Friday, 28.04.2017.
11:07
<a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2017&mm=04&dd=28&nav_id=101136" class="text-link" target= "_blank">What is happening in Macedonia</a> is not just a local problem, but one for the whole region, says Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic.
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Oh, OK... Yes, they still are pending :)
(icj1, 3 June 2017 16:20)
But in order to comply with your wish not to jump, they can only be considered after you prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." since I asked you to do so earlier.
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Which 2 exact questions, dear?
(icj1, 27 May 2017 16:03)
The 2 exact questions that you stated on 11 May 2017 to be still pending.
(wells, 28 May 2017 01:00)
Oh, OK... Yes, they still are pending :)
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Which 2 exact questions, dear?
(icj1, 27 May 2017 16:03)
The 2 exact questions that you stated on 11 May 2017 to be still pending.
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Great :)
(icj1, 23 May 2017 13:24)
You asked your 2 exact questions after I asked you to prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve".
(wells, 24 May 2017 06:17)
Which 2 exact questions, dear?
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Great :)
(icj1, 23 May 2017 13:24)
You asked your 2 exact questions after I asked you to prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve". This means that you must prove this statement of yours first in order to comply with your wish not to jump!
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I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote.
(wells, 14 May 2017 03:01)
Well, yes, I already wrote that "I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any." What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?! lol
(icj1, 18 May 2017 04:10)
Sure, I hold you exactly to what you and I had agreed would be your 2 exact questions for me.
(wells, 18 May 2017 11:53)
Great :)
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(icj1, 18 May 2017 04:10)
“You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote ….”
Sure, I hold you exactly to what you and I had agreed would be your 2 exact questions for me. Which means no other exact questions for me since we had agreed on only 2 exact questions for me!
“What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?!”
As this is a new exact question of yours to me, it must be discussed last so that we comply with your wish not to jump!
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(icj1, 13 May 2017 19:36)
I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote.
(wells, 14 May 2017 03:01)
Well, yes, I already wrote that "I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any." What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?! lol
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(icj1, 13 May 2017 19:36)
I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote. Kindly let me explain further.
Your exact question to Watcher on 1 May 2017 was "If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!". Your exact question to me on 6 May 2017 (which you reconfirmed on 11 May 2017 to be your exact question for me), however, was “So, regarding what Watcher's actually wrote on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient", do you agree that statement is not correct?” Both of us agreed and committed that it is your exact question to me that would apply to me in your post of 11 May 2017 and my post of 12 May 2017.
My point is that your exact question to Watcher is different from your exact question to me. i.e. Your exact question to Watcher asked for reasons why Russia sells gas to others. Your exact question to me was whether Watcher’s statement is correct. These 2 questions are not exactly the same and require different answers. Therefore you cannot hold me to your exact question for Watcher since I am not Watcher and since we had already agreed and committed to a different exact question for me!
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(icj1, 12 May 2017 14:37)
You questioned Watcher, not me, on 1 May 2017.
(wells, 13 May 2017 01:00)
Of course. So, congratulations for convincing yourself about that since I wrote nowhere that I questioned you on 1 May 2017!
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So I am not bounded by your question to Watcher since I am not Watcher.
(wells, 13 May 2017 01:00)
I never said you are Watcher lol So, congratulations again for convincing yourself about that!
It was you though on 2 May 2017 01:38 replying to my question to Watcher "If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!". I certainly did not ask you to reply; I asked Watcher, but you volunteered to answer that question. Since then we've still not settled whether your 2 May 2017 01:38 reply means that "Russia has become self sufficient". Once we settle that, I'm more than happy to discuss other things that you requested after 2 May 2017 01:38 :) We can't jump from topic to topic, without settling any of them...
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(icj1, 12 May 2017 14:37)
You questioned Watcher, not me, on 1 May 2017. So I am not bounded by your question to Watcher since I am not Watcher. You only asked me on 6 May 2017 18:09 whether Watcher’s statement is correct. So whether you are taking the chronological order of appearance of the statements or our questions, we will have to tackle your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve" first in order not to jump! Therefore please prove (or admit that you are unable to prove) that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve" is true.
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In order not to jump, we should settle the issues according to their chronological appearance. Since your statement of 30 April 2017 "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than the two issues you raised, we should tackle your statement first!
So please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true.
(wells, 12 May 2017 03:30)
Sure, my statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient". But you did not ask me to prove my statement until 3 May 2017 04:34.
Whereas I questioned Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient" on 1 May 2017 21:30 and you decided to tackle that on 2 May 2017 01:38, i.e. before asking me on 3 May 2017 04:34 to prove my statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve". And that's the same order that I'm following :)
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We can't jump from argument to argument without closing any of them :)
(icj1, 11 May 2017 13:51)
I agree with you! In order not to jump, we should settle the issues according to their chronological appearance. Since your statement of 30 April 2017 "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than the two issues you raised, we should tackle your statement first!
So please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (Alternatively, you can also admit that you are unable to prove that is true if this is the case).
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If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true.
(wells, 11 May 2017 01:12)
I'd be more than happy to apply to this other request of yours the same standard I applied to Watcher's statement on 30 April 2017 17:06. But we still have the other two issues pending:
1. Is Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient" true or not?
2. Is your statement that I'm applying double standards, a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for myself, true or not?
We can't jump from argument to argument without closing any of them :)
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I forgot to state that my earlier post below was in reply to icj1's post of 10 May 2017 16:16.
If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (You can also admit that it is not true so that we can close the case on this statement of yours).
(wells, 11 May 2017 01:12)
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If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (You can also admit that it is not true so that we can close the case on this statement of yours).
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
(wells, 8 May 2017 01:40)
It's not clear from what you wrote above what the double standard is. Yes, I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any. I wrote nowhere that you should do something different with my comments.
(icj1, 9 May 2017 13:57)
What you wrote exactly was "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." I am holding you exactly to this statement of yours
(wells, 9 May 2017 14:49)
Of course, and I wrote nowhere that you should not hold me to exactly the same standard I'm holding our dear friend Watcher to. So, your "double standard" statement does not stand!
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(icj1, 9 May 2017 13:57)
What you wrote exactly was "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." I am holding you exactly to this statement of yours by asking you to prove that it is true. Thank you.
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
(wells, 8 May 2017 01:40)
It's not clear from what you wrote above what the double standard is. Yes, I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any. I wrote nowhere that you should do something different with my comments.
Also, if you want to discuss if Russia is self-sufficient in food, I'm more than happy to do that. But, we have to settle first whether Watcher's comment that "Russia has become self sufficient" is true or not. Because if that Watcher's comment is true, any discussion about Russia's self-sufficiency in food becomes moot. So, not sure what the point is discussing a moot argument (if Watcher's comment is true).
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
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I believe that the context of the situation in which Watcher made that statement is relevant, to be fair to him or her.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Of course, but the only context that we can be sure about is what Watcher wrote; i.e. that "Russia has become self sufficient". He/she did not quote any other post(s) to add to that context.
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He or she could have taken for granted that the statement was well understood in the light of the contents of prior posts.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Of course, he/she could or he/she could have not and even if he/she could, we don't know which prior post(s) he/she took for granted.
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By the way, I assume this too when I post.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Good for you! I generally don't, which is why I usually quote the context, before my comment.
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My opinion is that Russia is self-sufficient in food based on an article that I had come across (link to this article was provided in my first post).
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
I'm more than happy to discuss that opinion of yours, but we first need to settle whether Watcher's comment that "Russia has become self sufficient" is true or not. That's because, if the conclusion is that Watcher's comment is true, the discussion about your opinion that "Russia is self-sufficient in food" becomes moot :)
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(icj1, 6 May 2017 18:09)
I believe that the context of the situation in which Watcher made that statement is relevant, to be fair to him or her. He or she could have taken for granted that the statement was well understood in the light of the contents of prior posts. By the way, I assume this too when I post.
It is true that I have been giving opinions (speculations in your words) on this topic. I see nothing wrong with opining. Lots of posters give opinions on this public forum and, I think, so did you.
You stated that I made the statement "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD" . I am unable to find that exact statement in my posts. So this claim of yours is not a fact, agree? LOL
Since it possible that there could still be some misunderstanding about what was posted, please allow me to summarize my position (and we can debate my summary if you like): My opinion is that Russia is self-sufficient in food based on an article that I had come across (link to this article was provided in my first post). Your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” seems to be at odds with the findings of this article. Which was why I asked you repeatedly to prove this statement of yours. Can you prove it?
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I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything.
(wells, 5 May 2017 10:54)
Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
(icj1, 5 May 2017 14:36)
Watcher was replying to your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Viewed in this context, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Watcher was only referring to Russia becoming self-sufficient in FOOD.
(wells, 6 May 2017 01:25)
Oh, OK, so we're not settled yet on the first point...
Well, since Watcher never replied to my statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.”, I don't view it in your context at all! If you want to come up with your context, feel free to do so, but your context is just yours. The only thing that is a fact is that Watcher wrote, I quote, "Russia has become self sufficient". That's what I replied to.
Your speculation that Watcher meant to write "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD", remains just a speculation, until Watcher confirms it.
So, regarding what Watcher's actually wrote on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient", do you agree that statement is not correct? Once we settle on that, we can move to your statement that "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD"
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Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
(icj1, 5 May 2017 14:36)
Watcher was replying to your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Viewed in this context, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Watcher was only referring to Russia becoming self-sufficient in FOOD. Because you wouldn’t have written the words “Russia will starve” unless you were referring to great and widespread lack of FOOD among the Russian populace, right?
Despite my repeated requests, you have not provided proof to back your statement that “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Is this because you are unable to prove the truth of this statement of yours?
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I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything.
(wells, 5 May 2017 10:54)
Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
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Of course Russia can accumulate foreign reserves (savings) - I'm glad that you got that part. But the question is, if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? If Russia is self-sufficient, Russia would not need to get more money from OTHERS in order to accumulate those foreign reserves (savings) :)
(icj1, 5 May 2017 03:05)
I didn’t state that Russia is self-sufficient in everything – had you read my last post carefully enough, you would find that I had stated that I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything. I wasn’t referring to Russia’s self-sufficiency in everything, I was referring to her self-sufficiency in FOOD. Please be clear about this.
There is, obviously, a difference between not being self-sufficient in everything and not being self-sufficient in FOOD. When you informed Watcher that "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.", you appeared to be implying that Russia is not self-sufficient in FOOD. Your words “…… will starve” indicated to me that you were referring to FOOD only.
And you have still not proven that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (i.e. a fact). So in my opinion, this claim of yours to Watcher remains unproven and not a fact.
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Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
(icj1, 3 May 2017 15:13)
Many countries accumulate foreign reserves (just look at the amount accumulated by the likes of China and Japan!) and so why should Russia be different?
(wells, 4 May 2017 01:08)
Of course Russia can accumulate foreign reserves (savings) - I'm glad that you got that part. But the question is, if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? If Russia is self-sufficient, Russia would not need to get more money from OTHERS in order to accumulate those foreign reserves (savings) :)
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Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
(icj1, 3 May 2017 15:13)
I think the answer is simple – the Russian populace, by and large, will transact in their local currency (i.e. ruble), which is not a foreign currency to Russia. Many countries accumulate foreign reserves (just look at the amount accumulated by the likes of China and Japan!) and so why should Russia be different? Whatever Russia’s reasons for accumulating foreign reserves, it should not be because she needs to use it all to buy food – please refer back to the link that I provided which indicated that Russia is among the agriculturally sufficient countries.
Mind you, I do not believe that any country is self-sufficient in everything. However, your original bone of contention with Watcher was that "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." It seems to me that, when you used the word “starve”, you were disputing about Russia’s self-sufficiency in FOOD only. So let us not deviate from your original point.
By the way, can you prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (i.e. a fact)?
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icj
Rosatom is constructing nuclear stations abroad and only 2 of them in PAKSH (Hungary) and AKKUYU (Turkey) will cost us USD 33 BLN ... We have a lot of projests to spend our money but we need more ...
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Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol
(icj1, 2 May 2017 14:32)
I think the answer is simple -- get more money to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)
(wells, 3 May 2017 04:34)
Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
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Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol Not to mention that when you start the sentence with "it could", that means that you are just speculating and not referring to any facts.
(icj1, 2 May 2017 14:32)
I think the answer is simple -- get more money to accumulate foreign reserves (savings), and not because Russia needs to spend it all on food. I note that you did not counter the link that I provided.
Since facts seem important to you, can you prove that what you wrote earlier "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is a fact? Thanks.
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Skenderbeu
* You dont have respect for tiny nations --- DISAGREED AS RUSSIA IS COMPOSED OF DOZENS OF SMALL NATIONS AND RUS PEOPLE NEVER USED THEIR DOMINANT POSITION.
* past glories allow you to be frank --- PAST GLORIES MAKE US THINK THAT WE CAN COPE WITH ANY ENEMY. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT RUS PEOPLES DO NOT HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR THE LAWS. SINNCE HORDIAN TIMES RUS BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE WRITTEN RATHER FOR OTHER PEOPLES BUT NOT FOR THEM ..
* balkans have never decided anything --- AFTER 1826 WHEN TANZIMAT PERIOD STARTED IN OTTOMANIA
* Dont expect a change soon in serbs mentality --- SO DO I BUT THINGS MAY CHANGE IF THE SHQIPTARE LEADERS GO ON PLAYING ROLE OF THE TROYAN SHEEP INVOLVING COMMON PEOPLE INTO TOTAL WAR WITH ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS
* phrase that Hrushov used which made Hoxha decide to break with him? --- BOTH WERE IDIOTS PLUS KHRUSHEV WAS ALSO A TRAITOR AND HIS SON STILL HIDES IN THE USA. HOXHA HAD LITTLE MANUEVER.
* Serbs are no different from albanians on this --- SHQIPTARES ARE 100 TIMES CLOSER TO THE SLAVS THAT TO THE WEST. BE IT RELIGION OR CULTURE OR MENTALLITY OR ANYTHING ELSE. YOUR BIGGEST ENEMIES SIT IN TIRANA AND PRISTINA.
* jugoslavians were americans puppets --- ALL BECAUSE STALIN AND THEN KHRUSHEV FAILED TO SEE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO GREAT PARTISAN ARMIES AND THE REST OF EASTERN EUROPE WHO ALL FOUGHT ON HITLER'S SIDE. NOBODY RECALS THAT IN 1939 3 SLOVAKIAN DIVISIONS ACCOMPAHIED HITLER IN POLAND ECT.
CHEERS !
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Thank you Kapella the stakanovist!! Very interesting indeed and there cant be a better confirmation for Fomenko than the tiny and heroic nation of albanians I think. And guess what? For Afrodite Leonidas cant explain me nothing Im afraid, while it's just me who can explain to him that this word is entirely an albanian world afer - near, dita - day. Hope you had a good day and now take a rest.
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:06)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!! I don't have to come up with any ideas, dear! You are doing the work for me by providing yourself the argument that rejects your point that Russia has become self sufficient! lol
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:30)
It could be that Russia wants to earn more money by selling gas to others
(wells, 2 May 2017 01:38)
Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol Not to mention that when you start the sentence with "it could", that means that you are just speculating and not referring to any facts.
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Srbija is not in control of itself...
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
If you say so, I trust you that's the case since you are more knowledgeable about what happens in Srbija
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however, the record breaking amount of decent people "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" is stunning...
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
Well, it's not surprising that Serbs are "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" given that, as you said, Srbija is not in control of itself
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Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Of course, just list the things that you want to be negotiated. For some reason, you always miss that part, which is why it's hard for anybody to follow your advice!
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:37)
lets go back to basic's 101...More than autonomy, less than independence...hows that for starters?
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
Sure dear, but what does "more than autonomy, less than independence" mean in practice? Is it better or worse for Serbia than "Kosovo is Serbia"?
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Skenderbeu-6
8. In 1445 our Greek Patriarch flew to the Constantinopole where descendants of Prince Dmitry aka Constantine ruled since 1380. It spoiled our relations and in 1453 we had to seize the city. After that our relations with Contantinopole were spoiled only by the Romanovs in 17 century when the Ottomans stopped to obey Rus.
9. The main difference between the two versions was that the Rjurikovici considered themselves Gods too although smaller ones than their ancestor Andronik Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubsky. So they wrote plenty of legends , icons and made plenty of monuments exposing themselves as gods. Today we know them as Greek Zeus (Christ), Aphrodite (The Virgin) ect - ask Leonidas about it ...
10. Tanais was an old Rus/Greek city now called Azov. Tanais means same as Don i.e. River. Prince Dmitry became Saint under this name (Donskoy) during his lifetime (so we can expect that it must be somehow reflected in his new name of Constantine I. And it is as Constantinopole is a composite word of Con Stan Tina (Dona) Pole = Khan of Don Stan (Stand) Field ... with zero Greek smell !
i am tired my friend so i stop it here - cheers !
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Skenderbeu-5
I always fail to write it short because any episode taken from the context (Can's Text) makes it ever more strange for fresh brains. I am hereby to return to your question about the pre-Nemania period.
1. I have no doubts that the Njemania belonged to the Rjurikovici dynasty. Otherwise they had no chance to top any horde.
2. They must have been Pagans coz this branch of the joint religion was dominant before Kulikovo battle of 1380.
3. The two versions of the belief coexisted very peacefully for 195 years (1185-1380) after Christ. Pagan was dominant and was official religion of the empire. So Serbs were conservative ... like they are today.
4. Two parallel cultured were developed. In both versions plenty of books were written, plenty of prayors, icons ect. Many are still available though the church does not explain what other versions but the Apostolic had existed.
5. Russian Staroveri today stand closest to the Pagans though formally they are Orthodox and Apostolic. Even the official Russian church widely uses Pagan attributes like the swastika - the main symbol of the Pagans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers
http://www.kramola.info/vesti/protivostojanie/kolovrat-v-rossii
6. The difference between the two versions was so great that we can merely call them one religion.
7. After that date great changes were brought to the Apostolic Christianity where Greeks Brahmans (their pagan name) played even bigger role.
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Skenderbeu - 4
Han Dmitry formally was the main man in the world because he was a direct descendant of Batu Han (Vati Can) and nobody was going to kill him. It must have happened by accident and that's why both armies immediately abandoned Kosovo ...
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%20%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%201227-1502
It was a critical moment as the Apostolic Whites/ Beli/ Ak / Albanians were beheaded while everybody knew that there was no way that the empire can be headed by anybody else. Guess this tradition was introduced long before Gengis Han aka Georgy Danilovic (elder brother of Batu Han (Ivan Danilovic) launched the Trojan War.
Anyway Dmity's elder son Vasily (Bayazed) went on fighting intill he was captured and executed by Tamerlane in 1402. This date I doubt as I believe that Tamerlane and Mehmet II and Prophet Mohammad were one man. In 1415 the Golden Horde submitted to the White one. Together they moved our to Europe that stopped to pay money (silver Tallers) during the civil war in Rus that included Balkans.
It was a 40 years long war described in Bible (Exodus) and events of 1444, Skenderbeu, Albanian League ect. - all were in the context of that Reconquista. Our hordes reunited and moved forward as the Whites.
Yet there was one more horde (Blue) in Ukraine that later became the Ottomans. They stayed loyal to the Whites before 17 century when Germans (Romanovs) captured the newly built capitol of Moscow.
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Skenderbeu - 2
"pre-Nemanjic Serb state era" is a good combination of words ! You already know that I don't have any facts about any states on the Balkans before 19 century. No states, no peoples ! Only some ethnical legends, traditions and languages.
What was different in Njemanici period (before 1389) ? Everything was different ! Christianity was the only world religion - no Buddism, no Hebrew, no Muslims yet. But there were two versions of Christianity that much later got names of the Pagans and the Apostolic.
The more I think about it the more I believe that the Serbs were Pgans in 1389 and so were many Rus people at the time. Andronic I Komnenos known in Russia as Андрей Боголюбский + Андрей Первозванный was crusified in 1185 in Tsargrad and Rus fems of the Byzantine launched cruisader war that lasted till 1340 when 100% of what is called Europe now was colonized. The whole world was involved and that war we now call Trohan or Gothic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War
This empire is called Roman, Mongol ect. now but in the past it had plenty of other names. Two parallel Christianities coexisted before 1370 when young Great Prince of the Great Horde decided to put an end to it. What exactly happened that year remains unclear but this date is written on all Serbia, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time. It is written in letters but not figures that was traditional then and it is written inside the nimb of the Savior.
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Skenderbeu -3
This battle is described many times from Indian Mahabharata to the life story of Constantine I The Great aka Great Prince/Han Dmitry I. If you add 1052 years to most European dates you will have the true dating so if you add them to the death date of Constantine I you will find yourself on Kosovo (Cossakovo) Pole of 1389 ...
Thus all 3 (sultan Murad I, emperor Constantine I and the great khan/kniaz Dmity I Ivanovic Donskoy) died at the same time and place on Kosovo field in 1389. Simlpy because they all were ONE MAN. Before 1572 when Pope Gregory introduced his new chronology there were no problems with dating and date of their death was 1389-1052 = 337.
This was the real dating of the Kosovo battle. the sultan/khan/emperor was 39 yers old (not 65!) and he had no health problems but you will find not a single sentence in the Rus history about why and where he died and why the burrial services were held not by the Greek Patriach of the empire or at least by his Godfather Sergyi Radonezhski but by some low rate Archbishop of Trabesund. Most likely he was mumified and burried in the Imperial Cemetery in Giza (Cossack Cemetery)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giza_pyramid_complex
Kosovska Bitka hereby was a routine battle of the civil war of 1370-1415 known in Rus as Velikaya Smuta. It was a severe war of the Golden (Pagans) and the White (Apostolic) hordes both headed by the ruling Rjurikovici.
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If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.
(icj1, 30 April 2017 03:24)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:30)
It could be that Russia wants to earn more money by selling gas to others, and not because she needs to buy food. There is a 2013 report that seems to indicate that Russia is one of the countries that is agriculturally self-sufficient.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/1/014046
So while others might freeze from no gas, I think it is unlikely that Russia will starve (from not having food).
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@icj1 - No, sweetie, YOU are happy that Srbija is not in control of itself...however, the record breaking amount of decent people "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" is stunning...as for negotiating, lets go back to basic's 101...More than autonomy, less than independence...hows that for starters? Nobody winners, nobody losers. If not, than continue on until the "winds of change" blow harder...oh, and good luck!
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Skenderbeu
"pre-Nemanjic Serb state era" is a good combination of words ! You already know that I don't have any facts about any states on the Balkans before 19 century. No states, no peoples only some ethnical legends, traditions, dialects and languages.
What was different in Njemanici period (before 1389) ? Everything was different ! Christianity was the only world religion - no Buddism, no Hebrew, no Muslims yet. But there were two versions of Christianity that much later got names of the Pagans and the Apostolic.
The more I think about it the more I believe that the Serbs were Pagans in 1389 and so were many Rus people at the time. Andronic I Komnenos known in Russia as Андрей Боголюбский + Андрей Первозванный was crusified in 1185 in Tsargrad and Rus fems of the Byzantine launched cruisader war that lasted till 1340 when 100% of what is called Europe now was colonized. This empire is called Roman, Mongol ect. now but in the past it had plenty of other names.
Two parallel Christianities coexisted before 1370 when young Great Prince of the Great Horde decided to put an end to it. Both branches were headed by the Rjurikovici and all saints in them belonged to the Rjurikovici.
What exactly happened that year remains unclear but this date is written on all Serbia, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time. It is written in letters but not figures that was traditional then and it is written inside the nimb of the Savior.
i fall asleep but tomorrow i'll finish.
