Macedonia to Serbia: Use our "correct name"; Dacic responds

Why won't FYROM recognize Serbia by its correct borders? Greece is Serbia's friend and was ostracized by NATO allies when it would not only refuse to participate in NATO's aggression on Serbia, but actively leaked classified information to Belgrade during the war. Many Greek humanitarian workers would purposely show up where the heaviest of bombs fell so that this could influence NATO to stop bombing there. Serbia has no right to forget this.

But the main reason Serbia should stand with Greece on the name issue is because they are RIGHT. The people in FYROM are Slavs, not ancient Macedonians. The vast majority of the ones I met are good and decent people. But they have been brainwashed by their elite regarding their identity and it's caused huge rifts with countries that should be their allies i.e. Serbia & Greece.

It's really beyond me how the politicians of Serbia can be so foolish, reciprocal measures must stand. If the "Macedonians" insult us serbs with the name "Republic of Kosovo", we should have no choice but to call them by what they really are and that's FYROM. This has nothing to do with Serbian-Greek friendship, but fighting for our national interests and the truth!

Sorry cant offend our Greek brothers!!!!

You're Slavs, not Macedonian. The Slavs entered the Balkans 1,000 years after Alexander's death. All these below define the identity of a nation:
- your language = Slavic
- your names of persons = Slavic
- your names of places = Slavic
- your alphabet = Slavic (Cyrillic)
- your culture = Slavic
- recorded history = Slavic
Slavs

Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, Macedonian Redux, p.260
          "...Modern Slavs, both from the Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians cannot establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans ten centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander..."

Smart move made by Serbia before Tsipras visit!

Macedonians, how did you expect from Serbia to call you? You diserved nothing good from Serbians, cause you had decepted them a lot of times in history.

You mean "Southwest Bulgaria"?

Alexander The Great NEVER claims to be a "Greek Romioi rum" that's just Greek Ethiopian modern fantasy. Modern Greeks don't have any real affinity with Alexander and the Macedonians.

There are no ancient records which can relate to modern Greeks Macedonian, but yet here Greeks are trying to brag for things that don't belong to them and they cant even answer for them without resorting to frantic propaganda and lies.

There are no modern Greeks which self identity as Macedonians. modern Greeks had no idea what Macedonia was up until about after the 20th century.

even your modern ethnic name ellada ellenes ellethara doesnt have any logical meaning per heritage. its just a bullshit modern name used by anyone who has been baptised by the church.

Greek are a romioi rum modern Greek Anatolian rum from Minor Asia and modern Greeks don't have nothing to show fro preserved ethnic heritage from ancient tribes of Europe.

Hahah, whats new in FYROM? Or you more like BJRM? LoL

Macedonia is Greek ........end of story......

@HELLENIC SWORD

WE know you Greeks have hard time to realize who you are. are you Anatolian or Ethiopian. you can only pick one xD Macedonian is not option for you anyways.

Ari Gold @

NEVER TRUST SLAVS. YOU'RE TRAITORS AND BACKSTABBING COWARDS.

Bravo Dacic, the only nation in the world that helped us during the war was the Greeks. Teach those backstabbers in FYROM a lesson, Macedonia is a Greek name and Greek land.

@Makednac :

1. During 1994 and 1995 the Greek Intelligence Service leaked to Serbia NATO's classified information about Bosnia and that helped us A LOT. During Milosevic' trial, Greece was punished by the West for leaking classified info to us.
2. Serbian orphans were hosted in Greece during the period 1993-2006, including my cousin. The region of Greece they were hosted is called MACEDONIA.
3. Greece is the only country that broke the UN embargo imposed on Serbia in the '90s and supplied us with weapons, gas, medication, food and clothes.
4. In April 1999 the Supreme Court of Justice in Greece declared NATO war criminals against the Serbian nation. The ONLY country in the world that did that.
5. Apart form the Greek State, the Greek nation had been sending us food and clothes during the ENTIRE war.
6. The Greek Church was offering money to Serbia during the war(they even gave half million euros after the war, to built St Sava).
7. Yes, Greeks didn't veto Albania's membership in NATO. Why should they? Only when a country gives you a legal reason to veto, you veto.
8. Greek doctors and nurses came to Serbia many times during the war to perform surgeries and transferred many Serbian soldiers for hospitalization to Greece, in a region called MACEDONIA. My uncle was one of those soldiers.

Do your lesson first before you dare to talk about our brothers again.

Your correct name is BJRM. Macedonia is a Greek name that corresponds to the region of northern Greece, since the ancient times.

Dacic, keep going.

OMG what's happening in the region?! Bosnia is a mess, Croatia and Slovenia are at odds, Serbia and Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia now. This region of Europe is pathetic!

BLACK EAGLE@
This you quoted (Veremi) you took it completely OUT of context, as the authors LATER ON DESCRIBE HOW the illegal Albanian occupiers who invaded as NAZI ALLIES, the "Chams" as well as all their Albanian minions who bloodshed Greece, were EXPELLED en masse by 1945, and “...only left few traces of their existence...” So what exactly does this you quoted proves? That the Greeks are not Greeks? Only an Albanian ultra-nationalistic NEO NAZ would see this the way you do...

Now that Albanians are taking over Skopje and it's only a matter of time to solve the name dispute, now the Serbs rememebred to support Greece.
Well, you are 25 years late. And thanks for your "help", but no thanks. Keep supporting the Bulgarians in Skopje. You deserve each other.

Leaving all politics and identity making on the side for 9 seconds ,
The only people that actually deserve to be called Macedonians today would be the Albanians and any Vlachs within it .

I know it hurts ,but that;s what happens in the game of Identity making .The Greeks accomplished this in the last 150 years and my Slavs are simply just late to that game .

Well with that kind of attitude Macedonia, then you will definitely be split up eventually... time will tell. North to Serbia, East to Bulgaria, West to Albania, South to Greece.

rote@
You're a Slavic speaking, with a Slavic name Slav, not Macedonian. And your Slavic country is settled on Paeonia not on Macedonia. READ:
Stephen G. Miller, Historian, Prof Dr Berkeley University
[[[Who is referring to the self-declared "Republika Macedonija" which fabricated maps attempting to present PAEONIA (the region this country is settled) as supposedly united region with Macedonia-Greece (Alexander's homeland), and to the banknotes this country circulated with the Greek city of Thessalonike on them]]]; I wonder what we would conclude if a certain large island off the southeast coast of the United States started to call itself Florida, and emblazoned its currency with images of Disney World and distributed maps showing the Greater Florida..."
Ljubomir Frckovski, Leader of FYROMacedonia's Socialist Political Party, former Minister of Internal Affairs, ON CAMERA
One small group of (FYROM's) historians and political fraudsters managed to impose throughout the (FYROM's) media, a hysterical discourse about our identity, which created a great damage to the state. They turned Macedonia in their project, I would say into a country of ridicule, and everybody laughs at us..Fraudulent history concepts cannot help us. These people are trying to present us, as super-ancient Slavs, who never migrated, but always were here and used the Slavic language that we speak. These frauds and hallucinations varies from meaningless, to absurd, to totally absorb illusions."

rote@
Greek = English < from Latin Graeci < from Greek Graekos = the mythological son of Zeus and Pandora.

"...Greek meant Orthodox religion..."
That's untrue.
Greek meant: Greek name, hence inherited by Greek ancestors (no Turk, Slav or Albanian had Greek name), Greek language and Greek religion. All these were characteristics that 99.9 of those who had them were Greeks.


On 2/
"...They tell us as if Cyrillic was made out of the Greek alphabet..."
Though I don't give one shit where the Cyrillic alphabet was based on, it's a fact that it was based on the Greek one.
It is also A FACT that the Cyrillic alphabet was created in order for the Slavic people to became LITERATE, as until then the Slavs had no alphabet.
This is of most importance for any civilization.


On 3/
"...ALEXANDAR was the correct name..."
Stop delusioning; the name is ALEXANDROS, it is Greek and is being composed by two Greek words THAT ARE STILL IN USE 3,000 straight years:
- alexo= to repel, to defend
- andros = genetive of andras = man
Defendor of man.
No other culture than the Greek, used Greek words to compose Greek names, which were being used only by Greeks. To be continued...

rote@ Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, Macedonian Redux, p.260
          "...Modern Slavs, both from the Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians cannot establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans ten centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander..."

Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, Harvard University
             "...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paionia ( the region the 1991 self-declared Republic of "Macedonia" is settled ), who speak Slavic – a language and PEOPLE introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander – can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."

Serbia is meaningless. They can call Macedonia whatever they choose to, wouldn't make any difference. Who gives a s#it what you call us. :D

What the hell ?
Bad relations with macedonia.. bad relations with croatia.. with bosnia .. with kosovo ? Are you serious.. your government is Mentally Sick.. is this 2017 or Milosevic ? Yeahh keep opening chapters all your life long.. but with this mentality.. you will Never be EU

@HELLENIC SWORD
Greeks gave themselves the name Romoi rum to protect against christian prosecution ??? your Romioi rum ancestors were the radical byzantine Christians that went out of their way to systematically destroy any signs of the old cultures and heritage because it was deemed as anti Christ. and now all of a sudden you wish to present the romioi people with religious identity that destroyed the old culture as saviors of Hellenism... this is a sick fucking joke.

During the period of the Romioi rums rampage against the old cultures, the Albanians were considered by all byzantine chronicles that mentioned them as the native inhabitants of Illyria Epiri and Macedonia, which can be seen by the remnants of published Roman literature:: Dictionarium Latino-Epiroticum

Even if the Albanians came from the Caucasus region, which their is no evidence of , they still inhabited Morea and the mainland hundreds of years before the modern Greek identity was created in the church. The old Illyrian-Epirote and Macedon heritage is survived and preserved among the Albanians, and in some cases the Arumanian Vlahs. You can not change this reality with bullshit golden dawn neo Nazi wannabe propaganda.

I saw a comment that it says there is no evidence or ancient source that can agree that Macedonians were Greeks!(?)lol.Take a look at this :Alexander I of Macedon, king of Macedon from 498 BCE to 454 BCE: "Men of Athens [...] In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas [Greece]; I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery."
(Herodotus, "Histories", 9.45.1-2).And obviously you have not visit northern Greece at the region of ancient Macedonia to say that "there is not even a Greek who calls himself Macedonian".As for your claim yhat we are not Greeks anymore i will say to you, search the DNA study from University of Stanford in 2012.

Rasputin was Putin's great grandfather.

Much obliged for sharing such a secret with me.I've also got a secret to share with you.I am a distant discendant of king Tardis(from Dr Who).

FYR of M does recognize serbia with their correct borders without Kosovo in it , how it should be . Dacic and serbia can't handle the truth , well get used to it

Whats wrond here my dear FYROM-ers? Are you former rep. of YU? Yes. They ply you with this M (Macedonia) and you should be thankful.

Nice to see Serbia silent like a fish to bigger countries. Kosovo recognition doesn't bother your cooperation with most of EU does it now?

In front of EU you don't dare start retaliation.
But when it comes to smaller and weaker Macedonia and it's meaningless political weight, than OMG Serbia will show that is very offended. Lol
Such a losers you are.

Any serb that sees the fake "Macedonians" as friends or brothers of our country is at this point a traitor. The time has come to take the gloves off, we need to issue them an ultimatum and that's that "Macedonia" either withdraws recognition of Kosovo or we call them FYROM exactly like most of the world does. Why are we supporting a "country" that has stabbed us in the back so many times? These people are on the side of the Albanians and Americans for Christ's sake!

Albaians were considered by Byzantine chrocicles to be Illyrian.

Black eagle


Can you name a single Byzantine historian that make such a claim.I bet you cant and is your usual albanian fart .

Makedonec,
No, about northern Epirus you are wrong and I know it first hand from Serbs who live in Albania (there are Serbs living at the north). Northern Epirus is not claimed by Greece, but there are ethnical Greeks who live there. Now that Albania created problems to them, Greece threatened to veto Albania's membership in the EU and as far as I know the EU backs Greece. That I know for sure, because it happened a few weeks ago. I also heard that Edi Rama agreed to comply with Greece's requirements, but I don't know what those requirements are or any details.
So Greece didn't have a good reason to veto Albania in NATO. Now that Albania gave Greece a reason to veto for the EU, Greece will veto, unless Albania complies.

If you think that Greece or any other NATO country could stop USA from bombing Serbia, then you really don't know what NATO is.

About number 3, international bodies and security organizations does not mean EU and NATO. Afterall, Greece did not even support Kosovo's membership in UNESCO. That says it all.

Your country has been supportive of KosMet's independency since day 1 and you are here trying to convince us that Greece, a country that does not recognzie KosMet, does. I hope you realize how ridiculous you sound.

To any Greek who may be reading the comments here:
This 'rote' person is NOT Serbian. He is Russian (and actually the uneducated type). Serbs know that Macedonia is Greece.

HELLENIC SWORD

Good luck and tons of patience man. The amount of propaganda they've been fed is huge. Vardarska will never be Macedonia ;-)

@MKD"You would disregard "the truth"
But that's EXACTLY what you outrageously do:
David Gordon Mitten, James Loeb Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, Harvard University
"We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paeonia, who speak Slavic – a language and PEOPLE introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander – can claim him as their national hero.  Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek"
Kallisthenes, The History of Alexander, 1.37.9-10 [Kallisthenes: Alexander's personal historian, who escorted him at his campaigns.]"Now you fear punishment and beg for your lives, so I will let you free
Jonathan M. Hall, “Classical Archaeology and the Ancient Historian”, University of Chicago, 2014, p.103-104:       
“The claim on the part of the Slavic Republic to the name Macedonia and to its inhabitants' descent from the ancient Macedonians represented, at best, a theft of [Greek] national property, heritage, and identity, and, at worst, a thinly veiled irredentist aspiration to the [Greek] territory the Slavs [by themselves] termed as 'Aegean Macedonia”
Plutarch, Parallel Lives, Alexander the Great "I do not distinguish among men, as the narrow-minded do,both among [us] Greeks and Barbarians. I am not interested in the descendants of the citizens or their racial origins. I classify them using one criterion: their virtue. For me every virtuous foreigner is a Greek, and every evil Greek worse than a Barbarian"

Skenderbeu 1444
Magazine? :D   Actually this was from the magazine "Under the Bridge" where you live. Now read:
Plutarch "Parallel Lives", Book V, 34.1 (1st c. BC):     
"...Then leaving Afranius in charge of Armenia, Pompey himself proceeded against Mithridates, and of necessity passed through the peoples dwelling about the Caucasus mountains. The greatest of these peoples are the Albanians and the Iberians, of whom the Iberians extend to the Moschian mountains and the Euxine Sea, while the Albanians lie to the eastward as far as the Caspian Sea..."

