Please believe me there was no assimilation process. I have friends who are 25% Greek (only one of the grandparents being Greek) and they have Greek papers. Not a problem.
About economic problems? Albania is poor, what do you expect? Still the Greeks who had remittances from immigration or their relatives in Greece lived pretty well even during Hoxha regime. The others... like Albanians.
This was not the case with Arvanites and Orthodox Chams who had no right of language and education in Albanian. Today assimilated totally. While Muslim Chams were masacrated and forced to leave their homes and go in Albania. Practically what Milosevic almost achieved in Kosovo.
About Kosovo? Yes, you`re absolutely right. But please don`t overestimate Albanians. Few years ago some people killed our relatives, burned our homes and forced 1,5 millions to leave Kosovo. And those peoples are still honoured as Heroes in Northern Kosovo and other Serbian communes. Beograd is still using Kosovo Serbs as scapegoat to win elections in Serbia by forcing them to leave neither under Serbia laws nor under Kosovo laws.
Your principles are very honourable but knowing still there are too many Serbs and Albanians who want "total revenge" i think for now we should be glad if we manage not to kill each other.
Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure ever since autonomy was given to Kosovo.
AP; Oct. 23, 1981; Minorities Leaving Yugoslav Province Dominated by Albanians
BBC World; May 4, 1985; Serbian Presidency discusses emigration from Kosovo
NY Times, April 28, 1986; In One Yugoslav Province Serbs Fear the Ethnic Albanians
Facts on File World News Digest; September 10, 1982;
Serbs in Kosovo Exodus Yugoslavs Take Emergency Steps In Face of Ethnic Disturbance
By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Foreign Service
DATELINE: BELGRADE, April 2, 1981
In a nationwide television broadcast, Kosovo's president, Dzavid Nimani, accused the demonstrators of being manipulated by "enemy forces" wanting to destroy Yugoslavia --
(Jugoslavija, 29 June 2017 17:01)
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
(icj1, 30 June 2017 02:14)
You should learn how to read
(Jugoslavija, 30 June 2017 17:46)
Why should I or anybody else learn to read your fantasies?! lol
Yes like Stefanos Nemanias !
Stefan is a Greek name – not Serbian just in case you don’t know it – it was given from Greeks -
(Joni, 30 June 2017 11:24)
Tsar Dushan's empire spread to southern Greece; love his name and if he was Greek , even better!
You serbs were Nobody and still you are Nobody
Keep dreaming about your false past and lead to a false future'
Enough with Dark Age, forget Kosovo, move on, what about making more babies if you want to exist'
Wise words. We Serbs must never forget our history, our culture our blood and where we came from and defend our homeland against the foreign, Islamic Albanian terrorist hords!
(So sad too bad, 28 June 2017 14:58)
So Serbs came from Kosovo?
you ruled this land before 1389 lost then did not till 1912 but you come from Kosovo how so?
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
- Reserves seats in Parlament
- 2/3 of their vote to change constitution
- Albanian language official language of all Serbia
- Kosovo have own police and only albanian police officers as chief of police in majoraty areas
- Albania to be able to invest as they please in Kosovo
- Neutral Flag and national anthem representing all citizens.
( * I am sure 99% of Kosovo Albanians would not want under any circumstance to live in Serbia - However I would like to hear Serbian point of view if at all possible)?
"Kosovo and "Kosovo and Metohija is not merely, as we sometimes like to say, the heart, but also the soul, and the honor of the whole Serb people."
That's great... Kosovo and Metohija should be very honored that some people from other countries view it as their heart, soul and honor similar to what, say, Catholic people view the Vatican or Muslim people view Mecca.
Wise words. We Serbs must never forget our history, our culture our blood and where we came from and defend our homeland against the foreign, Islamic Albanian terrorist hords!
In 1389 it was a battle of the religious war between the Early (Serbs) and the Apostolic (Rus) Christians. The war started in 1370 and it is marked on many Serbian, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time and ended in 1415. Later the early Christians were called pagans ... But for 180 years since 1185 they had ruled the continent and belonged to the same Rjuricovici who had Romey rootes ... So Kosovo is not only a Serbian story but our joint tragedy where Great Khan Dmitry Ivanovic (Donskoy) was killed.
