IM: Extremists targeted Swedish embassy

Attacks on Britain, French, Australian and now of Swedish citizens. No end in sight...tradition continues.

Belgrade has become like Kabul.

No wonder Mladic feels extremely safe over there.

“One of the targets was the Swedish embassy, where a reception had been laid on for the participants.”

This statement is very revealing. Firstly, for the Swedish embassy to host a reception for the participants indicates that the number expected at the Parade was very few, perhaps no more than a few dozen. Secondly, why would the Swedish embassy have anything to do with the Parade at all? It is hardly a Swedish cultural event. This Parade was clearly organised and financed by foreign embassies (not only Sweden’s). One can speculate as to the true purpose of the Parade, but one thing is obvious, it was not organised by or for the few practising homosexuals in Serbia. And far from promoting greater tolerance of alternative lifestyles, the Parade has hardened attitudes and made the lives of Serbia’s homosexuals more problematic than previously.

I wonder where is Kate, Jason and the other Serbophiles that always have a reason to justify Serbian behavour towards Albanians and those Serbs don't like. This time it seems like they do not have any justification reasons.
(A, 22 September 2009 12:23)

No, genius, we don't have to comment because Serbs themselves actually condemn this awful behavior unlike many Albanian nationalists who never admit doing anything wrong nor do they ever take action against their own criminals. Nice try though...

I wish to congratulate authorities in Serbia for banning the spectacle of immoral and sick individuals. Children could have been traumatised for life seeing half naked loons running amock on the streets. We do not need Belgrade to turn into Sodoma and Gomora like in the decadent western society.

“An Australian national was attacked, and the suspicion is he was attacked because the attackers thought he’d come for the parade”.
This poor man was attacked only because the attackers thought he’d come for the parade, now imagine what would have happened if the parade really took place?!
This isn’t how “the most tolerant society”, as some have been portraying it in this forum, should be looking like. Anyway, I hope these “criminal groups” will get what they deserve.

Belgrade has become like Kabul.
(PRN, 22 September 2009 10:34)
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Afghanistan was first to recognise our ethnic Albanian citizen's illegal UDI. You and your ethnic group praised this country back then but why are you now comparing your capital to Kabul?

The reason it was cancelled was because 10,000 gay guys from albania were taking part. I thinking cancelling an albanian gay pride parade in Belgrade was prudent as they should march in Tirana.

If you want your gay marriage recognised you can always move to Albania, they are about to legalize it. The prime minister announced it not long ago. Enjoy Albania my gay friends.

The reason that crime is not higher in Kosovo is because Albanians have exported their criminals to the rest of the world. All eurpean countris that recognized Kosovo did so to return the hundreds of thousands of albanian criminals to Kosovo. Kosovo is a huge prison.
(MikeC, 22 September 2009 13:27)

There is much more crime in Kosovo than is reported, MikeC. Working here one can see a volume of daily crimes that is either not reported to the media, or the media simply does not print - all to paint a nicer picture than is reality.

What a world when Dacic comes off looking rational.

Hey Kosova-USA - can you just leave this forum? I'm sick of reading how everything relates to Pristina or whatever the hell you're talking about. Whatever point you're trying to make, we get it.

Yesterday i was watching "veliki brat".
The occasions the word "gay" was pronounced were countless.

Anyway, i had a good laugh with the albanian who was comparing europe (Belgrade) with Afganistan (Pristina).

It's good to see our ethnic Albanian citizens debating issues occuring in their capital and important to Serbia. I can't really hear too many voices justifying these crimes but there is a lot of debate going on regarding the pride march.

This is a sensitive issue to many Serbians. On the street many people have expressed their opinion to me and most seem to be against it. Personally I don't have any issues with a pride march but it seems most of Serbia's citizens are just not ready for it. Something like this is going to need more time and we shouldn't force something onto people that is difficult to swallow.

These issues were not accepted overnight in many Western countries and even in some part of those countries, it still isn't. As for some of the comments coming from our ethnic Albanian citizens, when I see a successful pride march in Pristina I might take note of your comments.

Why is it that every news item from Serbia becomes related to the Kosovo issue then degenerates into a Serb hate-fest by Albanian posters?

News: Gay pride parade cancelled in Beograd. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

News: Serbia wins silver at European basketball championships. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

News: Croatian doctor refuses Serbian patient. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

News: JAT to buy planes from Boeing. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

What is the matter with you people?

Why the obsession with all things Serbian? You don't see us Serbs on Albanian websites spouting such hatred?

Here's a suggestion. . .shut the computer off, take a deep breathe and relax.

"I sugest that foreign embassies close down and move to safer place called Prishtina"
kosovo-usa

Yeah they will certainly listen to you! Out of the 60 countries that recognized Kosovo independence only 7 have opened and embassy in Kosovo. That's how safe Kosovo is and that's how much they believe in the banana rupublic of Kosovo.

"Kosovo Police could confirm that burglaries and robberies were on the up."
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/21153/

Despite the resent incidents in Belgrade its way safer than London, Paris, Amsterdam and New York.

Albanians shoulnd't be so jelous of Serbias progress and Albanias failure. Put as much energy in making your own lives well rather then complaining at someone elses. No wonder you haven't achieved anything.
The reason that crime is not higher in Kosovo is because Albanians have exported their criminals to the rest of the world. All eurpean countris that recognized Kosovo did so to return the hundreds of thousands of albanian criminals to Kosovo. Kosovo is a huge prison.

The gay parade is a stupid idea and has caused nothing but aggravation and raising tension.

It is obviously too costly and Serbia should be spending the money for the refugees and repairing of NATO bomb damage - which it still has.

The "gay parades" were a product of the liberal west and if they don't suit other countries then those other countries shouldn't be forced or pressured to have them.

PRIDE PARADE was yesterday when Serbian national basketball team returned to Belgrade with a silver medal from European Championship in Poland.