Albanians in Caucasus ASIA during the 1st BC.
Seven centuries later where were the Albanians?

Stephanus of Byzantium, Historian Geographer, "Ethnica", 6th c. AD
               "...Albania is the land south of Iberia. There lies the nation of the Albanians who are shepherds and moderately warriors and live between the Iberians and the Caspian Sea..."

Still in Caucasus ASIA the 6th AD.

Macedonians are and will be Serbian brothers and friends. Greeks on the other hand are closer with Albanians then with Slav population.

Greece did not VETO, therefore approved NATO bombing of Belgrade.
Greece recognize Kosovo
Greece did not VETO Albania in NATO!!!!!

@Makedonec
Bulgarians are nt famous for their IQ level, but you go beyond any record, pal.

1. Greece NEVER bombed Serbia and even the 5 year old in Serbia know that. And I have another story to tell you: In Spring 1999, FYROM offered its land to NATO, so that NATO would bomb us. Then NATO wanted to transfer weapons from the NATO Base in MACEDONIA, the region in northern GREECE, to FYROM and start bombing. The Greek public found out. Do you know what they did? Greeks went at the borders and closed the borders for two weeks with their cars and trucks. No NATO truck could move aything from Greece to FYROM. Bill Clinton was threatening Greece every single day and I have watched those videos with Clinton's threats to Greece. In the end, NATO used the ships in the Adriatic Sea to bomb us.
STOP LYING, YOU HUMILIATE YOURSELF.

As I said, Greece had no legal reason to veto Albania in NATO. You know, If Greece could veto without a legal reason, Greece would start with Turkey. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to get that.

And now I have a 2nd story to tell you: In 1992, Milosevic went to Greece and asked Greece to bomb you and then divide the land between Serbia and Greece. Greece could take your entire country within 3 hours. Yet, Greece refused. And if you were smart, you'd try to fix your relationship with Greeks, because they can be your strongest ally in the region against albanians.

I had two family members living in Greece during almost the entire war period so there were days I even knew the frontpage of Greek newspapers. Later on, I searched myself. If you were not so brainwashed yourselves, you too would know the real facts.
Regarding the "truth" that the one of you suggests about Milosevic: Let me ask you something, do you seriously believe that Greece, the country with the strongest Army in the Balkans,needed Milosevic to invade you? Are you nuts? Only the Greek Air Force could take you down in 3 hours. And they still can easily, since you want to hear it.
Milosevic asked Greece to bomb you because he already had too many enemies to deal with, inside and outside Jugoslavia. It is also possible he was trying to make Greece participate militarily in the war, but that's my opinion.

About our friendship with you, my only friends in FYROM are the ones who identify themselves as pure Serbs. The rest of you, who are the majority by far, are Bulgarians who live on Serbian soil. You are using your problems with ALbanians to approach us, because you are alone. You have no allies inside or outside the Balkans. The fact that we support you over Albanians does not mean that we will ever support you over Greece. That will never happen. If you want us to be friends, unrecognize Kosovo immediately and stop using the Greek name.

HELLENIC SWORD

4/ Greeks were always good friends of the Slavs and they played the second big role in the military Horde state of ours. Greeks were our Orthodox Brahmans (B-respectfuls) during the so called Early Christians and our first Patriarchs during the Apostolic Christianity launched by Prince Dmity I Ivanovic aka Constantine I Great. So it is strange to hear the agression in your words. You sound rather Shqiptar and if so I can tell you about an Albanian village called Athens now. But Albanians most often were Slavs too.

5/ After Prince Dmitry called himself Constantine he moved his religious capitol to Tsargrad in 1380 and took his Greek Patriarch. After he was killed on Kosovo Field in 337 (current 1389) his descendants ruled from Bosphorus. But in 1445 the Greek Patriarch flew from the civil capitol of Veliki Novgorod to Constantinople. Soon Slavs launched war that brought them to Constantinople in 1453. Some of the Greeks like Nicolas V ran to Vatican to provoke war against the Horde.

6/ It was then that the name of Alexander of Macedon appeared first. Never before it had been mentiones in any source. More than that in the oldest manuscript about Alexander there are notes made where parallels between Mehmet II and Alexander were too evident. Shall I tell you that the 53 day attack at Constantinople started from the place known as Macedonia ? Think twice before you aggree.

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@HELLENIC SWORD
Athens was old Albanian village and then north Ethiopia modern grease was peopled by SLAVS

Very interesting debate but let us all contribute with our knowledge in a civilized matter and without being emotionally involved @ hellenic sword. Will write again Rote.

Serbia still remains to act like a typical Balkan nation, fighting with Macedonia now because recognized Kosovo. Macedonia's way of thinking has been changed since many years ago and it has forgotten the balkan attitude, now is more ahead, modern and less balkan, that's why it has problems with the countries who think more like hundreds years ago. Well, wake up Serbia, it is 21st century, you can't make ethnic cleansing If you don't like certain people. No one will support that. If you think sending a train to Kosovo with nationalist stickers that propagates hatred is a healthy for a normal country, then you shall never join EU nor any international organization. Maybe you should try to synchronize with the middle east. You'll fit more with them in that area.

I admire the Macedonians ! Greeks helped them to strengthen their national mentality to survive in the hostile surrounding. They are good Slavs I think. God knows what made the Serbs spoil their relations with this brave people. Because Serbs themselves are in a similar position. It won't improve the already good relations with Greece but it will tribute the anti-Serb front. Looks like Dacic is also deputy FM of Kosovo de facto rulers and of BIH and of Croatia and of Bulgaria.

Most of the UN members have problems with self identification but it's the first time when one member privatized to say nothing that it's Rus word ... I hate to use words Rus and especially it German version (Russian) when it comes to the period before 17-th century. I prefer word Slavic that is more correct. But this time it is really a Rus word coz Alexander of Macedon means AlexanDar Of The White River. White Rivers (Volga and Oka) were the heart of the Rus civilization and if someone insist on his Greek origin let's talk about his conquest of Siberia and Asia in 15-16 centuries.

Greeks never kept swords in their hands as they were caste of the Orthodox Brahmans called priests since 15 century but if someone is persistent enough I have plenty of questions that had demoralized many Greeks here. But please don't be agressive as I feel deep sympathy for the Greeks and don't even try to provoke me for any anti-Greek statement. Greeks and Macedonians are two close though different peoples.

He wrote to hsi father that when he will buy him the ticket for sumemr holidays he wanted to take two of his friends from the university who were speaking Albanian language. So, two Albanians went on summer holydays together with their friend in the place called Burria and when they arrived there they remaned senseles when they realized that they were speaking Albanian Langauge(surely in dialect). The boy's father since he was the Governor of Burria accepted them with a lot of pleasure and explained to them many interesting things and told to them that beyong the monuntains on the Indian part live our people in a place calles Kaushet(Qaushet). i think that they didn't settle there after the murder of Achilles(Cleats), but they remained there when Alexander the Great decided to come back from India to Babylon and older soldiers who were Phillip's soldiers, bedore leaving he asked them to go through Hindu Kush, an easier way for older people. Whereas he left himself, Petale, India, through the desert of Makran, a very difficult and dangerous road. Whereas half of the army leaded by Narkos was aksed by him to go through the Indian Ocean, thinking that he will be connected with Nile and will come out in the Mediterranean Sea. I think that those who were sent through Hindi Kush about six thousand soldiers stopped in actual Burria. To be continued

@HELLENIC SWORD “Greeks are those who speak Turkish but profess the Christian religion of their ancestors.”

Greece in the Twentieth Century Theodore A.
Couloumbis page 25

So you think Greeks are your friends? Think again...

Greece did not VETO Albania in NATO!!!!!!!

Slanderous 1444

Again with the idiotic Albanian pseudohistory of ZERO evidences to prove it (not a SINGLE reference)... So, I guess this remains: The origins of the Albanians:
Strabo, "Geographica", Book XI, 1.6
       "As we pass from Europe to Asia in our geography, the northern division is the first of the two divisions to which we come; and therefore we must begin with this. Of this division the first portion is that in the region of the Tanais River, which I have taken as the boundary between Europe and Asia. This portion forms, in a way, a peninsula, for it is surrounded on the west by the Tanais River and Lake Maeotis as far as the Bosporus and that part of the coast of the Euxine Sea which terminates at Colchis; and then on the north by the Ocean as far as the mouth of the Caspian Sea; and then on the east by this same sea as far as the boundary between Albania and Armenia, where empty the rivers Cyrus and Araxes, the Araxes flowing through Armenia and the Cyrus through Iberia and Albania; and lastly, on the south by the tract of country which extends from the outlet of the Cyrus River to Colchis, which is about three thousand stadia from sea to sea, across the territory of the Albanians and the Iberians, and therefore is described as an isthmus"

Makedonec, you are so full of BS.
Greece does not have a Kosovo Embassy in Athens. Go ahead and google "Kosovo Embassy in Athens" and if you find the site of such "Embassy", let me know. There is an OFFICE of Kosovo in Athens which is NOT an Embassy, since Greece does not recognize KosMet (as opposed to your country, which does).
Few months ago my sister went to a store in Belgrade to buy tea and the tea label was "Made in Kosovo". Same story happened last month in a store that sells shoes. I am more concerned with the "made in Kosovo" products which Serbia accepts to "import" from our own land, rather than Athens' having an informal Kosovo office.

Greece did NOT bomb Serbia, on the contrary Greece and the Greek citizens did everything in their power to help Serbia, despite USA's public threats against Greece.

The only country which sent food and meds to the Serbs in RS was Greece. Most of us still keep a bag of Greek salt or a bottle of Greek olive oil as a souvenir.

Your real enemy is inside your country. But you were too busy building fake statues of heroes that have never been yours. You were too busy revising the Serbian and Greek History. You were too busy hating Greece, though if Greeks had wished to invade and occupy your country they would have done so in less than 24 hours.

We have a common enemy you and us. But this does NOT make us allies. And we will NEVER EVER go against Greece. If you seek to find allies to harm Greece, talk to the Turks.

HELLENIC SWORD let me be a Slavic shield:

1/ It's a big question if the "ancient Greeks" and Hellenic were absolutely the same peoples. Because Greek meant Orthodox religion but not an ethnical identity. Besides there were no nations in the current meaning before the 17th century when the Great Roman Mongol Slavic Horde disintegrated.

2/ They tell us as if Cyrillic was made out of the Greek alphabet but it's a total absurd. You cannot pour 2 liters into a 1 liter bottle. So it's strange to hear that 42 Cyrillic letters were made out of 24 Greek ones. I guess it was quite the opposite to say nothing of Glagolitsa and other Slavic aphabets.

3/ ALEXANDAR was the correct name composed of Greek ALEXIS and Slavic DAR (gift) while in word MACEDON there's nothing Greek at all. It is composed of prefix M and two Rus words (AK = WHITE) + (DON = RIVER). AK is a Turkic word now but in old times Rus and other peoples of this country spoke more Turkic than Slavic. Word DON is an old Rus word for water and river and it is still used in the same meanings by the Ossetians who always accompanied our hordes. Letter E is called "izafet" (like Halk-e Don) showing that word AK belongs to DON as it is in Persian and some other languages. Altogether we have M AK-E DON = OF THE WHITE RIVER i.e. of OKA (AKA) or of VOLGA river that both mean WHITE. Other "Greek" words like POSEI DON = SOW/PLANT RIVER are constructed the same way. Let's talk about it.

continued - do not relax !

The totality of the comments & the story is idiotic.please be civil to each other and call each other by a name of their choosing.

Greek brothers, Greek brothers.. but Greece did not VETO Serbia bombing by NATO did it?

Names change meaning with time. Britannia and Hispania were Ancient Roman Empire names. Today they have zero to do with Italy. N(e)apoli was an Ancient Greek city, today Italians inhabit and keep the same name Napoli. Same with Macedonia.

Rote

You remind me of someone that i saw couple of months ago on the high street where i live dress as napoleon and shouting he was the one.It's the same issue with you shouting about Russia's invented pseudo-past.The only famous russian the outside world are familiar with is rasputin-no one else.Period.

@Hellene "The principle thesis of this chapter is that the Western orientation of modern Greece, and the related drive to 'regenerate' ancient Hellas, have been at the core of a strong national myth that transformed the multilingual and multicultural Christian community of the southern Balkans into a modern nation and the fragmented geographical entity into a unified nation-state."
Greece: The Modern Sequel, from 1831 to the Present
By Giannēs Koliopoulos, Thanos M. Veremis , page 264

@HELLENIC SWORD
You are an turk, Ethiopian, Slav or Albanian? you are proud Greek : )

From Magazine "The Bridge" - "I became a friend of the Church's Council and after some days one of the church advisors called çiko phones me to let me know about their difficult position. During the conversation he told me that he found that I was interested about the history of Albanians and he wanted to show me what his father or his grandfather had told him. He told to me that his father had graduated at the Cairo University and as a student he went for a walk together with an Albanian student. A student of another nationaliy joined them too, their friend. While, they were walking they spoke in Arabic language. When they had to talk about something that was secret they spoke in Albanian in order not to be understood by their friend. Their friend kept quiet and when they finished the conversation he told them that he understood everything, and that he speaks that language too. Two Albanian students remained amazed and asked him why he didn't tell what he had studied Albanian language. He swore that he had never studied Albanian, but that language was spoken in his birthplace. They told him how could be spoken the Albanian language there; that he came from the cursed devil in Pakistan near India.He esplained them that his country was called Burria(men)(Burushu) and surely all of them were burria (men-soldiers) of Alexander the Great. The two Albanian stubborn students didn't believe to him. The boy became nervous becouse they called him a liar. To be continued

BLACK EAGLE@
But most importantly you should read how luck played a bad game against your Albanian ancestors in Caucasus (Asia), READ:
Plutarch "Parallel Lives", Book V, 35.4:
       "...The Amazons inhabit the parts of the Caucasus mountains that reach down to the Hyrcanian Sea, and they DO NOT border on the Albani, but Gelae and Leges dwell between. With these peoples, who meet them by the river Thermodon, they consort for two months every year; then they go away and live by themselves..."