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You really think Albanians stopped those trucks? Lol..."legends in your own minds"! That's the problem... your " international friends" let Pristina do JUST ENOUGH to think they are in control, to think they run this "country"..funny, if it wasn't so sad!
(Watcher, 1 May 2017 13:56)
That might be sad for you, but for Kosovo is not sad at all. If you are trying to point out that Kosovo is controlled by its international friends, OK... Kosovo has no problem with that. Kosovo is happy that it is not Serbia that controls Kosovo.
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All the "welfare" money Pristina gets, the common people don't even feel it, much less see it! At some point, you going to have to realize it's not Beograd that's your enemy, but your "authorities" along with your " international "friends"...a lot of people got rich in Kosovo. And it ain't the common folk!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Well, if Kosovo were to be under Serbia, that would just add another layer of corruption in Belgrade, so even less money, if any, will flow to the common folk. So, it's not clear what your point is!
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Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Of course, just list the things that you want to be negotiated. For some reason, you always miss that part, which is why it's hard for anybody to follow your advice!
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:06)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!
I don't have to come up with any ideas, dear! You are doing the work for me by providing yourself the argument that rejects your point that Russia has become self sufficient! lol
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For your personal edification, Ataturk was part Albanian. Also, around 1900 the Albanian language had three alphabets: Arabic, Greek and Latin. Despite this, our language remained unchanged. (The Count of Kosova)
Pussy, his parents emigrated from Russia in 1919. To be exact they run away from Batumi city of Georgia. Those were times of the Ottoman empire when word TURK was not used yet. But in 1923 Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian proffessors to write the Turkish dictionary for him. Those were a scientists of Tatar and Bashkir origin who before 1932 collected about 30 000 words that they called Turkish. In fact only 10% of them were more or less Turkic and 90% had Persian, Arab, Slavic and Greek roots. It was a funny detective story and if you make your nick shorter I'll go into the details.
As for the Shqiptars they formally did not exist before 1912 because your grandfathers belonged to 3 different milliets (nations) of the Ottomans. The only nation to where you did not belong was Jewish Milliet-i Ladino. That's why you had to use 3 alphabets. I wrote it several times here but most likely you grant me your POOR COMMENTs without or before reading my comments. Quite a few peoples on this planet enjoy a written history of their own and the Shqiptares are not one of them so they rumors. Besides there was no need in your personal written history as in the Ottoman empire there were no problems with the RIGHT interpretations of the events ...
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@ Alb American - ok, ok..I understand! Just the way you are always fixiated on the Russians and talking about them, it seemed they were your life topic! But ok, I'm assuming you'll keep the Ruskies out of this and focus on us Srbs...Not that you'll get anywhere with that as long as you have the attitude that 100% Albs get everything and Srbs get nothing...;) ain't happening, know what I mean?;)
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@ Rote I admit that there have been some times I have been tempted to reply to you as Hoxha replied to Hrushov and like some serbs here have also replied. You dont have respect for tiny nations because you come from the glory of an empire and the ussr! But then I realized that past glories allow you to be frank and openly declare your policy while our small glories allow us to suck the current winner. Truth is balkans have never decided anything in international arena of politics but we like to think that we are proud people and we count something. Dont expect a change soon in serbs mentality. Fomenko is so humble and simple if you compare him to the balkans academics full of farts and full of nothing. Of course Fomenko is right on everything and its only a matter of time before people start to use their brain. His mathematical count of timeline is flawless and they cant do nothing against him. Nothing and its only a matter of time. Cheers!
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But please remember that Ataturk wasn't father to all of the Turks and the alcoholic was a mortal enemy of the Ottomans. Many parts of their history were changed and an absolutely new language was written in 1923-32 ...
(rote, 1 May 2017 11:10)
rote,
Not true, the change, in 1923, was only in its alphabet, Arabic to Latin.
For your personal edification, Ataturk was part Albanian. Also, around 1900 the Albanian language had three alphabets: Arabic, Greek and Latin. Despite this, our language remained unchanged.
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Watcher, 1 May 2017 16:54)
Oh no no no I'm not worry about you or the russians you got that wrong. You the one Who should be worried about the Russians , ( you know exactly why ). Me personally , I find this site amusing 😁
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Albanian American : even the Serbs don't back you up anymore ...
Serbs NEVER supported my comments linking the Shqiptars in their voting. But Russians are as stubborn as the Serbs are so I don't give up as there must be reasonable people among them. But for the time being they believe that KOSOVO POLE means DROZD POLE despite the fact that they do have word DROZD in their language. They never ask themselves questions that lead to destruction of their legends and their heroic songs and fiction literature. They don't bother to know why so many Serbs have KARA (= black) words (Kara Georgy, Karadjic ...) in their family names? Why their capitol was called Belgrade if it wasn't built of white stones ? What word Balkans mean and who gave this Rus neme to the whole region ? What makes them think that Balkans were a colony but not the Metropoly of the Ottomans where many Serbs had priviledged PASHA and VAZIR chairs ? How came that some other Serbs ruled remote regions of Europe and Asia ? How come that (in Tibet once ruled by the Serbs) the main religious center Shambhala still has it Slavic name of ШАМБАЛА = ШАМ БАЛА = CHAMME BALA = HAM BALA = HAN BALA = WHITE PRINCE while plenty of local toponymals sound not even Russian but rather Serbian? If the say A they'll have to go to the end of the alphabet. And by the way they don't wonder why all alphabets mean the same two letters A and B ? be it Arab/Persian Alef Be or Russian Aзбука or European Alpha Beta ...
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@ Rote Do you know what was the phrase that Hrushov used which made Hoxha decide to break with him? What albanians eat is in fact what mice eat in ussr's magazines. You dont need to develop metalurgic industry, as you could live better off only by selling your mandarines and oranges. This was perceived by Hoxha as a great lack of respect for the heroic people of Albania! Now that metalurgic kombinat built by the chinese did poison half of albanians and destroyed one of our major cities! This to make you understand how ridicolous balkans are in feeling a fake sense of pride. Serbs are no different from albanians on this and in their narrow minded self esteem they are resisting to some sort of pan-russian agenda. Truth is jugoslavians were americans puppets in the balkans and they sucked well till the moment we proposed ourselves as better suckers.
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@Alb American - Don't worry about Rote, you got your own problems. You're so worried about the Russians that you can't see past your nose! Deal & negotiate with Beograd..you might come out with some kind of deal all can live with. Listen to your "friends" and you will be sold out and left holding your "weinie" in your hand, wondering what the hell happened"...ask all the "other" friends the US & West called as such...Your Youth, who are trying to get the hell outta dodge,are banking on you...and all you can come up with is...Russia this, Russia that! Sheesh!
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rote, 1 May 2017 08:39)
Hay fake prof of history, can you see even the Serbs don't back you up anymore. They fat up with your bs . 1999 did nothing, they dropped your plain, killer the pilot did nothing, killed your ambassador did nothing, 59 missiles right in front of your nose did nothing, you are nothing , don't you see how many poor comments you get , most of them from serbs, and what you do, you change your name to albanec. Hahahaha , time for you to be gone. Bye bye
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@count of Kosovo- you're joking, right? You really think Albanians stopped those trucks? Lol..."legends in your own minds"! That's the problem... your " international friends" let Pristina do JUST ENOUGH to think they are in control, to think they run this "country"..funny, if it wasn't so sad!
As for Rote, ask him yourself. One thing he's right about... we expect the Ruskies to bigger Serbs than Serbs""!
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Skenderbeu 44 : Very strange as "ar" means gold in albanian.
Ethimological dictionaries can be of great use in tracing any words though when it comes to history issues I trust none of them. Today I was watching a TV film about Konigsberg and discovered that the word is composed of KONIG + BERG = HAN'S CITY.
Yesterday I was studying the map of both Americas trying to understand why the biggest mountain chains have names other than Rus ones. Very soon I calmed down for everything was OK and Cordilleras sounds rather K-Orde-la-Ros while Cordillera de los Andes sounds not less Russian. Because Склавины + анты were two of our Slavic ancestors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_dictionary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigsberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Cordillera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Slavs
Closest words that I know to your OR (gold) are ZAR in Pashto and some Indian and ZARD in Persian (and most likely in Osmani) languages. But here again we cannot be sure that those are not reflections of two other very close words ZAR/TSAR and Z-ARDA/TSAR ARDA ... Yet if I were you I would seek truth in Turkish sources as 400 years of your recent history was tied to the Ottomans.
But please remember that Ataturk wasn't father to all of the Turks and the alcoholic was a mortal enemy of the Ottomans. Many parts of their history were changed and an absolutely new language was written in 1923-32 ...
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Skenderbeu
My friend Serbs aren't interested in their history if it doesn't meet their current fairy tales. They need only facts that support the already existing version of their history. If you saw the NC site where every year new countries join them the Serbian version remains as poor as it used to be 3-4 years before. It means that not only Serbs from b92 but all others remain deaf for any facts and arguments.
It's absolute idiotism because their true history is really great. The Great Horde was a military Empire so troops were very mobile and very often they had to stay and assimilate in very remote regions of the world. I know at least several such regions where Serbs were mentioned but none of them in b92 ever asked me to tell my versions. There are many states that once were ruled by the Serbs but they don't care as it has nothing to do with their Kosovska Bitka ect.
Even when something is found on the Serbian soil they accept western interpretations as it happened with the old Hordian castle now called Viminacium. So when it comes to history issues our proud Serbs begin to suck. Some of the Shqiptares, Croat Lenard (Leo Ard), plus a couple of guys with Saxon nick names ask me questions but Serbs always stay aside and vote against. Guess Serbia is going to be the last stronghold of the Scaliger-Petavius version of history that everybody laughed at in 17-18 century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture
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rote, 30 April 2017 07:18)
Omg you getting angry? I'm shaking in my boots. Shut up, The only lying to them , 59 tomahawk missiles proved you full of it . 1999. Proved you full of it (Albanian American, 30 April 2017 17:13)
i am a robotot on a war path so i don't get angry
the only thing that really dissapoints me is that
the serbs consolidate you when it comes to history issues.
none of them dared to put me a single question
or to openly doubt any of my multiple statements.
they simply fear to look traitors and non-systematic.
that's what i fail to understan.
as for the shqiptars i see you as victims
though dangerous for your neighbors ...
fear of our revenge is hanging above your heads
for 17 years now and it will fall down sooner or later
and nobody will be by your side
but the Russian troops to save your traitor lives ...
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@ Count of Kosovo - Good luck with that. Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 18:53)
Watcher,
If Kosova could block Russian aid trucks from entering our territory,
what makes you think other Nato countries can't. Beside, Putin is so desperate, he is willing to sell his gas and oil at a loss. Ask rote how many meals a day are the Russian people are forced to give up. Russia is existing on borrowed time.
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The Decan chrysobulls (1321–31) of Serbian king Stefan Decanski contains a detailed list of households and villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania. The first charter concludes that this region was ethnically Serbian.[15] 89 settlements with 2,666 households were recorded, out of which 86 were Serbian (96,6%), and 3 were Albanian (3,3%); there were 2,166 livestock households of 2,666 agricultural households, out of which 2,122 were Serbian (98%), and 44 were Albanian (2%).
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@ dudona- lol, don't hold your breath;)
Good luck with that!
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If Serbs want to join "Greater Albania " they have to change their speech ...0after all they shouldn't be jealous of the Idea of a union of people of the same race
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icj1 : If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.
Russia is №1 in seed exports, this year they expect 30 million ton to be exported. We stopped to import chicken and meat. Moreover we export them to China and Central Asia. Fast increasing exports to China and our satellite states include wine, canned food, sweets, ice cream and many other items. Low rouble and counter sanctions let our agricultural sector push out most western companies. Another advantage is that GMO products are forbidden in this country and we've obtained reputation of organic producers. Italian, French, American and other farmers come here to invest in agriculture that develops at the rate of 5-7% annually. We also catch more fish because greater part of our 60 000 km long borders are sea borders with their 200 mile economic zone ... To say nothing that crude oil gives us 7 times more money than gas. Also our forests began to give us real money while Rosatom contracted USD 400BLN at the time. We fail to make a bike but we make the best space engines and all American rockets use only them. Today Rybinsk Motors started to produce a new engine for our Navy ... It's a long long list that will dissapoint you - trust me we will be the last one to starve on this planet. One hectare is granted free of charge including his family for everyone who starts business in the Far East ...
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
Not a pretty idea any way u look at it, but Srbija becoming " landlocked" by NATO is only a "fairytale ", one uses it when he's got nothing else;)
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rote, 30 April 2017 07:18)
Omg you getting angry? I'm shaking in my boots. Shut up, The only lying to them , 59 tomahawk missiles proved you full of it . 1999. Proved you full of it
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@the truth- for the millionth time, until Beograd recognizes, you a piece of land that belongs to somebody else and you call yourself a "country"!
Its bad enough Srbija doesn't recognize you, but nobody is investing anything into this " country"! All the "welfare" money Pristina gets, the common people don't even feel it, much less see it! At some point, you going to have to realize it's not Beograd that's your enemy, but your "authorities" along with your " international "friends"...a lot of people got rich in Kosovo. And it ain't the common folk!
Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
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@ Rote Did you read the news about the discovery of the pre-Nemanjic Serb state era in the insight section? Cargo transportation of ore I read. Now I didnt know what "ore" means and I looked it up in online dictionary. Very strange as "ar" means gold in albanian. I think this is another confirmation of Fomenkin's theory. Its time for Serbs and for us to face the truth and the truth is we were all part of this great horde. Im struggling with the garbage and the sh*t in my neighborhood's refuge but everybody should read this article.
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Who is this all- knowing genius Lenard ??
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rote, 29 April 2017 05:46)
You are getting old. No one is buying your BS anymore , not even the russian supporters , they lost hope from your bs long time ago, just don't want to admitted . Time for you to go for good...
(Albanian American, 29 April 2017 18:31)
1/ INSULTS ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AS THEY ONLY MAKE ME ANGRIER ...
2/ I HAVE NO COMPLEX OF INFERIORITY ...
3/ I'LL LEAVE THIS SITE NO SOONER THAN SERBS HERE BEGIN TO INTERST THEIR TRUE HISTORY. FOR THE TIME BEING THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE AND ARE THE ONLY SERBS ON THE EARTH AND IT'S NOT TRUE THAT'S NOT TRUE ...
4/ I AM GETTING OLD EVERY YEAR - HERE I AGREE ...
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Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 18:53)
If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve. You are not seriously thinking that if Russia stops the gas supply, the countries that buy it will still continue to make payments! You might want to follow your own advice, dear, and think before speaking!
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An Albanian union doesn't mean one big country, it simply means free trade and movement between the different Albanian majority countries. Serbs are always gearing for war, while their neighbors are done fighting. It's pathetic to assume war is the only solution to things and then wander why everyone has an issue with you. Grow up and realise there's more to life than trying to show dominance with countries that have no intention of going to war.
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Serbs are the most idiotic people are totally clueless what is going on.
Lenard
Lennie-takes an idiot to recognize another idiot.
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The idiot communist Dadic aka tweedy bird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYhNljS5Sug&index=2&list=PL7KdsrJkv90h-hqBH_VjjG7PplDTJ3U4L . The idiot communist Dadic is always trying to drag in Croatia with his paranoia statements. Keep it up criminal Serbs you will get it in spades. Serbs are the most idiotic people are totally clueless what is going on.
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@ Count of Kosovo - Good luck with that. Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
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rote, 29 April 2017 05:46)
You are getting old. No one is buying your BS anymore , not even the russian supporters , they lost hope from your bs long time ago, just don't want to admitted . Time for you to go for good...
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Our first Turkish coup didn't work, but Erdogan will slip up and then we'll get him too. Our war will not be fought will bullets, but with demographics and diplomacy.
(Guest., 29 April 2017 02:38)
Erdogan is an ethnic Georgian from Batumi city with his Georgian mother and father who ran from the Russian Empire in 1919. They called themselves Geogians when they settled in the former Russian city of Ardogan near the border and they called themselves Georgians because TURKS DID NOT EXIST YET AT THE TIME. Also word ARDOGAN means ARDA HAN = KNIAZ OF THE HORDE ... In Turkish Erdogan means Falkon and it's quite normal as Falkon was the family coat of arms of the Rjuricovici to whom ALL THE SULTANS BELONGED. Even thei most famous Pasha Sokologlu known in Bosnia as Sokolovic used this name. Serbs hate to know that they ruled the Empire for decades.
Now tell us of your other fears and pisses. What role the Shqiptars played in the Empire if Albanians were Slavs only?
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You do know that Black Americans were discriminated against thousands of times worse than any Albanian in Macedonia had ever been discriminated against, and they didn't have to go to war with the country they live in to get their rights? Oh, and they proudly wave the flag of their country.
-- See as Albanians we feel Macedonia is our home. We aren't guests or shipped in as slaves, and as such we don't tolerate any discrimination. You discriminate us in our own home, in own country, you will have issues. The Anthem is also a form of discrimination. We were never asked.
They want the Macedonian government to recognize a supposed genocide against the Albanian people from 1912 to 1956
-- This is BS.No genocide. Government organized the crimes though. This did happen.
Stop crying, acknowledge the fact that Macedonia is a country. Learn to live and respect the country you live in. You have gotten so many rights over the past two decades you don't know what to do with them.
-- It is, and we won't tolerate any sort of discrimination in our own homes. It is not a country "we live in". It's our country. There is no Macedonia without us.
God forbid Macedonians try to create a Constitution based off of the US constitution and everything is about individual rights and not ethnic rights. Albanians would shit their pants.
(J's Better Half, 29 April 2017 02:27)
The US has no official language and is a federalist government. You sure you wanna go that way?
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Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants?
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 20:19)
Well, Kosovo or Albania have no intention of attacking Serbia. So, whom are the Srbs planning to meet head on with guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles and rockets?! Some imaginary army that you will send to attack Serbia, dear? lol
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Russia is broke and to make matters worse, the price of oil has fallen below $50/Barrel and all indications say it will fall even further. Furthermore, Serbia is landlocked and surrounded by NATO countries.
(The C---unt of Kosova, 29 April 2017 10:37)
Who is broke ?
These two words are never used in one sentence ! Russia enjoys the longest non-stop statehood that started when you lived in Cacasus ... Idiot USD 50 is a great advantage of Russia where barrel costs USD 10 ... there are no locks that Moscow cannot smash with one strike ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gotTATmBP2g
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@EA - its Mr Watcher, I'm a 45 yr Srb from Banat Vojvodina region currently living in the US.
Lol- I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that?
You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you?
Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 03:42)
In that case, how can one country have two embassies from same country?There are embassies in Belgrade and Prishtina!? That is a proof that we are not the same country, and don't fool yourself with dreams.
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I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that? You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you? Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 03:42)
Well, there are no Serbian Armed Forces in Kosovo due to UNSCR 1244. So, Kosovo is just creating the Kosovo's branch of Serbia's Armed Forces (if you prefer to call it that way, that is absolutely fine). So, Serbia's "two armies" concern does not make any sense.
So, the only reason that remains for Serbia's opposition to the creation of Kosovo's branch of Serbia's Armed Forces is that Serbia is worried :)
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@ from Albania - as always, you miss the point! I really don't care for Dacic myself, what I'm trying to get thru your thick skull is..Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants? What I can tell you, just give some egoistical nutcase" like Dacic some, JUST SOME, little reason to start pulling triggers and see what happens...I'm not heartbroken about them, but for the innocents on BOTh sides, people like me and my family...who just want to live and earn to support family...so get your head out of your ass!!!
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 20:19)
What part of "we don't give a damn" about what you think or what you do, isn't clear to you? if you get scared or not, is not our problem. By the way, Milosevic had tanks,jets and all that but it didn't stop us to do what we had to do. We are not against normal people its you that are against us. Look at your politicians like Dacic how direspectful they are about us and i mean all of us Albanians even us in Albania or abroad. Does this idiot know that there are 6 milions only in the region and is enough for us to split at you and you'll get drowned let alone point our guns at you. You should understand that your time is over, another one is starting. Bye.
pre 7 godina
Paranoid much. Greater Albania will never happen because the Albanians like the way things are. The only way this will happen is if Kosovo and western Macedonia joined eachother, as for mainland Albania less than 20% of the population support this idea. Greater Albania would damage Albania's EU prospects and strain its relationship with its partners in the UN and NATO, including Serbia which have been going great so far. Don't listen to that idiot Rama as election season is around the corner and he needs all the uneducated votes he can get.
pre 7 godina
Merkel is trying to replace our beautiful white race with Africans, and here Albanians and Serbs are fighting over something irrelevant. Eff the EU, our children's future is not safe we are being demographically replaced by none whites in our own continent. Wake up it's bigger than political flexing from Rama and Vuvic. The globalist scum are distracting us from their true agenda.
pre 7 godina
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08 """ - End of Quote.
Comment - The Truth is that you are a Liar and - You will se my Word come to pass.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 20:33)
Arnie,
I'm afraid not, as in 1999 Russia is in no position to come to Serbia's aid. Russia is broke and to make matters worse, the price of oil has fallen below $50/Barrel and all indications say it will fall even further. Furthermore, Serbia is landlocked and surrounded by NATO countries.
pre 7 godina
Albanians should calm down and stop warmongering for their own good....Don't raise your hopes about "greater Albania"...It is not happening...and it never will... We are coming back...sooner or later...but we are definitely coming...and there is nothing you can do about it..Times are changing and you know it.This is the reason why Albanians started panicking and desperately trying to push for this monstrous concept of greater Alb
pre 7 godina
Is not possible for ever to keep a nation seperated , steal them , maltreat , pay their traitors , sabotage their statehood , destroy their property ...this cannot go on for ever . If Albanians don't have an protected angel , will be created
pre 7 godina
Serbs are russian servants and they do what russians tell them to do and they fight only if the russians tell them to do so. We Albanians have been always alone and have survived, now we have some support yes. But you still have russia you have never been alone like us. ok?
(from Albania, 28 April 2017 17:26)
Why not simply say that Serbs are a sort of the Rus people while the Shqiptares are a sort of US lackeys ? Right you are that Serbs always have Russia in their sleeve but one must be too naiive to believe that you aren't alone because you suck directly the USA. It's a dangerous mistake as there's no place on this planet where the USA defended someone and left someone to prosper. Each time that they have to run away they leave a land of disaster and hatred behind. They always come to solve their own problems but not to solve ours. Remember this now that your sucking leaders are actively forming a joint anti-shqiptar front in the region. And wait for the inevitable Russian respond ...
TIMES THEY ARE CHANGING ...
pre 7 godina
@EA - its Mr Watcher, I'm a 45 yr Srb from Banat Vojvodina region currently living in the US.
Lol- I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that?
You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you?
Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
pre 7 godina
J:
You do know that Black Americans were discriminated against thousands of times worse than any Albanian in Macedonia had ever been discriminated against, and they didn't have to go to war with the country they live in to get their rights? Oh, and they proudly wave the flag of their country.
Meanwhile, Albanians cry of "discrimination" because their language isn't official in the whole country and claim that that amounts to "human rights violations."
They want the Macedonian government to recognize a supposed genocide against the Albanian people from 1912 to 1956, yet don't know how to respond when Macedonians ask them to acknowledge all the evil the Albanians did in the late 1800s and early 1900s when they murdered, pillaged and raped defenseless Macedonians by the thousands because they were allowed a free reign under the Ottoman Empire for converting to Muslims.
Stop crying, acknowledge the fact that Macedonia is a country and not some part of a Greater Illryia, Ilydria, Shqiperia, Albania, Dardania or whatever it is you guys want. Learn to live and respect the country you live in. You have gotten so many rights over the past two decades you don't know what to do with them.