Minority sodomites have no right to terrorize the MAJORITY of normal citizens of Serbia. Cancelation is a great victory which shows that Serbia is still a healthy nation and state, despite the subversive efforts of so called "non-governmental organisations" financed from abroad.

As for the Australian, if he was minding his own business, nothing would have happened to him, instead he came to Serbia for corrupted reasons, and if that is the case he got no less then what he deserved.

@USAKosovo

When Serbs go to Pristina to albanian hospitals for healthcare or attend albanian universities for education then I would be very worried.

"but it seems most of Serbia's citizens are just not ready for it."

When Serbia is "ready" for having it´s streets occupied by half naked perverts imposing their and their pay masters agenda, then there is no Serbia to talk about.

I am truly glad to see that moral and true christian values has survived here. I and obviously majority of serbs, are never gonna be "ready" for being raped and ripped of our culture and traditions. serbia is Serbia, not Mcdonalds/Hollywoodland

“The police even found stones hidden in manholes"

This never gets old.

I am 100% sure that if public stoning (as state punishment)
were to be in a referendum in Serbia, it would definetly pass. Than we would have 9 countrys that practice it globaly and "legaly".

“For all the criticism for calling off the parade, I’d have been much more responsible if a single drop of blood had been shed. I could have said ‘have the meeting’ and then had a bloodbath,” said the minister

bloodbath,

This is very serious and it seems that Belgrade is in dire situation. I sugest that foreign embassies close down and move to safer place called Prishtina. It will be good for bussines+all Serbs will have to come to Kosova to get visas.

im sorry to say but the serbian police force is retarded in every sence of the word . the serb goverment needs to show these pathetic extremists and bigots who is boss ! we are in charge of this place not you ! every major city in the world has a gay parade its just the way it is , it make a city cosmopoliten and vibrant (im not gay either) serbia you need to grow up .

Troika Melb!
I am greek and living in Athens, but open to suggestions :)
I would move to Novi Sad, Nis or Banja Luka any time.

Anyways about your europe vs Europe, Afganistan minor detail, the sole reason for this mistake is that "a" is closer to key than "e". Your subconscience theory was a waste of time.

What is really peculiar, in the last 20-30 years at least in big cities in Greece, is that the more gays are increasing their presence the more normal people find themselves isolated and lonely.
(Pyrros, 22 September 2009 15:32)

And that is exactly what those financial circles behind gay parades want to achive.A sneaky destruction of our sociaties.Therefor earlier or later any tool to stop this plague will be justified.

SerbianKnight - Don't you think it is traumatizing for children (and adults for that matter) to live in fear? Don't you think that seeing bloody images of facist abuse and terror rendered on defenseless people is traumatizing?

Seeing what was done to foreigners in 3 seperate attacks this week is horrifying! How can the shooting of a UK person, the beating of several French people (one likely to death, or nearly to death), and the stalking and beating of an Aussie - NONE OF WHICH WERE HOMOSEXUAL - not be worse for children than living in a society that guarantees the saftey and freedom of a diversity of people?

It is up to parents to teach children their values. NOT the state!

If you don't want gay people in your home or church, that is up to you, but xenophobic violence is neither in accordance with the laws of a Christian God nor with the state that you proclaim to love so much.

And further, I am totally personally offended and disgusted by the mass numbers of straight couples that make out in public here - nearly having sex in broad daylight in Kallemegdan, on the streets and even openly in cafes! Seriously! I doubt that admitting the fact that gay people exist and allowing them a forum in which to speak is going to over-ride the constant stream of hetero "soft-core porn" I see on the streets of Belgrade every day. Despite accusations that homosexuals want to flaunt their sexuality, the only sexuality I see flaunted here is hard-core hetero!

Finally - the way that a few loud facist thugs have seized public space and have spoken for the country at large has enraged many average Serbian people - people who would NEVER have been in favor of PRIDE.

When walking the streets of Belgrade at night, which are you more afraid of? The thugs of Obraz, 1389, etc. or some gay person?

No one is asking every Serbian person to celebrate homosexuality. Just providing a safe space for free speech - even if sadly that means that Obraz, 1389, etc. also have a space to raise their voice. It is when people raise rocks and fists and inspire fear, violence and death that there is a problem.

I have no idea where people have gotten the information that Belgrade is safer than NYC, Amsterdam, etc. Perhaps in some ways it is, but in many other ways it is the scariest place I have ever lived.

OMG I can't believe some of the statements I'm reading.

'Normal' people in the west are lonely because of gay people?

People are lonely in the west because of the way of life and the stress involved in their jobs. They arrive home tired, eat their microwave meal, watch their plasma tv's and wonder if they will be the first generation of their family to be alone.

What the hell that has got to do with gays is beyond me. Some of you guys are completely foaming at the mouth.

Serbianknight MINORITY loudmouths, rent a mobs and hooligans have NO right to decide what happens in the country. Or rather they should not.

I wonder where is Kate, Jason and the other Serbophiles that always have a reason to justify Serbian behavour towards Albanians and those Serbs don't like. This time it seems like they do not have any justification reasons.

In the current case, it isn't the police force that is retard. It is the part of serbian society that is incapable of evolving or to show any capacity of tolerating anything that they don't like. The whole country suffers because of a bunch of funny people that are trying to show off. It is very patriotic! Stop Pride Parade! This 'nationalistic' part of the population! God I am almost rolling on the ground laughing just thinking how ignorants these 'nationalists' and 'patriots' are. You can call yourselves nationalists, but you can NOT call yourselves Patriots because Patriotism doesn't have anything to do with Destroying the country in which you live. Destroying Serbia is what you do. Everything you do is making this country look bad. It's a shame for this country.. you are a shame for this country..

I propose a similar "Pride" parade, but instead of dealing with gays, it should be held for normal heterosexual people who cannot find their match.
Let us make our societies friendlier and happier and i am sure even gays will fit into the general context as well.
Solving only problems of the gays (minority), will not solve the problems of the majority (normal people).