Gelae and Leges got all the chicks

Makedone:

1 and 2. Greece could not block NATO, do you think Greece or any other NATO member can stop alone USA? Are you that stupid? But Greece: Sent us weapons, food, meds, clothes, gasoline, doctors and money. Greeks volunteered in Srebrenica and later on in KosMet.

3. How could Greece veto? What would they say? We veto cause we don't like Albanians? Give us a reason why Greece would veto Albania in NATO. They veto you cause you use the name to verify your territorial claims over Greece.

4-5. But Greece does not recognize KosMet ;-) YOU DO.

6. Nope, Greece has never expreseed any willingness to accept KosMet in NATO/EU, after all Greece does NOT recognize KosMet. YOU DO ;-)

7. Is this the same Greek Minister who later on refused to vote "FOR" in UNESCOs's voting about KosMet's membership? ;-) What did you vote again in that voting? That's right ;-)

Go look on the mirror next time you want to talk about nations who stabbed Serbs in the back.

@Skenderbeu 1444
From a non nationalistic standpoint, I agree with your assessment. The preservation of peace is dependent on both communities to resolve issues peacefully and equally. I have issues with Albanians, but also I'm a critic that doesn't say Albanians were not present in the Balkans 2000yrs ago. The name change should reflect all communities in MK, as most inhabitants are old settlers and the Slavic component is about 17% in all males there.

If the "Macedonians" insult us serbs with the name "Republic of Kosovo", we should have no choice but to call them by what they really are and that's FYROM. This has nothing to do with Serbian-Greek friendship, but fighting for our national interests and the truth!
(Serbian-Canadian, 20 January 2017 20:07)

Just remove the "and the truth" part because you just wrote yourself that if the "Macedonians" were not insulting you, then you would disregard "the truth" and call their country "Macedonia".

@HELLENIC SWORD
“Popular Science Monthly” Volume LXXV, July to December 1919, edited by J. Mckeen Cattell, page 591

“The modern Greeks are largely of Slavic origin. They are not the descendants of the ancient Greeks. That noble race greatly mixed with barbarian blood during the middle ages, was completely destroyed in the course of the
frequent uprisings against Turkish rule. Slavic immigrants gradually peopled the country.”

lol north Ethiopia was people by Slavs.

The Murder of Jugoslavija, USA and England bring Hitlers soul back to life !!!

Germany and the Roman Catholic Empire the big winner, South Slavs the big loosers !!!

Now the South Slavs broken into small splinters, poverty, isolation, dehumanization and demonization !!!

All I can say to my Dear serbian Brothers and Sisters of the Otacbina is to survive Unite with Dear Mother Russia !!!

Which is the name Serbs called this country during Jugoslavia? The same should call it today if not is just hypocrisy.

@ hellenic sword dont be so stupid. can you explain to me how these ancient albanians reached india and pakistan? you can't - thats the point. Rote has his own explanation I have mine own. But this has nothing to do with the actual status of "Macedonia" The problem here is that both albania and serbia recognized macedonia for inercy, without thinking about the consequences. The main consequence for albanians is that we became a minority while greeks who are very smart and have contacts with macedonia's albanians have always said that the only solution would be recognizing this fake state by its only name- federation of albanians and slavs! two entities, two ethnic communities, not a majority and a minority. you want to backstabb albanians now?

@ Rote The language is called “burushaski” and it is a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements.
@ Hellenic Sword The magazine “The Bridge” page 25 is referenced here:
http://www.forumishqiptar.com/threads/39865-Aleksandri-i-Madh-gjuha-burashaski-dhe-ilir%C3%ABt-e-Pakistanit
Now the guy who has posted part of the article has unfortunately not provided detailed information on this magazine but I have no doubt the information is true.

Short documentary on three tribes of ancient Illyrians living in Pakistan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgqc10_pyWQ
Minimal bibliography:
Jay Milton Hoffman “Hunza: Fifteen secrets of the healthiest and oldest living people”, Professional Press Publishing Assoc, 5th Ed., Valley Center, 1985.
Etienne Tiffou, “Hunza Proverbs”, University of Calgary Press, Calgary, 1993
In Albanian and for Albanians:
https://vargmal.org/dan81

Albanian's were troops of the white horde.
Rote
Leave out your constant b*****ks.I need sources not farts.

Shall i stop here?

Rote

I don't need the same bs you cut and paste daily.I asked the albanian character below going by the name blk eagle to give me his sources on his claims that byzantine historians confirm that albanians are illyrians.I don't need you to confirm your sources cos you havent got any.You're just a troll with mythomaniac fantasies.

Macedonian, I second Grobar's claim that Milošević asked Greece to invade FYRM and split the country between Serbia and Greece. That information was not aired in Serbia, since Milošević had the total control of the Press, but any Serb who had family members in Greece during the '90s can verify it and moreover any Serb who went one step further and gathered information about the war, after the war ended, knows it. It was 1 - 1.5 year before Karadžić visited Athens and during his visit Greece accepted to provide him full support.
To return to the story, Milošević didn't want to start a war with you, because he felt too weak to open a new front. He asked Greece to invade you and split the land between Serbia and Greece and in the (new) Greek borders he would move Serbs, so that Greece wouldn't have to border with offspring of Bulgarians who were dreaming to steal her land. Greece refused through her PM and to my best of knowledge the Greek citizens agreed with his refusal. If there is one thing I blame Greece during the Yugoslav war, that's the one. Then Milošević suggested to Greece that Serbia, FYRM and Greece form a new Federation. Greece refused again. Then Milošević flirted with the idea of creating a Federation with Russia and Belarus.

As for us being friends with you, we are not friends with people who recognize KosMet or with people who want to harm our Greek brothers. Get over it.

rote,
The "decent" country of FYROM, as you called it, is not only unafair to Serbia. It is also unfair to Greece. On the one hand, FYROM condemns the greater Albania, on the other hand FYROM wants a greater 'Macedonia'. You say you support them only because they are Slavs. That shows what kind of man you are. I supprt Greece, because that's the fair thing. I say that Kosovo is Serbia because that's the fair thing. I support Russia in Donbas because that's the fair thing.
If you can't understand that, you have no place here. In all our battles we died for what's fair. For our freedom. We never died to harm another nation and steal their land. Other nations did that to us. If you can't understand that, you have NO PLACE HERE.

MACEDONIA IS GREEK LAND, GREEK NAME. Serbs and Greeks - brothers for ever.

Let’s look at a fact, Serbia recognized Macedonia 2 decades ago, while all others would not. If that’s not respect I don’t know what is. What did FYROM do?...... Allowed NATO to bomb poor Kosovar Serbs (who by the way are genetically closest to us in FYROM) from its territory. Then they recognized Kosovo?! Hello!!!!!....and now you’re pissed because the toll tickets say FYROM??...please, give me a break and grow up. Come on bro, there’s no excuse for that behavior, and you can’t blame the pressure from the west for recognizing Kosovo. Look at the daily pressure Serbia receives because of Russia! You don’t see them caving in and joining the bogus sanctions against them. There is absolutely ZERO backbone in the government of FYROM period. Look, I may have an issue with my brother, but you better believe if you come trying to knock him I will defend him. As far as the example of music……if I comment so much against a nation, how does it make sense to listen to their music? If you have integrity you just won’t! You have to stand by your word in all aspects even if the music sounds good. By your viewpoint, you must listen to Albanian music as well then!

Macedonia is Greece the real name of the 'Macedonia' is FYROM.The greek people get angry of that before maybee 50 years until today

Serbia has sabotaged relations with all its neighbors
Croatia and Hungary of recent is that what the Serbian Govt want to continue to do?

if it wants to exercise its rights over Kosovo do it in another way by not attacking Macedonia
it can ask for influence by bankrupt Greece or even approach Russia
have a go at Montenegro first, then the EU and United States who took Kosovo away in the first place
and stop blaming Macedonia
for what end to satisfy the Greeks
as for the Greeks they have no position in this diplomatic affair between Serbia and Greece

Goce Delčev was a Bulgarian born in Greece. The Slavic Macedonians have claimed him which is fine for they too are ethnic Bulgarians. They also claimed from Bulgaria They also claimed the Bulgarian Andon Lazov Kjoseto as their own. Again that’s fine for they are ethnic Bulgarians and speak the same language. They also claim the Greek Alexander The Great as their own which is not fine for he was born in Greece to Greek parents. They also claim Mother Theresa as their own which is not fine for she was Albanian. When will the historical distortion in this country stop? Only they know. Cultural identity is controlled in Europes own theme park called Skopje. Identity building gone wrong and it’s only going to get worse unless they have a Slavic awakening and revolt. Raise arms and liberate yourselves from the conservative government that has attempted to brainwash its population. The Albanians need to stop taking bribes from Gruevski for only they can stop him.
Demolish your cheap Italian reproduction statues and take back your country. Burn your Greek symbol flags. Embrace your Bulgarian heritage and become part of the European community. Thank the Greek s for alphabet. Apologies for your governments behavior. Pay retributions for cultural theft and all will be forgiven.

Skenderbeu

I feel sorry for and I went thruogh it 7-8 years ago ... You need this book. They give plenty of documents and facts that Tamerlane and Mehmet II were one man ... both Russians. In this book there are texts of the prayors for the sake of this Rus Saint worshipped in the Russian churches and they give also portraits of the two. Unfortunately in the link you will not find the full text.

http://chronologia.org/en/prorok/index.html

For the time being I can offer only the Russian text.

http://chronologia.org/prorok/m03_03.html


read also

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_26.html

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_26.html#the27

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_26.html#the28

http://chronologia.org/en/car_slav/index.html

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

http://chronologia.org/en/films/mystification.html

At least he admits using the name Macedonia is the right thing to do.
As he admits they started using fyrom just for retaliation.
Good to know

Rote@
So one thing remains, and will remain TO ETERNITY: These below define the IDENTITY of a Nation:
- your language = Slavic
- personal names = Slavic
- names of places = Slavic
- alphabet = Slavic (Cyrillic)
- culture = Slavic
- recorded history = Slavic
SLAVS
You're INDISPUTABLY and IRREVOCABLY a Slavic nation.
The macedons all the above had them all Greek = Greeks.

Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, Macedonian Redux, p.260
          "...Modern Slavs, both from the Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians cannot establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans TEN centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander..."

*7) Macedonians in “ancient” China.

The so-called “ancient Chinese history” contains many references to the nation of Qidani – the alleged descendants of the Syanbi, or the Serbs, qv above ([212], page 131). Furthermore, the Qidani are said to have been a South-Eastern Serbian tribe ... the nation in question might identify as the Macedonians, the southern neighbours of the Serbs. The languages of the two nations are extremely similar, and the Macedonians were occasionally referred to as the Southern Serbs ... The Qidani are said to have founded a state in China in the X century A. D. ... We shall return to the history of the Macedonians, or the Qidani, somewhat later. For the meantime, let us just point out that the language of the Macedonians is believed to be the prototype of Church Slavonic, which had been used in Russia as the official language for a long enough time. Also, the actual creators of the Church Slavonic Cyrillic alphabet, the “Solun Brothers” Cyril and Methodius, are believed to hail from the city of Solun located on the territory of Macedonia, and are most likely to have been Macedonian. Thus, there are parallels between the ancient Russian culture and the Slavic culture of Macedonia ... the state of the “Qidani who had fled China” became the progenitor of the future “Mongolian” Empire, or The Horde (Russia), which we can identify as the Great Russian Empire of the Horde ...

http://chronologia.org/en/seven5/empire06_01.html

The character of Moses comprises: the Golden Horde Khan of the first half of the XV century Olugh Mokhammad (of Kazan) or Ulug Mehmed (the Great Mahomet or Muhammad) the founder of Kazan (=Medina?); the Ataman (Ottoman) sultan Mehmed I (1402-1421); the Ataman (Ottoman) sultan Murad II (1421-1451); the Ataman (Ottoman) sultan Mohamed II the Conqueror(1451-1481) ...

This very epoch is the same 'ancient classical' epoch of the wars of the Macedonian King Phillip II the Conqueror. It is at the same time the epoch of Kham Olugh-Mehmet in Russian History, circa 1420-1450 ...

The Biblical epoch of Joshua Ben Nun, who succeeded Moses, is the time of the Ottoman conquest, beginning with seizure of Czar-Grad in 1453 by Mohamed II, and culminating in the peak of the golden age under Suleiman the Magnificent (1520-1566). Suleiman was known as AL-QANUNI. It means the GREAT KHAN, as QANUNI AND KHAN only slightly differ in pronunciation ...

This epoch is also the epoch of Alexander the Great of Macedonia who continued the conquest of Phillip II. The figure of Alexander is multi-layered. He embodied both the events of the XV century (Olugh-Mohamed I, Mohamed II the Conqueror and also of the XVI century. Including events from the life description of Andronicus-Christ of the XII century ...

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_15.html

Skenderbeu : They told him how could be spoken the Albanian language there; that he came from the cursed devil in Pakistan near India.

There's only one explanation that I was writing here several times and it explains why you still call yourself Albanians. There was only one chance for the Shqiptars reach India. They had to be part of the Slavic Conquest of the world. There are several other ethnical groups that stayed there after the Great Albanian Horde.


"ГЕОГРАФИЯ" КЛАВДИЯ ПТОЛЕМЕЯ

http://chronologia.org/old_map/st1_05_2.html

Rote

You remind me of someone that i saw couple of months ago on the high street where i live dress as napoleon and shouting he was the one.It's the same issue with you shouting about Russia's invented pseudo-past.The only famous russian the outside world are familiar with is rasputin-no one else.Period.

(andrew, 21 January 2017 16:34)

I gave you my LIKE coz it was me. I failed to find cloths of Adam so I became Napoleon. Because Napoli/Neapol/Novgorod was a Rus city ... By the way Rasputin was great grandfather of Vladimir Putin. Of cource Russians have no other achievements in science, sport, culture, wars, education and if not Rasputin you would not even know what Russia is. Is it a sort of cheese or a tampax or a bacteria ... Who would care if not Ra-Ra-Rasputin !