God forbid Macedonians try to create a Constitution based off of the US constitution and everything is about individual rights and not ethnic rights. Albanians would shit their pants. The Albanian druglords wouldn't know what to do.
pre 7 godina
Albanians have been ten steps ahead of you this whole time, now they even got Montenegro joining NATO. It's not really hard to believe though as they had Stalin eating out of their palm and now they've got the Americans doing the same. The Serbs really thought Albanians were going to forget the massacres of the Balkan wars and genocidal acts against Albanians. The Greeks are next including the Arvanite traitors and the Bulgarians will implode under all the refugees that will flood them from fake Macedonia. We never forgive or forget, Our first Turkish coup didn't work, but Erdogan will slip up and then we'll get him too. Our war will not be fought will bullets, but with demographics and diplomacy.
pre 7 godina
@"from Albania"
You are either ignorant of Serbian history or too blinded by your own need to project your own falsified history of the "Great Albanian" people.
Serbs have lost millions in wars over their long history in wars they tried avoiding at all costs, but, as is typically the case, small weak nations/people such as "Albanians" for example, have always bowed down to whomever presented their feet to lick while proclaiming themselves as warriors. Serbs do not gloat and speak of starting wars because they know the realities of wars and have paid in blood too many times for you to count too.
Spare yourself the embarrassment and try your BS with people who don't know what a sad and weak nation and people Albanians are. I actually feel sorrow at times like a father would for a mentally retarded son.
Sincerely,
Dragan
pre 7 godina
"The international community did not intervene with a demand to come to a compromise, but to accept an option."
The synchronization of what Dacic says with what Moscow said (in another article on B92) should make it clear why Putin wants Dacic in government in Serbia. The first thing that comes out of his mouth is "It is the West's fault".
"That is why it's important to preserve political stability. Would we want scenes like in Macedonia to happen here?," Dacic asked.
Completely agree, Serbia hopefully has learned from its mistakes but the situation is not similar thank God. When it was similar, much worse happened in Serbia. The last time the "heavenly" Serbs had a significant minority in their country, they went to war to deny that minority their rights. Gruevski is walking down the same path as Milosevic, Dacic's teacher. Denying democracy to hold on to power. In the end it was the Serbs who removed Milosevic from power. It will be the same in Macedonia.
pre 7 godina
@Watcher,
If Serbia attacks Kosovo again, believe me the battlefield will not be only Kosovo or a territory where Albanians live. Serbia attacked civilians in the last war....and Slobo's propaganda did not work...Tell me Mr/Mrs Watcher why is Serbia terrified for Kosovo to have an Army? Really hope will never dare to start a war again.
pre 7 godina
But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08)
you are free to join even the alliens but you will not take there our lands, our graves, our plants and our monasteries ...
one last thing - Slavs are the oryginal Whites/ Beli/ Alba/ Abel/Albions/ Albegoys/Alpine/Elba/Albanians/Ak/ Oka/ Belgi/Balti/Bali ect.
pre 7 godina
@ from Albania - as always, you miss the point! I really don't care for Dacic myself, what I'm trying to get thru your thick skull is..Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants? What I can tell you, just give some egoistical nutcase" like Dacic some, JUST SOME, little reason to start pulling triggers and see what happens...I'm not heartbroken about them, but for the innocents on BOTh sides, people like me and my family...who just want to live and earn to support family...so get your head out of your ass!!!
pre 7 godina
I Quote -
"""YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 14:50)
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08 """ - End of Quote.
Comment - The Truth is that you are a Liar and - You will se my Word come to pass.
Arn.Sweden.
pre 7 godina
Albanians are going for only what belongs to them. Little Sloba forgot what his boss big Sloba did, and that he stood by him until the end.
pre 7 godina
Blacks and hispanics didn't write America's anthems; the French didn't write Canada's; and etc. Don't give me that bullshit. I wonder how many Macedonians, Greeks and others were consulted about the Albanian national anthem?
-- That's not BS at all. You know there was a whole civil rights movement because black people had no say, do you? You know French Canadians through history have also called for Independence (Canada is a federal government by the way), do you? Take all the minorities in Albania. If you fill a stadium I will come and March with you to grant them Independence. You can't just ignore 20% of your population and expect them to respect you.
Why can't DPA and DUI officials fly the Macedonian state flag at their headquarters or their press conferences? They put Albanian flags up but not Macedonia's. This is not a lie; it's truth. They have no respect for the country they live in.
(Honest, 28 April 2017 17:41)
I don't respect the country either. Doesn't mean there should be a war, or federalism. It's still not to late to build a country where there is no discrimination. Have you ever thought, that maybe if people feel the government is not out to get them because they have different ethnicity but rather is there to help them then maybe there would be no need for other flags, and seek out the security of your own group since the majority views you as an outcast? You're pushing people to raise even bigger flags with the current attitudes.
pre 7 godina
The Macedonians stormed the Parliament to deny and illegal vote of Parliament in what was an attempted coupe
pre 7 godina
Part of macedonia montenegro even parts of greece.
arn
You're joking of course.Albanians will be defeated against macedonians let alone the greeks with their formidable war machine.
pre 7 godina
F*** that. I don't want nor do I prefer a conflict with Serbia. I want trade, business and cooperation. Serbian tourists and businesses are all welcome to Albania. Let's build a future of peace and prosperity together, rather than fight and biker like animals.
(Artan, 28 April 2017 17:28)
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pre 7 godina
from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
Watcher.
Dear Watcher. We Albanians coudn't give a damn about his BOSS and MASTER Milosevic. Do you think that we care about little Dacic?.. hahaha
Do you know that Dacic doesnt open his mouth without talkin to Lavrov first? This is how brave he his. Go and ask him , if i'm lying. And you say we're hiding behind someone else..pff how dare you. serbs are hiding behind russia since the begining of time. So please save me the lecture about bravery and dialogue, since serbs don't know what dialogue and bravery is. Serbs are russian servants and they do what russians tell them to do and they fight only if the russians tell them to do so. We Albanians have been always alone and have survived, now we have some support yes. But you still have russia you have never been alone like us. ok?
pre 7 godina
J:
Blacks and hispanics didn't write America's anthems; the French didn't write Canada's; and etc. Don't give me that bullshit. I wonder how many Macedonians, Greeks and others were consulted about the Albanian national anthem?
Why can't DPA and DUI officials fly the Macedonian state flag at their headquarters or their press conferences? They put Albanian flags up but not Macedonia's. This is not a lie; it's truth. They have no respect for the country they live in.
pre 7 godina
@ from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 15:47)
As an Albanian from Albania I could not agree more.
Both sides have suffered in this conflicts and is as if they suffered for nothing or for more hate and vendetta.
F*** that. I don't want nor do I prefer a conflict with Serbia. I want trade, business and cooperation. Serbian tourists and businesses are all welcome to Albania. Let's build a future of peace and prosperity together, rather than fight and biker like animals.
pre 7 godina
YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 14:50)
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
pre 7 godina
"All or nothing" was the motto of some guys who started FOUR wars in ex-Yugoslavia.
If we Albanians wanted "All or Nothing" we could finish off Macedonia back in 2001. Bulgaria was (and still is) more than happy to share Macedonia wth us.
But does Dacic like a Greater Bulgaria and Greater Albania alliance? Because who knows, than we can talk about Presevo Valley and some other parts that Bulgaria is interested in Serbia.
So, better shut up and hope there will be an Albanian-Macedonian Constitutional Goverment in Macedonia and not a civil unrest.
pre 7 godina
The Albanian speaker was a 2001 rebel/terrorist who fought against the Macedonian army in 2001 and was granted amnesty under a Nato brokered deal. He blocked veterans' benefits to Macedonian soldiers because Albanian terrorists/rebels weren't allowed veterans' benefits.
-- You'll go nowhere with this mindset. Here you have someone who fought, willing to discuss and solve things through politics. Second, go ahead and explain why they fought. Macedonia was chavinistic and as the attempt to murder parliamentarians yesterday shows, a good chunk of the society is still chauvinistic.
Also, yesterday, the Albanians sung the Albanian national anthem in Macedonian parliament. Macedonians could not stand for that.
-- One person did that. It's wrong but stop spreading lies. Also since 20% of the population is Albanian, did Macedonians ask them when they came up with the anthem? If the Albanians were ignored, why would they feel the anthem somehow represents them?
Though, there is much more left-wing / right-wing Macedonian political issues as to why the protesters -- some of who are likely paid thugs -- stormed the building.
(Honest, 28 April 2017 15:10)
This is not left-wing, right-wing. This is Gruevski burning the country down so he can escape jail. We have the same type of corrupt idiots in Albania doing the same thing. Asking for the government's resignation one month before elections. Doesn't hurt that both Gruevski and Basha are tied to the Russians; I guess.
pre 7 godina
@Honest,
He was a soldier like the other side. The fact that one of the terms of the peace was the amnesty of ALL parties (same deal offers amnesty to Macedonians who broke the law too), so what's your point?
Was it illegal for him to become a deputy or not?
If not, I don't see a reason for him not to be speaker of the parlament other than Macedonian bigotry.
pre 7 godina
"Albanians are going for all or nothing - Serbian FM"
Stop playing texas hold'em.. mister, do your job properly instead.
We are not playing poker here dear , and stop making threats and provocation towards us. You are not that brave dear minister.
pre 7 godina
As an Albanian I'm not interested in any lands. I only want to take people that say that I want to take all and make them clean my house daily. Ivica you need to clean my toilet.
pre 7 godina
Nikolle:
The Albanian speaker was a 2001 rebel/terrorist who fought against the Macedonian army in 2001 and was granted amnesty under a Nato brokered deal. He blocked veterans' benefits to Macedonian soldiers because Albanian terrorists/rebels weren't allowed veterans' benefits.
Also, yesterday, the Albanians sung the Albanian national anthem in Macedonian parliament. Macedonians could not stand for that.
Though, there is much more left-wing / right-wing Macedonian political issues as to why the protesters -- some of who are likely paid thugs -- stormed the building.
pre 7 godina
Apparently, Talat Xhaferri was good enough for Nikola Gruevski to have him as a minister of Defense, but now that he's elected Head of Parliament by the other party, it's a calamity.
The fundamental issue in Macedonia is the deep division and enmity between Macedonian parties themselves resulting from the blatant corruption and arbitrarity of Gruevski's clique. Being isolated, Gruevski is ready to burn half of the country to save his ass, by inflaming nationalist rhetoric.
Regarding, the agreement to make Albanian an official language in MK, alongside Macedonian; Could the Serbs here be any more hypocritical? Serbs are only 1% of the population in Kosova, yet Serbian is an official language alongside Albanian. Regardless of whosever estimate you take, Albanians in MK are between 25-33% of the population and Macedonians about 64%. The French are 15% of the population in Canada, yet French is an official language. In Switzerland, 22% French, 8% Italian, are official languages. The demand to make Albanian an official language in MK is entirely legitimate.
pre 7 godina
@ from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
pre 7 godina
YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
pre 7 godina
I have read so many hateful and war-promoting news here just in this week toward Albanians that i have not read in one year. What Greater Albania these war-promoting people are talking about ? – if Albanians in Macedonia can't even have a Speaker in parliament !!
Racism ! Denial of the right,… but Serbian paranoia translate it like « Greater Albania », and poison its own people with such a lies and propaganda. Albanians are fighting for rights denial not Great Albania!
For the fear of Greater Albania – Macedonians are destroying their own country – hope Serbia do the same then.
I bet Serbian secret services has to do with it, same as in Montenegro !
The paranoia and hate destroyed you once and will destroy you again !
I'm sorry for Fyrom, i really felt bad after seeing what happened there.
pre 7 godina
I find the situation in Macedonia bizarre, did they honestly storm the Parliament because the speaker of it was chosen to be an Albanian? For Pete's sake, if he is competent in the job, why would his ethnicity matter?
pre 7 godina
sara, 28 April 2017 13:25)
Since you always had fake history lessons , let me educate you with some true history.
We were first , and you were last in the Balkan.
That's why you are land locked
pre 7 godina
Once again Soren Jessen Pedersen has commented and used the opportunity to attack Serbia.Once again he should be ashamed of himself. As head of Unmik he did little to hide his dislike of Serbia and in reports to New York consistently showed bias towards his Albanian friends. In his book....which was read by very few people he showed his prejudice against Serbs and Serbia.Several of his UNMIK colleagues who left the UN have remained in the service of Kosovo since.Shamelessjjh Assistant Secretary- General United Nations retired
pre 7 godina
They will go for all, and end up with nothing. That's how it's always been with Albanians.
pre 7 godina
sara
Go back to siberia slav
pre 7 godina
So let me get this straight. Macedonian nationalist thugs stormed the parliament and beat up deputies and it's the fault of the Albanians? How dare Albanians ask for representation in the government that is supposed to represent them!
Macedonia does not deserve to exist. Split the country up now.
pre 7 godina
@EA - I understand, however don't think the Serbian people will be that easy to defeat! You really think that the Albs "uniting" gets Serbs snaking in their boots? Come on! You really think they'll run and hide? You think they don't know how to pull triggers? Drive tanks? Fly fighter jets? Protect their lands and homes? Seriously? Now, of course, if the "world", should bail you out again...;))lol
Talking, EA, is the only way!!
pre 7 godina
There is never PEACE, CALM, SECURITY when Abanians are around. That is a fact, since the day they landed in the Balkans.
pre 7 godina
"According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded."
Kosovo or Albania have no intention to attack any other country, and no other country has declared any intention to attack Kosovo or Albania. So, whom do they need protection from?! It sounds like Ivica is just rambling...
pre 7 godina
According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded.
-- Another stereotypical Serb projecting his own actions on to others. Serbia is where it is because it always took an all or nothing approach. For a proud country you sure do a lot of complaining.
P.S Gruevski is trying to escape prison due to his corruption. For that he is willing to burn the country down.
pre 7 godina
To Serbian nationalistic agenda everything Albanian is not acceptable, no matter what. Try to solve the problems of your remaining population such as Hungarians, Rumanians, Bulgarians who are not happy at with how they are being treated in heavenly Serbia and not to forget Roma's who are treated worse than slaves in Serbia.
pre 7 godina
Congratulations Talat Xhaferi
Dacic, you're such an idiot dude. Macedonian officials voted an ethnic Albanian to take over as head parliament.
Then you had a few nationalists storm in and beat them up while the world watched and was disgusted with their barbaric actions.
Ultimately this was a great win for Macedonia as a whole. They showed true character of democracy despite the fact some idiots tried to ruin it.
Congrats to all Macedonians and Albanians!
pre 7 godina
"We are a small but proud country" Yes you are not sure why though...:)
Other country shouldn't according to Dacic.
According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded.
The huge mistake Serbia and its politicians are making is belittling Albanians. It is and will be their big problem.
If Albanians are united nobody can beat them....
Rama and Thaci's statements are read in Serbian way....
They criticised the EU in their approach of the countries EU prospective....and if the door is shut what would you expect?
Nothing can stop the unification of Kosovo and Albania if the EU door is shut. 100 %
pre 7 godina
To Serbian nationalistic agenda everything Albanian is not acceptable, no matter what. Try to solve the problems of your remaining population such as Hungarians, Rumanians, Bulgarians who are not happy at with how they are being treated in heavenly Serbia and not to forget Roma's who are treated worse than slaves in Serbia.
pre 7 godina
So let me get this straight. Macedonian nationalist thugs stormed the parliament and beat up deputies and it's the fault of the Albanians? How dare Albanians ask for representation in the government that is supposed to represent them!
Macedonia does not deserve to exist. Split the country up now.
pre 7 godina
Congratulations Talat Xhaferi
Dacic, you're such an idiot dude. Macedonian officials voted an ethnic Albanian to take over as head parliament.
Then you had a few nationalists storm in and beat them up while the world watched and was disgusted with their barbaric actions.
Ultimately this was a great win for Macedonia as a whole. They showed true character of democracy despite the fact some idiots tried to ruin it.
Congrats to all Macedonians and Albanians!
pre 7 godina
sara
Go back to siberia slav
pre 7 godina
There is never PEACE, CALM, SECURITY when Abanians are around. That is a fact, since the day they landed in the Balkans.
pre 7 godina
sara, 28 April 2017 13:25)
Since you always had fake history lessons , let me educate you with some true history.
We were first , and you were last in the Balkan.
That's why you are land locked
pre 7 godina
@ from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 15:47)
As an Albanian from Albania I could not agree more.
Both sides have suffered in this conflicts and is as if they suffered for nothing or for more hate and vendetta.
F*** that. I don't want nor do I prefer a conflict with Serbia. I want trade, business and cooperation. Serbian tourists and businesses are all welcome to Albania. Let's build a future of peace and prosperity together, rather than fight and biker like animals.
pre 7 godina
"We are a small but proud country" Yes you are not sure why though...:)
Other country shouldn't according to Dacic.
According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded.
The huge mistake Serbia and its politicians are making is belittling Albanians. It is and will be their big problem.
If Albanians are united nobody can beat them....
Rama and Thaci's statements are read in Serbian way....
They criticised the EU in their approach of the countries EU prospective....and if the door is shut what would you expect?
Nothing can stop the unification of Kosovo and Albania if the EU door is shut. 100 %
pre 7 godina
According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded.
-- Another stereotypical Serb projecting his own actions on to others. Serbia is where it is because it always took an all or nothing approach. For a proud country you sure do a lot of complaining.
P.S Gruevski is trying to escape prison due to his corruption. For that he is willing to burn the country down.
pre 7 godina
Apparently, Talat Xhaferri was good enough for Nikola Gruevski to have him as a minister of Defense, but now that he's elected Head of Parliament by the other party, it's a calamity.
The fundamental issue in Macedonia is the deep division and enmity between Macedonian parties themselves resulting from the blatant corruption and arbitrarity of Gruevski's clique. Being isolated, Gruevski is ready to burn half of the country to save his ass, by inflaming nationalist rhetoric.
Regarding, the agreement to make Albanian an official language in MK, alongside Macedonian; Could the Serbs here be any more hypocritical? Serbs are only 1% of the population in Kosova, yet Serbian is an official language alongside Albanian. Regardless of whosever estimate you take, Albanians in MK are between 25-33% of the population and Macedonians about 64%. The French are 15% of the population in Canada, yet French is an official language. In Switzerland, 22% French, 8% Italian, are official languages. The demand to make Albanian an official language in MK is entirely legitimate.
pre 7 godina
"According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded."
Kosovo or Albania have no intention to attack any other country, and no other country has declared any intention to attack Kosovo or Albania. So, whom do they need protection from?! It sounds like Ivica is just rambling...
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from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
Watcher.
Dear Watcher. We Albanians coudn't give a damn about his BOSS and MASTER Milosevic. Do you think that we care about little Dacic?.. hahaha
Do you know that Dacic doesnt open his mouth without talkin to Lavrov first? This is how brave he his. Go and ask him , if i'm lying. And you say we're hiding behind someone else..pff how dare you. serbs are hiding behind russia since the begining of time. So please save me the lecture about bravery and dialogue, since serbs don't know what dialogue and bravery is. Serbs are russian servants and they do what russians tell them to do and they fight only if the russians tell them to do so. We Albanians have been always alone and have survived, now we have some support yes. But you still have russia you have never been alone like us. ok?
pre 7 godina
@Watcher,
If Serbia attacks Kosovo again, believe me the battlefield will not be only Kosovo or a territory where Albanians live. Serbia attacked civilians in the last war....and Slobo's propaganda did not work...Tell me Mr/Mrs Watcher why is Serbia terrified for Kosovo to have an Army? Really hope will never dare to start a war again.
pre 7 godina
I find the situation in Macedonia bizarre, did they honestly storm the Parliament because the speaker of it was chosen to be an Albanian? For Pete's sake, if he is competent in the job, why would his ethnicity matter?
pre 7 godina
Part of macedonia montenegro even parts of greece.
arn
You're joking of course.Albanians will be defeated against macedonians let alone the greeks with their formidable war machine.
pre 7 godina
Albanians should calm down and stop warmongering for their own good....Don't raise your hopes about "greater Albania"...It is not happening...and it never will... We are coming back...sooner or later...but we are definitely coming...and there is nothing you can do about it..Times are changing and you know it.This is the reason why Albanians started panicking and desperately trying to push for this monstrous concept of greater Alb
pre 7 godina
The idiot communist Dadic aka tweedy bird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYhNljS5Sug&index=2&list=PL7KdsrJkv90h-hqBH_VjjG7PplDTJ3U4L . The idiot communist Dadic is always trying to drag in Croatia with his paranoia statements. Keep it up criminal Serbs you will get it in spades. Serbs are the most idiotic people are totally clueless what is going on.
pre 7 godina
"All or nothing" was the motto of some guys who started FOUR wars in ex-Yugoslavia.
If we Albanians wanted "All or Nothing" we could finish off Macedonia back in 2001. Bulgaria was (and still is) more than happy to share Macedonia wth us.
But does Dacic like a Greater Bulgaria and Greater Albania alliance? Because who knows, than we can talk about Presevo Valley and some other parts that Bulgaria is interested in Serbia.
So, better shut up and hope there will be an Albanian-Macedonian Constitutional Goverment in Macedonia and not a civil unrest.
pre 7 godina
They will go for all, and end up with nothing. That's how it's always been with Albanians.
pre 7 godina
I have read so many hateful and war-promoting news here just in this week toward Albanians that i have not read in one year. What Greater Albania these war-promoting people are talking about ? – if Albanians in Macedonia can't even have a Speaker in parliament !!
Racism ! Denial of the right,… but Serbian paranoia translate it like « Greater Albania », and poison its own people with such a lies and propaganda. Albanians are fighting for rights denial not Great Albania!
For the fear of Greater Albania – Macedonians are destroying their own country – hope Serbia do the same then.
I bet Serbian secret services has to do with it, same as in Montenegro !
The paranoia and hate destroyed you once and will destroy you again !
I'm sorry for Fyrom, i really felt bad after seeing what happened there.
pre 7 godina
"Albanians are going for all or nothing - Serbian FM"
Stop playing texas hold'em.. mister, do your job properly instead.
We are not playing poker here dear , and stop making threats and provocation towards us. You are not that brave dear minister.
pre 7 godina
@"from Albania"
You are either ignorant of Serbian history or too blinded by your own need to project your own falsified history of the "Great Albanian" people.
Serbs have lost millions in wars over their long history in wars they tried avoiding at all costs, but, as is typically the case, small weak nations/people such as "Albanians" for example, have always bowed down to whomever presented their feet to lick while proclaiming themselves as warriors. Serbs do not gloat and speak of starting wars because they know the realities of wars and have paid in blood too many times for you to count too.
Spare yourself the embarrassment and try your BS with people who don't know what a sad and weak nation and people Albanians are. I actually feel sorrow at times like a father would for a mentally retarded son.
Sincerely,
Dragan
pre 7 godina
As an Albanian I'm not interested in any lands. I only want to take people that say that I want to take all and make them clean my house daily. Ivica you need to clean my toilet.
pre 7 godina
YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 14:50)
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
pre 7 godina
@ from Albania - as always, you miss the point! I really don't care for Dacic myself, what I'm trying to get thru your thick skull is..Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants? What I can tell you, just give some egoistical nutcase" like Dacic some, JUST SOME, little reason to start pulling triggers and see what happens...I'm not heartbroken about them, but for the innocents on BOTh sides, people like me and my family...who just want to live and earn to support family...so get your head out of your ass!!!
pre 7 godina
The Albanian speaker was a 2001 rebel/terrorist who fought against the Macedonian army in 2001 and was granted amnesty under a Nato brokered deal. He blocked veterans' benefits to Macedonian soldiers because Albanian terrorists/rebels weren't allowed veterans' benefits.