Tito gave Kosovo full autonomy to the Albanians in Kosovo who ran the Communist government . It became the sh''''hole of Yugoslavia. Now its the sh****hole of Europe. Does that answer your question?
(Jugoslavija, 28 June 2017 17:51)
Jugoslavia no it does not - Tito did give them Autonomy and that was different world pre 1989. I think no one answers this question in this forume if lets say Serbs and Albanians wanted to live in one country you can not speak without showing the place in the society they would be a 25 to 30% of population what type of writes will you give them - would you accept to have same constitution as Kosovo has writen by West?
No point to use vulgarity I am trying to have open discussion, being a bad place or poor wont change it if it would be under Serbia as magic wish.
That's great... Kosovo and Metohija should be very honored that some people from other countries view it as their heart, soul and honor similar to what, say, Catholic people view the Vatican or Muslim people view Mecca.
(icj1, 28 June 2017 15:04)
Its always amusing to read your pointless commentary and irrelevant babble. What a waste of effort. Try and give it more thought before posting nonsense such as above.
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36)
Tito gave Kosovo full autonomy to the Albanians in Kosovo who ran the Communist government . It became the sh''''hole of Yugoslavia. Now its the sh****hole of Europe. Does that answer your question?
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36 Dude get real, all the Albos that are living in Serbia are proof they are far better of then in the shithole Albo controlled Kosovo, what has the current leadership in Kosovo offered the people their?? Drugs, Prostitutes, Mafia, violence.
Albanians did hold a memorial for Battle of Kosovo and their fallen princ Teodor Muzaka II, on June 15,2017.
We held a memorial, because it was nothing to celebrate as serbians do.
The next day after the Battle of Kosovo our peoples were under ottoman rule.
Serbs as usual as strange ceatures....
Giorgos Kastriotis is Greek-Macedonian and yes his mother was Serbian!
One of the lesser known heroes of Greek history is George Kastriotis, known also as Skander beys. It is the national hero of Albanians at the same time is unknown or wrongly presented in Greece. as ethnic Albanian. Let's see who the final Skander beys. His real name is Georgios Kastriotis.
The last name and has true origin after his grandfather,
Konstantinos Kastriotis (1390), was ruler of the region of Kastoria and Imathia. His father was Ioannis Kastriotis, ruler of Kroias while his mother came from Serbia (Voisava).
@Balkan Anthropologist
"Were it up to Kosovo's own Albanian community, the Serb minority would have the same rights as the Greeks of Albania".
Since you`ve been one of the most logic posters here... please don`t speak about things you don`t know. Greek minority in Albania has had their rights even before Albanian themselves. How could a weak state like Albania not respect the Greek minority rights when Greek state has always been much more powerful than Albania?
Greek miniority has had Greek schools even before there were Albanian schools. 99% of Greek minority today are in Greece (or America) because who would want to stay in a poor country when has the opportunity to go in an European country having Greek papers?
Albania has no problems with Greek community. The problems always have been "imported" by Athens who claims that Scanderbeg is a "Greek Hero". Scanderbeg was from f@cking Northern Albania. Scanderbeg`s mother was from what is today Northern Macedonia. According to Greeks every Orthodox Albanian is "Greek". It`s like claiming that every Muslim in Serbia is Albanian.
But you`re right, Pristina should let ZSO being implemented and Belgrade should let Mitrovica being a normal city. But we prefer more consuming our energies on hurting "the enemy" rather than helping ourselves. And of course in the end blaming always the others.
June 28, 2008-Inaugural meeting Community Assembly of Kosovo and Metohija
June 28, 2006-Montenegro announced 192 member of the UN
June 28, 2001-Slobodan Milosevic Transferred to the Hague
June 28, 1989-Milosevic Gazemestan speech
June 28, 1921-Constitution Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
June 28, 1919-Treaty of Versailles is Signed
June 28, 1914-Gavrilo Princip assassination of Archduke Ferdinand
June 28, 1915-Belgrade relieved from Austro-Hungary
June 28, 1881-Signing secret alliance Austro-Hungary and Serbia
June 28, 1876-Serbian declaration of war against Ottoman Empire
June 28, 1389-Tzar Lazar Martyred Battle of Kosovo
Wanting the land but not the other people has been a symptom of Kosovo since the Berlin Congress. The best time Kosovo was managed was probably under the Byzantine Empire.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 28 June 2017 16:55)
Very fair and balanced response, so what is the solution to this madness? In kosovo there seems to be about 130 to 150K Serbs majority living south of Ibar?