@ Rote The language is called “burushaski” and it is a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements.

It will stop looking strange as soon as you begin to see the thngs under the angle that I do. There were two waves of colonization of Asia by the Whites. Persian (like Arabian, Latin) was one of the artificial languages of the Horde and it was in a great degree developed on the basis of Slovensli. That's why it is so close to the Slavic languages. It was close not only phonetically but also geographically to the Balkans as it was one of the two corner stones of the Osmani language. Besides During Ivan III Grozny the empire was divided for 2 parts and Stanbul became responsible for Africa and South Asia.

So "a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements." was not strange at all. You will open your eyes if you look different at ordinary things. What you think Iranian element could quite be taken from Osmani language.

Dadan is a Persian/Osmani for "give" while DAD is the past prfect form of DADAN. Say Baghdad = Bogdad = Bozidar = God Given. There are many Persian words in the European languages but they do not notice them or call them some phantom Indo-European ancestor. So if the Shqiptars were inside the Great Horde it was natural for them to borrow words from Slavic, Arab and Persian languages.

continued

@ Rote The language is called “burushaski” and it is a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements.

PART-2

Persians are Slavic descendants in a great degree. See R1a and R1b in their happlogroup or the biography of their last Shah-in-Shah M.R.Pehlevi who's father was a Cossack colonel.

Baltic elements won't look strangers if you examine the Slavonic happlogroups of the locals. Even word BALT means WHITE in 2 out of 3 languages and thus Baltic Sea = Sea of the Whites. So the Estonians, Lithuanians and the Latvians were Albanians too.

Same with Arabian language developed first as a secret code for the hordes to communicate in the colonies. Arabian ABEL = A-BEL = BELI = WHITE ... Prefix A was often used in words (Amurat, Arab ect.) that Arabs, Turks failed to pronounce ... Arabs (A-rab) were slaves so they could not be Albanians.

I twice placed here Serbian toponymals in Tibet found by a Serbian traveller in 19 century but none of the Serbs showed any interest. They Just gave their likes and their poor comments to forget about it forever. Meanwhile mediaeval Tibet was dozens of times bigger than the current one. It included 20-30% of China, Viet Nam, Tailand, Birma, Laos, Kampuchea ect. But nobody asked me to give the full list of the toponymals or the links. Because it will contradict the history they already have.

@ HELLENIC SWORD
“Race or Mongrel”  page, 92 Alfred P. Schultz

“From the foregoing it is evident that but very little Hellenic blood is left in Greece, and that little is so thoroughly vitiated that its disappearance is but a question of time. No race inhabits Greece. The ‘Greeks’ are
descendants of races so different that their crossing can never produce anything else than human mongrels. Their ancestors were Greeks, Hellenized Asiatics and Byzantine Greeks (i.e. Hamitic-Semitic-Greek-
Egyptian-Negroid mongrels), Slavs, Sicilians, Spaniards, Huns, Bulgarians, Walloons, Franks and Albanians.”

Response to (Macedonian, 23 January 2017 21:41) (part 3 of 3)

In 1993/94/95 Greece and Serbia had developed actual plans to invade and partition macedonia, however the problem with partitioning Macedonia was that both greece and serbia believed that they could not contain any conflict in Macedonia without also bringing Bulgaria inside the tent (bring them into the fold), however Bulgaria was not interested in making any (secret) agreements with Serbia and Greece to partition Macedonia without also having an agreement in place with Romania and Turkey as they believed that they could be betrayed again by Serbia like they were in the first Balkan war 1912, and risked being attacked again on all sides like they were in second Balkan war 1913, however Romania refused to make any deals with bulgaria fearing the precedent it might have made in there proxy war with Russia over Moldova (transnistria) (who knew Balkan politics was so complicated ah). So in essence Macedonia survived the 1990’s because of Romania, and the acknowledgement (by the powers that be) that any conflict in Macedonia would have likely not have been contained and would have engulfed all of the Balkan states in a full scale war not seen in Europe since WW2 and could have resulted in both Greece and Serbia being on the losing side so they backed down.

At the end of the day, there is absolutely no loyality from Macedonia towards Serbia. It must be the 'church recognition' and the fact Yugoslavia took all major weapons out of Macedonia in 1992.

As someone from northwestern Macedonia (Sar Planina), it was always disappointing to most of us from that area in how MK treated Serbia. Macedonia deserves all it gets now from the Albanians! The MK govt allowed NATO to bomb Serbia, and in return the so called albanian refugees spit on MK in 2001.

Macedonia needs to change that name immediately to a factual historical name; such as 'Paonija'. I can't stress that enough! The current slavs are a mix of old settlers (vlachs, illyrian and Slavs that came there).

I can't tell you guys how the Macedonian diaspora at weddings plays majority Serbian songs at their weddings, yet talk smack about Serbia. Sramota i bruka!

4.3. The war between the Russian “Mongol and Tartar” Horde and the “ancient” Alexander the Great.

Let us try and analyse the legends of the enormous wall allegedly built by Alexander the Great to shut off Gog and Magog ... some of these allegedly “ancient” accounts of Alexander the Great and Gog and Magog appear to have been written in the Western Europe around the XVI-XVII century. In CHRON1 A. T. Fomenko demonstrates that among the real events that later legends of Alexander the Great were based upon we find the Ottoman (or simply Ataman) conquests of the XV-XVI century in particular. The father of Alexander, or the famous “ancient” Philip II is most likely to be identified as Sultan Mohammed II, whose lifetime dates to the XV century A. D. – possibly, a Slav (a Macedonian?).

However, when the above events were dated to the XVII-XVIII century by later chronologists, whether deliberately or accidentally, Alexander of Macedon became the protagonist of the entire epoch. His original, or originals, must have lived in the XV-XVI century. We cannot provide them with any finite identification. Most likely, Alexander of Macedon was an Ottoman (Ataman?), qv in Part 5; however, he became credited for nearly every substantial accomplishment of that epoch, including the construction of the Great Wall as a line of defence against his own kin (the Ottomans/Atamans/Cossacks, also known as Gog and Magog) ...

http://chronologia.org/en/seven5/empire08_04.html

It was only yesterday that I was writing about provocation being a Balkan pastime. No doubt Dacic stuck out his tongue and claimed that his dad was bigger than the Macedonian Foreign Minister's dad. Any chance that these well paid grown men could act like adults just for once and maybe concentrate on things that affect the daily lives of their citizens rather than this load of old bollocks? How many jobs will this create? How much will the respective GDPs grow as a result of this row? Do your jobs.

Skenderbeu

Kalashi people mentioned in the film must have Rus rootes because of their H, L, R1a1, G2a happlogroups. Kalash is a metal pot - same word as Kalashnikov. Cossacks had to stay in the colonies and it wasn't their choice. The recruiting and service system of the Ottomans was a 100% copy of the Horde. Most of them stayed in far away places because after 25 years when they could return their friends in their homelands were grandfathers already while cossacks could only fight and were not adopted to civil life. So monasteries were built for them everywhere. They gave birth to many nations like the Kurds, Afghans, Panjabis, Uzbeks, Kirgis, Kazakh, Uigur, Turkmans, Baluch ect. R1a1 happlogroup makes 25-80% in the mentioned peoples. Same on the Balkans, Turkey and the ME where R1a1 makes 10-35% of the henomes. Many Europeans wrote that in Persia and Anatolia (Natol) Rus people made about 20% controlling all vital points like ports, bridges, roads ect. Evidently Shqiptars could be inside the Slavic Horde and leave their descendants too. As I saw you have a lot of J1 and J2 happlotypes and same 20% of the Rus R1a1. J1 and J2 are Semite markers widely spread only in Dagestan. G2a is also Semite and most spread among the Ossetians, Cherkess (both mamelukes) and among Iranians ana Pashtuns. All that cocktails could appear only during the Horde's conquest that in a great degree was peaceful.

@Grobar
the things you listed are peanuts compared.

1. Greece with NATO bombed and raped Serbia and made Kosovo. Greece wanted the destruction of Serbian territory and creation of Kosovo and Great Albania state. Greece could VETO the bombing, they did not, they wanted it.

2. Greece did not VETO Albania in NATO. Greece wants and prefers Albania in NATO.
Your “brothers” just gave the Albanians in the region big powers. Greece just made your biggest enemy, Albania, part the biggest military alliance in the world. Chameria and Northern Epirus are contested lands between Greece and Albania. They HAD all the reasons to veto, my Serbian friends, just Greece WANTED to give power and strength to Albania.

3. Greeks are afraid of the Slavs and Strong Slavic states way more than they are afraid of Great Albania. Greeks were very afraid of Yugoslavia. And Greeks are afraid of Strong Serbia and Macedonia. That is why Greeks and NATO destroyed Serbia. That is why Greeks take their Albanian friends in NATO.

4. Now Greek services are trying to make Serbia and Macedonia from friendly become hostile.

5. Greece with NATO bombed Serbia and made Kosovo. Greece has Embassy in Pristina. Greece recognizes Kosovo Passports. Greece wants Kosovo in NATO and EU stated by Nikolaos Kotzias in 2015.
Keep on believing “we are your brothers” stories
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=07&dd=15&nav_id=94769

@HELLENIC SWORD

“The Empty Cradle of Democracy” by Alexandra Halkias, page 59
“Until the beginning of the nineteenth century, the average inhabitant of Greece called himself of herself Roman (Romios),
and the (Greek) language Romeika.”

@HELLENIC SWORD

ancient Hellenic history is studied, not modern Romioi rum Greek history. modern Greeks don't have NONE real connection with Helens or other ancient tribes. The Albanoi Albanians Arberore Arbanite Illyrians are recorded as a separate language and heritage HUNDREDS OF YEARS before the creation of the modern Greek state. the revolution of 1821 is a good reminder of you Anatolian Ellethara having freedom because of the brave deeds of the Albanian warriors of Morea which gave you freedom from slavery.

its you modern Romioi rums Greeks which have always been on the wrong side of history, you supported turks to put in prison all the Albanian revolutionary heroes and take the lands of native populations. Greeks had their own pro Nazi groups which fought against the communist Greeks. you supported the imperialistic pan Slavic agenda against the natives since the last 150 years and now all of a sudden you want to go in B92 like some cheap propaganda magicians with tricks to argue for Macedonia after you helped slavs take these lands.

you don't have a real ethnic heritage preserved from the archaic culture of Europe. you only have religious identity same as all Anatolians and Egyptians which arrived in modern region of gr4eece with the population exchanges.

You're just a troll with mythomaniac fantasies.

(andrew)

It's not the first compliment that I have from you. I too believe that the Shqiptars have big problems with self identification but I have no idea what their roots are so I offer no versions. Illiryan one does not work because in mediaeval sources like Orbini or Malala the Illyrians were mentioned as a Slavic ethnos.

Also I stick to the point that the first nations started to appear in 17-th century only. Simply because before that all people were submitted to the single world empire of the Rjurikovici. In fact since 12 century the history of mankind was the history of this one family. Ethnical groups were receiving their names after their military commanders and all the kings were just governors of the territories. So it's a big question who were the Greeks, the Macedonians, the Shqiptars, Serbs, Croats ect.

There are plenty of peoples who have been formed as nations by now. They obtained their national mentallity, culture, territory, religion ect. So insisting that Gagauz people is Russian or the Bashkirs are Brits is simply stupid. Despite their Russian or British happlogroups. Same with the Macedonians, Shqiptars or Greeks. Those are formed nations and we must accept it. History is in the past so we mustn't mix it with the reality we live in.

@makedonec, jedini neprijatelj Makedoniji su Albanci. Ako Grcka zeli da napadne i zauzme Makedonsku zemlju, Grcka vojska bi to uradila za tri sata. Vasi politicari se trude da ukradu Grcko ime i Grcku istoriju, zato sto hoce "veliku Makedoniju", isto kao sto Albanci zele "veliku Albaniju". Najbolja stvar za Makedonce je da naprave dogovor sa Grcima, pre nego sto bude kasno.

Response to (Vasko, 24 January 2017 21:33)

If you want loyalty then buy yourself a dog, but if you want respect, then you have to earn it.

If Serbia wants respect from Macedonia then Serbia has to earn it. Firstly the Serbian FM can start buy not using the offensive FY...M word.

As for Kosovo recognition, Macedonia had no choose, every government formed in Macedonia has had to be in coalition with a minority Albania party, so to keep the peace Macedonia had to reluctantly recognise Kosovo.

As for the name issue, why is it that no one has any issue with modern Arabic speakers in Egypt calling themselves Egyptian (with no prefix), but Slavic speakers who have lived in Macedonia for over 1,000 years can’t call themselves Macedonian? But somehow Greek refugees from Asia Minor who were settled in southern Macedonia 90 years ago (1920s) can call themselves Macedonian at the exclusion of everyone else?

As for Serb music at Macedonian weddings… well why do you play western music at Serb weddings but then talk smack about NATO and the west?

Have a great day Vasko.

@ Vasko Paeonia or Vardaria or federation of alb-slavs I think Serbs and Albanians in Macedonia should collaborate with each other as you represent two ethnic communities that have been brainwashed and used by the majority there. The Swiss kind of federalization is not a bad idea I think and it might be the only solution the only way out if you want this country to exist. Years ago there was a debate regarding the encyclopedy of the macedonian academy where albanians were descrived as tribes who had come from the mountains and from albania. I dont know if they corrected this but thats why albanians have reasons to not trust macedonians.

Slavic language and slavic culture is what constitutes the ethnic identity of Fyrom. distortions of a connection to antiquity are politically motivated by deluded politicians. the slavic inhabitants of FYROM are not related to Ancient Greeks (Alexander & Co). They have been misled by historically uneducated politicians. The only thing that FYROM has is the name - Macedonian, and that has to be surrendered in time. It will give them closure to a very sad chapter in their history. Cultural brainwashing & theft. Any progressive government will have to change their name in order to progress and in order to be accepted by the world community. Slavic culture should be proudly embraced and nurtured. Its only natural. SLAVO MACEDONIA, NEW MACEDONIA, VARDASKA, any of these will do. The days of walking behind the FYROM banner should end.