-- You'll go nowhere with this mindset. Here you have someone who fought, willing to discuss and solve things through politics. Second, go ahead and explain why they fought. Macedonia was chavinistic and as the attempt to murder parliamentarians yesterday shows, a good chunk of the society is still chauvinistic.
Also, yesterday, the Albanians sung the Albanian national anthem in Macedonian parliament. Macedonians could not stand for that.
-- One person did that. It's wrong but stop spreading lies. Also since 20% of the population is Albanian, did Macedonians ask them when they came up with the anthem? If the Albanians were ignored, why would they feel the anthem somehow represents them?
Though, there is much more left-wing / right-wing Macedonian political issues as to why the protesters -- some of who are likely paid thugs -- stormed the building.
(Honest, 28 April 2017 15:10)
This is not left-wing, right-wing. This is Gruevski burning the country down so he can escape jail. We have the same type of corrupt idiots in Albania doing the same thing. Asking for the government's resignation one month before elections. Doesn't hurt that both Gruevski and Basha are tied to the Russians; I guess.
pre 7 godina
F*** that. I don't want nor do I prefer a conflict with Serbia. I want trade, business and cooperation. Serbian tourists and businesses are all welcome to Albania. Let's build a future of peace and prosperity together, rather than fight and biker like animals.
(Artan, 28 April 2017 17:28)
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@EA - I understand, however don't think the Serbian people will be that easy to defeat! You really think that the Albs "uniting" gets Serbs snaking in their boots? Come on! You really think they'll run and hide? You think they don't know how to pull triggers? Drive tanks? Fly fighter jets? Protect their lands and homes? Seriously? Now, of course, if the "world", should bail you out again...;))lol
Talking, EA, is the only way!!
pre 7 godina
Albanians are going for only what belongs to them. Little Sloba forgot what his boss big Sloba did, and that he stood by him until the end.
pre 7 godina
@EA - its Mr Watcher, I'm a 45 yr Srb from Banat Vojvodina region currently living in the US.
Lol- I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that?
You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you?
Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
pre 7 godina
rote, 29 April 2017 05:46)
You are getting old. No one is buying your BS anymore , not even the russian supporters , they lost hope from your bs long time ago, just don't want to admitted . Time for you to go for good...
pre 7 godina
@Honest,
He was a soldier like the other side. The fact that one of the terms of the peace was the amnesty of ALL parties (same deal offers amnesty to Macedonians who broke the law too), so what's your point?
Was it illegal for him to become a deputy or not?
If not, I don't see a reason for him not to be speaker of the parlament other than Macedonian bigotry.
pre 7 godina
J:
Blacks and hispanics didn't write America's anthems; the French didn't write Canada's; and etc. Don't give me that bullshit. I wonder how many Macedonians, Greeks and others were consulted about the Albanian national anthem?
Why can't DPA and DUI officials fly the Macedonian state flag at their headquarters or their press conferences? They put Albanian flags up but not Macedonia's. This is not a lie; it's truth. They have no respect for the country they live in.
pre 7 godina
Is not possible for ever to keep a nation seperated , steal them , maltreat , pay their traitors , sabotage their statehood , destroy their property ...this cannot go on for ever . If Albanians don't have an protected angel , will be created
pre 7 godina
Once again Soren Jessen Pedersen has commented and used the opportunity to attack Serbia.Once again he should be ashamed of himself. As head of Unmik he did little to hide his dislike of Serbia and in reports to New York consistently showed bias towards his Albanian friends. In his book....which was read by very few people he showed his prejudice against Serbs and Serbia.Several of his UNMIK colleagues who left the UN have remained in the service of Kosovo since.Shamelessjjh Assistant Secretary- General United Nations retired
pre 7 godina
Nikolle:
The Albanian speaker was a 2001 rebel/terrorist who fought against the Macedonian army in 2001 and was granted amnesty under a Nato brokered deal. He blocked veterans' benefits to Macedonian soldiers because Albanian terrorists/rebels weren't allowed veterans' benefits.
Also, yesterday, the Albanians sung the Albanian national anthem in Macedonian parliament. Macedonians could not stand for that.
Though, there is much more left-wing / right-wing Macedonian political issues as to why the protesters -- some of who are likely paid thugs -- stormed the building.
pre 7 godina
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08 """ - End of Quote.
Comment - The Truth is that you are a Liar and - You will se my Word come to pass.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 20:33)
Arnie,
I'm afraid not, as in 1999 Russia is in no position to come to Serbia's aid. Russia is broke and to make matters worse, the price of oil has fallen below $50/Barrel and all indications say it will fall even further. Furthermore, Serbia is landlocked and surrounded by NATO countries.
pre 7 godina
YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
pre 7 godina
@ from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
pre 7 godina
J:
You do know that Black Americans were discriminated against thousands of times worse than any Albanian in Macedonia had ever been discriminated against, and they didn't have to go to war with the country they live in to get their rights? Oh, and they proudly wave the flag of their country.
Meanwhile, Albanians cry of "discrimination" because their language isn't official in the whole country and claim that that amounts to "human rights violations."
They want the Macedonian government to recognize a supposed genocide against the Albanian people from 1912 to 1956, yet don't know how to respond when Macedonians ask them to acknowledge all the evil the Albanians did in the late 1800s and early 1900s when they murdered, pillaged and raped defenseless Macedonians by the thousands because they were allowed a free reign under the Ottoman Empire for converting to Muslims.
Stop crying, acknowledge the fact that Macedonia is a country and not some part of a Greater Illryia, Ilydria, Shqiperia, Albania, Dardania or whatever it is you guys want. Learn to live and respect the country you live in. You have gotten so many rights over the past two decades you don't know what to do with them.
God forbid Macedonians try to create a Constitution based off of the US constitution and everything is about individual rights and not ethnic rights. Albanians would shit their pants. The Albanian druglords wouldn't know what to do.
pre 7 godina
You do know that Black Americans were discriminated against thousands of times worse than any Albanian in Macedonia had ever been discriminated against, and they didn't have to go to war with the country they live in to get their rights? Oh, and they proudly wave the flag of their country.
-- See as Albanians we feel Macedonia is our home. We aren't guests or shipped in as slaves, and as such we don't tolerate any discrimination. You discriminate us in our own home, in own country, you will have issues. The Anthem is also a form of discrimination. We were never asked.
They want the Macedonian government to recognize a supposed genocide against the Albanian people from 1912 to 1956
-- This is BS.No genocide. Government organized the crimes though. This did happen.
Stop crying, acknowledge the fact that Macedonia is a country. Learn to live and respect the country you live in. You have gotten so many rights over the past two decades you don't know what to do with them.
-- It is, and we won't tolerate any sort of discrimination in our own homes. It is not a country "we live in". It's our country. There is no Macedonia without us.
God forbid Macedonians try to create a Constitution based off of the US constitution and everything is about individual rights and not ethnic rights. Albanians would shit their pants.
(J's Better Half, 29 April 2017 02:27)
The US has no official language and is a federalist government. You sure you wanna go that way?
pre 7 godina
An Albanian union doesn't mean one big country, it simply means free trade and movement between the different Albanian majority countries. Serbs are always gearing for war, while their neighbors are done fighting. It's pathetic to assume war is the only solution to things and then wander why everyone has an issue with you. Grow up and realise there's more to life than trying to show dominance with countries that have no intention of going to war.
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rote, 1 May 2017 08:39)
Hay fake prof of history, can you see even the Serbs don't back you up anymore. They fat up with your bs . 1999 did nothing, they dropped your plain, killer the pilot did nothing, killed your ambassador did nothing, 59 missiles right in front of your nose did nothing, you are nothing , don't you see how many poor comments you get , most of them from serbs, and what you do, you change your name to albanec. Hahahaha , time for you to be gone. Bye bye
pre 7 godina
The Macedonians stormed the Parliament to deny and illegal vote of Parliament in what was an attempted coupe
pre 7 godina
I Quote -
"""YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 14:50)
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08 """ - End of Quote.
Comment - The Truth is that you are a Liar and - You will se my Word come to pass.
Arn.Sweden.
pre 7 godina
"The international community did not intervene with a demand to come to a compromise, but to accept an option."
The synchronization of what Dacic says with what Moscow said (in another article on B92) should make it clear why Putin wants Dacic in government in Serbia. The first thing that comes out of his mouth is "It is the West's fault".
"That is why it's important to preserve political stability. Would we want scenes like in Macedonia to happen here?," Dacic asked.
Completely agree, Serbia hopefully has learned from its mistakes but the situation is not similar thank God. When it was similar, much worse happened in Serbia. The last time the "heavenly" Serbs had a significant minority in their country, they went to war to deny that minority their rights. Gruevski is walking down the same path as Milosevic, Dacic's teacher. Denying democracy to hold on to power. In the end it was the Serbs who removed Milosevic from power. It will be the same in Macedonia.
pre 7 godina
Albanians have been ten steps ahead of you this whole time, now they even got Montenegro joining NATO. It's not really hard to believe though as they had Stalin eating out of their palm and now they've got the Americans doing the same. The Serbs really thought Albanians were going to forget the massacres of the Balkan wars and genocidal acts against Albanians. The Greeks are next including the Arvanite traitors and the Bulgarians will implode under all the refugees that will flood them from fake Macedonia. We never forgive or forget, Our first Turkish coup didn't work, but Erdogan will slip up and then we'll get him too. Our war will not be fought will bullets, but with demographics and diplomacy.
pre 7 godina
Serbs are russian servants and they do what russians tell them to do and they fight only if the russians tell them to do so. We Albanians have been always alone and have survived, now we have some support yes. But you still have russia you have never been alone like us. ok?
(from Albania, 28 April 2017 17:26)
Why not simply say that Serbs are a sort of the Rus people while the Shqiptares are a sort of US lackeys ? Right you are that Serbs always have Russia in their sleeve but one must be too naiive to believe that you aren't alone because you suck directly the USA. It's a dangerous mistake as there's no place on this planet where the USA defended someone and left someone to prosper. Each time that they have to run away they leave a land of disaster and hatred behind. They always come to solve their own problems but not to solve ours. Remember this now that your sucking leaders are actively forming a joint anti-shqiptar front in the region. And wait for the inevitable Russian respond ...
TIMES THEY ARE CHANGING ...
pre 7 godina
Merkel is trying to replace our beautiful white race with Africans, and here Albanians and Serbs are fighting over something irrelevant. Eff the EU, our children's future is not safe we are being demographically replaced by none whites in our own continent. Wake up it's bigger than political flexing from Rama and Vuvic. The globalist scum are distracting us from their true agenda.
pre 7 godina
Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants?
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 20:19)
Well, Kosovo or Albania have no intention of attacking Serbia. So, whom are the Srbs planning to meet head on with guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles and rockets?! Some imaginary army that you will send to attack Serbia, dear? lol
pre 7 godina
@ Count of Kosovo - Good luck with that. Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
pre 7 godina
Blacks and hispanics didn't write America's anthems; the French didn't write Canada's; and etc. Don't give me that bullshit. I wonder how many Macedonians, Greeks and others were consulted about the Albanian national anthem?
-- That's not BS at all. You know there was a whole civil rights movement because black people had no say, do you? You know French Canadians through history have also called for Independence (Canada is a federal government by the way), do you? Take all the minorities in Albania. If you fill a stadium I will come and March with you to grant them Independence. You can't just ignore 20% of your population and expect them to respect you.
Why can't DPA and DUI officials fly the Macedonian state flag at their headquarters or their press conferences? They put Albanian flags up but not Macedonia's. This is not a lie; it's truth. They have no respect for the country they live in.
(Honest, 28 April 2017 17:41)
I don't respect the country either. Doesn't mean there should be a war, or federalism. It's still not to late to build a country where there is no discrimination. Have you ever thought, that maybe if people feel the government is not out to get them because they have different ethnicity but rather is there to help them then maybe there would be no need for other flags, and seek out the security of your own group since the majority views you as an outcast? You're pushing people to raise even bigger flags with the current attitudes.
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But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08)
you are free to join even the alliens but you will not take there our lands, our graves, our plants and our monasteries ...
one last thing - Slavs are the oryginal Whites/ Beli/ Alba/ Abel/Albions/ Albegoys/Alpine/Elba/Albanians/Ak/ Oka/ Belgi/Balti/Bali ect.
pre 7 godina
I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that? You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you? Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 03:42)
Well, there are no Serbian Armed Forces in Kosovo due to UNSCR 1244. So, Kosovo is just creating the Kosovo's branch of Serbia's Armed Forces (if you prefer to call it that way, that is absolutely fine). So, Serbia's "two armies" concern does not make any sense.
So, the only reason that remains for Serbia's opposition to the creation of Kosovo's branch of Serbia's Armed Forces is that Serbia is worried :)
pre 7 godina
@EA - its Mr Watcher, I'm a 45 yr Srb from Banat Vojvodina region currently living in the US.
Lol- I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that?
You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you?
Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 03:42)
In that case, how can one country have two embassies from same country?There are embassies in Belgrade and Prishtina!? That is a proof that we are not the same country, and don't fool yourself with dreams.
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Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 18:53)
If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve. You are not seriously thinking that if Russia stops the gas supply, the countries that buy it will still continue to make payments! You might want to follow your own advice, dear, and think before speaking!
pre 7 godina
@ Rote Did you read the news about the discovery of the pre-Nemanjic Serb state era in the insight section? Cargo transportation of ore I read. Now I didnt know what "ore" means and I looked it up in online dictionary. Very strange as "ar" means gold in albanian. I think this is another confirmation of Fomenkin's theory. Its time for Serbs and for us to face the truth and the truth is we were all part of this great horde. Im struggling with the garbage and the sh*t in my neighborhood's refuge but everybody should read this article.
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@the truth- for the millionth time, until Beograd recognizes, you a piece of land that belongs to somebody else and you call yourself a "country"!
Its bad enough Srbija doesn't recognize you, but nobody is investing anything into this " country"! All the "welfare" money Pristina gets, the common people don't even feel it, much less see it! At some point, you going to have to realize it's not Beograd that's your enemy, but your "authorities" along with your " international "friends"...a lot of people got rich in Kosovo. And it ain't the common folk!
Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
pre 7 godina
If Serbs want to join "Greater Albania " they have to change their speech ...0after all they shouldn't be jealous of the Idea of a union of people of the same race
pre 7 godina
icj1 : If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.
Russia is №1 in seed exports, this year they expect 30 million ton to be exported. We stopped to import chicken and meat. Moreover we export them to China and Central Asia. Fast increasing exports to China and our satellite states include wine, canned food, sweets, ice cream and many other items. Low rouble and counter sanctions let our agricultural sector push out most western companies. Another advantage is that GMO products are forbidden in this country and we've obtained reputation of organic producers. Italian, French, American and other farmers come here to invest in agriculture that develops at the rate of 5-7% annually. We also catch more fish because greater part of our 60 000 km long borders are sea borders with their 200 mile economic zone ... To say nothing that crude oil gives us 7 times more money than gas. Also our forests began to give us real money while Rosatom contracted USD 400BLN at the time. We fail to make a bike but we make the best space engines and all American rockets use only them. Today Rybinsk Motors started to produce a new engine for our Navy ... It's a long long list that will dissapoint you - trust me we will be the last one to starve on this planet. One hectare is granted free of charge including his family for everyone who starts business in the Far East ...
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The Decan chrysobulls (1321–31) of Serbian king Stefan Decanski contains a detailed list of households and villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania. The first charter concludes that this region was ethnically Serbian.[15] 89 settlements with 2,666 households were recorded, out of which 86 were Serbian (96,6%), and 3 were Albanian (3,3%); there were 2,166 livestock households of 2,666 agricultural households, out of which 2,122 were Serbian (98%), and 44 were Albanian (2%).
pre 7 godina
@ from Albania - as always, you miss the point! I really don't care for Dacic myself, what I'm trying to get thru your thick skull is..Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants? What I can tell you, just give some egoistical nutcase" like Dacic some, JUST SOME, little reason to start pulling triggers and see what happens...I'm not heartbroken about them, but for the innocents on BOTh sides, people like me and my family...who just want to live and earn to support family...so get your head out of your ass!!!
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 20:19)
What part of "we don't give a damn" about what you think or what you do, isn't clear to you? if you get scared or not, is not our problem. By the way, Milosevic had tanks,jets and all that but it didn't stop us to do what we had to do. We are not against normal people its you that are against us. Look at your politicians like Dacic how direspectful they are about us and i mean all of us Albanians even us in Albania or abroad. Does this idiot know that there are 6 milions only in the region and is enough for us to split at you and you'll get drowned let alone point our guns at you. You should understand that your time is over, another one is starting. Bye.
pre 7 godina
Serbs are the most idiotic people are totally clueless what is going on.
Lenard
Lennie-takes an idiot to recognize another idiot.
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
Not a pretty idea any way u look at it, but Srbija becoming " landlocked" by NATO is only a "fairytale ", one uses it when he's got nothing else;)
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@ Count of Kosovo - Good luck with that. Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 18:53)
Watcher,
If Kosova could block Russian aid trucks from entering our territory,
what makes you think other Nato countries can't. Beside, Putin is so desperate, he is willing to sell his gas and oil at a loss. Ask rote how many meals a day are the Russian people are forced to give up. Russia is existing on borrowed time.
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@Alb American - Don't worry about Rote, you got your own problems. You're so worried about the Russians that you can't see past your nose! Deal & negotiate with Beograd..you might come out with some kind of deal all can live with. Listen to your "friends" and you will be sold out and left holding your "weinie" in your hand, wondering what the hell happened"...ask all the "other" friends the US & West called as such...Your Youth, who are trying to get the hell outta dodge,are banking on you...and all you can come up with is...Russia this, Russia that! Sheesh!
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Watcher, 1 May 2017 16:54)
Oh no no no I'm not worry about you or the russians you got that wrong. You the one Who should be worried about the Russians , ( you know exactly why ). Me personally , I find this site amusing 😁
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:06)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!
I don't have to come up with any ideas, dear! You are doing the work for me by providing yourself the argument that rejects your point that Russia has become self sufficient! lol
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All the "welfare" money Pristina gets, the common people don't even feel it, much less see it! At some point, you going to have to realize it's not Beograd that's your enemy, but your "authorities" along with your " international "friends"...a lot of people got rich in Kosovo. And it ain't the common folk!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Well, if Kosovo were to be under Serbia, that would just add another layer of corruption in Belgrade, so even less money, if any, will flow to the common folk. So, it's not clear what your point is!
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Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Of course, just list the things that you want to be negotiated. For some reason, you always miss that part, which is why it's hard for anybody to follow your advice!
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You really think Albanians stopped those trucks? Lol..."legends in your own minds"! That's the problem... your " international friends" let Pristina do JUST ENOUGH to think they are in control, to think they run this "country"..funny, if it wasn't so sad!
(Watcher, 1 May 2017 13:56)
That might be sad for you, but for Kosovo is not sad at all. If you are trying to point out that Kosovo is controlled by its international friends, OK... Kosovo has no problem with that. Kosovo is happy that it is not Serbia that controls Kosovo.
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Russia is broke and to make matters worse, the price of oil has fallen below $50/Barrel and all indications say it will fall even further. Furthermore, Serbia is landlocked and surrounded by NATO countries.
(The C---unt of Kosova, 29 April 2017 10:37)
Who is broke ?
These two words are never used in one sentence ! Russia enjoys the longest non-stop statehood that started when you lived in Cacasus ... Idiot USD 50 is a great advantage of Russia where barrel costs USD 10 ... there are no locks that Moscow cannot smash with one strike ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gotTATmBP2g
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Our first Turkish coup didn't work, but Erdogan will slip up and then we'll get him too. Our war will not be fought will bullets, but with demographics and diplomacy.
(Guest., 29 April 2017 02:38)
Erdogan is an ethnic Georgian from Batumi city with his Georgian mother and father who ran from the Russian Empire in 1919. They called themselves Geogians when they settled in the former Russian city of Ardogan near the border and they called themselves Georgians because TURKS DID NOT EXIST YET AT THE TIME. Also word ARDOGAN means ARDA HAN = KNIAZ OF THE HORDE ... In Turkish Erdogan means Falkon and it's quite normal as Falkon was the family coat of arms of the Rjuricovici to whom ALL THE SULTANS BELONGED. Even thei most famous Pasha Sokologlu known in Bosnia as Sokolovic used this name. Serbs hate to know that they ruled the Empire for decades.
Now tell us of your other fears and pisses. What role the Shqiptars played in the Empire if Albanians were Slavs only?
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rote, 30 April 2017 07:18)
Omg you getting angry? I'm shaking in my boots. Shut up, The only lying to them , 59 tomahawk missiles proved you full of it . 1999. Proved you full of it
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rote, 30 April 2017 07:18)
Omg you getting angry? I'm shaking in my boots. Shut up, The only lying to them , 59 tomahawk missiles proved you full of it . 1999. Proved you full of it (Albanian American, 30 April 2017 17:13)
i am a robotot on a war path so i don't get angry
the only thing that really dissapoints me is that
the serbs consolidate you when it comes to history issues.
none of them dared to put me a single question
or to openly doubt any of my multiple statements.
they simply fear to look traitors and non-systematic.
that's what i fail to understan.
as for the shqiptars i see you as victims
though dangerous for your neighbors ...
fear of our revenge is hanging above your heads
for 17 years now and it will fall down sooner or later
and nobody will be by your side
but the Russian troops to save your traitor lives ...
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Skenderbeu
My friend Serbs aren't interested in their history if it doesn't meet their current fairy tales. They need only facts that support the already existing version of their history. If you saw the NC site where every year new countries join them the Serbian version remains as poor as it used to be 3-4 years before. It means that not only Serbs from b92 but all others remain deaf for any facts and arguments.
It's absolute idiotism because their true history is really great. The Great Horde was a military Empire so troops were very mobile and very often they had to stay and assimilate in very remote regions of the world. I know at least several such regions where Serbs were mentioned but none of them in b92 ever asked me to tell my versions. There are many states that once were ruled by the Serbs but they don't care as it has nothing to do with their Kosovska Bitka ect.
Even when something is found on the Serbian soil they accept western interpretations as it happened with the old Hordian castle now called Viminacium. So when it comes to history issues our proud Serbs begin to suck. Some of the Shqiptares, Croat Lenard (Leo Ard), plus a couple of guys with Saxon nick names ask me questions but Serbs always stay aside and vote against. Guess Serbia is going to be the last stronghold of the Scaliger-Petavius version of history that everybody laughed at in 17-18 century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture
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@count of Kosovo- you're joking, right? You really think Albanians stopped those trucks? Lol..."legends in your own minds"! That's the problem... your " international friends" let Pristina do JUST ENOUGH to think they are in control, to think they run this "country"..funny, if it wasn't so sad!
As for Rote, ask him yourself. One thing he's right about... we expect the Ruskies to bigger Serbs than Serbs""!
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But please remember that Ataturk wasn't father to all of the Turks and the alcoholic was a mortal enemy of the Ottomans. Many parts of their history were changed and an absolutely new language was written in 1923-32 ...
(rote, 1 May 2017 11:10)
rote,
Not true, the change, in 1923, was only in its alphabet, Arabic to Latin.
For your personal edification, Ataturk was part Albanian. Also, around 1900 the Albanian language had three alphabets: Arabic, Greek and Latin. Despite this, our language remained unchanged.
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For your personal edification, Ataturk was part Albanian. Also, around 1900 the Albanian language had three alphabets: Arabic, Greek and Latin. Despite this, our language remained unchanged. (The Count of Kosova)
Pussy, his parents emigrated from Russia in 1919. To be exact they run away from Batumi city of Georgia. Those were times of the Ottoman empire when word TURK was not used yet. But in 1923 Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian proffessors to write the Turkish dictionary for him. Those were a scientists of Tatar and Bashkir origin who before 1932 collected about 30 000 words that they called Turkish. In fact only 10% of them were more or less Turkic and 90% had Persian, Arab, Slavic and Greek roots. It was a funny detective story and if you make your nick shorter I'll go into the details.