Also to most to others I am not being provocative but no one seems to answer solution as you alluded what do you mean less than independance? As this forum seems to be about past or vendettas I am curious to have this discussion politely in the end all we write here are opinions :)
Jugoslavia no it does not - Tito did give them Autonomy and that was different world pre 1989.
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 19:42)
Don't talk about something you know nothing about. The Communists that led Kosovo up to 1999 were predominantly Albanian, not Serbian in the republic level. Federally, Yugoslavia became more involved as the Albanians continue to push for equal status with the other republics in Yugoslavia. Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure ever since autonomy was given to Kosovo.
AP; Oct. 23, 1981; Minorities Leaving Yugoslav Province Dominated by Albanians
BBC World; May 4, 1985; Serbian Presidency discusses emigration from Kosovo
NY Times, April 28, 1986; In One Yugoslav Province Serbs Fear the Ethnic Albanians
Facts on File World News Digest; September 10, 1982;
Serbs in Kosovo Exodus Yugoslavs Take Emergency Steps In Face of Ethnic Disturbance
By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Foreign Service
DATELINE: BELGRADE, April 2, 1981
In a nationwide television broadcast, Kosovo's president, Dzavid Nimani, accused the demonstrators of being manipulated by "enemy forces" wanting to destroy Yugoslavia --
Question to serbs in this forum would you give Albanians in Kosovo same rights Serbs in Kosovo have as per Kosovo constitution?
(Bilbao, 28 June 2017 16:36)
Funny you should ask that question because Kosovo's constitution was written by outsiders with the determined intention of empowering the Serb minority as much as possible. Were it up to Kosovo's own Albanian community, the Serb minority would have the same rights as the Greeks of Albania.
But aside from that, let's be honest: Serbs and Albanians have always wanted to control Kosovo without taking responsibility for the other community. Without being forced to commit to any agreement, Serbian leaders would have given their brother's right arm in order to "keep" Kosovo just for the sake of saying it's theirs. When asked to commit however, they suddenly get vague with "more than autonomy less than independence" references. Same goes for Albanians who make all sorts of promises that Serbs will be the most privileged minority in the world, and then do everything to block implementation of ZSO and blame Kosovo's perennial problems on Serbia and "parallel institutions".
Wanting the land but not the other people has been a symptom of Kosovo since the Berlin Congress. The best time Kosovo was managed was probably under the Byzantine Empire.
Yes like Stefanos Nemanias !
Stefan is a Greek name – not Serbian just in case you don’t know it – it was given from Greeks -
(Joni, 30 June 2017 11:24)
Tsar Dushan's empire spread to southern Greece; love his name and if he was Greek , even better!
Dear me sj, did those people honestly tell you that the reason behind their brexit was Albanian prisoners? Did you not tell them, that with Albania not being an EU member, the UK could have deported them?
Did you read the article? The journalists ask him about Albanians, and made an article on that. But if you have not read it here you have:
The report also said that Serbian and Turkish crime groups "dominate high volume maritime cocaine logistics", while Turkish and Pakistani groups "continue to dominate heroin trafficking to the UK".
Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure ever since autonomy was given to Kosovo.
AP; Oct. 23, 1981; Minorities Leaving Yugoslav Province Dominated by Albanians
BBC World; May 4, 1985; Serbian Presidency discusses emigration from Kosovo
NY Times, April 28, 1986; In One Yugoslav Province Serbs Fear the Ethnic Albanians
Facts on File World News Digest; September 10, 1982;
Serbs in Kosovo Exodus Yugoslavs Take Emergency Steps In Face of Ethnic Disturbance
By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post Foreign Service
DATELINE: BELGRADE, April 2, 1981
In a nationwide television broadcast, Kosovo's president, Dzavid Nimani, accused the demonstrators of being manipulated by "enemy forces" wanting to destroy Yugoslavia --
(Jugoslavija, 29 June 2017 17:01)
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Albanians filling UK prisons.