What is really peculiar, in the last 20-30 years at least in big cities in Greece, is that the more gays are increasing their presence the more normal people find themselves isolated and lonely.

If you claim that the Serbian society isn't ready for a Pride march, then THAT is exactly the reason why it should be held. Were the first Pride marches in the West the commonly accepted multimillion tourism venues they are today? Of course, not. Pride marches started the movement which changed lives of millions of people over the years. These marches were held BECAUSE there were problems, just like any other demonstration is held BECAUSE there are problems and not when "the society is ready for it". You seem to misunderstand the point of a Pride march completely.

Sweden is one of the few countries in the world whose goverment has included global rights of LGBT people in their programme. Therefore, it is completely self-evident that they would be an oasis of sanity and civilisation in midst of what still appears to be an Ottoman region and invite Pride organisers and some foreign guests to a reception. And no, those were not ALL the expected participants of the Pride march.

And no, Belgrade is not safer than New York or Amsterdam since there no hoards of brainless toilet-trained gorillas roaming their streets looking for victims!

Pyrros, what YOU write makes no sense. What you obviously don't understand is that a gay Pride parade is not for showing off sexuality or finding partners, especially as it was intended in Belgrade. It's a political manifestation whose objective is to say - WE EXIST and we are being harrased and discriminated against every single day and we want something to be done about it!

As for your belief that gay people aren't normal people, it only shows your own ignorance and prejudice.

@frans
European values and democracy?? I want to gag whenever I hear this.
We Serbs know very well about your 'European values'. How about Auschwitz, Jasenovac, German soldiers killing 100 Serbian civilians for every dead German soldier, bombing of Serbia for 78 days illegally (a war crime) based on pure lies and propoganda (like '100,00 dead albanians'), recognizing a fake state on Serbian soil run by terrorists and organ traffickers, sponsoring the complete ethnic cleansing of Serbs from croatia (pure genocide)? How about letting the Turks brutalize the Serbian population for nearly 500 years and Europe doin NOTHING about it? Even though we stopped them from expanding into western Europe.
We have seen your 'Europan values' that you speak of, and they make us sick.
Serbs have REAL values which Europe can learn from.
Cheers!!

Some people here state that Amsterdam, with legalised drugs, prostitution, gay marriages, and a registered party of rights for pedophiles in parliament, is a normal place, while Belgrade is not normal place...

Andrejs,
what you write make no sense.

I live in Belgrade and the citizens of Serbia think that the violence that happened on the streets a few days ago is terrible and that the state must deal with the ones who commited it immediately. We want a free country, not a country of violence, and we must fight for it.

"And what Ratko Mladic and Arkan Raznatovic troops did with civillian women, girls, Catholic Churches and Mosques in Bosnia between 1992 and 1996?
(Gossamer, 22 September 2009 22:52) "

Definitely less than what Gotovina and Naser Oric did to those 3,000 dead serbs around Srebrenica.

Anyway, i had a good laugh with the albanian who was comparing europe (Belgrade) with Afganistan (Pristina).
(Pyrros,

Your subconscience let you down buddy.

small e for europe aka... and big A for afganistan. :D

You know exectly were your place is.

funny how new york , sydney , london , paris , berlin , stockholm , auckland , san francisco , vancouver and every other major and important city in the world have pride parades ... is it also a coincedence our societys are forward thinking and prosperous , theres no shortage of jobs or money here ... how about belgrade ? obviously belgrade is still a village mentality and will continue to be until those in power stand up to bullys , hooligans and idiots .

I have nothing against people of Afghanistan. Indeed..., they are pretty modest and generous... I applauded this courageous decision.
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OK PRN, thanks for clarifying your position. Since you are relating Belgrade to Kabul, I now know you mean the people of Belgrade are modest, generous and courageous. Good to see a fellow citizen complimenting other citizens.

@Pyrros: The only one in this forum who makes sense is Andrej with his comment.He explain why there was the need (and now clearly is) the need for a parade. Better go back to school abd learn something about European values and democracy (Frans, 22 September 2009 16:45)

Frans,

Maybe It is rather you who should open a history book(and not those published by sorosian Central European University) and having read some you might realize that the radical liberalism whcih uses gay parades as tool is exactly something what is against millenium long european values.Pseudovalues you refer to have nothing to do with the word european.And current western type democracy is nothing else but dictatorship of endless stupidity.It si not the tail which should weg the dog.

Nearly all of the comments in this section (like most others on the english section of b92 news) are nonsense polemics which show a total disregard for the reality of the situation Serbia and the news coming from there.

It seems that most comments are written by dijaspora (both serbian and anti-serbian) and a few wierd foreigners who have warped Balkan fetishes and pander to their local nauxious nationalism of choice and dubious conspiracy theories.

Amongst the most significant of yesterday's news, "Initiative launched to outlaw extermist groups" wasn't commented on at all!

On the other hand the Serbian version of this news site has (mostly) articulate comments expresing a wide range of views, written by people who are aware of what is going on around them and are generally horrified. They are horrified because right wing violence is being directed indiscriminately towards huge segments of the population (roma, gay, non-seb, opposing football team - any group different to them!)

Serb speakers, please start reading your news in Serbian and take note of the comments.

Belgrade has become like Kabul.
(PRN, 22 September 2009 10:34)
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Afghanistan was first to recognise our ethnic Albanian citizen's illegal UDI. You and your ethnic group praised this country back then but why are you now comparing your capital to Kabul?

Dear Zoki,

I have nothing against people of Afghanistan. Indeed although poo, they are pretty modest and generous. BTW I thank them for recognising the democratic Republic of Kosova. I applauded this courageous decision.

As for the issue of my capital,... I have to in form you that I feel two capitals Prishtina and Tirana. Since the unification is in anything BUT in paper the former is losing significance.