As for the Shqiptars they formally did not exist before 1912 because your grandfathers belonged to 3 different milliets (nations) of the Ottomans. The only nation to where you did not belong was Jewish Milliet-i Ladino. That's why you had to use 3 alphabets. I wrote it several times here but most likely you grant me your POOR COMMENTs without or before reading my comments. Quite a few peoples on this planet enjoy a written history of their own and the Shqiptares are not one of them so they rumors. Besides there was no need in your personal written history as in the Ottoman empire there were no problems with the RIGHT interpretations of the events ...
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rote, 29 April 2017 05:46)
You are getting old. No one is buying your BS anymore , not even the russian supporters , they lost hope from your bs long time ago, just don't want to admitted . Time for you to go for good...
(Albanian American, 29 April 2017 18:31)
1/ INSULTS ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AS THEY ONLY MAKE ME ANGRIER ...
2/ I HAVE NO COMPLEX OF INFERIORITY ...
3/ I'LL LEAVE THIS SITE NO SOONER THAN SERBS HERE BEGIN TO INTERST THEIR TRUE HISTORY. FOR THE TIME BEING THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE AND ARE THE ONLY SERBS ON THE EARTH AND IT'S NOT TRUE THAT'S NOT TRUE ...
4/ I AM GETTING OLD EVERY YEAR - HERE I AGREE ...
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Albanian American : even the Serbs don't back you up anymore ...
Serbs NEVER supported my comments linking the Shqiptars in their voting. But Russians are as stubborn as the Serbs are so I don't give up as there must be reasonable people among them. But for the time being they believe that KOSOVO POLE means DROZD POLE despite the fact that they do have word DROZD in their language. They never ask themselves questions that lead to destruction of their legends and their heroic songs and fiction literature. They don't bother to know why so many Serbs have KARA (= black) words (Kara Georgy, Karadjic ...) in their family names? Why their capitol was called Belgrade if it wasn't built of white stones ? What word Balkans mean and who gave this Rus neme to the whole region ? What makes them think that Balkans were a colony but not the Metropoly of the Ottomans where many Serbs had priviledged PASHA and VAZIR chairs ? How came that some other Serbs ruled remote regions of Europe and Asia ? How come that (in Tibet once ruled by the Serbs) the main religious center Shambhala still has it Slavic name of ШАМБАЛА = ШАМ БАЛА = CHAMME BALA = HAM BALA = HAN BALA = WHITE PRINCE while plenty of local toponymals sound not even Russian but rather Serbian? If the say A they'll have to go to the end of the alphabet. And by the way they don't wonder why all alphabets mean the same two letters A and B ? be it Arab/Persian Alef Be or Russian Aзбука or European Alpha Beta ...
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@ Alb American - ok, ok..I understand! Just the way you are always fixiated on the Russians and talking about them, it seemed they were your life topic! But ok, I'm assuming you'll keep the Ruskies out of this and focus on us Srbs...Not that you'll get anywhere with that as long as you have the attitude that 100% Albs get everything and Srbs get nothing...;) ain't happening, know what I mean?;)
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If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.
(icj1, 30 April 2017 03:24)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:30)
It could be that Russia wants to earn more money by selling gas to others, and not because she needs to buy food. There is a 2013 report that seems to indicate that Russia is one of the countries that is agriculturally self-sufficient.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/1/014046
So while others might freeze from no gas, I think it is unlikely that Russia will starve (from not having food).
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Thank you Kapella the stakanovist!! Very interesting indeed and there cant be a better confirmation for Fomenko than the tiny and heroic nation of albanians I think. And guess what? For Afrodite Leonidas cant explain me nothing Im afraid, while it's just me who can explain to him that this word is entirely an albanian world afer - near, dita - day. Hope you had a good day and now take a rest.
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Skenderbeu 44 : Very strange as "ar" means gold in albanian.
Ethimological dictionaries can be of great use in tracing any words though when it comes to history issues I trust none of them. Today I was watching a TV film about Konigsberg and discovered that the word is composed of KONIG + BERG = HAN'S CITY.
Yesterday I was studying the map of both Americas trying to understand why the biggest mountain chains have names other than Rus ones. Very soon I calmed down for everything was OK and Cordilleras sounds rather K-Orde-la-Ros while Cordillera de los Andes sounds not less Russian. Because Склавины + анты were two of our Slavic ancestors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_dictionary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigsberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Cordillera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Slavs
Closest words that I know to your OR (gold) are ZAR in Pashto and some Indian and ZARD in Persian (and most likely in Osmani) languages. But here again we cannot be sure that those are not reflections of two other very close words ZAR/TSAR and Z-ARDA/TSAR ARDA ... Yet if I were you I would seek truth in Turkish sources as 400 years of your recent history was tied to the Ottomans.
But please remember that Ataturk wasn't father to all of the Turks and the alcoholic was a mortal enemy of the Ottomans. Many parts of their history were changed and an absolutely new language was written in 1923-32 ...
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@ Rote I admit that there have been some times I have been tempted to reply to you as Hoxha replied to Hrushov and like some serbs here have also replied. You dont have respect for tiny nations because you come from the glory of an empire and the ussr! But then I realized that past glories allow you to be frank and openly declare your policy while our small glories allow us to suck the current winner. Truth is balkans have never decided anything in international arena of politics but we like to think that we are proud people and we count something. Dont expect a change soon in serbs mentality. Fomenko is so humble and simple if you compare him to the balkans academics full of farts and full of nothing. Of course Fomenko is right on everything and its only a matter of time before people start to use their brain. His mathematical count of timeline is flawless and they cant do nothing against him. Nothing and its only a matter of time. Cheers!
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Skenderbeu
"pre-Nemanjic Serb state era" is a good combination of words ! You already know that I don't have any facts about any states on the Balkans before 19 century. No states, no peoples only some ethnical legends, traditions, dialects and languages.
What was different in Njemanici period (before 1389) ? Everything was different ! Christianity was the only world religion - no Buddism, no Hebrew, no Muslims yet. But there were two versions of Christianity that much later got names of the Pagans and the Apostolic.
The more I think about it the more I believe that the Serbs were Pagans in 1389 and so were many Rus people at the time. Andronic I Komnenos known in Russia as Андрей Боголюбский + Андрей Первозванный was crusified in 1185 in Tsargrad and Rus fems of the Byzantine launched cruisader war that lasted till 1340 when 100% of what is called Europe now was colonized. This empire is called Roman, Mongol ect. now but in the past it had plenty of other names.
Two parallel Christianities coexisted before 1370 when young Great Prince of the Great Horde decided to put an end to it. Both branches were headed by the Rjurikovici and all saints in them belonged to the Rjurikovici.
What exactly happened that year remains unclear but this date is written on all Serbia, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time. It is written in letters but not figures that was traditional then and it is written inside the nimb of the Savior.
i fall asleep but tomorrow i'll finish.
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@icj1 - No, sweetie, YOU are happy that Srbija is not in control of itself...however, the record breaking amount of decent people "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" is stunning...as for negotiating, lets go back to basic's 101...More than autonomy, less than independence...hows that for starters? Nobody winners, nobody losers. If not, than continue on until the "winds of change" blow harder...oh, and good luck!
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Skenderbeu - 2
"pre-Nemanjic Serb state era" is a good combination of words ! You already know that I don't have any facts about any states on the Balkans before 19 century. No states, no peoples ! Only some ethnical legends, traditions and languages.
What was different in Njemanici period (before 1389) ? Everything was different ! Christianity was the only world religion - no Buddism, no Hebrew, no Muslims yet. But there were two versions of Christianity that much later got names of the Pagans and the Apostolic.
The more I think about it the more I believe that the Serbs were Pgans in 1389 and so were many Rus people at the time. Andronic I Komnenos known in Russia as Андрей Боголюбский + Андрей Первозванный was crusified in 1185 in Tsargrad and Rus fems of the Byzantine launched cruisader war that lasted till 1340 when 100% of what is called Europe now was colonized. The whole world was involved and that war we now call Trohan or Gothic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War
This empire is called Roman, Mongol ect. now but in the past it had plenty of other names. Two parallel Christianities coexisted before 1370 when young Great Prince of the Great Horde decided to put an end to it. What exactly happened that year remains unclear but this date is written on all Serbia, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time. It is written in letters but not figures that was traditional then and it is written inside the nimb of the Savior.
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Skenderbeu -3
This battle is described many times from Indian Mahabharata to the life story of Constantine I The Great aka Great Prince/Han Dmitry I. If you add 1052 years to most European dates you will have the true dating so if you add them to the death date of Constantine I you will find yourself on Kosovo (Cossakovo) Pole of 1389 ...
Thus all 3 (sultan Murad I, emperor Constantine I and the great khan/kniaz Dmity I Ivanovic Donskoy) died at the same time and place on Kosovo field in 1389. Simlpy because they all were ONE MAN. Before 1572 when Pope Gregory introduced his new chronology there were no problems with dating and date of their death was 1389-1052 = 337.
This was the real dating of the Kosovo battle. the sultan/khan/emperor was 39 yers old (not 65!) and he had no health problems but you will find not a single sentence in the Rus history about why and where he died and why the burrial services were held not by the Greek Patriach of the empire or at least by his Godfather Sergyi Radonezhski but by some low rate Archbishop of Trabesund. Most likely he was mumified and burried in the Imperial Cemetery in Giza (Cossack Cemetery)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giza_pyramid_complex
Kosovska Bitka hereby was a routine battle of the civil war of 1370-1415 known in Rus as Velikaya Smuta. It was a severe war of the Golden (Pagans) and the White (Apostolic) hordes both headed by the ruling Rjurikovici.
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Skenderbeu - 4
Han Dmitry formally was the main man in the world because he was a direct descendant of Batu Han (Vati Can) and nobody was going to kill him. It must have happened by accident and that's why both armies immediately abandoned Kosovo ...
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%20%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%201227-1502
It was a critical moment as the Apostolic Whites/ Beli/ Ak / Albanians were beheaded while everybody knew that there was no way that the empire can be headed by anybody else. Guess this tradition was introduced long before Gengis Han aka Georgy Danilovic (elder brother of Batu Han (Ivan Danilovic) launched the Trojan War.
Anyway Dmity's elder son Vasily (Bayazed) went on fighting intill he was captured and executed by Tamerlane in 1402. This date I doubt as I believe that Tamerlane and Mehmet II and Prophet Mohammad were one man. In 1415 the Golden Horde submitted to the White one. Together they moved our to Europe that stopped to pay money (silver Tallers) during the civil war in Rus that included Balkans.
It was a 40 years long war described in Bible (Exodus) and events of 1444, Skenderbeu, Albanian League ect. - all were in the context of that Reconquista. Our hordes reunited and moved forward as the Whites.
Yet there was one more horde (Blue) in Ukraine that later became the Ottomans. They stayed loyal to the Whites before 17 century when Germans (Romanovs) captured the newly built capitol of Moscow.
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Skenderbeu-5
I always fail to write it short because any episode taken from the context (Can's Text) makes it ever more strange for fresh brains. I am hereby to return to your question about the pre-Nemania period.
1. I have no doubts that the Njemania belonged to the Rjurikovici dynasty. Otherwise they had no chance to top any horde.
2. They must have been Pagans coz this branch of the joint religion was dominant before Kulikovo battle of 1380.
3. The two versions of the belief coexisted very peacefully for 195 years (1185-1380) after Christ. Pagan was dominant and was official religion of the empire. So Serbs were conservative ... like they are today.
4. Two parallel cultured were developed. In both versions plenty of books were written, plenty of prayors, icons ect. Many are still available though the church does not explain what other versions but the Apostolic had existed.
5. Russian Staroveri today stand closest to the Pagans though formally they are Orthodox and Apostolic. Even the official Russian church widely uses Pagan attributes like the swastika - the main symbol of the Pagans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers
http://www.kramola.info/vesti/protivostojanie/kolovrat-v-rossii
6. The difference between the two versions was so great that we can merely call them one religion.
7. After that date great changes were brought to the Apostolic Christianity where Greeks Brahmans (their pagan name) played even bigger role.
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Skenderbeu-6
8. In 1445 our Greek Patriarch flew to the Constantinopole where descendants of Prince Dmitry aka Constantine ruled since 1380. It spoiled our relations and in 1453 we had to seize the city. After that our relations with Contantinopole were spoiled only by the Romanovs in 17 century when the Ottomans stopped to obey Rus.
9. The main difference between the two versions was that the Rjurikovici considered themselves Gods too although smaller ones than their ancestor Andronik Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubsky. So they wrote plenty of legends , icons and made plenty of monuments exposing themselves as gods. Today we know them as Greek Zeus (Christ), Aphrodite (The Virgin) ect - ask Leonidas about it ...
10. Tanais was an old Rus/Greek city now called Azov. Tanais means same as Don i.e. River. Prince Dmitry became Saint under this name (Donskoy) during his lifetime (so we can expect that it must be somehow reflected in his new name of Constantine I. And it is as Constantinopole is a composite word of Con Stan Tina (Dona) Pole = Khan of Don Stan (Stand) Field ... with zero Greek smell !
i am tired my friend so i stop it here - cheers !
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Skenderbeu
* You dont have respect for tiny nations --- DISAGREED AS RUSSIA IS COMPOSED OF DOZENS OF SMALL NATIONS AND RUS PEOPLE NEVER USED THEIR DOMINANT POSITION.
* past glories allow you to be frank --- PAST GLORIES MAKE US THINK THAT WE CAN COPE WITH ANY ENEMY. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT RUS PEOPLES DO NOT HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR THE LAWS. SINNCE HORDIAN TIMES RUS BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE WRITTEN RATHER FOR OTHER PEOPLES BUT NOT FOR THEM ..
* balkans have never decided anything --- AFTER 1826 WHEN TANZIMAT PERIOD STARTED IN OTTOMANIA
* Dont expect a change soon in serbs mentality --- SO DO I BUT THINGS MAY CHANGE IF THE SHQIPTARE LEADERS GO ON PLAYING ROLE OF THE TROYAN SHEEP INVOLVING COMMON PEOPLE INTO TOTAL WAR WITH ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS
* phrase that Hrushov used which made Hoxha decide to break with him? --- BOTH WERE IDIOTS PLUS KHRUSHEV WAS ALSO A TRAITOR AND HIS SON STILL HIDES IN THE USA. HOXHA HAD LITTLE MANUEVER.
* Serbs are no different from albanians on this --- SHQIPTARES ARE 100 TIMES CLOSER TO THE SLAVS THAT TO THE WEST. BE IT RELIGION OR CULTURE OR MENTALLITY OR ANYTHING ELSE. YOUR BIGGEST ENEMIES SIT IN TIRANA AND PRISTINA.
* jugoslavians were americans puppets --- ALL BECAUSE STALIN AND THEN KHRUSHEV FAILED TO SEE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO GREAT PARTISAN ARMIES AND THE REST OF EASTERN EUROPE WHO ALL FOUGHT ON HITLER'S SIDE. NOBODY RECALS THAT IN 1939 3 SLOVAKIAN DIVISIONS ACCOMPAHIED HITLER IN POLAND ECT.
CHEERS !
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Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol Not to mention that when you start the sentence with "it could", that means that you are just speculating and not referring to any facts.
(icj1, 2 May 2017 14:32)
I think the answer is simple -- get more money to accumulate foreign reserves (savings), and not because Russia needs to spend it all on food. I note that you did not counter the link that I provided.
Since facts seem important to you, can you prove that what you wrote earlier "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is a fact? Thanks.
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Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol
(icj1, 2 May 2017 14:32)
I think the answer is simple -- get more money to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)
(wells, 3 May 2017 04:34)
Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
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Paranoid much. Greater Albania will never happen because the Albanians like the way things are. The only way this will happen is if Kosovo and western Macedonia joined eachother, as for mainland Albania less than 20% of the population support this idea. Greater Albania would damage Albania's EU prospects and strain its relationship with its partners in the UN and NATO, including Serbia which have been going great so far. Don't listen to that idiot Rama as election season is around the corner and he needs all the uneducated votes he can get.
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@ dudona- lol, don't hold your breath;)
Good luck with that!
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@ Rote Do you know what was the phrase that Hrushov used which made Hoxha decide to break with him? What albanians eat is in fact what mice eat in ussr's magazines. You dont need to develop metalurgic industry, as you could live better off only by selling your mandarines and oranges. This was perceived by Hoxha as a great lack of respect for the heroic people of Albania! Now that metalurgic kombinat built by the chinese did poison half of albanians and destroyed one of our major cities! This to make you understand how ridicolous balkans are in feeling a fake sense of pride. Serbs are no different from albanians on this and in their narrow minded self esteem they are resisting to some sort of pan-russian agenda. Truth is jugoslavians were americans puppets in the balkans and they sucked well till the moment we proposed ourselves as better suckers.
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:06)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!! I don't have to come up with any ideas, dear! You are doing the work for me by providing yourself the argument that rejects your point that Russia has become self sufficient! lol
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:30)
It could be that Russia wants to earn more money by selling gas to others
(wells, 2 May 2017 01:38)
Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol Not to mention that when you start the sentence with "it could", that means that you are just speculating and not referring to any facts.
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Srbija is not in control of itself...
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
If you say so, I trust you that's the case since you are more knowledgeable about what happens in Srbija
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however, the record breaking amount of decent people "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" is stunning...
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
Well, it's not surprising that Serbs are "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" given that, as you said, Srbija is not in control of itself
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icj
Rosatom is constructing nuclear stations abroad and only 2 of them in PAKSH (Hungary) and AKKUYU (Turkey) will cost us USD 33 BLN ... We have a lot of projests to spend our money but we need more ...
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Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
(icj1, 3 May 2017 15:13)
I think the answer is simple – the Russian populace, by and large, will transact in their local currency (i.e. ruble), which is not a foreign currency to Russia. Many countries accumulate foreign reserves (just look at the amount accumulated by the likes of China and Japan!) and so why should Russia be different? Whatever Russia’s reasons for accumulating foreign reserves, it should not be because she needs to use it all to buy food – please refer back to the link that I provided which indicated that Russia is among the agriculturally sufficient countries.
Mind you, I do not believe that any country is self-sufficient in everything. However, your original bone of contention with Watcher was that "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." It seems to me that, when you used the word “starve”, you were disputing about Russia’s self-sufficiency in FOOD only. So let us not deviate from your original point.
By the way, can you prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (i.e. a fact)?
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Of course Russia can accumulate foreign reserves (savings) - I'm glad that you got that part. But the question is, if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? If Russia is self-sufficient, Russia would not need to get more money from OTHERS in order to accumulate those foreign reserves (savings) :)
(icj1, 5 May 2017 03:05)
I didn’t state that Russia is self-sufficient in everything – had you read my last post carefully enough, you would find that I had stated that I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything. I wasn’t referring to Russia’s self-sufficiency in everything, I was referring to her self-sufficiency in FOOD. Please be clear about this.
There is, obviously, a difference between not being self-sufficient in everything and not being self-sufficient in FOOD. When you informed Watcher that "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.", you appeared to be implying that Russia is not self-sufficient in FOOD. Your words “…… will starve” indicated to me that you were referring to FOOD only.
And you have still not proven that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (i.e. a fact). So in my opinion, this claim of yours to Watcher remains unproven and not a fact.
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Who is this all- knowing genius Lenard ??
pre 7 godina
Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Of course, just list the things that you want to be negotiated. For some reason, you always miss that part, which is why it's hard for anybody to follow your advice!
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:37)
lets go back to basic's 101...More than autonomy, less than independence...hows that for starters?
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
Sure dear, but what does "more than autonomy, less than independence" mean in practice? Is it better or worse for Serbia than "Kosovo is Serbia"?
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Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
(icj1, 3 May 2017 15:13)
Many countries accumulate foreign reserves (just look at the amount accumulated by the likes of China and Japan!) and so why should Russia be different?
(wells, 4 May 2017 01:08)
Of course Russia can accumulate foreign reserves (savings) - I'm glad that you got that part. But the question is, if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? If Russia is self-sufficient, Russia would not need to get more money from OTHERS in order to accumulate those foreign reserves (savings) :)
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I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything.
(wells, 5 May 2017 10:54)
Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
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Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
(icj1, 5 May 2017 14:36)
Watcher was replying to your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Viewed in this context, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Watcher was only referring to Russia becoming self-sufficient in FOOD. Because you wouldn’t have written the words “Russia will starve” unless you were referring to great and widespread lack of FOOD among the Russian populace, right?
Despite my repeated requests, you have not provided proof to back your statement that “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Is this because you are unable to prove the truth of this statement of yours?
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I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything.
(wells, 5 May 2017 10:54)
Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
(icj1, 5 May 2017 14:36)
Watcher was replying to your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Viewed in this context, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Watcher was only referring to Russia becoming self-sufficient in FOOD.
(wells, 6 May 2017 01:25)
Oh, OK, so we're not settled yet on the first point...
Well, since Watcher never replied to my statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.”, I don't view it in your context at all! If you want to come up with your context, feel free to do so, but your context is just yours. The only thing that is a fact is that Watcher wrote, I quote, "Russia has become self sufficient". That's what I replied to.
Your speculation that Watcher meant to write "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD", remains just a speculation, until Watcher confirms it.
So, regarding what Watcher's actually wrote on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient", do you agree that statement is not correct? Once we settle on that, we can move to your statement that "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD"
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(icj1, 6 May 2017 18:09)
I believe that the context of the situation in which Watcher made that statement is relevant, to be fair to him or her. He or she could have taken for granted that the statement was well understood in the light of the contents of prior posts. By the way, I assume this too when I post.
It is true that I have been giving opinions (speculations in your words) on this topic. I see nothing wrong with opining. Lots of posters give opinions on this public forum and, I think, so did you.
You stated that I made the statement "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD" . I am unable to find that exact statement in my posts. So this claim of yours is not a fact, agree? LOL
Since it possible that there could still be some misunderstanding about what was posted, please allow me to summarize my position (and we can debate my summary if you like): My opinion is that Russia is self-sufficient in food based on an article that I had come across (link to this article was provided in my first post). Your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” seems to be at odds with the findings of this article. Which was why I asked you repeatedly to prove this statement of yours. Can you prove it?
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I believe that the context of the situation in which Watcher made that statement is relevant, to be fair to him or her.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Of course, but the only context that we can be sure about is what Watcher wrote; i.e. that "Russia has become self sufficient". He/she did not quote any other post(s) to add to that context.
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He or she could have taken for granted that the statement was well understood in the light of the contents of prior posts.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Of course, he/she could or he/she could have not and even if he/she could, we don't know which prior post(s) he/she took for granted.
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By the way, I assume this too when I post.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Good for you! I generally don't, which is why I usually quote the context, before my comment.
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My opinion is that Russia is self-sufficient in food based on an article that I had come across (link to this article was provided in my first post).
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
I'm more than happy to discuss that opinion of yours, but we first need to settle whether Watcher's comment that "Russia has become self sufficient" is true or not. That's because, if the conclusion is that Watcher's comment is true, the discussion about your opinion that "Russia is self-sufficient in food" becomes moot :)
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
(wells, 8 May 2017 01:40)
It's not clear from what you wrote above what the double standard is. Yes, I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any. I wrote nowhere that you should do something different with my comments.
Also, if you want to discuss if Russia is self-sufficient in food, I'm more than happy to do that. But, we have to settle first whether Watcher's comment that "Russia has become self sufficient" is true or not. Because if that Watcher's comment is true, any discussion about Russia's self-sufficiency in food becomes moot. So, not sure what the point is discussing a moot argument (if Watcher's comment is true).