HELLENIC SWORD

there were only 3 empires in the history of mankind with two of them (ancient Rome in Alexandria and Rome on Bosphorus) regional ones and one (in Rus) as the world empire.

if you mind it please give me any evidence that some ancient Greece or China or Egypt or any other civilization have ever existed.

I'll be very surprised and most likely will accept your argumentations over Macedonia.

Alexander The Great was a Vlach

@ Rote I forgot to add that that area was once called Qafiristan and today it is called Nuristan. Now "qafir" meant "person who has no religion, not a muslim" for Turks. Qafir Arnaut was what Turks called us with so much brotherly love ;) So for the pakistani people those tribes were originally not muslims. Today of course they are nominal muslims as myself. Also I agree with you on that Turkish language was a vehicle for many farsi/persian words.

Skenderbeu : maybe Kalashi are Russians although kala means castle in albanian while kali - horse.

KALA IS A PERSIAN/OSMANI FOR CASTLE IT'S NOT A SHQIPTAR WORD AND IT CAN BE FOUND ON ALL CONTINENTS. BUT THE WORD IS KALASH THAT CAN BE TRACED ONLY IN RUSSIAN. KALASHNIK WAS A PROFESSION OF THOSE WHO MADE COPPER POTS FOR WATER AND OTHER LIQUIDS. LOOKS LIKE IT'SA RUS WORD. THIS PEOPLE ARE POTENTIAL RUS DESCENDANTS AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER DARDANI PEOPLES CONSERVED IN THE MOUNTAINS OF TADJIKISTA, AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN. THEY ALL HAVE SLAVIC APPEARENCE AND HAPPLOGRUOPS. NURISTANI AND BALUCH PEOPLES ALSO CONSIDER THEMSELVES DESCENDANTS OF ISKANDER BUT IT'S STUPID TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A GREEK COMMANDER. ON THE 3RD MINUTE IN YOUR FILM THEY SHOW THE MAP OF THE INVASION AND IT'S THE EXACT MAP OF THE OTTOMAN CONQUEST OF MEHMET II. BESIDES MANY COSSACK BOOKS WERE FOUND IN 19 CENTURY ABOUT THE CONQUEST OF SIBERIA BY ALEXANDER. SO IT COULD NOT BE A GREEK CONQUEST. EVEN TODAY SLAVIC DESCENDANTS EXEED THE CHINESE OR THE INDIANS. EVEN YOU MUST HAVE SOME RUS BLOOD.

Skenderbeu : Qafir Arnaut was what Turks called us

Malaia Arnautskaya and Bolshaya Arnautskaya are famous old streets in Odessa.

I know what Qafir means and I know where Qafiristan is.

And by the ways the Pashruns who dominate in the region call themselves NIM QORAN MANILI = THOSE WHO ACCEPTED HALF OF QURAN ... Though they created the Taliban the Pashtuns in a way remain qafirs because their national Pahtunvalai law is dominating on Islam laws sometimes.

In 90% cases Christianity and Islam were imposed on peoples. Sometimes peacefully and sometimes not.

It's a big problem for me to communicate with you because many things I accept different. Say Turkish language for me is a modified Tatar that was once Rus language as well. Osmani was a great language but in 1932 Ataturk replaced it with an absolutely new language that they called Turkish. I'll give you a link about it all. And it will be a Serbian article.

Skenderbeu

Below is a very good link that I was mentioning in my comments. With the web you will translate it to any language and enjoy information both about the Osmani language and about еру Slavic origin of Mehmet II and his great grandson Suleiman (Соли ман) Qanuni (Хан Уни = Хан великий) ...

http://mumis34.livejournal.com/921695.html

Albaians were considered by Byzantine chrocicles to be Illyrian.

Black eagle

Can you name a single Byzantine historian that make such a claim.I bet you cant and is your usual albanian fart .

(andrew, 23 January 2017 14:12)

Albanians were troops of the White (Albanian) Horde since 19 century called Mongol Tatars. In Europe the Horde was called Rome as well. No Rome in Italy has ever existed outside paper ...

@Grobar

You probably are a lying Greek propaganda. Ili govori malo Srpski druze ajmo. Macedonia knew in advance NATO plans about bombings? PLEASE! Macedonia willingly exposed itself to war? Just because? Are you fucking kidding me? Go tell this story to someone eltse. As I guess you don't have any evidence to support your nonsense lies.

Macedonia and Macedonians were and will be very big friends with the Serbians.

1. There were farmers protesting, but did Greece block the NATO attack? What’s that it did not?
2. Greece is not NATO? NATO is a consensus. Meaning with no agreement of ALL there is no action. Greece agreed and wanted Serbia to be bombed. Or did Greece veto the Serbia bombing?
3. Did Greece accept Albania in NATO? Greece did not VETO Albania in NATO. They could VETO. They want Albania in NATO, big and strong! Your Greek friends.
4. Greece has Embassy in Pristina
5. Greece recognizes Kosovo Passports
6. Greece wants Kosovo in NATO and EU
7. Greek Foreign Minister Nikolaos Kotzias: “Greece will support Kosovo's membership in international bodies and security organizations."
So much for "Grci braca Srba" bolje pazi noz u ledza.

article in link for B92 article from 2015


http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=07&dd=15&nav_id=94769

Your second story makes me certain you are not Serbian, but a Greek propagandist here.

A Serbian would never say this:

“Milosevic went to Greece and asked Greece to bomb you and then divide the land”

But lets assume, this total bullshit you are saying is true for a minute:
You are saying Milosevic asked for Greek help, since he could not win the non existant Macedonian army?

Is that what you are saying? Or he was kind and offered Greece some free land?

Or Milosevic, after Greeks denied, wanted, but could not win over the non existant Macedonian army, so gave up his idea?

The facts were little different:

Greek PM. Constantine Mitsotakis in 1992 asked and proposed, in several letters to Milosevic, to attack and split Macedonia. Milosevic did not approve this.

Macedonia made agreements and understanding with the Serbs in the Yugoslavia wars so there was not a single bullet fired in Macedonia. It all went piecefully, and you are now claming nonsense stories that Milosevic wanted but could not (lol) attack Macedonia. PLEASE

Macedonians and Serbians were, are and will be big friends, redardless of Greek efforts for the contrary.

Greeks show clearly they are big Albanian freinds and prefer Great Albania over Strong Slavic states like Serbia or Macedonia.

Skenderbeu

Fomenko interrogated on TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e803xalsIHg

@HELLENIC SWORD
As a Romioi rum Asian faced Greek you cunts have a lot of nerve throwing around words of Turk and Asian as a slander to other people. but that isn't going to change the fact that you don't have NOTHING to show for preserved heritage from the old culture and tribes. Greeks are more ethnically related to TURKS, Anatolians and Asians than anyone else in Europe. don't try to play your dumb Greek magician tricks here, you know better than anyone else that Albanians are the descendants of the ancient Macedonian, Illyrians and Epirote tribes as stated by various historians from the last 300 years. you modern Greeks were still called as Romioi rums with no mentioned connection to ancient tribes of the city states or surrounding regions.

Alexander NEVER claims to be a "Greek Romioi rum" that's just your own modern fantasy. modern Greeks don't have any real affinity with Alexander and the Macedonians.

@Banja Luka

Did Greece veto NATO bombing of Serbia?
Did Greece veto or accept Albania in NATO?

Our common enemies, have been given NATO backup by Greece.

As for the Serbia bombing shame on you to say Greece only helped Serbia, SHAME on you.


Do you know for 10 years where Serbia got the oil from under the embargo? Who shipped illegally oil to Serbia? Macedonia did.
Do you know how many tons of food, water and help supplies Macedonians send just for the floods in 2014 to Serbia?

Macedonians and Serbs are big friends. Macedonians will allways be grateful that Macedonia managed to exit Yugoslavia wars with no bloodshed. There are so many mix marriadges Serbian-Macedonian in Macedonia.

Kosovo recognition was a very strong USA pressure, no one here ever wants that. As you say we have a common enemy, we had a war in 2001 too.

@ BLACK EAGLE
In “Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe (1770-1945)”, Volume  II, page 141

“It is funny but also sad, to see a social gathering of different Greeks, that is to say Chiots, Cretans, Albanians, Byzantines, Orientals, Ionian islanders and others, where upon the one mixes in Turkish words, the other Italian ones, the other Albanian ones, and in the same gathering, while they are all Greek, they cannot understand each other without the use of a translation or an explanation of each word as it is uttered, with the gathering thus turning into a Babel.”

Skenderbeu

It's a good idea to dig the Osmani archeves as it was the only Horde that has never been occupied by th West. The Ottomans also falsified history but the amount of the documents and the witnesses have restricted their manuever. So it must be a very good place to seek for the truth. But knoledge of Turkish language won't help because it is 80% different from the Osmani.

As for the historical Albanians those were Rus people from Volga and Oka rivers' region. Yet national minorities here were part of the Horde of the Whites. At least 20-30% of the Mamelukes were of Ossetian and Adiga (Kabarda) origin. The rest were Rus Cossacks of the Cherkassi Great Princes. After 1517 when Selim I Yavuz (Grozny) destroyed the Misr (Egypt) Sultanat boys from the Balkans were also drafted to the Mamelukes.

But most of the Mameluke Sultans were of Cherkasy Rus Princes (now Voisko Donskoe) and Caucasians. They all had Arab names but none of them knew Arab even in 19 century. Arabs were just slaves and they still are barbarians with almost no Nobel Prizes in science. Most Arab scientists of the past were Slavs.

Horde was a military state so military people made the elite of the Great State (Великое государство) and when I say that the proto-Shqiptars were inside the Horde I mean it. They could make careers and so could the Hungars, Caucasians, Greeks and other non Slavs who belonged to the Kshatria / warriors' caste. Balkans was the stronghold of the Horde.

Response to (Macedonian, 23 January 2017 21:41) (part 1 of 3)

Its great to see your keen interest in Macedonian history, keep it up. I Suggest you read ‘Unholy Alliance: Greece and Milosevic's Serbia’ written by Takis Michas regarding Serb/Greek plot to invade and partition Macedonia in the 1990s.

What happened in the 1990s is a little more complicated than you might think.

During the breakup of Yugoslavia between 1991-1992 Milosevic did contemplate holding on to Macedonia but did not want to start a war on two fronts (with Croatia to the north and Macedonia to the south which would have likely dragged in Bulgaria and Albania in to the conflict) and so Milosevic choose to focus the serb forces/militias on gaining territory in Croatia and BiH on a slow burn military advance, and decided to play politics in Macedonia by initially removing all military equipment and infrastructure from Macedonia effectively leaving macedonia defenceless in a hostile environment (i.e. surrounded by the four wolfs) and planned to re-enter Macedonia through diplomacy, or force if all else failed, once the conflict in Croatia and BiH was finished. Milosevic’s original plan was to re-create the so called ‘third’ Yugoslavia once the wars were over (incorporating Serbia, Krajina(1/3Croatia), Republica Srbska (2/3BiH), Montenegro and Macedonia).

Response to (Macedonian, 23 January 2017 21:41) (part 2 of 3)
The plan for Macedonia was simple, allow Greece to frustrate macedonia’s independence by disputing Macedonia’s name, flag, constitution and ethnicity. By doing this both Greece and Serbia hoped that Macedonians would willingly want to re-enter the safety of a new Yugoslav federation (minus Slovenia and 2/3Croatia) or if they refused, make it easy for both the Greece and Serbia to invade and partition Macedonia.

However the problem both greece and serbia encountered in Macedonia was even with the name dispute and greek blockade on the Macedonian economy, the Macedonian government and people still wanted to pursue full independence and were not interested in joining any new Yugoslavia.

@Gro
I asked you to speak little Serbian since im conviced you are Greek faking.
“Greece, the country with the strongest Army in the Balkans,needed Milosevic to invade you? “

Firepower was never an issue, as I stated, Macedonia had a non existant army.
Both Greece and Serbia could conquer Macedonia fast. The difference is that Milosevic was already in war, his hands dhirty. And Greece needed a pretex and a contex to enter in the Yugoslav wars,

The international backlash for Greece of such an attack would be much worse. So it was more simple for Greece just to “join” ald leave Milosevic take blame for it.
That is why Greek PM. Constantine Mitsotakis asked Milosevic to attack Macedonia.

The Independence was FIRST agreed upon with Milosevic. So its is hardly thinkable that he wanted to “attack to get back Macedonia” when he could set up a staged unification referendum with one phone call. Greece on the other hand as events continue with all the “issues”, still has big wish Macedonia to disappear.

@BanjaLuka

1. USA did not attack Serbia. NATO did. Nato is a consensus. A veto of a single member can halt all. Did Greece make such a veto? Every member is just as responsible. NATO is Greece.

2. “How could Greece veto Albania?” lol now you enter in idiot territory.
“Give us a reason why Greece would veto Albania in NATO”
Northern Epirus and Chemeria are contested territories in Albania and Greece. Albania has territorial clames with the “Chemeria” region in Greece. Greece could veto Albania very easy, but WANTED them in NATO.

3. “Nope, Greece has never expreseed any willingness to accept KosMet in NATO/EU “
again, playing plain dumb in front of evidence:

:June 2015, Nikolaos Kotzias, Greek Foreign Minister: “Greece will support Kosovo's membership in international bodies and security organizations." B92 article in link

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=07&dd=15&nav_id=94769

@HELLENIC SWORD
In the book “Sailing from Byzantium” by Colin Wells on page 183 we read

“This revival also allowed the Byzantines to decolonize the Greek mainland. The success of that effort would prove crucial to the survival of Greek culture in future centuries, after the other lands had

fallen away. Having overrun nearly all of the Greek mainland, the cities, and the islands, by the tenth century the Slavs in Greece had been converted to Orthodox Christianity and thoroughly Hellenized. Today the only evidence of the Slav’s arrival is the presence of Slavic place names, some five-hundred or so of them, scattered charmingly throughout the Greek countryside.”

Grease was full populated Slavs by 1800. now we have Hellenic Turks

PS: these are the most wise words I've ever heard, said by an old albanian man, one of those with honor and the white hat: listen to me my son, if you want to know what harm can a knife do, just take it and put it deep into your chest. Do you feel the pain? It's the same pain I would feel..Try to know your albanian neighbors Vasko and maybe thats not a waste of time.