(sj, 29 June 2017 14:16)
What a coincidence...
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Serbs filling UK prisons.
I'm so honored to apply the research methods of the CE of B92 forums sj :)
Dear me sj, did those people honestly tell you that the reason behind their brexit was Albanian prisoners? Did you not tell them, that with Albania not being an EU member, the UK could have deported them?
"lack of socio-econommic opportunities, not overt and rampant discrimination".
I understand, you have the right to suspect that "somehow Albanians suppressed". Please believe me there was no assimilation process. I have friends who are 25% Greek (only one of the grandparents being Greek) and they have Greek papers. Not a problem.
About economic problems? Albania is poor, what do you expect? Still the Greeks who had remittances from immigration or their relatives in Greece lived pretty well even during Hoxha regime. The others... like Albanians.
This was not the case with Arvanites and Orthodox Chams who had no right of language and education in Albanian. Today assimilated totally. While Muslim Chams were masacrated and forced to leave their homes and go in Albania. Practically what Milosevic almost achieved in Kosovo.
About Kosovo? Yes, you`re absolutely right. But please don`t overestimate Albanians. Few years ago some people killed our relatives, burned our homes and forced 1,5 millions to leave Kosovo. And those peoples are still honoured as Heroes in Northern Kosovo and other Serbian communes. Beograd is still using Kosovo Serbs as scapegoat to win elections in Serbia by forcing them to leave neither under Serbia laws nor under Kosovo laws.
Your principles are very honourable but knowing still there are too many Serbs and Albanians who want "total revenge" i think for now we should be glad if we manage not to kill each other.
@ Jugollapias
Yes like Stefanos Nemanias !
Stefan is a Greek name – not Serbian just in case you don’t know it – it was given from Greeks - i bet you know that eeee…
So most probability to be a Greek has Stefanos Nemanias !
2 Greeks made your alphabet, and most probably even Stefanos Nemanias was a Greek – if not i don’t understand how so he had a Greek name not Serbian one.
He lived in Greece and build a monastery there ( which was called the Albanians tower exactly because of the Kastrioti family he he he ) !
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
(icj1, 30 June 2017 02:14)
You should learn how to read
(Jugoslavija, 30 June 2017 17:46)
Why should I or anybody else learn to read your fantasies?! lol
Albania has no problems with Greek community.
(Free, 28 June 2017 17:41)
I have to disagree with that. Albanians may not have any problems with the Greek community, but successive Albanian governments since Hoxha have been trying to assimilate them in every possible way. Of course, it's a typical comment across the board that you made:
"Your minorities living in my country have it so much better than my minorities living in your country."
Serbs will always say that Albanians never had it better. Albanians say Greeks have all the rights they need. One rarely, if ever, stops to ask what the minority thinks because if there's any negative statement, it's obviously paid propaganda from the neighboring country. Of course, if minorities have it great, there wouldn't be any need to protest and demand more rights, eh? Yet even here, another problem missed is that if minorities complain, the usually first complain about lack of socio-econommic opportunities, not overt and rampant discrimination. It only turns into discrimination once socio-economic grievances are ignored and the only way for the governments in power to maintain the upper hand is to turn it into a socio-cultural. This is what happened in Kosovo in the 1980s and this is what's happening in Kosovo now in the 2010s.
During my trip in the UK last year I talked to many Brits about Brexit and reasons for the vote in the positive. They were sick and tired of immigrants who brought nothing to the UK except crime. One example was Albanians filling UK prisons.
... knowing still there are too many Serbs and Albanians who want "total revenge" i think for now we should be glad if we manage not to kill each other.
(Free, 29 June 2017 16:20)
And that's a perfect (and probably only) way to come to terms on this discussion for the time being.
None of the references you provided says that Serbians were forced to leave Kosovo either by force or by economic pressure... So,it appears, that was just a fantasy of yours!
(icj1, 30 June 2017 02:14) #
You serbs were Nobody and still you are Nobody
Keep dreaming about your false past and lead to a false future'
Enough with Dark Age, forget Kosovo, move on, what about making more babies if you want to exist'
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