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(icj1, 9 May 2017 13:57)
What you wrote exactly was "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." I am holding you exactly to this statement of yours by asking you to prove that it is true. Thank you.
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
(wells, 8 May 2017 01:40)
It's not clear from what you wrote above what the double standard is. Yes, I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any. I wrote nowhere that you should do something different with my comments.
(icj1, 9 May 2017 13:57)
What you wrote exactly was "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." I am holding you exactly to this statement of yours
(wells, 9 May 2017 14:49)
Of course, and I wrote nowhere that you should not hold me to exactly the same standard I'm holding our dear friend Watcher to. So, your "double standard" statement does not stand!
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If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (You can also admit that it is not true so that we can close the case on this statement of yours).
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I forgot to state that my earlier post below was in reply to icj1's post of 10 May 2017 16:16.
If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (You can also admit that it is not true so that we can close the case on this statement of yours).
(wells, 11 May 2017 01:12)
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If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true.
(wells, 11 May 2017 01:12)
I'd be more than happy to apply to this other request of yours the same standard I applied to Watcher's statement on 30 April 2017 17:06. But we still have the other two issues pending:
1. Is Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient" true or not?
2. Is your statement that I'm applying double standards, a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for myself, true or not?
We can't jump from argument to argument without closing any of them :)
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We can't jump from argument to argument without closing any of them :)
(icj1, 11 May 2017 13:51)
I agree with you! In order not to jump, we should settle the issues according to their chronological appearance. Since your statement of 30 April 2017 "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than the two issues you raised, we should tackle your statement first!
So please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (Alternatively, you can also admit that you are unable to prove that is true if this is the case).
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In order not to jump, we should settle the issues according to their chronological appearance. Since your statement of 30 April 2017 "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than the two issues you raised, we should tackle your statement first!
So please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true.
(wells, 12 May 2017 03:30)
Sure, my statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient". But you did not ask me to prove my statement until 3 May 2017 04:34.
Whereas I questioned Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient" on 1 May 2017 21:30 and you decided to tackle that on 2 May 2017 01:38, i.e. before asking me on 3 May 2017 04:34 to prove my statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve". And that's the same order that I'm following :)
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(icj1, 12 May 2017 14:37)
You questioned Watcher, not me, on 1 May 2017. So I am not bounded by your question to Watcher since I am not Watcher. You only asked me on 6 May 2017 18:09 whether Watcher’s statement is correct. So whether you are taking the chronological order of appearance of the statements or our questions, we will have to tackle your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve" first in order not to jump! Therefore please prove (or admit that you are unable to prove) that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve" is true.
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(icj1, 12 May 2017 14:37)
You questioned Watcher, not me, on 1 May 2017.
(wells, 13 May 2017 01:00)
Of course. So, congratulations for convincing yourself about that since I wrote nowhere that I questioned you on 1 May 2017!
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So I am not bounded by your question to Watcher since I am not Watcher.
(wells, 13 May 2017 01:00)
I never said you are Watcher lol So, congratulations again for convincing yourself about that!
It was you though on 2 May 2017 01:38 replying to my question to Watcher "If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!". I certainly did not ask you to reply; I asked Watcher, but you volunteered to answer that question. Since then we've still not settled whether your 2 May 2017 01:38 reply means that "Russia has become self sufficient". Once we settle that, I'm more than happy to discuss other things that you requested after 2 May 2017 01:38 :) We can't jump from topic to topic, without settling any of them...
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(icj1, 13 May 2017 19:36)
I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote. Kindly let me explain further.
Your exact question to Watcher on 1 May 2017 was "If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!". Your exact question to me on 6 May 2017 (which you reconfirmed on 11 May 2017 to be your exact question for me), however, was “So, regarding what Watcher's actually wrote on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient", do you agree that statement is not correct?” Both of us agreed and committed that it is your exact question to me that would apply to me in your post of 11 May 2017 and my post of 12 May 2017.
My point is that your exact question to Watcher is different from your exact question to me. i.e. Your exact question to Watcher asked for reasons why Russia sells gas to others. Your exact question to me was whether Watcher’s statement is correct. These 2 questions are not exactly the same and require different answers. Therefore you cannot hold me to your exact question for Watcher since I am not Watcher and since we had already agreed and committed to a different exact question for me!
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(icj1, 13 May 2017 19:36)
I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote.
(wells, 14 May 2017 03:01)
Well, yes, I already wrote that "I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any." What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?! lol
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(icj1, 18 May 2017 04:10)
“You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote ….”
Sure, I hold you exactly to what you and I had agreed would be your 2 exact questions for me. Which means no other exact questions for me since we had agreed on only 2 exact questions for me!
“What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?!”
As this is a new exact question of yours to me, it must be discussed last so that we comply with your wish not to jump!
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I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote.
(wells, 14 May 2017 03:01)
Well, yes, I already wrote that "I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any." What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?! lol
(icj1, 18 May 2017 04:10)
Sure, I hold you exactly to what you and I had agreed would be your 2 exact questions for me.
(wells, 18 May 2017 11:53)
Great :)
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Great :)
(icj1, 23 May 2017 13:24)
You asked your 2 exact questions after I asked you to prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve". This means that you must prove this statement of yours first in order to comply with your wish not to jump!
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Great :)
(icj1, 23 May 2017 13:24)
You asked your 2 exact questions after I asked you to prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve".
(wells, 24 May 2017 06:17)
Which 2 exact questions, dear?
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Which 2 exact questions, dear?
(icj1, 27 May 2017 16:03)
The 2 exact questions that you stated on 11 May 2017 to be still pending.
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Which 2 exact questions, dear?
(icj1, 27 May 2017 16:03)
The 2 exact questions that you stated on 11 May 2017 to be still pending.
(wells, 28 May 2017 01:00)
Oh, OK... Yes, they still are pending :)
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Oh, OK... Yes, they still are pending :)
(icj1, 3 June 2017 16:20)
But in order to comply with your wish not to jump, they can only be considered after you prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." since I asked you to do so earlier.
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There is never PEACE, CALM, SECURITY when Abanians are around. That is a fact, since the day they landed in the Balkans.
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F*** that. I don't want nor do I prefer a conflict with Serbia. I want trade, business and cooperation. Serbian tourists and businesses are all welcome to Albania. Let's build a future of peace and prosperity together, rather than fight and biker like animals.
(Artan, 28 April 2017 17:28)
GOOD COMMENT
GOOD RUS NICKNAME OF
ART HAN
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But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08)
you are free to join even the alliens but you will not take there our lands, our graves, our plants and our monasteries ...
one last thing - Slavs are the oryginal Whites/ Beli/ Alba/ Abel/Albions/ Albegoys/Alpine/Elba/Albanians/Ak/ Oka/ Belgi/Balti/Bali ect.
pre 7 godina
Part of macedonia montenegro even parts of greece.
arn
You're joking of course.Albanians will be defeated against macedonians let alone the greeks with their formidable war machine.
pre 7 godina
"We are a small but proud country" Yes you are not sure why though...:)
Other country shouldn't according to Dacic.
According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded.
The huge mistake Serbia and its politicians are making is belittling Albanians. It is and will be their big problem.
If Albanians are united nobody can beat them....
Rama and Thaci's statements are read in Serbian way....
They criticised the EU in their approach of the countries EU prospective....and if the door is shut what would you expect?
Nothing can stop the unification of Kosovo and Albania if the EU door is shut. 100 %
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To Serbian nationalistic agenda everything Albanian is not acceptable, no matter what. Try to solve the problems of your remaining population such as Hungarians, Rumanians, Bulgarians who are not happy at with how they are being treated in heavenly Serbia and not to forget Roma's who are treated worse than slaves in Serbia.
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So let me get this straight. Macedonian nationalist thugs stormed the parliament and beat up deputies and it's the fault of the Albanians? How dare Albanians ask for representation in the government that is supposed to represent them!
Macedonia does not deserve to exist. Split the country up now.
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sara
Go back to siberia slav
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They will go for all, and end up with nothing. That's how it's always been with Albanians.
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J:
Blacks and hispanics didn't write America's anthems; the French didn't write Canada's; and etc. Don't give me that bullshit. I wonder how many Macedonians, Greeks and others were consulted about the Albanian national anthem?
Why can't DPA and DUI officials fly the Macedonian state flag at their headquarters or their press conferences? They put Albanian flags up but not Macedonia's. This is not a lie; it's truth. They have no respect for the country they live in.
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I have read so many hateful and war-promoting news here just in this week toward Albanians that i have not read in one year. What Greater Albania these war-promoting people are talking about ? – if Albanians in Macedonia can't even have a Speaker in parliament !!
Racism ! Denial of the right,… but Serbian paranoia translate it like « Greater Albania », and poison its own people with such a lies and propaganda. Albanians are fighting for rights denial not Great Albania!
For the fear of Greater Albania – Macedonians are destroying their own country – hope Serbia do the same then.
I bet Serbian secret services has to do with it, same as in Montenegro !
The paranoia and hate destroyed you once and will destroy you again !
I'm sorry for Fyrom, i really felt bad after seeing what happened there.
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sara, 28 April 2017 13:25)
Since you always had fake history lessons , let me educate you with some true history.
We were first , and you were last in the Balkan.
That's why you are land locked
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@Watcher,
If Serbia attacks Kosovo again, believe me the battlefield will not be only Kosovo or a territory where Albanians live. Serbia attacked civilians in the last war....and Slobo's propaganda did not work...Tell me Mr/Mrs Watcher why is Serbia terrified for Kosovo to have an Army? Really hope will never dare to start a war again.
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Serbs are russian servants and they do what russians tell them to do and they fight only if the russians tell them to do so. We Albanians have been always alone and have survived, now we have some support yes. But you still have russia you have never been alone like us. ok?
(from Albania, 28 April 2017 17:26)
Why not simply say that Serbs are a sort of the Rus people while the Shqiptares are a sort of US lackeys ? Right you are that Serbs always have Russia in their sleeve but one must be too naiive to believe that you aren't alone because you suck directly the USA. It's a dangerous mistake as there's no place on this planet where the USA defended someone and left someone to prosper. Each time that they have to run away they leave a land of disaster and hatred behind. They always come to solve their own problems but not to solve ours. Remember this now that your sucking leaders are actively forming a joint anti-shqiptar front in the region. And wait for the inevitable Russian respond ...
TIMES THEY ARE CHANGING ...
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Congratulations Talat Xhaferi
Dacic, you're such an idiot dude. Macedonian officials voted an ethnic Albanian to take over as head parliament.
Then you had a few nationalists storm in and beat them up while the world watched and was disgusted with their barbaric actions.
Ultimately this was a great win for Macedonia as a whole. They showed true character of democracy despite the fact some idiots tried to ruin it.
Congrats to all Macedonians and Albanians!
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"According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded."
Kosovo or Albania have no intention to attack any other country, and no other country has declared any intention to attack Kosovo or Albania. So, whom do they need protection from?! It sounds like Ivica is just rambling...
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The idiot communist Dadic aka tweedy bird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYhNljS5Sug&index=2&list=PL7KdsrJkv90h-hqBH_VjjG7PplDTJ3U4L . The idiot communist Dadic is always trying to drag in Croatia with his paranoia statements. Keep it up criminal Serbs you will get it in spades. Serbs are the most idiotic people are totally clueless what is going on.
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@EA - I understand, however don't think the Serbian people will be that easy to defeat! You really think that the Albs "uniting" gets Serbs snaking in their boots? Come on! You really think they'll run and hide? You think they don't know how to pull triggers? Drive tanks? Fly fighter jets? Protect their lands and homes? Seriously? Now, of course, if the "world", should bail you out again...;))lol
Talking, EA, is the only way!!
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Albanians should calm down and stop warmongering for their own good....Don't raise your hopes about "greater Albania"...It is not happening...and it never will... We are coming back...sooner or later...but we are definitely coming...and there is nothing you can do about it..Times are changing and you know it.This is the reason why Albanians started panicking and desperately trying to push for this monstrous concept of greater Alb
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Once again Soren Jessen Pedersen has commented and used the opportunity to attack Serbia.Once again he should be ashamed of himself. As head of Unmik he did little to hide his dislike of Serbia and in reports to New York consistently showed bias towards his Albanian friends. In his book....which was read by very few people he showed his prejudice against Serbs and Serbia.Several of his UNMIK colleagues who left the UN have remained in the service of Kosovo since.Shamelessjjh Assistant Secretary- General United Nations retired
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YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
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from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
Watcher.
Dear Watcher. We Albanians coudn't give a damn about his BOSS and MASTER Milosevic. Do you think that we care about little Dacic?.. hahaha
Do you know that Dacic doesnt open his mouth without talkin to Lavrov first? This is how brave he his. Go and ask him , if i'm lying. And you say we're hiding behind someone else..pff how dare you. serbs are hiding behind russia since the begining of time. So please save me the lecture about bravery and dialogue, since serbs don't know what dialogue and bravery is. Serbs are russian servants and they do what russians tell them to do and they fight only if the russians tell them to do so. We Albanians have been always alone and have survived, now we have some support yes. But you still have russia you have never been alone like us. ok?
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The Macedonians stormed the Parliament to deny and illegal vote of Parliament in what was an attempted coupe
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They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08 """ - End of Quote.
Comment - The Truth is that you are a Liar and - You will se my Word come to pass.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 20:33)
Arnie,
I'm afraid not, as in 1999 Russia is in no position to come to Serbia's aid. Russia is broke and to make matters worse, the price of oil has fallen below $50/Barrel and all indications say it will fall even further. Furthermore, Serbia is landlocked and surrounded by NATO countries.
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According to him, Albanians have taken an "all or nothing" position - "but those who were their protectors have disappeared from the global political scene."
"They still think that some new merciful angel will protect them," Dacic concluded.
-- Another stereotypical Serb projecting his own actions on to others. Serbia is where it is because it always took an all or nothing approach. For a proud country you sure do a lot of complaining.
P.S Gruevski is trying to escape prison due to his corruption. For that he is willing to burn the country down.
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YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 14:50)
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
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The Albanian speaker was a 2001 rebel/terrorist who fought against the Macedonian army in 2001 and was granted amnesty under a Nato brokered deal. He blocked veterans' benefits to Macedonian soldiers because Albanian terrorists/rebels weren't allowed veterans' benefits.
-- You'll go nowhere with this mindset. Here you have someone who fought, willing to discuss and solve things through politics. Second, go ahead and explain why they fought. Macedonia was chavinistic and as the attempt to murder parliamentarians yesterday shows, a good chunk of the society is still chauvinistic.
Also, yesterday, the Albanians sung the Albanian national anthem in Macedonian parliament. Macedonians could not stand for that.
-- One person did that. It's wrong but stop spreading lies. Also since 20% of the population is Albanian, did Macedonians ask them when they came up with the anthem? If the Albanians were ignored, why would they feel the anthem somehow represents them?
Though, there is much more left-wing / right-wing Macedonian political issues as to why the protesters -- some of who are likely paid thugs -- stormed the building.
(Honest, 28 April 2017 15:10)
This is not left-wing, right-wing. This is Gruevski burning the country down so he can escape jail. We have the same type of corrupt idiots in Albania doing the same thing. Asking for the government's resignation one month before elections. Doesn't hurt that both Gruevski and Basha are tied to the Russians; I guess.
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I find the situation in Macedonia bizarre, did they honestly storm the Parliament because the speaker of it was chosen to be an Albanian? For Pete's sake, if he is competent in the job, why would his ethnicity matter?
pre 7 godina
"Albanians are going for all or nothing - Serbian FM"
Stop playing texas hold'em.. mister, do your job properly instead.
We are not playing poker here dear , and stop making threats and provocation towards us. You are not that brave dear minister.
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Apparently, Talat Xhaferri was good enough for Nikola Gruevski to have him as a minister of Defense, but now that he's elected Head of Parliament by the other party, it's a calamity.
The fundamental issue in Macedonia is the deep division and enmity between Macedonian parties themselves resulting from the blatant corruption and arbitrarity of Gruevski's clique. Being isolated, Gruevski is ready to burn half of the country to save his ass, by inflaming nationalist rhetoric.
Regarding, the agreement to make Albanian an official language in MK, alongside Macedonian; Could the Serbs here be any more hypocritical? Serbs are only 1% of the population in Kosova, yet Serbian is an official language alongside Albanian. Regardless of whosever estimate you take, Albanians in MK are between 25-33% of the population and Macedonians about 64%. The French are 15% of the population in Canada, yet French is an official language. In Switzerland, 22% French, 8% Italian, are official languages. The demand to make Albanian an official language in MK is entirely legitimate.
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J:
You do know that Black Americans were discriminated against thousands of times worse than any Albanian in Macedonia had ever been discriminated against, and they didn't have to go to war with the country they live in to get their rights? Oh, and they proudly wave the flag of their country.
Meanwhile, Albanians cry of "discrimination" because their language isn't official in the whole country and claim that that amounts to "human rights violations."
They want the Macedonian government to recognize a supposed genocide against the Albanian people from 1912 to 1956, yet don't know how to respond when Macedonians ask them to acknowledge all the evil the Albanians did in the late 1800s and early 1900s when they murdered, pillaged and raped defenseless Macedonians by the thousands because they were allowed a free reign under the Ottoman Empire for converting to Muslims.
Stop crying, acknowledge the fact that Macedonia is a country and not some part of a Greater Illryia, Ilydria, Shqiperia, Albania, Dardania or whatever it is you guys want. Learn to live and respect the country you live in. You have gotten so many rights over the past two decades you don't know what to do with them.
God forbid Macedonians try to create a Constitution based off of the US constitution and everything is about individual rights and not ethnic rights. Albanians would shit their pants. The Albanian druglords wouldn't know what to do.
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Albanians have been ten steps ahead of you this whole time, now they even got Montenegro joining NATO. It's not really hard to believe though as they had Stalin eating out of their palm and now they've got the Americans doing the same. The Serbs really thought Albanians were going to forget the massacres of the Balkan wars and genocidal acts against Albanians. The Greeks are next including the Arvanite traitors and the Bulgarians will implode under all the refugees that will flood them from fake Macedonia. We never forgive or forget, Our first Turkish coup didn't work, but Erdogan will slip up and then we'll get him too. Our war will not be fought will bullets, but with demographics and diplomacy.
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@ from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
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"All or nothing" was the motto of some guys who started FOUR wars in ex-Yugoslavia.
If we Albanians wanted "All or Nothing" we could finish off Macedonia back in 2001. Bulgaria was (and still is) more than happy to share Macedonia wth us.
But does Dacic like a Greater Bulgaria and Greater Albania alliance? Because who knows, than we can talk about Presevo Valley and some other parts that Bulgaria is interested in Serbia.
So, better shut up and hope there will be an Albanian-Macedonian Constitutional Goverment in Macedonia and not a civil unrest.
pre 7 godina
Albanians are going for only what belongs to them. Little Sloba forgot what his boss big Sloba did, and that he stood by him until the end.
pre 7 godina
"The international community did not intervene with a demand to come to a compromise, but to accept an option."
The synchronization of what Dacic says with what Moscow said (in another article on B92) should make it clear why Putin wants Dacic in government in Serbia. The first thing that comes out of his mouth is "It is the West's fault".
"That is why it's important to preserve political stability. Would we want scenes like in Macedonia to happen here?," Dacic asked.
Completely agree, Serbia hopefully has learned from its mistakes but the situation is not similar thank God. When it was similar, much worse happened in Serbia. The last time the "heavenly" Serbs had a significant minority in their country, they went to war to deny that minority their rights. Gruevski is walking down the same path as Milosevic, Dacic's teacher. Denying democracy to hold on to power. In the end it was the Serbs who removed Milosevic from power. It will be the same in Macedonia.
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@"from Albania"
You are either ignorant of Serbian history or too blinded by your own need to project your own falsified history of the "Great Albanian" people.
Serbs have lost millions in wars over their long history in wars they tried avoiding at all costs, but, as is typically the case, small weak nations/people such as "Albanians" for example, have always bowed down to whomever presented their feet to lick while proclaiming themselves as warriors. Serbs do not gloat and speak of starting wars because they know the realities of wars and have paid in blood too many times for you to count too.
Spare yourself the embarrassment and try your BS with people who don't know what a sad and weak nation and people Albanians are. I actually feel sorrow at times like a father would for a mentally retarded son.
Sincerely,
Dragan
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Russia is broke and to make matters worse, the price of oil has fallen below $50/Barrel and all indications say it will fall even further. Furthermore, Serbia is landlocked and surrounded by NATO countries.
(The C---unt of Kosova, 29 April 2017 10:37)
Who is broke ?
These two words are never used in one sentence ! Russia enjoys the longest non-stop statehood that started when you lived in Cacasus ... Idiot USD 50 is a great advantage of Russia where barrel costs USD 10 ... there are no locks that Moscow cannot smash with one strike ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gotTATmBP2g
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Serbs are the most idiotic people are totally clueless what is going on.
Lenard
Lennie-takes an idiot to recognize another idiot.
pre 7 godina
As an Albanian I'm not interested in any lands. I only want to take people that say that I want to take all and make them clean my house daily. Ivica you need to clean my toilet.
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@Honest,
He was a soldier like the other side. The fact that one of the terms of the peace was the amnesty of ALL parties (same deal offers amnesty to Macedonians who broke the law too), so what's your point?
Was it illegal for him to become a deputy or not?
If not, I don't see a reason for him not to be speaker of the parlament other than Macedonian bigotry.
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@ from Albania - as always, you miss the point! I really don't care for Dacic myself, what I'm trying to get thru your thick skull is..Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants? What I can tell you, just give some egoistical nutcase" like Dacic some, JUST SOME, little reason to start pulling triggers and see what happens...I'm not heartbroken about them, but for the innocents on BOTh sides, people like me and my family...who just want to live and earn to support family...so get your head out of your ass!!!
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I Quote -
"""YES - YES- and - YES !!! - I Think - Albania will try to - "TAKE ALL".
They will come for Kosovo,
part of Macedonia and Monte Negro and,
even a part of Greece.
Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 28 April 2017 14:50)
They can't take Kosova , as well as Serbia can't take Kosova. But, we join a union with Albania since we are Albanians.
(the truth, 28 April 2017 16:08 """ - End of Quote.
Comment - The Truth is that you are a Liar and - You will se my Word come to pass.
Arn.Sweden.
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@EA - its Mr Watcher, I'm a 45 yr Srb from Banat Vojvodina region currently living in the US.
Lol- I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that?
You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you?
Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
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Our first Turkish coup didn't work, but Erdogan will slip up and then we'll get him too. Our war will not be fought will bullets, but with demographics and diplomacy.
(Guest., 29 April 2017 02:38)
Erdogan is an ethnic Georgian from Batumi city with his Georgian mother and father who ran from the Russian Empire in 1919. They called themselves Geogians when they settled in the former Russian city of Ardogan near the border and they called themselves Georgians because TURKS DID NOT EXIST YET AT THE TIME. Also word ARDOGAN means ARDA HAN = KNIAZ OF THE HORDE ... In Turkish Erdogan means Falkon and it's quite normal as Falkon was the family coat of arms of the Rjuricovici to whom ALL THE SULTANS BELONGED. Even thei most famous Pasha Sokologlu known in Bosnia as Sokolovic used this name. Serbs hate to know that they ruled the Empire for decades.
Now tell us of your other fears and pisses. What role the Shqiptars played in the Empire if Albanians were Slavs only?
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rote, 29 April 2017 05:46)
You are getting old. No one is buying your BS anymore , not even the russian supporters , they lost hope from your bs long time ago, just don't want to admitted . Time for you to go for good...