Sorry Vasko here are two links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lLqqQ2AxHw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQjfi3h_Yk min 2:44 – min 5:21
The interviewer has used a hidden camera as people refused to release interviews in albanian to albanian tv channels. When asked how come they speak albanian and who taught them the language they reply their mother taught them. Although they are macedonians.
The area is called Upper Reka (Reka e Eperme/Gorna Reka) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Reka including Mavrovo and Gostivar.
There are no investments in those villages and people have left so soon there won’t be any albanian left with whom you can argue on what your great/great/grandfather did on their great/great/grandfather. The problem is solved. That knife was the brainwashing you all have been going through as you don’t even recognize anymore your roots. Many Serbs and many Albanians don’t even know which ethnic community they belong to. Now you didn’t understand but I think Serbs from Serbia proper have now that you spoke up fully understood what is means to see your people being treated like the Jews during WWII.And one understands his neighbor’s pain only if he goes through the same thing and this was what I wanted to say with the knife and the old man. Didn’t mean to threaten you and why should I threaten you??

the quicker they give the Albanians what they want with their official language demands the better off this so called country will be. The social democrats should form a coalition with the Albanian parties and rid them of the irredentist and corrupt VMRO-DPMNE party. Name change should be demanded by the EU and Slavic culture should be promoted again. “We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That’s who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Great and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (AD).” Kiro Gligorov – the first president elect of Fyrom

Every thread hijacked already by Greeks
who should be fighting their Government not some stupid spat
to the Serbs bravo on making bad moves agaisnt everyone when you need co-operation with your closest neighbour the Macedonians
and for what reason What!!

2017 the world is so changing wake up WAKE UP god dam it

@HELLENIC SWORD
“History and Historians in the Nineteenth Century” G. P. Gooch, pages 490 and 491, 

“General interest was first aroused by a controversy as to the racial derivation of the modern Greeks. The war of independence had won the sympathy of Europe; and it was a rude shock both to Greece and to her champions when Fallmerayer announced that her inhabitants were virtually Slavs. The race of Hellenes, he declares in his ‘History of Morea’ was rooted out and Athens was unoccupied from the sixth to the tenth century.

HELLENIC SWORD : Of this division the first portion is that in the region of the Tanais River, which I have taken as the boundary between Europe and Asia. This portion forms, in a way, a peninsula, for it is surrounded on the west by the Tanais River and Lake Maeotis as far as the Bosporus and that part of the coast of the Euxine Sea which terminates at Colchis; and then on the north by the Ocean as far as the mouth of the Caspian Sea;

WHY NOT SIMPLY SAY THAT TANAIS WAS THE OLD NAME OF THE DON RIVER IN SOUTH RUS FEM OF THE BYZANTINE ? THERE WERE SOME GREEKS IN THE REGION BUT THEY MADE NO WEATHER.

@ Rote I also thought that maybe Kalashi are Russians although kala means castle in albanian while kali - horse. If you can send an expedition of russian researchers there it would be great. Maybe the "great" albanian researchers will finally wake up from the 60 years long letargy they've been going through and send there somebody. For curiosity nothing else. It is a piece of balkans there in those mountains. It is a sign that these people although very poor and migrants have survived. Meanwhile Rote guess who has already opened 3 schools in that area? The Greeks, to teach greek language, in silence with calm and with love as says our politician Ilir Meta. Between us I dont think these tribes are 3000 years old and there is a great probability that this Fomenkin is right. Shhhht Rote do not say it to anybody at least not to our neighbors! Also Rote there's something I have no doubts on: the Troy's Horse could have only been invented by the Greeks.

Skenderbeu

Here's a rare map of the Reconquista of the 15 century to which events of 1444 belonged. After 100 years of occupation of Europe the Horde faced a severe problem. Because of the famous Roman routes contacts between the faraway region of the empire became easy. The price for it were the epidemies that killed millions from China to Europe. In Veliki Novgorod they decided to introduce administrative bortders inside the Horde. All lands south of Caucasus, Ukraine and Balkans were submitted to the second capitol of the empire in Constantinople. Movement outside the new broder was restricted. In parallel to that a great army was sent for carantine cleaning of the cholera territories inhabited by the Horde's people and troops. Those were lands an the west and in the south of Europe. All were cleaned and inhabited by new people from the Horde. This is the time that most of the Balkan peoples appeared here I think.

http://chronologia.org/seven7_1/im/7k1-01-022.jpg
http://chronologia.org/seven7_1/im/7k1-01-023.jpg

@Rote You either oblige the Pope to release his classified documents or there wont be a solution to these problems. Osmani archives are also a great source of information. We have a couple of very good researchers now who know Turkish language and are finally studying the osmani archives. I dont know Turkish language and I cant say if it is different from the old osmani one. Why you consider albanians to be troops and not part of the elite by the way?

andrew

1/ Before 16 century when paper was introduced they wrote on lamb leather. It was very expensive so most words were deprived of the consonant sounds. Thus word BELI/BALI was written as BL. Slovenski was the official though not the only language of the Horde. Some of them (Arab, Persian) were written from right to left. Very often by mistake in such regions they wrote and read Slavic words as they did it in Persian and Arabian. It happened to word BELI/BALI that became LB. Reports coming from Middle East contained LB meaning WHITE. It became normal and during the Onnoman conquest of Europe in 15 century both forms (BL and LB) were used to mark territories of the WHITE (ALBANIAN) Horde.

2/ White was the main color to mark the colonized territories in Europe. In other regions the Horde used other words. But in Europe and ME WHITE was main marker of the lands, rivers, mountains, cities ect. I found more than 200 such toponymals, ethnonymals ect. Most often Slavic BL and it Arab LB form were used. Sometimes correct consonant sounds were used to fill the words sometimes not. Besides the Slavs also had different dialects. So some of them said BELI , some said BALI ... Same with the mamelukes who brought the Arab LB version to Europe. Some said ELBA, some said and wrote ALBA ect. So even mountains in Iraq, Iran and Caucasus were called ELBRUS everybody understood that those were ELB/ALB RUS = BELAYA RUS = ALBANIA ...

shall i stop it here?

Makedonec

There are two things.

One is how descent your country behaved concerning Serbia. If you are a honest man you should openly admit the Macedonia in a way betrayed Serbs. And it entrapped you coz Serbs are the only neighbor who could (willingly) help you. But we have to also admit that there are no independent states on the Balkans. Serbian partisans traditionally fight the invaders but ...

Second issue is the matter of Macedonia. Here I support you because Macedonians were and a Slavic people. I am not very much of an expert if you were part of the Serbs or the Bulgars or the Rus but there are many sources saying that Macedonians were Slavs. Please take serious the link on this page that I gave about the Qidani (Ma-qidani) people. Don't surrender !

@HELLENIC SWORD
In the book “Sailing from Byzantium” by Colin Wells on page
183 we read

“This revival also allowed the Byzantines to decolonize the
Greek mainland. The success of that effort would prove crucial to the survival of Greek culture in future centuries, after the other lands had
fallen away. Having overrun nearly all of the Greek mainland, the cities, and the islands, by the tenth century the Slavs in Greece had been converted to Orthodox Christianity and thoroughly Hellenized. Today the only evidence of the Slav’s arrival is the presence of Slavic place names, some five-hundred or so of them, scattered charmingly throughout the Greek countryside.”

lol grease was fully populated by Slavs by 1800. now we have Hellenic Turks

@Vasko What about Ilirida or Southern Dardania as names for "Macedonia"? Paonia is also nice I think. Why not Federation of Albo-Slavs with cantones as the Swiss model?

@Skenderbeu 1444

Dardania held a small region in northern FYROM, so I don’t think its best suited for the entirety of the country. I don’t see how Illyria applies to today’s FYROM either. I think Paeonia due it covering majority of FYROM, makes most sense……..or Vardarija, due to the river flowing throughout the country and it not discriminating against any one ethnicity.

In “Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe (1770-1945)”, Volume  II, page 141

“It is funny but also sad, to see a social gathering of different Greeks, that is to say Chiots, Cretans, Albanians, Byzantines, Orientals, Ionian islanders and others, where upon the one mixes in Turkish words, the other Italian ones, the other Albanian ones, and in the same gathering, while they are all Greek, they cannot understand each other without the use of a translation or an explanation of each word as it is uttered, with the gathering thus turning into a Babel.”

@ Vasko I know why you have issues with albanians and I would also have some problems with the arabs' moneys who have funded some albanian fondamentalists. They do it even in albania you know and europe just watches and doesnt do nothing. Maybe you dont have any issues with these brainwashed ortodox albanians you'll see here in this short documentary. They speak albanian at home but when the interviewer asks them what they are, they reply they are macedonians. Their names are macedonians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ILqqQ2AxHw

@Skenderbeg
I read your posts, but haven't had the opportunity to watch the video yet. I think your most recent post was a bit too much. I saw no point in that example other then indirect threat by a knife if Slavs don't understand your guys' frustrations. War will bring no good to anyone, not just us.

My posts are not about who has a bigger boner, as we can all use a knife and shot a gun. The point is to move forward peacefully and give kids the chance to aspire to something other then hate and living in the past about who killed who's greatgreatgrandfather etc 300yrs ago.

@skenderbeu

The video is not there when I opened the link??

If I had to guess its about Macedonians from the Debar area?

@Banja Luka
I never said "Pristina has embassy in Athens" do not lie.

I said Greece has embassy in Pristina, and Greece DOES have and embassy in Pristina:


HELLENIC REPUBLIC
Liaison Office in Pristina

Contact
Ismail Qemali 68, Arberia II (Dragodan II)
10.000 Pristina
KOSOVO-UNMIK
+38138 243013, 247370 - 2
+38138 245533

http://www.mfa.gr/missionsabroad/en/pristina-en

Ari Gold @

NEVER TRUST SLAVS. YOU'RE TRAITORS AND BACKSTABBING COWARDS.

FYR of M does recognize serbia with their correct borders without Kosovo in it , how it should be . Dacic and serbia can't handle the truth , well get used to it

Leaving all politics and identity making on the side for 9 seconds ,
The only people that actually deserve to be called Macedonians today would be the Albanians and any Vlachs within it .

I know it hurts ,but that;s what happens in the game of Identity making .The Greeks accomplished this in the last 150 years and my Slavs are simply just late to that game .

Alexander The Great NEVER claims to be a "Greek Romioi rum" that's just Greek Ethiopian modern fantasy. Modern Greeks don't have any real affinity with Alexander and the Macedonians.

You mean "Southwest Bulgaria"?

Why won't FYROM recognize Serbia by its correct borders? Greece is Serbia's friend and was ostracized by NATO allies when it would not only refuse to participate in NATO's aggression on Serbia, but actively leaked classified information to Belgrade during the war. Many Greek humanitarian workers would purposely show up where the heaviest of bombs fell so that this could influence NATO to stop bombing there. Serbia has no right to forget this.

But the main reason Serbia should stand with Greece on the name issue is because they are RIGHT. The people in FYROM are Slavs, not ancient Macedonians. The vast majority of the ones I met are good and decent people. But they have been brainwashed by their elite regarding their identity and it's caused huge rifts with countries that should be their allies i.e. Serbia & Greece.

There are no ancient records which can relate to modern Greeks Macedonian, but yet here Greeks are trying to brag for things that don't belong to them and they cant even answer for them without resorting to frantic propaganda and lies.

There are no modern Greeks which self identity as Macedonians. modern Greeks had no idea what Macedonia was up until about after the 20th century.

even your modern ethnic name ellada ellenes ellethara doesnt have any logical meaning per heritage. its just a bullshit modern name used by anyone who has been baptised by the church.

Greek are a romioi rum modern Greek Anatolian rum from Minor Asia and modern Greeks don't have nothing to show fro preserved ethnic heritage from ancient tribes of Europe.

@HELLENIC SWORD

WE know you Greeks have hard time to realize who you are. are you Anatolian or Ethiopian. you can only pick one xD Macedonian is not option for you anyways.

Nice to see Serbia silent like a fish to bigger countries. Kosovo recognition doesn't bother your cooperation with most of EU does it now?

In front of EU you don't dare start retaliation.
But when it comes to smaller and weaker Macedonia and it's meaningless political weight, than OMG Serbia will show that is very offended. Lol
Such a losers you are.

HELLENIC SWORD let me be a Slavic shield:

1/ It's a big question if the "ancient Greeks" and Hellenic were absolutely the same peoples. Because Greek meant Orthodox religion but not an ethnical identity. Besides there were no nations in the current meaning before the 17th century when the Great Roman Mongol Slavic Horde disintegrated.

2/ They tell us as if Cyrillic was made out of the Greek alphabet but it's a total absurd. You cannot pour 2 liters into a 1 liter bottle. So it's strange to hear that 42 Cyrillic letters were made out of 24 Greek ones. I guess it was quite the opposite to say nothing of Glagolitsa and other Slavic aphabets.

3/ ALEXANDAR was the correct name composed of Greek ALEXIS and Slavic DAR (gift) while in word MACEDON there's nothing Greek at all. It is composed of prefix M and two Rus words (AK = WHITE) + (DON = RIVER). AK is a Turkic word now but in old times Rus and other peoples of this country spoke more Turkic than Slavic. Word DON is an old Rus word for water and river and it is still used in the same meanings by the Ossetians who always accompanied our hordes. Letter E is called "izafet" (like Halk-e Don) showing that word AK belongs to DON as it is in Persian and some other languages. Altogether we have M AK-E DON = OF THE WHITE RIVER i.e. of OKA (AKA) or of VOLGA river that both mean WHITE. Other "Greek" words like POSEI DON = SOW/PLANT RIVER are constructed the same way. Let's talk about it.

continued - do not relax !

What the hell ?
Bad relations with macedonia.. bad relations with croatia.. with bosnia .. with kosovo ? Are you serious.. your government is Mentally Sick.. is this 2017 or Milosevic ? Yeahh keep opening chapters all your life long.. but with this mentality.. you will Never be EU

Macedonians are and will be Serbian brothers and friends. Greeks on the other hand are closer with Albanians then with Slav population.

Greece did not VETO, therefore approved NATO bombing of Belgrade.
Greece recognize Kosovo
Greece did not VETO Albania in NATO!!!!!

Which is the name Serbs called this country during Jugoslavia? The same should call it today if not is just hypocrisy.