As for Belgrade, once an important city of the Illyrian Kingdom, may well become important in Great Albanian Kingdom too.

Remember one thing, my fellow Illyrian land inhabitant,...HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

bganon,

by completely twisting what i wrote to make it sound irrational, you cant change the fact that those two situations (even if unrelated at the surface) INDEED happen in today's reality.
I dont say that the one causes the other (as you naively implied).
What i am saying is that, both two phenomena are part of the general world wide planning.

I just want a Serbia where I can love men and not ne attacked.

"one of the targets was a Swedish embassy where a reception had been laid on for the participants"

A foreign embassy to honor "minority" of the host country? If that is on their agenda of diplomatic activities and if they sympathize equally with all minorities, why not. Recently the Swedes had an excellent opportunity to show their solidarity with really needy minority.They could have laid a reception for Roma being relocated from under Gazela to better and healthier environment. The reason was much closer to the real life and a good occasion to celebrate it.
But they did not, to the best of my knowledge, my apology if I missed the news.

- "to provide security at the parade would have cost EUR 300 000"
A math question for a second-grader (if you'd dare):
If a person has a pension of EUR 1000 a year, how many years should he/she live to receive EUR 300 000?

And if the organizers of the parade cancelled it on their own, with,say, request that the said amt. be spent on helping some other minority, THAT would have been something to be PROUD of.

I think we should not be surprised that the ignorant have no idea what goes on in a Gay Pride Parade!

i'm shocked, why only swedish? are they the only occupiers of parts of south serbia ?

@ gossenamer

they protected our people on serbian land from Guss like you. otherwise the faith of serbs in this part of serbia would have been like those of serbs in greater-croatia or greater-albania. that you still feel bad about it, isn't important at all ...

I was in Belgrade on the weekend and the town was CRAWLING with homos! Guys in tight pink shirt, lots of hair gel, more cosmetics than women, wearing fake labels like D&G and Armani and carry those little black purses with the sling over the shoulder. And hanging out ONLY with other dudes, especially in Silicon Valley.--- Wait, its like that everyday here! Serbo "tough guys" are gayer than San Fran queens!

I bet the extremist that were arrested are having a "dandy" time in prison.

@Pyrros: The only one in this forum who makes sense is Andrej with his comment.He explain why there was the need (and now clearly is) the need for a parade. Better go back to school abd learn something about European values and democracy
@Fas, you wrote to keep historical tradition and not to give in to McDonalds etc. Strane, did you know that Belgrade/Serbia ahd the first McDonalds in the whole Balkans and surrounding? So what you really mean? I see Belgrade McDonalds full, every day!

LEE COLEMAN wrote:

@funny how new york,sidney, london, paris, berlin, stockholm, auckland, san francisco, vancouver and every major and important city in the world have pride parades.. there is no shortage of jobs or money here..."
Further:
"every major city in the world has a gay parade its just the way it is, it make a city cosmopoliten and vibrant..."
LEE COLEMAN, you are certainly not yet 10yrs old, since by that age kids learn that city and persons' names are written with a capital letter on the beginning. By that age kids learn to listen to or to read the news and think on their own, not to repeat some poorly made up fairy fairy propaganda tales.
God bless you child, I am afraid you are being manipulated and used by some dangerous characters. Cut all the ties with them ASAP and talk with your parents or teachers, if your parents are the source of such ideas.They can help you handle that, and if needed to engage the able police to protect you.
Wishing you all the best

“I and obviously majority of serbs, are never gonna be ‘ready’ for being raped and ripped of our culture and traditions.”

And what Ratko Mladic and Arkan Raznatovic troops did with civillian women, girls, Catholic Churches and Mosques in Bosnia between 1992 and 1996?

For once i agree (here) with my former otpor colleague bganon. i am always accused (by the other side) of being "so angry" and let's face it, there are so many things we SHOULD be angry about on this site. But i also try to have something positive with most comments, something that strikes me as smart, as articulate, as unique, as (perhaps) unusually or uncharacteristically compassionate. i suggest that some others, so full of venom and prejudices, try to find some positives where normally they never stop railing.

back to the article: the fact that thousands of belgraders were ready to explode and riot (at the gays -- at the foreigners) -- is that somehow supposed to make us feel better? is the blgd regime helpless in the face of this HATE fest, or are they largely responsible for such a predicament? that is the question.

roberto
frisco

@Dragan. You obviously live, like all those nationalists in your country, in the past. A typical Serbian mentality. We are here not talking what happened in 1389. We live in 2009! Democracy and Western European values are prooven to be successful and that is why we live in prosperous countries unlike the Balkans where people live in a basic, taditional way where old cultures are more valued then progressive new styles and where fnacially nothing is achieved the last 60 years. It is time for you and many ohers to forget traditions. People who have tradition high in their minds block every step towrds modernity. You obviously only listen to classical or national music? (Stari Gradski?) And for all others who are so much against homo-sexuality and the gay pride: Why was it that there were hundreds of thousands welcoming 2 years ago the female Serbian winner from the European Songcontest on the streets in Belgrade and why was it that even then the "famous" hooligans from Partizan and Red Star were standing first row? Or are only winners celebrated in Serbia? That shows once more that a gay prid is highly needed to support minoriies, not to support your hooligans who are destroying all (be it a little) the good what was build the last ten years.
@all Kosovo fans: please stop the ignorant and idiot remarks about the gay-pride in Belgrade. First try to behave yourself and remember, Kosovo je Srbia!

Serbian knights wrote this,
As for the Australian, if he was minding his own business, nothing would have happened to him, instead he came to Serbia for corrupted reasons, and if that is the case he got no less then what he deserved.

What stuff have you been smoking? The Australian guy came to Serbia for a friend's wedding. Now if you regard this as a corrupt reason then you are truly uninformed.

So how do you know why he was bashed? Were you there?
We don't need Serbs like you to blacken our reputation around the world even further. I hope you stay away from such ridiculous comments in the future.