(Albanian American, 29 April 2017 18:31)
1/ INSULTS ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE AS THEY ONLY MAKE ME ANGRIER ...
2/ I HAVE NO COMPLEX OF INFERIORITY ...
3/ I'LL LEAVE THIS SITE NO SOONER THAN SERBS HERE BEGIN TO INTERST THEIR TRUE HISTORY. FOR THE TIME BEING THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE AND ARE THE ONLY SERBS ON THE EARTH AND IT'S NOT TRUE THAT'S NOT TRUE ...
4/ I AM GETTING OLD EVERY YEAR - HERE I AGREE ...
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icj1 : If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.
Russia is №1 in seed exports, this year they expect 30 million ton to be exported. We stopped to import chicken and meat. Moreover we export them to China and Central Asia. Fast increasing exports to China and our satellite states include wine, canned food, sweets, ice cream and many other items. Low rouble and counter sanctions let our agricultural sector push out most western companies. Another advantage is that GMO products are forbidden in this country and we've obtained reputation of organic producers. Italian, French, American and other farmers come here to invest in agriculture that develops at the rate of 5-7% annually. We also catch more fish because greater part of our 60 000 km long borders are sea borders with their 200 mile economic zone ... To say nothing that crude oil gives us 7 times more money than gas. Also our forests began to give us real money while Rosatom contracted USD 400BLN at the time. We fail to make a bike but we make the best space engines and all American rockets use only them. Today Rybinsk Motors started to produce a new engine for our Navy ... It's a long long list that will dissapoint you - trust me we will be the last one to starve on this planet. One hectare is granted free of charge including his family for everyone who starts business in the Far East ...
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@ from Albania - lol, you speak about "brave" and challenge Dacic from behind your masters apron? Now that's funny;) I think Dacic would "love" to show you how brave he is;)...not that I'm a supporter of Dacic, but damn dude, how could you be such a hypocrite!Quit talking crap and negotiate with Beograd so our children can work & grow together...instead you're all about "my dad can beat up your dad, haha"...You can't see what's going on? World business and leaders are working & investing into Srbija and you're play with your childrens future by "challenging Dacic?" Glory of Greater Albania? Ask your children if they're interested in that? Holy Cow!!!
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 15:47)
As an Albanian from Albania I could not agree more.
Both sides have suffered in this conflicts and is as if they suffered for nothing or for more hate and vendetta.
F*** that. I don't want nor do I prefer a conflict with Serbia. I want trade, business and cooperation. Serbian tourists and businesses are all welcome to Albania. Let's build a future of peace and prosperity together, rather than fight and biker like animals.
pre 7 godina
Is not possible for ever to keep a nation seperated , steal them , maltreat , pay their traitors , sabotage their statehood , destroy their property ...this cannot go on for ever . If Albanians don't have an protected angel , will be created
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For your personal edification, Ataturk was part Albanian. Also, around 1900 the Albanian language had three alphabets: Arabic, Greek and Latin. Despite this, our language remained unchanged. (The Count of Kosova)
Pussy, his parents emigrated from Russia in 1919. To be exact they run away from Batumi city of Georgia. Those were times of the Ottoman empire when word TURK was not used yet. But in 1923 Mustafa Kemal invited two Russian proffessors to write the Turkish dictionary for him. Those were a scientists of Tatar and Bashkir origin who before 1932 collected about 30 000 words that they called Turkish. In fact only 10% of them were more or less Turkic and 90% had Persian, Arab, Slavic and Greek roots. It was a funny detective story and if you make your nick shorter I'll go into the details.
As for the Shqiptars they formally did not exist before 1912 because your grandfathers belonged to 3 different milliets (nations) of the Ottomans. The only nation to where you did not belong was Jewish Milliet-i Ladino. That's why you had to use 3 alphabets. I wrote it several times here but most likely you grant me your POOR COMMENTs without or before reading my comments. Quite a few peoples on this planet enjoy a written history of their own and the Shqiptares are not one of them so they rumors. Besides there was no need in your personal written history as in the Ottoman empire there were no problems with the RIGHT interpretations of the events ...
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rote, 29 April 2017 05:46)
You are getting old. No one is buying your BS anymore , not even the russian supporters , they lost hope from your bs long time ago, just don't want to admitted . Time for you to go for good...
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@ Count of Kosovo - Good luck with that. Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
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Who is this all- knowing genius Lenard ??
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rote, 30 April 2017 07:18)
Omg you getting angry? I'm shaking in my boots. Shut up, The only lying to them , 59 tomahawk missiles proved you full of it . 1999. Proved you full of it
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If Serbs want to join "Greater Albania " they have to change their speech ...0after all they shouldn't be jealous of the Idea of a union of people of the same race
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@ Count of Kosovo - Good luck with that. Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 18:53)
Watcher,
If Kosova could block Russian aid trucks from entering our territory,
what makes you think other Nato countries can't. Beside, Putin is so desperate, he is willing to sell his gas and oil at a loss. Ask rote how many meals a day are the Russian people are forced to give up. Russia is existing on borrowed time.
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Nikolle:
The Albanian speaker was a 2001 rebel/terrorist who fought against the Macedonian army in 2001 and was granted amnesty under a Nato brokered deal. He blocked veterans' benefits to Macedonian soldiers because Albanian terrorists/rebels weren't allowed veterans' benefits.
Also, yesterday, the Albanians sung the Albanian national anthem in Macedonian parliament. Macedonians could not stand for that.
Though, there is much more left-wing / right-wing Macedonian political issues as to why the protesters -- some of who are likely paid thugs -- stormed the building.
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Any country surrounding Srbija is going to tell Putin "no, you can't get thru"...and then expect not to freeze during winter? You're so silly;) Think before speaking!
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 18:53)
If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve. You are not seriously thinking that if Russia stops the gas supply, the countries that buy it will still continue to make payments! You might want to follow your own advice, dear, and think before speaking!
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Skenderbeu
My friend Serbs aren't interested in their history if it doesn't meet their current fairy tales. They need only facts that support the already existing version of their history. If you saw the NC site where every year new countries join them the Serbian version remains as poor as it used to be 3-4 years before. It means that not only Serbs from b92 but all others remain deaf for any facts and arguments.
It's absolute idiotism because their true history is really great. The Great Horde was a military Empire so troops were very mobile and very often they had to stay and assimilate in very remote regions of the world. I know at least several such regions where Serbs were mentioned but none of them in b92 ever asked me to tell my versions. There are many states that once were ruled by the Serbs but they don't care as it has nothing to do with their Kosovska Bitka ect.
Even when something is found on the Serbian soil they accept western interpretations as it happened with the old Hordian castle now called Viminacium. So when it comes to history issues our proud Serbs begin to suck. Some of the Shqiptares, Croat Lenard (Leo Ard), plus a couple of guys with Saxon nick names ask me questions but Serbs always stay aside and vote against. Guess Serbia is going to be the last stronghold of the Scaliger-Petavius version of history that everybody laughed at in 17-18 century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Historical_Account_of_Two_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture
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Blacks and hispanics didn't write America's anthems; the French didn't write Canada's; and etc. Don't give me that bullshit. I wonder how many Macedonians, Greeks and others were consulted about the Albanian national anthem?
-- That's not BS at all. You know there was a whole civil rights movement because black people had no say, do you? You know French Canadians through history have also called for Independence (Canada is a federal government by the way), do you? Take all the minorities in Albania. If you fill a stadium I will come and March with you to grant them Independence. You can't just ignore 20% of your population and expect them to respect you.
Why can't DPA and DUI officials fly the Macedonian state flag at their headquarters or their press conferences? They put Albanian flags up but not Macedonia's. This is not a lie; it's truth. They have no respect for the country they live in.
(Honest, 28 April 2017 17:41)
I don't respect the country either. Doesn't mean there should be a war, or federalism. It's still not to late to build a country where there is no discrimination. Have you ever thought, that maybe if people feel the government is not out to get them because they have different ethnicity but rather is there to help them then maybe there would be no need for other flags, and seek out the security of your own group since the majority views you as an outcast? You're pushing people to raise even bigger flags with the current attitudes.
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Paranoid much. Greater Albania will never happen because the Albanians like the way things are. The only way this will happen is if Kosovo and western Macedonia joined eachother, as for mainland Albania less than 20% of the population support this idea. Greater Albania would damage Albania's EU prospects and strain its relationship with its partners in the UN and NATO, including Serbia which have been going great so far. Don't listen to that idiot Rama as election season is around the corner and he needs all the uneducated votes he can get.
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An Albanian union doesn't mean one big country, it simply means free trade and movement between the different Albanian majority countries. Serbs are always gearing for war, while their neighbors are done fighting. It's pathetic to assume war is the only solution to things and then wander why everyone has an issue with you. Grow up and realise there's more to life than trying to show dominance with countries that have no intention of going to war.
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rote, 30 April 2017 07:18)
Omg you getting angry? I'm shaking in my boots. Shut up, The only lying to them , 59 tomahawk missiles proved you full of it . 1999. Proved you full of it (Albanian American, 30 April 2017 17:13)
i am a robotot on a war path so i don't get angry
the only thing that really dissapoints me is that
the serbs consolidate you when it comes to history issues.
none of them dared to put me a single question
or to openly doubt any of my multiple statements.
they simply fear to look traitors and non-systematic.
that's what i fail to understan.
as for the shqiptars i see you as victims
though dangerous for your neighbors ...
fear of our revenge is hanging above your heads
for 17 years now and it will fall down sooner or later
and nobody will be by your side
but the Russian troops to save your traitor lives ...
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Skenderbeu 44 : Very strange as "ar" means gold in albanian.
Ethimological dictionaries can be of great use in tracing any words though when it comes to history issues I trust none of them. Today I was watching a TV film about Konigsberg and discovered that the word is composed of KONIG + BERG = HAN'S CITY.
Yesterday I was studying the map of both Americas trying to understand why the biggest mountain chains have names other than Rus ones. Very soon I calmed down for everything was OK and Cordilleras sounds rather K-Orde-la-Ros while Cordillera de los Andes sounds not less Russian. Because Склавины + анты were two of our Slavic ancestors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_dictionary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigsberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Cordillera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Slavs
Closest words that I know to your OR (gold) are ZAR in Pashto and some Indian and ZARD in Persian (and most likely in Osmani) languages. But here again we cannot be sure that those are not reflections of two other very close words ZAR/TSAR and Z-ARDA/TSAR ARDA ... Yet if I were you I would seek truth in Turkish sources as 400 years of your recent history was tied to the Ottomans.
But please remember that Ataturk wasn't father to all of the Turks and the alcoholic was a mortal enemy of the Ottomans. Many parts of their history were changed and an absolutely new language was written in 1923-32 ...
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Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants?
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 20:19)
Well, Kosovo or Albania have no intention of attacking Serbia. So, whom are the Srbs planning to meet head on with guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles and rockets?! Some imaginary army that you will send to attack Serbia, dear? lol
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You do know that Black Americans were discriminated against thousands of times worse than any Albanian in Macedonia had ever been discriminated against, and they didn't have to go to war with the country they live in to get their rights? Oh, and they proudly wave the flag of their country.
-- See as Albanians we feel Macedonia is our home. We aren't guests or shipped in as slaves, and as such we don't tolerate any discrimination. You discriminate us in our own home, in own country, you will have issues. The Anthem is also a form of discrimination. We were never asked.
They want the Macedonian government to recognize a supposed genocide against the Albanian people from 1912 to 1956
-- This is BS.No genocide. Government organized the crimes though. This did happen.
Stop crying, acknowledge the fact that Macedonia is a country. Learn to live and respect the country you live in. You have gotten so many rights over the past two decades you don't know what to do with them.
-- It is, and we won't tolerate any sort of discrimination in our own homes. It is not a country "we live in". It's our country. There is no Macedonia without us.
God forbid Macedonians try to create a Constitution based off of the US constitution and everything is about individual rights and not ethnic rights. Albanians would shit their pants.
(J's Better Half, 29 April 2017 02:27)
The US has no official language and is a federalist government. You sure you wanna go that way?
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The Decan chrysobulls (1321–31) of Serbian king Stefan Decanski contains a detailed list of households and villages in Metohija and northwestern Albania. The first charter concludes that this region was ethnically Serbian.[15] 89 settlements with 2,666 households were recorded, out of which 86 were Serbian (96,6%), and 3 were Albanian (3,3%); there were 2,166 livestock households of 2,666 agricultural households, out of which 2,122 were Serbian (98%), and 44 were Albanian (2%).
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@ Rote Do you know what was the phrase that Hrushov used which made Hoxha decide to break with him? What albanians eat is in fact what mice eat in ussr's magazines. You dont need to develop metalurgic industry, as you could live better off only by selling your mandarines and oranges. This was perceived by Hoxha as a great lack of respect for the heroic people of Albania! Now that metalurgic kombinat built by the chinese did poison half of albanians and destroyed one of our major cities! This to make you understand how ridicolous balkans are in feeling a fake sense of pride. Serbs are no different from albanians on this and in their narrow minded self esteem they are resisting to some sort of pan-russian agenda. Truth is jugoslavians were americans puppets in the balkans and they sucked well till the moment we proposed ourselves as better suckers.
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Albanian American : even the Serbs don't back you up anymore ...
Serbs NEVER supported my comments linking the Shqiptars in their voting. But Russians are as stubborn as the Serbs are so I don't give up as there must be reasonable people among them. But for the time being they believe that KOSOVO POLE means DROZD POLE despite the fact that they do have word DROZD in their language. They never ask themselves questions that lead to destruction of their legends and their heroic songs and fiction literature. They don't bother to know why so many Serbs have KARA (= black) words (Kara Georgy, Karadjic ...) in their family names? Why their capitol was called Belgrade if it wasn't built of white stones ? What word Balkans mean and who gave this Rus neme to the whole region ? What makes them think that Balkans were a colony but not the Metropoly of the Ottomans where many Serbs had priviledged PASHA and VAZIR chairs ? How came that some other Serbs ruled remote regions of Europe and Asia ? How come that (in Tibet once ruled by the Serbs) the main religious center Shambhala still has it Slavic name of ШАМБАЛА = ШАМ БАЛА = CHAMME BALA = HAM BALA = HAN BALA = WHITE PRINCE while plenty of local toponymals sound not even Russian but rather Serbian? If the say A they'll have to go to the end of the alphabet. And by the way they don't wonder why all alphabets mean the same two letters A and B ? be it Arab/Persian Alef Be or Russian Aзбука or European Alpha Beta ...
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You really think Albanians stopped those trucks? Lol..."legends in your own minds"! That's the problem... your " international friends" let Pristina do JUST ENOUGH to think they are in control, to think they run this "country"..funny, if it wasn't so sad!
(Watcher, 1 May 2017 13:56)
That might be sad for you, but for Kosovo is not sad at all. If you are trying to point out that Kosovo is controlled by its international friends, OK... Kosovo has no problem with that. Kosovo is happy that it is not Serbia that controls Kosovo.
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@ from Albania - as always, you miss the point! I really don't care for Dacic myself, what I'm trying to get thru your thick skull is..Do you REALLY think you're going to scare the Srbs into just rolling over and giving up? You REALLY thick they won't pick up guns, bombs, tanks, planes, missles, rockets and come and meet you head on? You REALLY think they are SO scared of "the Albanians" , that they're just s**tting in their pants? What I can tell you, just give some egoistical nutcase" like Dacic some, JUST SOME, little reason to start pulling triggers and see what happens...I'm not heartbroken about them, but for the innocents on BOTh sides, people like me and my family...who just want to live and earn to support family...so get your head out of your ass!!!
(Watcher, 28 April 2017 20:19)
What part of "we don't give a damn" about what you think or what you do, isn't clear to you? if you get scared or not, is not our problem. By the way, Milosevic had tanks,jets and all that but it didn't stop us to do what we had to do. We are not against normal people its you that are against us. Look at your politicians like Dacic how direspectful they are about us and i mean all of us Albanians even us in Albania or abroad. Does this idiot know that there are 6 milions only in the region and is enough for us to split at you and you'll get drowned let alone point our guns at you. You should understand that your time is over, another one is starting. Bye.
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I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that? You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you? Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 03:42)
Well, there are no Serbian Armed Forces in Kosovo due to UNSCR 1244. So, Kosovo is just creating the Kosovo's branch of Serbia's Armed Forces (if you prefer to call it that way, that is absolutely fine). So, Serbia's "two armies" concern does not make any sense.
So, the only reason that remains for Serbia's opposition to the creation of Kosovo's branch of Serbia's Armed Forces is that Serbia is worried :)
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@EA - its Mr Watcher, I'm a 45 yr Srb from Banat Vojvodina region currently living in the US.
Lol- I don't think Srbija is " terrified" of "Kosovo" having an Army! I don't even think they're "worried" about an army..what makes you say that?
You have to look at it from their perspective..Kosovo already has a army... its called the Serbian Armed Forces. You can't have two armies in the same country, can you?
Right or wrong, THATS why Srbija doesn't want your "army", not because it's "terrified"!!-LOL
(Watcher, 29 April 2017 03:42)
In that case, how can one country have two embassies from same country?There are embassies in Belgrade and Prishtina!? That is a proof that we are not the same country, and don't fool yourself with dreams.
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
Not a pretty idea any way u look at it, but Srbija becoming " landlocked" by NATO is only a "fairytale ", one uses it when he's got nothing else;)
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@the truth- for the millionth time, until Beograd recognizes, you a piece of land that belongs to somebody else and you call yourself a "country"!
Its bad enough Srbija doesn't recognize you, but nobody is investing anything into this " country"! All the "welfare" money Pristina gets, the common people don't even feel it, much less see it! At some point, you going to have to realize it's not Beograd that's your enemy, but your "authorities" along with your " international "friends"...a lot of people got rich in Kosovo. And it ain't the common folk!
Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
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rote, 1 May 2017 08:39)
Hay fake prof of history, can you see even the Serbs don't back you up anymore. They fat up with your bs . 1999 did nothing, they dropped your plain, killer the pilot did nothing, killed your ambassador did nothing, 59 missiles right in front of your nose did nothing, you are nothing , don't you see how many poor comments you get , most of them from serbs, and what you do, you change your name to albanec. Hahahaha , time for you to be gone. Bye bye
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@Alb American - Don't worry about Rote, you got your own problems. You're so worried about the Russians that you can't see past your nose! Deal & negotiate with Beograd..you might come out with some kind of deal all can live with. Listen to your "friends" and you will be sold out and left holding your "weinie" in your hand, wondering what the hell happened"...ask all the "other" friends the US & West called as such...Your Youth, who are trying to get the hell outta dodge,are banking on you...and all you can come up with is...Russia this, Russia that! Sheesh!
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@ Rote I admit that there have been some times I have been tempted to reply to you as Hoxha replied to Hrushov and like some serbs here have also replied. You dont have respect for tiny nations because you come from the glory of an empire and the ussr! But then I realized that past glories allow you to be frank and openly declare your policy while our small glories allow us to suck the current winner. Truth is balkans have never decided anything in international arena of politics but we like to think that we are proud people and we count something. Dont expect a change soon in serbs mentality. Fomenko is so humble and simple if you compare him to the balkans academics full of farts and full of nothing. Of course Fomenko is right on everything and its only a matter of time before people start to use their brain. His mathematical count of timeline is flawless and they cant do nothing against him. Nothing and its only a matter of time. Cheers!
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But please remember that Ataturk wasn't father to all of the Turks and the alcoholic was a mortal enemy of the Ottomans. Many parts of their history were changed and an absolutely new language was written in 1923-32 ...
(rote, 1 May 2017 11:10)
rote,
Not true, the change, in 1923, was only in its alphabet, Arabic to Latin.
For your personal edification, Ataturk was part Albanian. Also, around 1900 the Albanian language had three alphabets: Arabic, Greek and Latin. Despite this, our language remained unchanged.
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:06)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!
I don't have to come up with any ideas, dear! You are doing the work for me by providing yourself the argument that rejects your point that Russia has become self sufficient! lol
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All the "welfare" money Pristina gets, the common people don't even feel it, much less see it! At some point, you going to have to realize it's not Beograd that's your enemy, but your "authorities" along with your " international "friends"...a lot of people got rich in Kosovo. And it ain't the common folk!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Well, if Kosovo were to be under Serbia, that would just add another layer of corruption in Belgrade, so even less money, if any, will flow to the common folk. So, it's not clear what your point is!
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Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Of course, just list the things that you want to be negotiated. For some reason, you always miss that part, which is why it's hard for anybody to follow your advice!
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@icj1- lol, no sweetie, Russia has become self sufficient..any other ideas, sweetheart?
China, among MANY others, are ready to buy all the energy Russia can sell!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:06)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!! I don't have to come up with any ideas, dear! You are doing the work for me by providing yourself the argument that rejects your point that Russia has become self sufficient! lol
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:30)
It could be that Russia wants to earn more money by selling gas to others
(wells, 2 May 2017 01:38)
Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol Not to mention that when you start the sentence with "it could", that means that you are just speculating and not referring to any facts.
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Skenderbeu
* You dont have respect for tiny nations --- DISAGREED AS RUSSIA IS COMPOSED OF DOZENS OF SMALL NATIONS AND RUS PEOPLE NEVER USED THEIR DOMINANT POSITION.
* past glories allow you to be frank --- PAST GLORIES MAKE US THINK THAT WE CAN COPE WITH ANY ENEMY. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT RUS PEOPLES DO NOT HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR THE LAWS. SINNCE HORDIAN TIMES RUS BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE WRITTEN RATHER FOR OTHER PEOPLES BUT NOT FOR THEM ..
* balkans have never decided anything --- AFTER 1826 WHEN TANZIMAT PERIOD STARTED IN OTTOMANIA
* Dont expect a change soon in serbs mentality --- SO DO I BUT THINGS MAY CHANGE IF THE SHQIPTARE LEADERS GO ON PLAYING ROLE OF THE TROYAN SHEEP INVOLVING COMMON PEOPLE INTO TOTAL WAR WITH ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS
* phrase that Hrushov used which made Hoxha decide to break with him? --- BOTH WERE IDIOTS PLUS KHRUSHEV WAS ALSO A TRAITOR AND HIS SON STILL HIDES IN THE USA. HOXHA HAD LITTLE MANUEVER.
* Serbs are no different from albanians on this --- SHQIPTARES ARE 100 TIMES CLOSER TO THE SLAVS THAT TO THE WEST. BE IT RELIGION OR CULTURE OR MENTALLITY OR ANYTHING ELSE. YOUR BIGGEST ENEMIES SIT IN TIRANA AND PRISTINA.
* jugoslavians were americans puppets --- ALL BECAUSE STALIN AND THEN KHRUSHEV FAILED TO SEE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO GREAT PARTISAN ARMIES AND THE REST OF EASTERN EUROPE WHO ALL FOUGHT ON HITLER'S SIDE. NOBODY RECALS THAT IN 1939 3 SLOVAKIAN DIVISIONS ACCOMPAHIED HITLER IN POLAND ECT.
CHEERS !
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@ Rote Did you read the news about the discovery of the pre-Nemanjic Serb state era in the insight section? Cargo transportation of ore I read. Now I didnt know what "ore" means and I looked it up in online dictionary. Very strange as "ar" means gold in albanian. I think this is another confirmation of Fomenkin's theory. Its time for Serbs and for us to face the truth and the truth is we were all part of this great horde. Im struggling with the garbage and the sh*t in my neighborhood's refuge but everybody should read this article.
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@ dudona- lol, don't hold your breath;)
Good luck with that!
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@count of Kosovo- you're joking, right? You really think Albanians stopped those trucks? Lol..."legends in your own minds"! That's the problem... your " international friends" let Pristina do JUST ENOUGH to think they are in control, to think they run this "country"..funny, if it wasn't so sad!