Serbia still remains to act like a typical Balkan nation, fighting with Macedonia now because recognized Kosovo. Macedonia's way of thinking has been changed since many years ago and it has forgotten the balkan attitude, now is more ahead, modern and less balkan, that's why it has problems with the countries who think more like hundreds years ago. Well, wake up Serbia, it is 21st century, you can't make ethnic cleansing If you don't like certain people. No one will support that. If you think sending a train to Kosovo with nationalist stickers that propagates hatred is a healthy for a normal country, then you shall never join EU nor any international organization. Maybe you should try to synchronize with the middle east. You'll fit more with them in that area.

Greek brothers, Greek brothers.. but Greece did not VETO Serbia bombing by NATO did it?

Bravo Dacic, the only nation in the world that helped us during the war was the Greeks. Teach those backstabbers in FYROM a lesson, Macedonia is a Greek name and Greek land.

@HELLENIC SWORD
Greeks gave themselves the name Romoi rum to protect against christian prosecution ??? your Romioi rum ancestors were the radical byzantine Christians that went out of their way to systematically destroy any signs of the old cultures and heritage because it was deemed as anti Christ. and now all of a sudden you wish to present the romioi people with religious identity that destroyed the old culture as saviors of Hellenism... this is a sick fucking joke.

During the period of the Romioi rums rampage against the old cultures, the Albanians were considered by all byzantine chronicles that mentioned them as the native inhabitants of Illyria Epiri and Macedonia, which can be seen by the remnants of published Roman literature:: Dictionarium Latino-Epiroticum

Even if the Albanians came from the Caucasus region, which their is no evidence of , they still inhabited Morea and the mainland hundreds of years before the modern Greek identity was created in the church. The old Illyrian-Epirote and Macedon heritage is survived and preserved among the Albanians, and in some cases the Arumanian Vlahs. You can not change this reality with bullshit golden dawn neo Nazi wannabe propaganda.

It's really beyond me how the politicians of Serbia can be so foolish, reciprocal measures must stand. If the "Macedonians" insult us serbs with the name "Republic of Kosovo", we should have no choice but to call them by what they really are and that's FYROM. This has nothing to do with Serbian-Greek friendship, but fighting for our national interests and the truth!

Hahah, whats new in FYROM? Or you more like BJRM? LoL

At least he admits using the name Macedonia is the right thing to do.
As he admits they started using fyrom just for retaliation.
Good to know

The Murder of Jugoslavija, USA and England bring Hitlers soul back to life !!!

Germany and the Roman Catholic Empire the big winner, South Slavs the big loosers !!!

Now the South Slavs broken into small splinters, poverty, isolation, dehumanization and demonization !!!

All I can say to my Dear serbian Brothers and Sisters of the Otacbina is to survive Unite with Dear Mother Russia !!!

Sorry cant offend our Greek brothers!!!!

You're Slavs, not Macedonian. The Slavs entered the Balkans 1,000 years after Alexander's death. All these below define the identity of a nation:
- your language = Slavic
- your names of persons = Slavic
- your names of places = Slavic
- your alphabet = Slavic (Cyrillic)
- your culture = Slavic
- recorded history = Slavic
Slavs

Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, Macedonian Redux, p.260
          "...Modern Slavs, both from the Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians cannot establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans ten centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander..."

So you think Greeks are your friends? Think again...

Greece did not VETO Albania in NATO!!!!!!!

Smart move made by Serbia before Tsipras visit!

Macedonia is Greek ........end of story......

rote@
Greek = English < from Latin Graeci < from Greek Graekos = the mythological son of Zeus and Pandora.

"...Greek meant Orthodox religion..."
That's untrue.
Greek meant: Greek name, hence inherited by Greek ancestors (no Turk, Slav or Albanian had Greek name), Greek language and Greek religion. All these were characteristics that 99.9 of those who had them were Greeks.


On 2/
"...They tell us as if Cyrillic was made out of the Greek alphabet..."
Though I don't give one shit where the Cyrillic alphabet was based on, it's a fact that it was based on the Greek one.
It is also A FACT that the Cyrillic alphabet was created in order for the Slavic people to became LITERATE, as until then the Slavs had no alphabet.
This is of most importance for any civilization.


On 3/
"...ALEXANDAR was the correct name..."
Stop delusioning; the name is ALEXANDROS, it is Greek and is being composed by two Greek words THAT ARE STILL IN USE 3,000 straight years:
- alexo= to repel, to defend
- andros = genetive of andras = man
Defendor of man.
No other culture than the Greek, used Greek words to compose Greek names, which were being used only by Greeks. To be continued...

Serbia is meaningless. They can call Macedonia whatever they choose to, wouldn't make any difference. Who gives a s#it what you call us. :D

Skenderbeu : They told him how could be spoken the Albanian language there; that he came from the cursed devil in Pakistan near India.

There's only one explanation that I was writing here several times and it explains why you still call yourself Albanians. There was only one chance for the Shqiptars reach India. They had to be part of the Slavic Conquest of the world. There are several other ethnical groups that stayed there after the Great Albanian Horde.


"ГЕОГРАФИЯ" КЛАВДИЯ ПТОЛЕМЕЯ

http://chronologia.org/old_map/st1_05_2.html

It was only yesterday that I was writing about provocation being a Balkan pastime. No doubt Dacic stuck out his tongue and claimed that his dad was bigger than the Macedonian Foreign Minister's dad. Any chance that these well paid grown men could act like adults just for once and maybe concentrate on things that affect the daily lives of their citizens rather than this load of old bollocks? How many jobs will this create? How much will the respective GDPs grow as a result of this row? Do your jobs.

I admire the Macedonians ! Greeks helped them to strengthen their national mentality to survive in the hostile surrounding. They are good Slavs I think. God knows what made the Serbs spoil their relations with this brave people. Because Serbs themselves are in a similar position. It won't improve the already good relations with Greece but it will tribute the anti-Serb front. Looks like Dacic is also deputy FM of Kosovo de facto rulers and of BIH and of Croatia and of Bulgaria.

Most of the UN members have problems with self identification but it's the first time when one member privatized to say nothing that it's Rus word ... I hate to use words Rus and especially it German version (Russian) when it comes to the period before 17-th century. I prefer word Slavic that is more correct. But this time it is really a Rus word coz Alexander of Macedon means AlexanDar Of The White River. White Rivers (Volga and Oka) were the heart of the Rus civilization and if someone insist on his Greek origin let's talk about his conquest of Siberia and Asia in 15-16 centuries.

Greeks never kept swords in their hands as they were caste of the Orthodox Brahmans called priests since 15 century but if someone is persistent enough I have plenty of questions that had demoralized many Greeks here. But please don't be agressive as I feel deep sympathy for the Greeks and don't even try to provoke me for any anti-Greek statement. Greeks and Macedonians are two close though different peoples.

Rote

You remind me of someone that i saw couple of months ago on the high street where i live dress as napoleon and shouting he was the one.It's the same issue with you shouting about Russia's invented pseudo-past.The only famous russian the outside world are familiar with is rasputin-no one else.Period.

(andrew, 21 January 2017 16:34)

I gave you my LIKE coz it was me. I failed to find cloths of Adam so I became Napoleon. Because Napoli/Neapol/Novgorod was a Rus city ... By the way Rasputin was great grandfather of Vladimir Putin. Of cource Russians have no other achievements in science, sport, culture, wars, education and if not Rasputin you would not even know what Russia is. Is it a sort of cheese or a tampax or a bacteria ... Who would care if not Ra-Ra-Rasputin !

Alexander The Great was a Vlach

Macedonians, how did you expect from Serbia to call you? You diserved nothing good from Serbians, cause you had decepted them a lot of times in history.

rote@
You're a Slavic speaking, with a Slavic name Slav, not Macedonian. And your Slavic country is settled on Paeonia not on Macedonia. READ:
Stephen G. Miller, Historian, Prof Dr Berkeley University
[[[Who is referring to the self-declared "Republika Macedonija" which fabricated maps attempting to present PAEONIA (the region this country is settled) as supposedly united region with Macedonia-Greece (Alexander's homeland), and to the banknotes this country circulated with the Greek city of Thessalonike on them]]]; I wonder what we would conclude if a certain large island off the southeast coast of the United States started to call itself Florida, and emblazoned its currency with images of Disney World and distributed maps showing the Greater Florida..."
Ljubomir Frckovski, Leader of FYROMacedonia's Socialist Political Party, former Minister of Internal Affairs, ON CAMERA
One small group of (FYROM's) historians and political fraudsters managed to impose throughout the (FYROM's) media, a hysterical discourse about our identity, which created a great damage to the state. They turned Macedonia in their project, I would say into a country of ridicule, and everybody laughs at us..Fraudulent history concepts cannot help us. These people are trying to present us, as super-ancient Slavs, who never migrated, but always were here and used the Slavic language that we speak. These frauds and hallucinations varies from meaningless, to absurd, to totally absorb illusions."

rote@ Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, Macedonian Redux, p.260
          "...Modern Slavs, both from the Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians cannot establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans ten centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander..."

Dr David Gordon Mitten, Dr James Loeb, Professors of Classical Art and Archaeology, Harvard University
             "...We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paionia ( the region the 1991 self-declared Republic of "Macedonia" is settled ), who speak Slavic – a language and PEOPLE introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander – can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek..."

If the "Macedonians" insult us serbs with the name "Republic of Kosovo", we should have no choice but to call them by what they really are and that's FYROM. This has nothing to do with Serbian-Greek friendship, but fighting for our national interests and the truth!
(Serbian-Canadian, 20 January 2017 20:07)

Just remove the "and the truth" part because you just wrote yourself that if the "Macedonians" were not insulting you, then you would disregard "the truth" and call their country "Macedonia".

Names change meaning with time. Britannia and Hispania were Ancient Roman Empire names. Today they have zero to do with Italy. N(e)apoli was an Ancient Greek city, today Italians inhabit and keep the same name Napoli. Same with Macedonia.

BLACK EAGLE@
This you quoted (Veremi) you took it completely OUT of context, as the authors LATER ON DESCRIBE HOW the illegal Albanian occupiers who invaded as NAZI ALLIES, the "Chams" as well as all their Albanian minions who bloodshed Greece, were EXPELLED en masse by 1945, and “...only left few traces of their existence...” So what exactly does this you quoted proves? That the Greeks are not Greeks? Only an Albanian ultra-nationalistic NEO NAZ would see this the way you do...

@ HELLENIC SWORD
“Race or Mongrel”  page, 92 Alfred P. Schultz

“From the foregoing it is evident that but very little Hellenic blood is left in Greece, and that little is so thoroughly vitiated that its disappearance is but a question of time. No race inhabits Greece. The ‘Greeks’ are
descendants of races so different that their crossing can never produce anything else than human mongrels. Their ancestors were Greeks, Hellenized Asiatics and Byzantine Greeks (i.e. Hamitic-Semitic-Greek-
Egyptian-Negroid mongrels), Slavs, Sicilians, Spaniards, Huns, Bulgarians, Walloons, Franks and Albanians.”

HELLENIC SWORD

4/ Greeks were always good friends of the Slavs and they played the second big role in the military Horde state of ours. Greeks were our Orthodox Brahmans (B-respectfuls) during the so called Early Christians and our first Patriarchs during the Apostolic Christianity launched by Prince Dmity I Ivanovic aka Constantine I Great. So it is strange to hear the agression in your words. You sound rather Shqiptar and if so I can tell you about an Albanian village called Athens now. But Albanians most often were Slavs too.

5/ After Prince Dmitry called himself Constantine he moved his religious capitol to Tsargrad in 1380 and took his Greek Patriarch. After he was killed on Kosovo Field in 337 (current 1389) his descendants ruled from Bosphorus. But in 1445 the Greek Patriarch flew from the civil capitol of Veliki Novgorod to Constantinople. Soon Slavs launched war that brought them to Constantinople in 1453. Some of the Greeks like Nicolas V ran to Vatican to provoke war against the Horde.

6/ It was then that the name of Alexander of Macedon appeared first. Never before it had been mentiones in any source. More than that in the oldest manuscript about Alexander there are notes made where parallels between Mehmet II and Alexander were too evident. Shall I tell you that the 53 day attack at Constantinople started from the place known as Macedonia ? Think twice before you aggree.

http://www.b92.net/eng/comments.php?nav_id=100256

Your correct name is BJRM. Macedonia is a Greek name that corresponds to the region of northern Greece, since the ancient times.

Dacic, keep going.

Skenderbeu 1444
Magazine? :D   Actually this was from the magazine "Under the Bridge" where you live. Now read:
Plutarch "Parallel Lives", Book V, 34.1 (1st c. BC):     
"...Then leaving Afranius in charge of Armenia, Pompey himself proceeded against Mithridates, and of necessity passed through the peoples dwelling about the Caucasus mountains. The greatest of these peoples are the Albanians and the Iberians, of whom the Iberians extend to the Moschian mountains and the Euxine Sea, while the Albanians lie to the eastward as far as the Caspian Sea..."

Albanians in Caucasus ASIA during the 1st BC.
Seven centuries later where were the Albanians?

Stephanus of Byzantium, Historian Geographer, "Ethnica", 6th c. AD
               "...Albania is the land south of Iberia. There lies the nation of the Albanians who are shepherds and moderately warriors and live between the Iberians and the Caspian Sea..."

Still in Caucasus ASIA the 6th AD.

4.3. The war between the Russian “Mongol and Tartar” Horde and the “ancient” Alexander the Great.

Let us try and analyse the legends of the enormous wall allegedly built by Alexander the Great to shut off Gog and Magog ... some of these allegedly “ancient” accounts of Alexander the Great and Gog and Magog appear to have been written in the Western Europe around the XVI-XVII century. In CHRON1 A. T. Fomenko demonstrates that among the real events that later legends of Alexander the Great were based upon we find the Ottoman (or simply Ataman) conquests of the XV-XVI century in particular. The father of Alexander, or the famous “ancient” Philip II is most likely to be identified as Sultan Mohammed II, whose lifetime dates to the XV century A. D. – possibly, a Slav (a Macedonian?).