I wish to congratulate authorities in Serbia for banning the spectacle of immoral and sick individuals. Children could have been traumatised for life seeing half naked loons running amock on the streets. We do not need Belgrade to turn into Sodoma and Gomora like in the decadent western society.

Attacks on Britain, French, Australian and now of Swedish citizens. No end in sight...tradition continues.

Belgrade has become like Kabul.

No wonder Mladic feels extremely safe over there.

“For all the criticism for calling off the parade, I’d have been much more responsible if a single drop of blood had been shed. I could have said ‘have the meeting’ and then had a bloodbath,” said the minister

bloodbath,

This is very serious and it seems that Belgrade is in dire situation. I sugest that foreign embassies close down and move to safer place called Prishtina. It will be good for bussines+all Serbs will have to come to Kosova to get visas.

im sorry to say but the serbian police force is retarded in every sence of the word . the serb goverment needs to show these pathetic extremists and bigots who is boss ! we are in charge of this place not you ! every major city in the world has a gay parade its just the way it is , it make a city cosmopoliten and vibrant (im not gay either) serbia you need to grow up .

If you claim that the Serbian society isn't ready for a Pride march, then THAT is exactly the reason why it should be held. Were the first Pride marches in the West the commonly accepted multimillion tourism venues they are today? Of course, not. Pride marches started the movement which changed lives of millions of people over the years. These marches were held BECAUSE there were problems, just like any other demonstration is held BECAUSE there are problems and not when "the society is ready for it". You seem to misunderstand the point of a Pride march completely.

Sweden is one of the few countries in the world whose goverment has included global rights of LGBT people in their programme. Therefore, it is completely self-evident that they would be an oasis of sanity and civilisation in midst of what still appears to be an Ottoman region and invite Pride organisers and some foreign guests to a reception. And no, those were not ALL the expected participants of the Pride march.

And no, Belgrade is not safer than New York or Amsterdam since there no hoards of brainless toilet-trained gorillas roaming their streets looking for victims!

Belgrade has become like Kabul.
(PRN, 22 September 2009 10:34)
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Afghanistan was first to recognise our ethnic Albanian citizen's illegal UDI. You and your ethnic group praised this country back then but why are you now comparing your capital to Kabul?

Dear Zoki,

I have nothing against people of Afghanistan. Indeed although poo, they are pretty modest and generous. BTW I thank them for recognising the democratic Republic of Kosova. I applauded this courageous decision.

As for the issue of my capital,... I have to in form you that I feel two capitals Prishtina and Tirana. Since the unification is in anything BUT in paper the former is losing significance.

As for Belgrade, once an important city of the Illyrian Kingdom, may well become important in Great Albanian Kingdom too.

Remember one thing, my fellow Illyrian land inhabitant,...HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

The gay parade is a stupid idea and has caused nothing but aggravation and raising tension.

It is obviously too costly and Serbia should be spending the money for the refugees and repairing of NATO bomb damage - which it still has.

The "gay parades" were a product of the liberal west and if they don't suit other countries then those other countries shouldn't be forced or pressured to have them.

For once i agree (here) with my former otpor colleague bganon. i am always accused (by the other side) of being "so angry" and let's face it, there are so many things we SHOULD be angry about on this site. But i also try to have something positive with most comments, something that strikes me as smart, as articulate, as unique, as (perhaps) unusually or uncharacteristically compassionate. i suggest that some others, so full of venom and prejudices, try to find some positives where normally they never stop railing.

back to the article: the fact that thousands of belgraders were ready to explode and riot (at the gays -- at the foreigners) -- is that somehow supposed to make us feel better? is the blgd regime helpless in the face of this HATE fest, or are they largely responsible for such a predicament? that is the question.

roberto
frisco

Anyway, i had a good laugh with the albanian who was comparing europe (Belgrade) with Afganistan (Pristina).
(Pyrros,

Your subconscience let you down buddy.

small e for europe aka... and big A for afganistan. :D

You know exectly were your place is.

I wonder where is Kate, Jason and the other Serbophiles that always have a reason to justify Serbian behavour towards Albanians and those Serbs don't like. This time it seems like they do not have any justification reasons.

“One of the targets was the Swedish embassy, where a reception had been laid on for the participants.”

This statement is very revealing. Firstly, for the Swedish embassy to host a reception for the participants indicates that the number expected at the Parade was very few, perhaps no more than a few dozen. Secondly, why would the Swedish embassy have anything to do with the Parade at all? It is hardly a Swedish cultural event. This Parade was clearly organised and financed by foreign embassies (not only Sweden’s). One can speculate as to the true purpose of the Parade, but one thing is obvious, it was not organised by or for the few practising homosexuals in Serbia. And far from promoting greater tolerance of alternative lifestyles, the Parade has hardened attitudes and made the lives of Serbia’s homosexuals more problematic than previously.

PRIDE PARADE was yesterday when Serbian national basketball team returned to Belgrade with a silver medal from European Championship in Poland.

Minority sodomites have no right to terrorize the MAJORITY of normal citizens of Serbia. Cancelation is a great victory which shows that Serbia is still a healthy nation and state, despite the subversive efforts of so called "non-governmental organisations" financed from abroad.

As for the Australian, if he was minding his own business, nothing would have happened to him, instead he came to Serbia for corrupted reasons, and if that is the case he got no less then what he deserved.

@USAKosovo

When Serbs go to Pristina to albanian hospitals for healthcare or attend albanian universities for education then I would be very worried.

“I and obviously majority of serbs, are never gonna be ‘ready’ for being raped and ripped of our culture and traditions.”

And what Ratko Mladic and Arkan Raznatovic troops did with civillian women, girls, Catholic Churches and Mosques in Bosnia between 1992 and 1996?

"but it seems most of Serbia's citizens are just not ready for it."

When Serbia is "ready" for having it´s streets occupied by half naked perverts imposing their and their pay masters agenda, then there is no Serbia to talk about.

