“EU wants results of dialogue, not recognition of Kosovo”

"The Albanians have been abandoned by Brussels. ITS OVAH!
(highduke, 17 June 2011 15:21)"

Only 5 states in Europe recognize your Serbia. And your sponsor-brother compares you to asian and african nations.
It is over, no?

The Albanians have been abandoned by Brussels. ITS OVAH!

“Belgrade and Priština are urged to continue talks in Brussels, but Serbia is not obliged to recognize Kosovo at any point in the process,” Ivanović told Tanjug. "

Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant.
This is the compromise the EU and US is asking for in return for Serbia's EU membership. If Serbia agrees, Russia will not have any objections, after all Russia is faced with similar situations in Georgia and it would be in Russia's interest for Kosova to become a UN member.
If and only if this is true then China will not be a problem.
The only vetoes that China historically has ever used has been over Taiwan and it will be against China's interest to put parallels between Taiwan and Kosova given 4 out of 5 UNSC members don't mind K being a UN member.

Why is it that Serbian government leaders seem to need to keep clarifying what everyone else is saying? We too can read.

It sounds to me as if the EU (of which the vast majority of the countries, or at least all the countries with money and thus clout, have recognized Kosovo) is saying that Serbia must have good relations with all of its neighbors. They keep saying it in the context of Kosovo, making it clear that as far as the EU is concerned, Kosovo and Serbia are neighbors.

Is it not clear? Do we really need politicians restating what everyone else is saying (and twisting and spinning things for domestic consumption along the way)?

Coincidentally, I am not saying that what the EU is asking is fair or reasonable, nor am I taking sides in the issue of what should ultimately happen with Kosovo. I am just commenting on the almost daily spin that is taking place.

this article should be RENAMED "Borislav Stefanović:EU wants results of dialogue, not recognition of Kosovo"

It would make a lot more sense, since its his opinion, and not that of the EU, NO?
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2 of the main articles on today's lineup at b92 start with "EU wants". I for one hope I'm not alone when I say fu*k what the EU wants.

Serbia needs to work hard on its path towards colonization. And our faithful and honest politicians will be there to guide Serbia every step of the way.

Gotta love the DS.

Those big EU member states that recognize so-called 'Kosova' should logically demand that the kosovo albanians also show good neighborly relations and not just throw a tantrum and refuse to negotiate every time they don't get their own way. Pristina (and neither Tirana) are not showing 'good neighborly relations' with regards to organ traffiking and other crimes in the region but we hear nothing about this from Brussels?

Could this be because it is a direct recognition by Brussels of how important it is for them for Belgrade to accept their diktat or otherwise their 'Balkan Stability Pact' goes straight down the toilet? Brussels can threaten sanctions on Belgrade but that would affect the transport and energy corridors that Brussels is so keen on. Tadic had better be prepared to tell Brussels to choose.

"Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant."
(miri, 17 June 2011 16:56)

You are right, it doesn't need Serbia to recognize Kosovo. But it should be obvious to anyone, as long as there's no compromise found between Kosovo and Serbia, Russia will simply veto in the UN. And China as well: They expressed their opinion that there should be no unilateral changes of borders of internationally recognized countries (not because of Kosovo itself, but in general, not to allowe a dangerous precedent which could inspire Tibet, for example, to make an UDI, too). To sum it up: Changes for Kosovo to become an UN member is close to zero without a compromise. Same goes for Palestine, without a compromise with Israel, the USA will veto the UN membership. The world nowadays doesn't accept unilateral moves, simple and easy - which is a good thing.

"Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant."
(miri, 17 June 2011 16:56)

You are right, it doesn't need Serbia to recognize Kosovo. But it should be obvious to anyone, as long as there's no compromise found between Kosovo and Serbia, Russia will simply veto in the UN. And China as well: They expressed their opinion that there should be no unilateral changes of borders of internationally recognized countries (not because of Kosovo itself, but in general, not to allowe a dangerous precedent which could inspire Tibet, for example, to make an UDI, too). To sum it up: Changes for Kosovo to become an UN member is close to zero without a compromise. Same goes for Palestine, without a compromise with Israel, the USA will veto the UN membership. The world nowadays doesn't accept unilateral moves, simple and easy - which is a good thing.

@Aleks

you need reminding that these are not negotiations on Status. Stating the obvious is not a temper tantrum. you also seem to need reminding that kosovars are willing participants... they are not beholden to any document... serbia is here because of its epic blunder with the icj, it painted itself into a corner at the UN... and any attempts by it to turn these talks into status talks or otherwise derail these talks will simply anger and embarass the eu.

@Glenn Noble
they are already speaking with people they have pretended for a decade didnt exist... do you not think it odd... how one can have official direct talks with someone you dont recognize? the nervousness of serbian politicians is understandable... the constant restating as you put it... is to deflect attention from the capitulation that has already taken place.

"Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant."
(miri, 17 June 2011 16:56)

What?! Kosovo is not the UN member yet? Shame! How's that happened? "What your "partners" are saying? You're not even in the total back UN seat? Is the entrance of "Kosova" officials in UN building allowed at all? Did you purchased "Kosova" sign for your ambassador to UN already? Oh no! Do the sign seller offer refund? Disaster..

I hope they will finally be able to find peace in Kosovo. I read a US soldiers memoir on Kindle, "The Princess of Kosovo," and became a interested in it. It seems like as soon as they make a little progress, something gets in the way.

Those big EU member states that recognize so-called 'Kosova' should logically demand that the kosovo albanians also show good neighborly relations and not just throw a tantrum and refuse to negotiate every time they don't get their own way. Pristina (and neither Tirana) are not showing 'good neighborly relations' with regards to organ traffiking and other crimes in the region but we hear nothing about this from Brussels?

Could this be because it is a direct recognition by Brussels of how important it is for them for Belgrade to accept their diktat or otherwise their 'Balkan Stability Pact' goes straight down the toilet? Brussels can threaten sanctions on Belgrade but that would affect the transport and energy corridors that Brussels is so keen on. Tadic had better be prepared to tell Brussels to choose.
(Aleks, 17 June 2011 21:49)
Curious as to what you mean that neither are showing neighborly relations in regards to the organ trafficking. Both countries govts have announced they will cooperate with an international investigation. Denying that it happened is not failing to cooperate. However as long as Serbia blocks the official start of the investigation there is nothing anyone can do to cooperate.
You do realize that this insistence on a UN mandated investigation is merely a ploy to keep the investigation from going forward, don't you. It is Serbia that realizes that a full investigation once conducted will either come up that the allegations are baseless in fact or that they cannot be connected to the current leaders of Kosovo.
Since the EU has announced the start of an investigation through EULEX, there is absolutely zero chance that the UNSC will take that away from them. There is a slight chance that they could appoint a special representative to coordinate communication between the investigation and the UNSC but chances are that will fall to the new head of UNMIK.

PSS has the memory of a newt. Both Pristina and Triana refused to cooperate in any way for a long time as has been reported on B92 and other sites covering balkans news. They only 'cooperate' now because of pressure brought to bear behind the scenes by their 'allies'. What are they afraid of if the allegations are foundless? That the euros and the yanks will make something up to blackmail the them? If they have nothing to hide then theçy have no reason to fear.

As for the rest of pss' comments, it is his mere hypothesis not based on any fact. Typical wrongheaded & self-serving muddles logic. Plus ca change.

The Albanians have been abandoned by Brussels. ITS OVAH!

"The Albanians have been abandoned by Brussels. ITS OVAH!
(highduke, 17 June 2011 15:21)"

Only 5 states in Europe recognize your Serbia. And your sponsor-brother compares you to asian and african nations.
It is over, no?

“Belgrade and Priština are urged to continue talks in Brussels, but Serbia is not obliged to recognize Kosovo at any point in the process,” Ivanović told Tanjug. "

Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant.
This is the compromise the EU and US is asking for in return for Serbia's EU membership. If Serbia agrees, Russia will not have any objections, after all Russia is faced with similar situations in Georgia and it would be in Russia's interest for Kosova to become a UN member.
If and only if this is true then China will not be a problem.
The only vetoes that China historically has ever used has been over Taiwan and it will be against China's interest to put parallels between Taiwan and Kosova given 4 out of 5 UNSC members don't mind K being a UN member.

2 of the main articles on today's lineup at b92 start with "EU wants". I for one hope I'm not alone when I say fu*k what the EU wants.

Serbia needs to work hard on its path towards colonization. And our faithful and honest politicians will be there to guide Serbia every step of the way.

Gotta love the DS.

Why is it that Serbian government leaders seem to need to keep clarifying what everyone else is saying? We too can read.

It sounds to me as if the EU (of which the vast majority of the countries, or at least all the countries with money and thus clout, have recognized Kosovo) is saying that Serbia must have good relations with all of its neighbors. They keep saying it in the context of Kosovo, making it clear that as far as the EU is concerned, Kosovo and Serbia are neighbors.

Is it not clear? Do we really need politicians restating what everyone else is saying (and twisting and spinning things for domestic consumption along the way)?

Coincidentally, I am not saying that what the EU is asking is fair or reasonable, nor am I taking sides in the issue of what should ultimately happen with Kosovo. I am just commenting on the almost daily spin that is taking place.

this article should be RENAMED "Borislav Stefanović:EU wants results of dialogue, not recognition of Kosovo"

It would make a lot more sense, since its his opinion, and not that of the EU, NO?
‎

Those big EU member states that recognize so-called 'Kosova' should logically demand that the kosovo albanians also show good neighborly relations and not just throw a tantrum and refuse to negotiate every time they don't get their own way. Pristina (and neither Tirana) are not showing 'good neighborly relations' with regards to organ traffiking and other crimes in the region but we hear nothing about this from Brussels?