As for Rote, ask him yourself. One thing he's right about... we expect the Ruskies to bigger Serbs than Serbs""!
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Skenderbeu-5
I always fail to write it short because any episode taken from the context (Can's Text) makes it ever more strange for fresh brains. I am hereby to return to your question about the pre-Nemania period.
1. I have no doubts that the Njemania belonged to the Rjurikovici dynasty. Otherwise they had no chance to top any horde.
2. They must have been Pagans coz this branch of the joint religion was dominant before Kulikovo battle of 1380.
3. The two versions of the belief coexisted very peacefully for 195 years (1185-1380) after Christ. Pagan was dominant and was official religion of the empire. So Serbs were conservative ... like they are today.
4. Two parallel cultured were developed. In both versions plenty of books were written, plenty of prayors, icons ect. Many are still available though the church does not explain what other versions but the Apostolic had existed.
5. Russian Staroveri today stand closest to the Pagans though formally they are Orthodox and Apostolic. Even the official Russian church widely uses Pagan attributes like the swastika - the main symbol of the Pagans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers
http://www.kramola.info/vesti/protivostojanie/kolovrat-v-rossii
6. The difference between the two versions was so great that we can merely call them one religion.
7. After that date great changes were brought to the Apostolic Christianity where Greeks Brahmans (their pagan name) played even bigger role.
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Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol
(icj1, 2 May 2017 14:32)
I think the answer is simple -- get more money to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)
(wells, 3 May 2017 04:34)
Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
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Merkel is trying to replace our beautiful white race with Africans, and here Albanians and Serbs are fighting over something irrelevant. Eff the EU, our children's future is not safe we are being demographically replaced by none whites in our own continent. Wake up it's bigger than political flexing from Rama and Vuvic. The globalist scum are distracting us from their true agenda.
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Watcher, 1 May 2017 16:54)
Oh no no no I'm not worry about you or the russians you got that wrong. You the one Who should be worried about the Russians , ( you know exactly why ). Me personally , I find this site amusing 😁
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@ Alb American - ok, ok..I understand! Just the way you are always fixiated on the Russians and talking about them, it seemed they were your life topic! But ok, I'm assuming you'll keep the Ruskies out of this and focus on us Srbs...Not that you'll get anywhere with that as long as you have the attitude that 100% Albs get everything and Srbs get nothing...;) ain't happening, know what I mean?;)
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Skenderbeu
"pre-Nemanjic Serb state era" is a good combination of words ! You already know that I don't have any facts about any states on the Balkans before 19 century. No states, no peoples only some ethnical legends, traditions, dialects and languages.
What was different in Njemanici period (before 1389) ? Everything was different ! Christianity was the only world religion - no Buddism, no Hebrew, no Muslims yet. But there were two versions of Christianity that much later got names of the Pagans and the Apostolic.
The more I think about it the more I believe that the Serbs were Pagans in 1389 and so were many Rus people at the time. Andronic I Komnenos known in Russia as Андрей Боголюбский + Андрей Первозванный was crusified in 1185 in Tsargrad and Rus fems of the Byzantine launched cruisader war that lasted till 1340 when 100% of what is called Europe now was colonized. This empire is called Roman, Mongol ect. now but in the past it had plenty of other names.
Two parallel Christianities coexisted before 1370 when young Great Prince of the Great Horde decided to put an end to it. Both branches were headed by the Rjurikovici and all saints in them belonged to the Rjurikovici.
What exactly happened that year remains unclear but this date is written on all Serbia, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time. It is written in letters but not figures that was traditional then and it is written inside the nimb of the Savior.
i fall asleep but tomorrow i'll finish.
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If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.
(icj1, 30 April 2017 03:24)
If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:30)
It could be that Russia wants to earn more money by selling gas to others, and not because she needs to buy food. There is a 2013 report that seems to indicate that Russia is one of the countries that is agriculturally self-sufficient.
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/1/014046
So while others might freeze from no gas, I think it is unlikely that Russia will starve (from not having food).
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Skenderbeu - 2
"pre-Nemanjic Serb state era" is a good combination of words ! You already know that I don't have any facts about any states on the Balkans before 19 century. No states, no peoples ! Only some ethnical legends, traditions and languages.
What was different in Njemanici period (before 1389) ? Everything was different ! Christianity was the only world religion - no Buddism, no Hebrew, no Muslims yet. But there were two versions of Christianity that much later got names of the Pagans and the Apostolic.
The more I think about it the more I believe that the Serbs were Pgans in 1389 and so were many Rus people at the time. Andronic I Komnenos known in Russia as Андрей Боголюбский + Андрей Первозванный was crusified in 1185 in Tsargrad and Rus fems of the Byzantine launched cruisader war that lasted till 1340 when 100% of what is called Europe now was colonized. The whole world was involved and that war we now call Trohan or Gothic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_War
This empire is called Roman, Mongol ect. now but in the past it had plenty of other names. Two parallel Christianities coexisted before 1370 when young Great Prince of the Great Horde decided to put an end to it. What exactly happened that year remains unclear but this date is written on all Serbia, Bulgarian and Rus icons of the time. It is written in letters but not figures that was traditional then and it is written inside the nimb of the Savior.
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Skenderbeu - 4
Han Dmitry formally was the main man in the world because he was a direct descendant of Batu Han (Vati Can) and nobody was going to kill him. It must have happened by accident and that's why both armies immediately abandoned Kosovo ...
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83%20%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%201227-1502
It was a critical moment as the Apostolic Whites/ Beli/ Ak / Albanians were beheaded while everybody knew that there was no way that the empire can be headed by anybody else. Guess this tradition was introduced long before Gengis Han aka Georgy Danilovic (elder brother of Batu Han (Ivan Danilovic) launched the Trojan War.
Anyway Dmity's elder son Vasily (Bayazed) went on fighting intill he was captured and executed by Tamerlane in 1402. This date I doubt as I believe that Tamerlane and Mehmet II and Prophet Mohammad were one man. In 1415 the Golden Horde submitted to the White one. Together they moved our to Europe that stopped to pay money (silver Tallers) during the civil war in Rus that included Balkans.
It was a 40 years long war described in Bible (Exodus) and events of 1444, Skenderbeu, Albanian League ect. - all were in the context of that Reconquista. Our hordes reunited and moved forward as the Whites.
Yet there was one more horde (Blue) in Ukraine that later became the Ottomans. They stayed loyal to the Whites before 17 century when Germans (Romanovs) captured the newly built capitol of Moscow.
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Srbija is not in control of itself...
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
If you say so, I trust you that's the case since you are more knowledgeable about what happens in Srbija
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however, the record breaking amount of decent people "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" is stunning...
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
Well, it's not surprising that Serbs are "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" given that, as you said, Srbija is not in control of itself
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Try negotiating... you might be surprised!
(Watcher, 30 April 2017 17:40)
Of course, just list the things that you want to be negotiated. For some reason, you always miss that part, which is why it's hard for anybody to follow your advice!
(icj1, 1 May 2017 21:37)
lets go back to basic's 101...More than autonomy, less than independence...hows that for starters?
(Watcher, 2 May 2017 00:15)
Sure dear, but what does "more than autonomy, less than independence" mean in practice? Is it better or worse for Serbia than "Kosovo is Serbia"?
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Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
(icj1, 3 May 2017 15:13)
Many countries accumulate foreign reserves (just look at the amount accumulated by the likes of China and Japan!) and so why should Russia be different?
(wells, 4 May 2017 01:08)
Of course Russia can accumulate foreign reserves (savings) - I'm glad that you got that part. But the question is, if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? If Russia is self-sufficient, Russia would not need to get more money from OTHERS in order to accumulate those foreign reserves (savings) :)
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Skenderbeu -3
This battle is described many times from Indian Mahabharata to the life story of Constantine I The Great aka Great Prince/Han Dmitry I. If you add 1052 years to most European dates you will have the true dating so if you add them to the death date of Constantine I you will find yourself on Kosovo (Cossakovo) Pole of 1389 ...
Thus all 3 (sultan Murad I, emperor Constantine I and the great khan/kniaz Dmity I Ivanovic Donskoy) died at the same time and place on Kosovo field in 1389. Simlpy because they all were ONE MAN. Before 1572 when Pope Gregory introduced his new chronology there were no problems with dating and date of their death was 1389-1052 = 337.
This was the real dating of the Kosovo battle. the sultan/khan/emperor was 39 yers old (not 65!) and he had no health problems but you will find not a single sentence in the Rus history about why and where he died and why the burrial services were held not by the Greek Patriach of the empire or at least by his Godfather Sergyi Radonezhski but by some low rate Archbishop of Trabesund. Most likely he was mumified and burried in the Imperial Cemetery in Giza (Cossack Cemetery)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giza_pyramid_complex
Kosovska Bitka hereby was a routine battle of the civil war of 1370-1415 known in Rus as Velikaya Smuta. It was a severe war of the Golden (Pagans) and the White (Apostolic) hordes both headed by the ruling Rjurikovici.
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Skenderbeu-6
8. In 1445 our Greek Patriarch flew to the Constantinopole where descendants of Prince Dmitry aka Constantine ruled since 1380. It spoiled our relations and in 1453 we had to seize the city. After that our relations with Contantinopole were spoiled only by the Romanovs in 17 century when the Ottomans stopped to obey Rus.
9. The main difference between the two versions was that the Rjurikovici considered themselves Gods too although smaller ones than their ancestor Andronik Komnin aka Andrey Bogoliubsky. So they wrote plenty of legends , icons and made plenty of monuments exposing themselves as gods. Today we know them as Greek Zeus (Christ), Aphrodite (The Virgin) ect - ask Leonidas about it ...
10. Tanais was an old Rus/Greek city now called Azov. Tanais means same as Don i.e. River. Prince Dmitry became Saint under this name (Donskoy) during his lifetime (so we can expect that it must be somehow reflected in his new name of Constantine I. And it is as Constantinopole is a composite word of Con Stan Tina (Dona) Pole = Khan of Don Stan (Stand) Field ... with zero Greek smell !
i am tired my friend so i stop it here - cheers !
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Thank you Kapella the stakanovist!! Very interesting indeed and there cant be a better confirmation for Fomenko than the tiny and heroic nation of albanians I think. And guess what? For Afrodite Leonidas cant explain me nothing Im afraid, while it's just me who can explain to him that this word is entirely an albanian world afer - near, dita - day. Hope you had a good day and now take a rest.
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Ok, so if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from others?! lol Not to mention that when you start the sentence with "it could", that means that you are just speculating and not referring to any facts.
(icj1, 2 May 2017 14:32)
I think the answer is simple -- get more money to accumulate foreign reserves (savings), and not because Russia needs to spend it all on food. I note that you did not counter the link that I provided.
Since facts seem important to you, can you prove that what you wrote earlier "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is a fact? Thanks.
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icj
Rosatom is constructing nuclear stations abroad and only 2 of them in PAKSH (Hungary) and AKKUYU (Turkey) will cost us USD 33 BLN ... We have a lot of projests to spend our money but we need more ...
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@icj1 - No, sweetie, YOU are happy that Srbija is not in control of itself...however, the record breaking amount of decent people "trying" to leave this "paradise of democracy" is stunning...as for negotiating, lets go back to basic's 101...More than autonomy, less than independence...hows that for starters? Nobody winners, nobody losers. If not, than continue on until the "winds of change" blow harder...oh, and good luck!
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Ok, but if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? Since Russia has become self sufficient, it can accumulate foreign reserves (saving) with money from the Russian populace without having to rely on other countries!
(icj1, 3 May 2017 15:13)
I think the answer is simple – the Russian populace, by and large, will transact in their local currency (i.e. ruble), which is not a foreign currency to Russia. Many countries accumulate foreign reserves (just look at the amount accumulated by the likes of China and Japan!) and so why should Russia be different? Whatever Russia’s reasons for accumulating foreign reserves, it should not be because she needs to use it all to buy food – please refer back to the link that I provided which indicated that Russia is among the agriculturally sufficient countries.
Mind you, I do not believe that any country is self-sufficient in everything. However, your original bone of contention with Watcher was that "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." It seems to me that, when you used the word “starve”, you were disputing about Russia’s self-sufficiency in FOOD only. So let us not deviate from your original point.
By the way, can you prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (i.e. a fact)?
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Of course Russia can accumulate foreign reserves (savings) - I'm glad that you got that part. But the question is, if Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to get more money from OTHERS to accumulate foreign reserves (savings)? If Russia is self-sufficient, Russia would not need to get more money from OTHERS in order to accumulate those foreign reserves (savings) :)
(icj1, 5 May 2017 03:05)
I didn’t state that Russia is self-sufficient in everything – had you read my last post carefully enough, you would find that I had stated that I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything. I wasn’t referring to Russia’s self-sufficiency in everything, I was referring to her self-sufficiency in FOOD. Please be clear about this.
There is, obviously, a difference between not being self-sufficient in everything and not being self-sufficient in FOOD. When you informed Watcher that "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.", you appeared to be implying that Russia is not self-sufficient in FOOD. Your words “…… will starve” indicated to me that you were referring to FOOD only.
And you have still not proven that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (i.e. a fact). So in my opinion, this claim of yours to Watcher remains unproven and not a fact.
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I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything.
(wells, 5 May 2017 10:54)
Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
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Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
(icj1, 5 May 2017 14:36)
Watcher was replying to your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Viewed in this context, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Watcher was only referring to Russia becoming self-sufficient in FOOD. Because you wouldn’t have written the words “Russia will starve” unless you were referring to great and widespread lack of FOOD among the Russian populace, right?
Despite my repeated requests, you have not provided proof to back your statement that “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Is this because you are unable to prove the truth of this statement of yours?
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I don’t believe that any country can be self-sufficient in everything.
(wells, 5 May 2017 10:54)
Ok, great! So we are in agreement than that Watcher's writing on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient" is not true.
If the above is settled, shall we move to the next point about whether Russia is self-sufficient in food?
(icj1, 5 May 2017 14:36)
Watcher was replying to your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” Viewed in this context, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Watcher was only referring to Russia becoming self-sufficient in FOOD.
(wells, 6 May 2017 01:25)
Oh, OK, so we're not settled yet on the first point...
Well, since Watcher never replied to my statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.”, I don't view it in your context at all! If you want to come up with your context, feel free to do so, but your context is just yours. The only thing that is a fact is that Watcher wrote, I quote, "Russia has become self sufficient". That's what I replied to.
Your speculation that Watcher meant to write "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD", remains just a speculation, until Watcher confirms it.
So, regarding what Watcher's actually wrote on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient", do you agree that statement is not correct? Once we settle on that, we can move to your statement that "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD"
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(icj1, 6 May 2017 18:09)
I believe that the context of the situation in which Watcher made that statement is relevant, to be fair to him or her. He or she could have taken for granted that the statement was well understood in the light of the contents of prior posts. By the way, I assume this too when I post.
It is true that I have been giving opinions (speculations in your words) on this topic. I see nothing wrong with opining. Lots of posters give opinions on this public forum and, I think, so did you.
You stated that I made the statement "Russia has become self sufficient in FOOD" . I am unable to find that exact statement in my posts. So this claim of yours is not a fact, agree? LOL
Since it possible that there could still be some misunderstanding about what was posted, please allow me to summarize my position (and we can debate my summary if you like): My opinion is that Russia is self-sufficient in food based on an article that I had come across (link to this article was provided in my first post). Your statement “If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve.” seems to be at odds with the findings of this article. Which was why I asked you repeatedly to prove this statement of yours. Can you prove it?
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I believe that the context of the situation in which Watcher made that statement is relevant, to be fair to him or her.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Of course, but the only context that we can be sure about is what Watcher wrote; i.e. that "Russia has become self sufficient". He/she did not quote any other post(s) to add to that context.
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He or she could have taken for granted that the statement was well understood in the light of the contents of prior posts.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Of course, he/she could or he/she could have not and even if he/she could, we don't know which prior post(s) he/she took for granted.
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By the way, I assume this too when I post.
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
Good for you! I generally don't, which is why I usually quote the context, before my comment.
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My opinion is that Russia is self-sufficient in food based on an article that I had come across (link to this article was provided in my first post).
(wells, 7 May 2017 02:49)
I'm more than happy to discuss that opinion of yours, but we first need to settle whether Watcher's comment that "Russia has become self sufficient" is true or not. That's because, if the conclusion is that Watcher's comment is true, the discussion about your opinion that "Russia is self-sufficient in food" becomes moot :)
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
(wells, 8 May 2017 01:40)
It's not clear from what you wrote above what the double standard is. Yes, I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any. I wrote nowhere that you should do something different with my comments.
Also, if you want to discuss if Russia is self-sufficient in food, I'm more than happy to do that. But, we have to settle first whether Watcher's comment that "Russia has become self sufficient" is true or not. Because if that Watcher's comment is true, any discussion about Russia's self-sufficiency in food becomes moot. So, not sure what the point is discussing a moot argument (if Watcher's comment is true).
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(icj1, 9 May 2017 13:57)
What you wrote exactly was "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." I am holding you exactly to this statement of yours by asking you to prove that it is true. Thank you.
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(icj1, 7 May 2017 17:12)
Don’t you think that you are applying double standards here -- a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for yourself? Because, on one hand, you hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and, on that basis, pronounced that what he or she wrote is not true. On the other hand, however, you do not provide proof that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true (ie. a fact), despite my repeated requests.
(wells, 8 May 2017 01:40)
It's not clear from what you wrote above what the double standard is. Yes, I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any. I wrote nowhere that you should do something different with my comments.
(icj1, 9 May 2017 13:57)
What you wrote exactly was "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." I am holding you exactly to this statement of yours
(wells, 9 May 2017 14:49)
Of course, and I wrote nowhere that you should not hold me to exactly the same standard I'm holding our dear friend Watcher to. So, your "double standard" statement does not stand!
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If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (You can also admit that it is not true so that we can close the case on this statement of yours).
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I forgot to state that my earlier post below was in reply to icj1's post of 10 May 2017 16:16.
If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (You can also admit that it is not true so that we can close the case on this statement of yours).
(wells, 11 May 2017 01:12)
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If your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is really true, you would be able to prove that it is true. Therefore please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true.
(wells, 11 May 2017 01:12)
I'd be more than happy to apply to this other request of yours the same standard I applied to Watcher's statement on 30 April 2017 17:06. But we still have the other two issues pending:
1. Is Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient" true or not?
2. Is your statement that I'm applying double standards, a higher one for Watcher and a lower one for myself, true or not?
We can't jump from argument to argument without closing any of them :)
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We can't jump from argument to argument without closing any of them :)
(icj1, 11 May 2017 13:51)
I agree with you! In order not to jump, we should settle the issues according to their chronological appearance. Since your statement of 30 April 2017 "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than the two issues you raised, we should tackle your statement first!
So please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true. (Alternatively, you can also admit that you are unable to prove that is true if this is the case).
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In order not to jump, we should settle the issues according to their chronological appearance. Since your statement of 30 April 2017 "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than the two issues you raised, we should tackle your statement first!
So please prove that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." is true.
(wells, 12 May 2017 03:30)
Sure, my statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." appeared earlier than Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient". But you did not ask me to prove my statement until 3 May 2017 04:34.
Whereas I questioned Watcher's statement that "Russia has become self sufficient" on 1 May 2017 21:30 and you decided to tackle that on 2 May 2017 01:38, i.e. before asking me on 3 May 2017 04:34 to prove my statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve". And that's the same order that I'm following :)
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(icj1, 12 May 2017 14:37)
You questioned Watcher, not me, on 1 May 2017. So I am not bounded by your question to Watcher since I am not Watcher. You only asked me on 6 May 2017 18:09 whether Watcher’s statement is correct. So whether you are taking the chronological order of appearance of the statements or our questions, we will have to tackle your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve" first in order not to jump! Therefore please prove (or admit that you are unable to prove) that your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve" is true.
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(icj1, 12 May 2017 14:37)
You questioned Watcher, not me, on 1 May 2017.
(wells, 13 May 2017 01:00)
Of course. So, congratulations for convincing yourself about that since I wrote nowhere that I questioned you on 1 May 2017!
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So I am not bounded by your question to Watcher since I am not Watcher.
(wells, 13 May 2017 01:00)
I never said you are Watcher lol So, congratulations again for convincing yourself about that!
It was you though on 2 May 2017 01:38 replying to my question to Watcher "If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!". I certainly did not ask you to reply; I asked Watcher, but you volunteered to answer that question. Since then we've still not settled whether your 2 May 2017 01:38 reply means that "Russia has become self sufficient". Once we settle that, I'm more than happy to discuss other things that you requested after 2 May 2017 01:38 :) We can't jump from topic to topic, without settling any of them...
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(icj1, 13 May 2017 19:36)
I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote. Kindly let me explain further.
Your exact question to Watcher on 1 May 2017 was "If Russia has become self sufficient, why does it need to sell gas to China or to the "MANY others"?!!!". Your exact question to me on 6 May 2017 (which you reconfirmed on 11 May 2017 to be your exact question for me), however, was “So, regarding what Watcher's actually wrote on 30 April 2017 17:06 that "Russia has become self sufficient", do you agree that statement is not correct?” Both of us agreed and committed that it is your exact question to me that would apply to me in your post of 11 May 2017 and my post of 12 May 2017.
My point is that your exact question to Watcher is different from your exact question to me. i.e. Your exact question to Watcher asked for reasons why Russia sells gas to others. Your exact question to me was whether Watcher’s statement is correct. These 2 questions are not exactly the same and require different answers. Therefore you cannot hold me to your exact question for Watcher since I am not Watcher and since we had already agreed and committed to a different exact question for me!
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(icj1, 13 May 2017 19:36)
I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote.
(wells, 14 May 2017 03:01)
Well, yes, I already wrote that "I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any." What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?! lol
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(icj1, 18 May 2017 04:10)
“You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote ….”
Sure, I hold you exactly to what you and I had agreed would be your 2 exact questions for me. Which means no other exact questions for me since we had agreed on only 2 exact questions for me!
“What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?!”
As this is a new exact question of yours to me, it must be discussed last so that we comply with your wish not to jump!
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I think your reasoning is deeply flawed. Please remember that it was you who insisted on holding Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote. This yardstick of yours, therefore, must also apply to what you exactly wrote.
(wells, 14 May 2017 03:01)
Well, yes, I already wrote that "I hold Watcher to exactly what he or she wrote and the context he/she referred to, if any. You should do the same with me - hold me to exactly what I wrote and the context I referred to, if any." What's flawed about insisting that the same standard should be applied?! lol
(icj1, 18 May 2017 04:10)
Sure, I hold you exactly to what you and I had agreed would be your 2 exact questions for me.
(wells, 18 May 2017 11:53)
Great :)
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Great :)
(icj1, 23 May 2017 13:24)
You asked your 2 exact questions after I asked you to prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve". This means that you must prove this statement of yours first in order to comply with your wish not to jump!
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Great :)
(icj1, 23 May 2017 13:24)
You asked your 2 exact questions after I asked you to prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve".
(wells, 24 May 2017 06:17)
Which 2 exact questions, dear?
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Which 2 exact questions, dear?
(icj1, 27 May 2017 16:03)
The 2 exact questions that you stated on 11 May 2017 to be still pending.
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Which 2 exact questions, dear?
(icj1, 27 May 2017 16:03)
The 2 exact questions that you stated on 11 May 2017 to be still pending.
(wells, 28 May 2017 01:00)
Oh, OK... Yes, they still are pending :)
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Oh, OK... Yes, they still are pending :)
(icj1, 3 June 2017 16:20)
But in order to comply with your wish not to jump, they can only be considered after you prove your statement "If they freeze, that means that Russia will starve." since I asked you to do so earlier.
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