I am truly glad to see that moral and true christian values has survived here. I and obviously majority of serbs, are never gonna be "ready" for being raped and ripped of our culture and traditions. serbia is Serbia, not Mcdonalds/Hollywoodland

In the current case, it isn't the police force that is retard. It is the part of serbian society that is incapable of evolving or to show any capacity of tolerating anything that they don't like. The whole country suffers because of a bunch of funny people that are trying to show off. It is very patriotic! Stop Pride Parade! This 'nationalistic' part of the population! God I am almost rolling on the ground laughing just thinking how ignorants these 'nationalists' and 'patriots' are. You can call yourselves nationalists, but you can NOT call yourselves Patriots because Patriotism doesn't have anything to do with Destroying the country in which you live. Destroying Serbia is what you do. Everything you do is making this country look bad. It's a shame for this country.. you are a shame for this country..

I propose a similar "Pride" parade, but instead of dealing with gays, it should be held for normal heterosexual people who cannot find their match.
Let us make our societies friendlier and happier and i am sure even gays will fit into the general context as well.
Solving only problems of the gays (minority), will not solve the problems of the majority (normal people).

What is really peculiar, in the last 20-30 years at least in big cities in Greece, is that the more gays are increasing their presence the more normal people find themselves isolated and lonely.

@Pyrros: The only one in this forum who makes sense is Andrej with his comment.He explain why there was the need (and now clearly is) the need for a parade. Better go back to school abd learn something about European values and democracy
@Fas, you wrote to keep historical tradition and not to give in to McDonalds etc. Strane, did you know that Belgrade/Serbia ahd the first McDonalds in the whole Balkans and surrounding? So what you really mean? I see Belgrade McDonalds full, every day!

I wonder where is Kate, Jason and the other Serbophiles that always have a reason to justify Serbian behavour towards Albanians and those Serbs don't like. This time it seems like they do not have any justification reasons.
(A, 22 September 2009 12:23)

No, genius, we don't have to comment because Serbs themselves actually condemn this awful behavior unlike many Albanian nationalists who never admit doing anything wrong nor do they ever take action against their own criminals. Nice try though...

Pyrros, what YOU write makes no sense. What you obviously don't understand is that a gay Pride parade is not for showing off sexuality or finding partners, especially as it was intended in Belgrade. It's a political manifestation whose objective is to say - WE EXIST and we are being harrased and discriminated against every single day and we want something to be done about it!

As for your belief that gay people aren't normal people, it only shows your own ignorance and prejudice.

“An Australian national was attacked, and the suspicion is he was attacked because the attackers thought he’d come for the parade”.
This poor man was attacked only because the attackers thought he’d come for the parade, now imagine what would have happened if the parade really took place?!
This isn’t how “the most tolerant society”, as some have been portraying it in this forum, should be looking like. Anyway, I hope these “criminal groups” will get what they deserve.

Andrejs,
what you write make no sense.

“The police even found stones hidden in manholes"

This never gets old.

I am 100% sure that if public stoning (as state punishment)
were to be in a referendum in Serbia, it would definetly pass. Than we would have 9 countrys that practice it globaly and "legaly".

Yesterday i was watching "veliki brat".
The occasions the word "gay" was pronounced were countless.

Anyway, i had a good laugh with the albanian who was comparing europe (Belgrade) with Afganistan (Pristina).

What is really peculiar, in the last 20-30 years at least in big cities in Greece, is that the more gays are increasing their presence the more normal people find themselves isolated and lonely.
(Pyrros, 22 September 2009 15:32)

And that is exactly what those financial circles behind gay parades want to achive.A sneaky destruction of our sociaties.Therefor earlier or later any tool to stop this plague will be justified.

"I sugest that foreign embassies close down and move to safer place called Prishtina"
kosovo-usa

Yeah they will certainly listen to you! Out of the 60 countries that recognized Kosovo independence only 7 have opened and embassy in Kosovo. That's how safe Kosovo is and that's how much they believe in the banana rupublic of Kosovo.

"Kosovo Police could confirm that burglaries and robberies were on the up."
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/21153/

Despite the resent incidents in Belgrade its way safer than London, Paris, Amsterdam and New York.

Albanians shoulnd't be so jelous of Serbias progress and Albanias failure. Put as much energy in making your own lives well rather then complaining at someone elses. No wonder you haven't achieved anything.
The reason that crime is not higher in Kosovo is because Albanians have exported their criminals to the rest of the world. All eurpean countris that recognized Kosovo did so to return the hundreds of thousands of albanian criminals to Kosovo. Kosovo is a huge prison.

The reason that crime is not higher in Kosovo is because Albanians have exported their criminals to the rest of the world. All eurpean countris that recognized Kosovo did so to return the hundreds of thousands of albanian criminals to Kosovo. Kosovo is a huge prison.
(MikeC, 22 September 2009 13:27)

There is much more crime in Kosovo than is reported, MikeC. Working here one can see a volume of daily crimes that is either not reported to the media, or the media simply does not print - all to paint a nicer picture than is reality.

@frans
European values and democracy?? I want to gag whenever I hear this.
We Serbs know very well about your 'European values'. How about Auschwitz, Jasenovac, German soldiers killing 100 Serbian civilians for every dead German soldier, bombing of Serbia for 78 days illegally (a war crime) based on pure lies and propoganda (like '100,00 dead albanians'), recognizing a fake state on Serbian soil run by terrorists and organ traffickers, sponsoring the complete ethnic cleansing of Serbs from croatia (pure genocide)? How about letting the Turks brutalize the Serbian population for nearly 500 years and Europe doin NOTHING about it? Even though we stopped them from expanding into western Europe.
We have seen your 'Europan values' that you speak of, and they make us sick.
Serbs have REAL values which Europe can learn from.
Cheers!!