However, when the above events were dated to the XVII-XVIII century by later chronologists, whether deliberately or accidentally, Alexander of Macedon became the protagonist of the entire epoch. His original, or originals, must have lived in the XV-XVI century. We cannot provide them with any finite identification. Most likely, Alexander of Macedon was an Ottoman (Ataman?), qv in Part 5; however, he became credited for nearly every substantial accomplishment of that epoch, including the construction of the Great Wall as a line of defence against his own kin (the Ottomans/Atamans/Cossacks, also known as Gog and Magog) ...

http://chronologia.org/en/seven5/empire08_04.html

The character of Moses comprises: the Golden Horde Khan of the first half of the XV century Olugh Mokhammad (of Kazan) or Ulug Mehmed (the Great Mahomet or Muhammad) the founder of Kazan (=Medina?); the Ataman (Ottoman) sultan Mehmed I (1402-1421); the Ataman (Ottoman) sultan Murad II (1421-1451); the Ataman (Ottoman) sultan Mohamed II the Conqueror(1451-1481) ...

This very epoch is the same 'ancient classical' epoch of the wars of the Macedonian King Phillip II the Conqueror. It is at the same time the epoch of Kham Olugh-Mehmet in Russian History, circa 1420-1450 ...

The Biblical epoch of Joshua Ben Nun, who succeeded Moses, is the time of the Ottoman conquest, beginning with seizure of Czar-Grad in 1453 by Mohamed II, and culminating in the peak of the golden age under Suleiman the Magnificent (1520-1566). Suleiman was known as AL-QANUNI. It means the GREAT KHAN, as QANUNI AND KHAN only slightly differ in pronunciation ...

This epoch is also the epoch of Alexander the Great of Macedonia who continued the conquest of Phillip II. The figure of Alexander is multi-layered. He embodied both the events of the XV century (Olugh-Mohamed I, Mohamed II the Conqueror and also of the XVI century. Including events from the life description of Andronicus-Christ of the XII century ...

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_15.html

@ hellenic sword dont be so stupid. can you explain to me how these ancient albanians reached india and pakistan? you can't - thats the point. Rote has his own explanation I have mine own. But this has nothing to do with the actual status of "Macedonia" The problem here is that both albania and serbia recognized macedonia for inercy, without thinking about the consequences. The main consequence for albanians is that we became a minority while greeks who are very smart and have contacts with macedonia's albanians have always said that the only solution would be recognizing this fake state by its only name- federation of albanians and slavs! two entities, two ethnic communities, not a majority and a minority. you want to backstabb albanians now?

@HELLENIC SWORD
“History and Historians in the Nineteenth Century” G. P. Gooch, pages 490 and 491, 

“General interest was first aroused by a controversy as to the racial derivation of the modern Greeks. The war of independence had won the sympathy of Europe; and it was a rude shock both to Greece and to her champions when Fallmerayer announced that her inhabitants were virtually Slavs. The race of Hellenes, he declares in his ‘History of Morea’ was rooted out and Athens was unoccupied from the sixth to the tenth century.

Whats wrond here my dear FYROM-ers? Are you former rep. of YU? Yes. They ply you with this M (Macedonia) and you should be thankful.

The totality of the comments & the story is idiotic.please be civil to each other and call each other by a name of their choosing.

OMG what's happening in the region?! Bosnia is a mess, Croatia and Slovenia are at odds, Serbia and Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia now. This region of Europe is pathetic!

Rote@
So one thing remains, and will remain TO ETERNITY: These below define the IDENTITY of a Nation:
- your language = Slavic
- personal names = Slavic
- names of places = Slavic
- alphabet = Slavic (Cyrillic)
- culture = Slavic
- recorded history = Slavic
SLAVS
You're INDISPUTABLY and IRREVOCABLY a Slavic nation.
The macedons all the above had them all Greek = Greeks.

Eugene Borza, Historian, Penn University, Macedonian Redux, p.260
          "...Modern Slavs, both from the Former Yug. Rep. of Macedonia and Bulgarians cannot establish a link with antiquity, in contrast with the Greeks. The Slavs entered the Balkans TEN centuries after the demise of the Ancient Kingdom of Alexander..."

*7) Macedonians in “ancient” China.

The so-called “ancient Chinese history” contains many references to the nation of Qidani – the alleged descendants of the Syanbi, or the Serbs, qv above ([212], page 131). Furthermore, the Qidani are said to have been a South-Eastern Serbian tribe ... the nation in question might identify as the Macedonians, the southern neighbours of the Serbs. The languages of the two nations are extremely similar, and the Macedonians were occasionally referred to as the Southern Serbs ... The Qidani are said to have founded a state in China in the X century A. D. ... We shall return to the history of the Macedonians, or the Qidani, somewhat later. For the meantime, let us just point out that the language of the Macedonians is believed to be the prototype of Church Slavonic, which had been used in Russia as the official language for a long enough time. Also, the actual creators of the Church Slavonic Cyrillic alphabet, the “Solun Brothers” Cyril and Methodius, are believed to hail from the city of Solun located on the territory of Macedonia, and are most likely to have been Macedonian. Thus, there are parallels between the ancient Russian culture and the Slavic culture of Macedonia ... the state of the “Qidani who had fled China” became the progenitor of the future “Mongolian” Empire, or The Horde (Russia), which we can identify as the Great Russian Empire of the Horde ...

http://chronologia.org/en/seven5/empire06_01.html

Albaians were considered by Byzantine chrocicles to be Illyrian.

Black eagle

Can you name a single Byzantine historian that make such a claim.I bet you cant and is your usual albanian fart .

(andrew, 23 January 2017 14:12)

Albanians were troops of the White (Albanian) Horde since 19 century called Mongol Tatars. In Europe the Horde was called Rome as well. No Rome in Italy has ever existed outside paper ...

@HELLENIC SWORD
Athens was old Albanian village and then north Ethiopia modern grease was peopled by SLAVS

@HELLENIC SWORD
You are an turk, Ethiopian, Slav or Albanian? you are proud Greek : )

@HELLENIC SWORD “Greeks are those who speak Turkish but profess the Christian religion of their ancestors.”

Greece in the Twentieth Century Theodore A.
Couloumbis page 25

@ Rote The language is called “burushaski” and it is a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements.
@ Hellenic Sword The magazine “The Bridge” page 25 is referenced here:
http://www.forumishqiptar.com/threads/39865-Aleksandri-i-Madh-gjuha-burashaski-dhe-ilir%C3%ABt-e-Pakistanit
Now the guy who has posted part of the article has unfortunately not provided detailed information on this magazine but I have no doubt the information is true.

Short documentary on three tribes of ancient Illyrians living in Pakistan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgqc10_pyWQ
Minimal bibliography:
Jay Milton Hoffman “Hunza: Fifteen secrets of the healthiest and oldest living people”, Professional Press Publishing Assoc, 5th Ed., Valley Center, 1985.
Etienne Tiffou, “Hunza Proverbs”, University of Calgary Press, Calgary, 1993
In Albanian and for Albanians:
https://vargmal.org/dan81

@Grobar
the things you listed are peanuts compared.

1. Greece with NATO bombed and raped Serbia and made Kosovo. Greece wanted the destruction of Serbian territory and creation of Kosovo and Great Albania state. Greece could VETO the bombing, they did not, they wanted it.

2. Greece did not VETO Albania in NATO. Greece wants and prefers Albania in NATO.
Your “brothers” just gave the Albanians in the region big powers. Greece just made your biggest enemy, Albania, part the biggest military alliance in the world. Chameria and Northern Epirus are contested lands between Greece and Albania. They HAD all the reasons to veto, my Serbian friends, just Greece WANTED to give power and strength to Albania.

3. Greeks are afraid of the Slavs and Strong Slavic states way more than they are afraid of Great Albania. Greeks were very afraid of Yugoslavia. And Greeks are afraid of Strong Serbia and Macedonia. That is why Greeks and NATO destroyed Serbia. That is why Greeks take their Albanian friends in NATO.

4. Now Greek services are trying to make Serbia and Macedonia from friendly become hostile.

5. Greece with NATO bombed Serbia and made Kosovo. Greece has Embassy in Pristina. Greece recognizes Kosovo Passports. Greece wants Kosovo in NATO and EU stated by Nikolaos Kotzias in 2015.
Keep on believing “we are your brothers” stories
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2015&mm=07&dd=15&nav_id=94769

@Gro
I asked you to speak little Serbian since im conviced you are Greek faking.
“Greece, the country with the strongest Army in the Balkans,needed Milosevic to invade you? “

Firepower was never an issue, as I stated, Macedonia had a non existant army.
Both Greece and Serbia could conquer Macedonia fast. The difference is that Milosevic was already in war, his hands dhirty. And Greece needed a pretex and a contex to enter in the Yugoslav wars,

The international backlash for Greece of such an attack would be much worse. So it was more simple for Greece just to “join” ald leave Milosevic take blame for it.
That is why Greek PM. Constantine Mitsotakis asked Milosevic to attack Macedonia.

The Independence was FIRST agreed upon with Milosevic. So its is hardly thinkable that he wanted to “attack to get back Macedonia” when he could set up a staged unification referendum with one phone call. Greece on the other hand as events continue with all the “issues”, still has big wish Macedonia to disappear.

Skenderbeu

I feel sorry for and I went thruogh it 7-8 years ago ... You need this book. They give plenty of documents and facts that Tamerlane and Mehmet II were one man ... both Russians. In this book there are texts of the prayors for the sake of this Rus Saint worshipped in the Russian churches and they give also portraits of the two. Unfortunately in the link you will not find the full text.

http://chronologia.org/en/prorok/index.html

For the time being I can offer only the Russian text.

http://chronologia.org/prorok/m03_03.html


read also

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_26.html

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_26.html#the27

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_26.html#the28

http://chronologia.org/en/car_slav/index.html

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/index.html

http://chronologia.org/en/films/mystification.html

Well with that kind of attitude Macedonia, then you will definitely be split up eventually... time will tell. North to Serbia, East to Bulgaria, West to Albania, South to Greece.

Any serb that sees the fake "Macedonians" as friends or brothers of our country is at this point a traitor. The time has come to take the gloves off, we need to issue them an ultimatum and that's that "Macedonia" either withdraws recognition of Kosovo or we call them FYROM exactly like most of the world does. Why are we supporting a "country" that has stabbed us in the back so many times? These people are on the side of the Albanians and Americans for Christ's sake!

@Hellene "The principle thesis of this chapter is that the Western orientation of modern Greece, and the related drive to 'regenerate' ancient Hellas, have been at the core of a strong national myth that transformed the multilingual and multicultural Christian community of the southern Balkans into a modern nation and the fragmented geographical entity into a unified nation-state."
Greece: The Modern Sequel, from 1831 to the Present
By Giannēs Koliopoulos, Thanos M. Veremis , page 264

From Magazine "The Bridge" - "I became a friend of the Church's Council and after some days one of the church advisors called çiko phones me to let me know about their difficult position. During the conversation he told me that he found that I was interested about the history of Albanians and he wanted to show me what his father or his grandfather had told him. He told to me that his father had graduated at the Cairo University and as a student he went for a walk together with an Albanian student. A student of another nationaliy joined them too, their friend. While, they were walking they spoke in Arabic language. When they had to talk about something that was secret they spoke in Albanian in order not to be understood by their friend. Their friend kept quiet and when they finished the conversation he told them that he understood everything, and that he speaks that language too. Two Albanian students remained amazed and asked him why he didn't tell what he had studied Albanian language. He swore that he had never studied Albanian, but that language was spoken in his birthplace. They told him how could be spoken the Albanian language there; that he came from the cursed devil in Pakistan near India.He esplained them that his country was called Burria(men)(Burushu) and surely all of them were burria (men-soldiers) of Alexander the Great. The two Albanian stubborn students didn't believe to him. The boy became nervous becouse they called him a liar. To be continued

@HELLENIC SWORD
“Popular Science Monthly” Volume LXXV, July to December 1919, edited by J. Mckeen Cattell, page 591

“The modern Greeks are largely of Slavic origin. They are not the descendants of the ancient Greeks. That noble race greatly mixed with barbarian blood during the middle ages, was completely destroyed in the course of the
frequent uprisings against Turkish rule. Slavic immigrants gradually peopled the country.”

lol north Ethiopia was people by Slavs.

@ Rote The language is called “burushaski” and it is a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements.

It will stop looking strange as soon as you begin to see the thngs under the angle that I do. There were two waves of colonization of Asia by the Whites. Persian (like Arabian, Latin) was one of the artificial languages of the Horde and it was in a great degree developed on the basis of Slovensli. That's why it is so close to the Slavic languages. It was close not only phonetically but also geographically to the Balkans as it was one of the two corner stones of the Osmani language. Besides During Ivan III Grozny the empire was divided for 2 parts and Stanbul became responsible for Africa and South Asia.

So "a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements." was not strange at all. You will open your eyes if you look different at ordinary things. What you think Iranian element could quite be taken from Osmani language.

Dadan is a Persian/Osmani for "give" while DAD is the past prfect form of DADAN. Say Baghdad = Bogdad = Bozidar = God Given. There are many Persian words in the European languages but they do not notice them or call them some phantom Indo-European ancestor. So if the Shqiptars were inside the Great Horde it was natural for them to borrow words from Slavic, Arab and Persian languages.

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@ Rote The language is called “burushaski” and it is a strange mix of albanian, slavic, iranian and baltic elements.

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Persians are Slavic descendants in a great degree. See R1a and R1b in their happlogroup or the biography of their last Shah-in-Shah M.R.Pehlevi who's father was a Cossack colonel.

Baltic elements won't look strangers if you examine the Slavonic happlogroups of the locals. Even word BALT means WHITE in 2 out of 3 languages and thus Baltic Sea = Sea of the Whites. So the Estonians, Lithuanians and the Latvians were Albanians too.

Same with Arabian language developed first as a secret code for the hordes to communicate in the colonies. Arabian ABEL = A-BEL = BELI = WHITE ... Prefix A was often used in words (Amurat, Arab ect.) that Arabs, Turks failed to pronounce ... Arabs (A-rab) were slaves so they could not be Albanians.

I twice placed here Serbian toponymals in Tibet found by a Serbian traveller in 19 century but none of the Serbs showed any interest. They Just gave their likes and their poor comments to forget about it forever. Meanwhile mediaeval Tibet was dozens of times bigger than the current one. It included 20-30% of China, Viet Nam, Tailand, Birma, Laos, Kampuchea ect. But nobody asked me to give the full list of the toponymals or the links. Because it will contradict the history they already have.