Could this be because it is a direct recognition by Brussels of how important it is for them for Belgrade to accept their diktat or otherwise their 'Balkan Stability Pact' goes straight down the toilet? Brussels can threaten sanctions on Belgrade but that would affect the transport and energy corridors that Brussels is so keen on. Tadic had better be prepared to tell Brussels to choose.

"Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant."
(miri, 17 June 2011 16:56)

You are right, it doesn't need Serbia to recognize Kosovo. But it should be obvious to anyone, as long as there's no compromise found between Kosovo and Serbia, Russia will simply veto in the UN. And China as well: They expressed their opinion that there should be no unilateral changes of borders of internationally recognized countries (not because of Kosovo itself, but in general, not to allowe a dangerous precedent which could inspire Tibet, for example, to make an UDI, too). To sum it up: Changes for Kosovo to become an UN member is close to zero without a compromise. Same goes for Palestine, without a compromise with Israel, the USA will veto the UN membership. The world nowadays doesn't accept unilateral moves, simple and easy - which is a good thing.

"Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant."
(miri, 17 June 2011 16:56)

You are right, it doesn't need Serbia to recognize Kosovo. But it should be obvious to anyone, as long as there's no compromise found between Kosovo and Serbia, Russia will simply veto in the UN. And China as well: They expressed their opinion that there should be no unilateral changes of borders of internationally recognized countries (not because of Kosovo itself, but in general, not to allowe a dangerous precedent which could inspire Tibet, for example, to make an UDI, too). To sum it up: Changes for Kosovo to become an UN member is close to zero without a compromise. Same goes for Palestine, without a compromise with Israel, the USA will veto the UN membership. The world nowadays doesn't accept unilateral moves, simple and easy - which is a good thing.

Those big EU member states that recognize so-called 'Kosova' should logically demand that the kosovo albanians also show good neighborly relations and not just throw a tantrum and refuse to negotiate every time they don't get their own way. Pristina (and neither Tirana) are not showing 'good neighborly relations' with regards to organ traffiking and other crimes in the region but we hear nothing about this from Brussels?

Could this be because it is a direct recognition by Brussels of how important it is for them for Belgrade to accept their diktat or otherwise their 'Balkan Stability Pact' goes straight down the toilet? Brussels can threaten sanctions on Belgrade but that would affect the transport and energy corridors that Brussels is so keen on. Tadic had better be prepared to tell Brussels to choose.
(Aleks, 17 June 2011 21:49)
Curious as to what you mean that neither are showing neighborly relations in regards to the organ trafficking. Both countries govts have announced they will cooperate with an international investigation. Denying that it happened is not failing to cooperate. However as long as Serbia blocks the official start of the investigation there is nothing anyone can do to cooperate.
You do realize that this insistence on a UN mandated investigation is merely a ploy to keep the investigation from going forward, don't you. It is Serbia that realizes that a full investigation once conducted will either come up that the allegations are baseless in fact or that they cannot be connected to the current leaders of Kosovo.
Since the EU has announced the start of an investigation through EULEX, there is absolutely zero chance that the UNSC will take that away from them. There is a slight chance that they could appoint a special representative to coordinate communication between the investigation and the UNSC but chances are that will fall to the new head of UNMIK.

@Aleks

you need reminding that these are not negotiations on Status. Stating the obvious is not a temper tantrum. you also seem to need reminding that kosovars are willing participants... they are not beholden to any document... serbia is here because of its epic blunder with the icj, it painted itself into a corner at the UN... and any attempts by it to turn these talks into status talks or otherwise derail these talks will simply anger and embarass the eu.

@Glenn Noble
they are already speaking with people they have pretended for a decade didnt exist... do you not think it odd... how one can have official direct talks with someone you dont recognize? the nervousness of serbian politicians is understandable... the constant restating as you put it... is to deflect attention from the capitulation that has already taken place.

"Kosova doesn't need Serbia's recognition. All Kosova needs is the abstention of Russia in the UNSC for allowing Kosova to become UN member.
Whether Serbia recognizes Kosova or not, is totally irrelevant."
(miri, 17 June 2011 16:56)

What?! Kosovo is not the UN member yet? Shame! How's that happened? "What your "partners" are saying? You're not even in the total back UN seat? Is the entrance of "Kosova" officials in UN building allowed at all? Did you purchased "Kosova" sign for your ambassador to UN already? Oh no! Do the sign seller offer refund? Disaster..

I hope they will finally be able to find peace in Kosovo. I read a US soldiers memoir on Kindle, "The Princess of Kosovo," and became a interested in it. It seems like as soon as they make a little progress, something gets in the way.

PSS has the memory of a newt. Both Pristina and Triana refused to cooperate in any way for a long time as has been reported on B92 and other sites covering balkans news. They only 'cooperate' now because of pressure brought to bear behind the scenes by their 'allies'. What are they afraid of if the allegations are foundless? That the euros and the yanks will make something up to blackmail the them? If they have nothing to hide then theçy have no reason to fear.

As for the rest of pss' comments, it is his mere hypothesis not based on any fact. Typical wrongheaded & self-serving muddles logic. Plus ca change.