The reason it was cancelled was because 10,000 gay guys from albania were taking part. I thinking cancelling an albanian gay pride parade in Belgrade was prudent as they should march in Tirana.

Troika Melb!
I am greek and living in Athens, but open to suggestions :)
I would move to Novi Sad, Nis or Banja Luka any time.

Anyways about your europe vs Europe, Afganistan minor detail, the sole reason for this mistake is that "a" is closer to key than "e". Your subconscience theory was a waste of time.

If you want your gay marriage recognised you can always move to Albania, they are about to legalize it. The prime minister announced it not long ago. Enjoy Albania my gay friends.

funny how new york , sydney , london , paris , berlin , stockholm , auckland , san francisco , vancouver and every other major and important city in the world have pride parades ... is it also a coincedence our societys are forward thinking and prosperous , theres no shortage of jobs or money here ... how about belgrade ? obviously belgrade is still a village mentality and will continue to be until those in power stand up to bullys , hooligans and idiots .

It's good to see our ethnic Albanian citizens debating issues occuring in their capital and important to Serbia. I can't really hear too many voices justifying these crimes but there is a lot of debate going on regarding the pride march.

This is a sensitive issue to many Serbians. On the street many people have expressed their opinion to me and most seem to be against it. Personally I don't have any issues with a pride march but it seems most of Serbia's citizens are just not ready for it. Something like this is going to need more time and we shouldn't force something onto people that is difficult to swallow.

These issues were not accepted overnight in many Western countries and even in some part of those countries, it still isn't. As for some of the comments coming from our ethnic Albanian citizens, when I see a successful pride march in Pristina I might take note of your comments.

What a world when Dacic comes off looking rational.

Hey Kosova-USA - can you just leave this forum? I'm sick of reading how everything relates to Pristina or whatever the hell you're talking about. Whatever point you're trying to make, we get it.

Some people here state that Amsterdam, with legalised drugs, prostitution, gay marriages, and a registered party of rights for pedophiles in parliament, is a normal place, while Belgrade is not normal place...

Why is it that every news item from Serbia becomes related to the Kosovo issue then degenerates into a Serb hate-fest by Albanian posters?

News: Gay pride parade cancelled in Beograd. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

News: Serbia wins silver at European basketball championships. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

News: Croatian doctor refuses Serbian patient. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

News: JAT to buy planes from Boeing. . .

Albanian posters: Serbs are evil.

What is the matter with you people?

Why the obsession with all things Serbian? You don't see us Serbs on Albanian websites spouting such hatred?

Here's a suggestion. . .shut the computer off, take a deep breathe and relax.

I was in Belgrade on the weekend and the town was CRAWLING with homos! Guys in tight pink shirt, lots of hair gel, more cosmetics than women, wearing fake labels like D&G and Armani and carry those little black purses with the sling over the shoulder. And hanging out ONLY with other dudes, especially in Silicon Valley.--- Wait, its like that everyday here! Serbo "tough guys" are gayer than San Fran queens!

I bet the extremist that were arrested are having a "dandy" time in prison.

I think we should not be surprised that the ignorant have no idea what goes on in a Gay Pride Parade!

SerbianKnight - Don't you think it is traumatizing for children (and adults for that matter) to live in fear? Don't you think that seeing bloody images of facist abuse and terror rendered on defenseless people is traumatizing?

Seeing what was done to foreigners in 3 seperate attacks this week is horrifying! How can the shooting of a UK person, the beating of several French people (one likely to death, or nearly to death), and the stalking and beating of an Aussie - NONE OF WHICH WERE HOMOSEXUAL - not be worse for children than living in a society that guarantees the saftey and freedom of a diversity of people?

It is up to parents to teach children their values. NOT the state!

If you don't want gay people in your home or church, that is up to you, but xenophobic violence is neither in accordance with the laws of a Christian God nor with the state that you proclaim to love so much.

And further, I am totally personally offended and disgusted by the mass numbers of straight couples that make out in public here - nearly having sex in broad daylight in Kallemegdan, on the streets and even openly in cafes! Seriously! I doubt that admitting the fact that gay people exist and allowing them a forum in which to speak is going to over-ride the constant stream of hetero "soft-core porn" I see on the streets of Belgrade every day. Despite accusations that homosexuals want to flaunt their sexuality, the only sexuality I see flaunted here is hard-core hetero!

Finally - the way that a few loud facist thugs have seized public space and have spoken for the country at large has enraged many average Serbian people - people who would NEVER have been in favor of PRIDE.

When walking the streets of Belgrade at night, which are you more afraid of? The thugs of Obraz, 1389, etc. or some gay person?

No one is asking every Serbian person to celebrate homosexuality. Just providing a safe space for free speech - even if sadly that means that Obraz, 1389, etc. also have a space to raise their voice. It is when people raise rocks and fists and inspire fear, violence and death that there is a problem.

I have no idea where people have gotten the information that Belgrade is safer than NYC, Amsterdam, etc. Perhaps in some ways it is, but in many other ways it is the scariest place I have ever lived.

@Dragan. You obviously live, like all those nationalists in your country, in the past. A typical Serbian mentality. We are here not talking what happened in 1389. We live in 2009! Democracy and Western European values are prooven to be successful and that is why we live in prosperous countries unlike the Balkans where people live in a basic, taditional way where old cultures are more valued then progressive new styles and where fnacially nothing is achieved the last 60 years. It is time for you and many ohers to forget traditions. People who have tradition high in their minds block every step towrds modernity. You obviously only listen to classical or national music? (Stari Gradski?) And for all others who are so much against homo-sexuality and the gay pride: Why was it that there were hundreds of thousands welcoming 2 years ago the female Serbian winner from the European Songcontest on the streets in Belgrade and why was it that even then the "famous" hooligans from Partizan and Red Star were standing first row? Or are only winners celebrated in Serbia? That shows once more that a gay prid is highly needed to support minoriies, not to support your hooligans who are destroying all (be it a little) the good what was build the last ten years.
@all Kosovo fans: please stop the ignorant and idiot remarks about the gay-pride in Belgrade. First try to behave yourself and remember, Kosovo je Srbia!

"And what Ratko Mladic and Arkan Raznatovic troops did with civillian women, girls, Catholic Churches and Mosques in Bosnia between 1992 and 1996?
(Gossamer, 22 September 2009 22:52) "

Definitely less than what Gotovina and Naser Oric did to those 3,000 dead serbs around Srebrenica.

Nearly all of the comments in this section (like most others on the english section of b92 news) are nonsense polemics which show a total disregard for the reality of the situation Serbia and the news coming from there.

It seems that most comments are written by dijaspora (both serbian and anti-serbian) and a few wierd foreigners who have warped Balkan fetishes and pander to their local nauxious nationalism of choice and dubious conspiracy theories.

Amongst the most significant of yesterday's news, "Initiative launched to outlaw extermist groups" wasn't commented on at all!

On the other hand the Serbian version of this news site has (mostly) articulate comments expresing a wide range of views, written by people who are aware of what is going on around them and are generally horrified. They are horrified because right wing violence is being directed indiscriminately towards huge segments of the population (roma, gay, non-seb, opposing football team - any group different to them!)

Serb speakers, please start reading your news in Serbian and take note of the comments.

OMG I can't believe some of the statements I'm reading.

'Normal' people in the west are lonely because of gay people?

People are lonely in the west because of the way of life and the stress involved in their jobs. They arrive home tired, eat their microwave meal, watch their plasma tv's and wonder if they will be the first generation of their family to be alone.

What the hell that has got to do with gays is beyond me. Some of you guys are completely foaming at the mouth.

Serbianknight MINORITY loudmouths, rent a mobs and hooligans have NO right to decide what happens in the country. Or rather they should not.

I just want a Serbia where I can love men and not ne attacked.

Belgrade has become like Kabul.
(PRN, 22 September 2009 10:34)
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Afghanistan was first to recognise our ethnic Albanian citizen's illegal UDI. You and your ethnic group praised this country back then but why are you now comparing your capital to Kabul?

@Pyrros: The only one in this forum who makes sense is Andrej with his comment.He explain why there was the need (and now clearly is) the need for a parade. Better go back to school abd learn something about European values and democracy (Frans, 22 September 2009 16:45)

Frans,

Maybe It is rather you who should open a history book(and not those published by sorosian Central European University) and having read some you might realize that the radical liberalism whcih uses gay parades as tool is exactly something what is against millenium long european values.Pseudovalues you refer to have nothing to do with the word european.And current western type democracy is nothing else but dictatorship of endless stupidity.It si not the tail which should weg the dog.

I have nothing against people of Afghanistan. Indeed..., they are pretty modest and generous... I applauded this courageous decision.
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OK PRN, thanks for clarifying your position. Since you are relating Belgrade to Kabul, I now know you mean the people of Belgrade are modest, generous and courageous. Good to see a fellow citizen complimenting other citizens.

bganon,

by completely twisting what i wrote to make it sound irrational, you cant change the fact that those two situations (even if unrelated at the surface) INDEED happen in today's reality.
I dont say that the one causes the other (as you naively implied).
What i am saying is that, both two phenomena are part of the general world wide planning.

LEE COLEMAN wrote:

@funny how new york,sidney, london, paris, berlin, stockholm, auckland, san francisco, vancouver and every major and important city in the world have pride parades.. there is no shortage of jobs or money here..."
Further:
"every major city in the world has a gay parade its just the way it is, it make a city cosmopoliten and vibrant..."
LEE COLEMAN, you are certainly not yet 10yrs old, since by that age kids learn that city and persons' names are written with a capital letter on the beginning. By that age kids learn to listen to or to read the news and think on their own, not to repeat some poorly made up fairy fairy propaganda tales.
God bless you child, I am afraid you are being manipulated and used by some dangerous characters. Cut all the ties with them ASAP and talk with your parents or teachers, if your parents are the source of such ideas.They can help you handle that, and if needed to engage the able police to protect you.
Wishing you all the best

"one of the targets was a Swedish embassy where a reception had been laid on for the participants"

A foreign embassy to honor "minority" of the host country? If that is on their agenda of diplomatic activities and if they sympathize equally with all minorities, why not. Recently the Swedes had an excellent opportunity to show their solidarity with really needy minority.They could have laid a reception for Roma being relocated from under Gazela to better and healthier environment. The reason was much closer to the real life and a good occasion to celebrate it.
But they did not, to the best of my knowledge, my apology if I missed the news.

- "to provide security at the parade would have cost EUR 300 000"
A math question for a second-grader (if you'd dare):
If a person has a pension of EUR 1000 a year, how many years should he/she live to receive EUR 300 000?

And if the organizers of the parade cancelled it on their own, with,say, request that the said amt. be spent on helping some other minority, THAT would have been something to be PROUD of.

I live in Belgrade and the citizens of Serbia think that the violence that happened on the streets a few days ago is terrible and that the state must deal with the ones who commited it immediately. We want a free country, not a country of violence, and we must fight for it.

i'm shocked, why only swedish? are they the only occupiers of parts of south serbia ?

@ gossenamer

they protected our people on serbian land from Guss like you. otherwise the faith of serbs in this part of serbia would have been like those of serbs in greater-croatia or greater-albania. that you still feel bad about it, isn't important at all ...

Serbian knights wrote this,
As for the Australian, if he was minding his own business, nothing would have happened to him, instead he came to Serbia for corrupted reasons, and if that is the case he got no less then what he deserved.

What stuff have you been smoking? The Australian guy came to Serbia for a friend's wedding. Now if you regard this as a corrupt reason then you are truly uninformed.

So how do you know why he was bashed? Were you there?
We don't need Serbs like you to blacken our reputation around the world even further. I hope you stay away from such ridiculous comments in the future.